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  1. 01:04:41 <BoneLorde> CSM don't get easier to hit
  2. 01:04:42 <Werix> so yeah, as an astartes, I get no negatives for being sneak marine
  3. 01:04:53 <@Viva_Miriya> you do
  4. 01:04:55 <BoneLorde> but they're still one size larger thatn humans otherwise
  5. 01:04:55 <@Viva_Miriya> technically
  6. 01:04:57 <@Viva_Miriya> -10 for Stealth
  7. 01:05:05 <@frajaq> vermintide http://i.imgur.com/cD3A0SF.jpg
  8. 01:05:12 <@Viva_Miriya> cause of size
  9. 01:05:26 <BoneLorde> what the fuck frajaq
  10. 01:05:40 <@frajaq> thats vermintide gameplay
  11. 01:05:47 <Tran> frajaq, That's someone's very poorly drawn fetish.
  12. 01:05:54 <Dachshundofdoom> can't it be both
  13. 01:06:12 <@frajaq> its a metaphor about how the elf is treated in the group
  14. 01:06:17 <Werix> nothing in the power armor entry says -10 to stealth
  15. 01:06:31 <BoneLorde> yes but CSM are still one size larger
  16. 01:06:37 <Dachshundofdoom> the black carapace specifically only eliminates the penalty to be hit
  17. 01:06:38 <BoneLorde> which penalises stealth by -10
  18. 01:06:46 <Dachshundofdoom> you are both less stealthy and get +1 AB
  19. 01:06:50 <DeathSandwich> Werix, it's not the power armor that does it, it's the huge siz
  20. 01:06:52 <DeathSandwich> e
  21. 01:07:06 <Dachshundofdoom> you'ze a biggun, you just move naturally enough in power armor that it's hard to hit you
  22. 01:07:30 <DeathSandwich> CSMs aren't easier to hit due to size, but they still take a penalty to stealth
  23. 01:07:58 <@Viva_Miriya> if we went to deathwatch
  24. 01:08:00 <DeathSandwich> That's not to say you can't be a sneak marine, you just need to keep that in mind and use a chameleoline cloak or whatever it's called
  25. 01:08:05 <Werix> then where does it say space marines are naturally one size larger
  26. 01:08:06 <@Viva_Miriya> Astartes Power Armour gives a -20 to stealth and shit
  27. 01:08:09 <@Viva_Miriya> ummmm
  28. 01:08:14 <Dachshundofdoom> no Werix, it's the armor doing that
  29. 01:08:16 <@Viva_Miriya> its not naturally its cause of armor
  30. 01:08:18 <Waci> Werix: your amrour makes you one size larger
  31. 01:08:24 <FireSight> http://i.imgur.com/qnzxz8m.gifv
  32. 01:08:27 <Dachshundofdoom> it increases your size, which has penalties and bonuses
  33. 01:08:36 <Werix> no it doesnt
  34. 01:08:38 <Dachshundofdoom> black carapace only ignores the to-be-hit penalty of size up
  35. 01:08:42 <@Viva_Miriya> Yeah it does
  36. 01:09:04 <Werix> page 175
  37. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> Power armour adds +20 to the
  38. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> wearer’s Strength characteristic and
  39. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> increases his size by one step (for
  40. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> example a human who is average size
  41. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> would become hulking). Note that
  42. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> Chaos Space Marines possess the
  43. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> Black Carapace, meaning they do not
  44. 01:09:20 <@Viva_Miriya> count their size as one step higher.
  45. 01:09:29 <@Viva_Miriya> hmm weird
  46. 01:09:32 <Dachshundofdoom> although a Space Marine in power armour has the Size (Hulking) Trait, his enemies gain no bonus to hit him thanks to the Black Carapace.
  47. 01:09:40 <Dachshundofdoom> oh, okay, it's FFG being contradictory dipshits again
  48. 01:09:45 <@frajaq> ^
  49. 01:09:54 <@Viva_Miriya> yeah FFG does that shit
  50. 01:09:54 <Dachshundofdoom> because I took that from the black carapace entry for the space marine race at the front
  51. 01:09:55 <@Viva_Miriya> all the time
  52. 01:10:00 <@Viva_Miriya> pg 48 has CSM implants
  53. 01:10:07 <@Viva_Miriya> if you want another refernece, Deathwatch has it as well
  54. 01:10:13 <@Viva_Miriya> which is SPACE MARINES THE GAME
  55. 01:10:20 <Dachshundofdoom> I mean the books mention that power armor kinda hums even when it's not moving, so it makes sense
  56. 01:10:32 <Dachshundofdoom> and you can't deny that space marines in armor are goddamn huge
  57. 01:10:45 <wilpo> so the black carapace means that your power armour gets smaller
  58. 01:10:47 <wilpo> ??
  59. 01:10:49 <@Viva_Miriya> lmao willus
  60. 01:10:50 <Waci> this was erratad
  61. 01:10:51 <Tran> While I don't benefit either way, I'd personally be inclined to go with the "you don't give up a penalty, but you're still a fridge" interpretation.
  62. 01:10:51 <Waci> Power Armour (Legion and Human) (page 175): Replace the subsection about Strength benefits beginning with “Power armour adds +20 to the wearer’s Strength...” with “Power armour adds +20 to the wearer’s Strength Characteristic and increases his size by one step (for example a human who is Average Size would become Hulking). Note that Chaos Space Marines possess the Black Carapace, meaning that while they still count their Size as one
  63. 01:11:04 <DeathSandwich> Check out the description of the Black Carapace on page 49
  64. 01:11:07 <Tran> Ahh, good.
  65. 01:11:07 <Dachshundofdoom> oh, right, the errata
  66. 01:11:13 <BoneLorde> one what ??? ?
  67. 01:11:18 <Werix> fucking errata
  68. 01:11:25 <Werix> well that fucks my whole character concept.
  69. 01:11:27 <Tran> So errata says "still fridge sized, but agile fridge sized" is correct.
  70. 01:11:32 ⇐ FireSight quit (FireSight@synIRC-AE650A70.dhcp.prtv.ca.charter.com)
  71. 01:11:33 <Werix> I'm dropping out of the game
  72. 01:11:37 <@frajaq> lol
  73. 01:11:38 <@Viva_Miriya> DUDE
  74. 01:11:41 <Dachshundofdoom> might as well kill yourself IRL, yep
  75. 01:11:41 <@Viva_Miriya> we can just tweak your PA
  76. 01:11:42 <@frajaq> just ask for waci to
  77. 01:11:44 <@Viva_Miriya> lmao
  78. 01:11:47 <Dachshundofdoom> nowhere to go but down
  79. 01:11:49 <@frajaq> do help you out
  80. 01:12:02 <Werix> there is FFG's shitty rules writing ruining another game
  81. 01:12:05 <@frajaq> and change the rules dunno
  82. 01:12:14 <Werix> it's been funn your crazy bastards.
  83. 01:12:25 <@Viva_Miriya> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW
  84. 01:12:27 <@Viva_Miriya> Werix
  85. 01:12:31 <Werix> enjoy getting sand in all your cracks without me
  86. 01:12:32 <DeathSandwich> I mean, it's just a -10 to stealth
  87. 01:12:34 <@frajaq> dont do et
  88. 01:12:39 <@Viva_Miriya> you act like you don't have the most accommodating GM in the room
  89. 01:12:43 ⇐ Werix quit (~werix@synIRC-52115000.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit: Leaving
  90. 01:12:44 <Dachshundofdoom> guys I don't think he's completely serious
  91. 01:12:44 <@Viva_Miriya> running your game
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