Sockdolager & Double-Decker Dylan

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Double-Decker Dylan - 11/22/2017
All good!

November 29, 2017
Sockdolager - Today at 4:44 AM
need to talk to you and the virg kids when you get a chance

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:44 AM
Away from my computer, on my phone. Wazzup.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:46 AM
np...nothing urgent...just wanna set up a talk with you guys and get on the same page...its time to start wrecking kids

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:46 AM
KK. Moebius has stopped playing.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:46 AM
I know

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:46 AM
Ruenkiller has been talking about quitting.
Not sure how much interest he still has.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:47 AM
Cuz no one is doing anything and Alie would rather run dungeons and build towers than fight
I've had 3 sieges set up for 2 weeks and been told to wait

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:48 AM
Not sure if you were there at the PYRE defense siege.
But we went twice, first time got wiped as no one was calling stuff. Just dead silent comms, and poor coordination.
Second time we went back, we tried out split comms idea.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:48 AM
I was there for the second half

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:48 AM
And wiped DRED / ID twice.
Ah okay.
Apparently a lot of people took offense to the split-comms. Saying we were being elitist and trying to get away from 'shit-tiers'.
Even though prior to the fight, I had asked for volunteers.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:50 AM
Problem was Eladriel coming in a telling everyone how horrible they were and how awesome you guys were.

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:50 AM
Lol.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:50 AM
I didn't understand the split coms, but do a bit more now after hearing the whole story.  One thing we have to be aware of though is that communication is important

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:51 AM
Yeah, there obviously could be better relays.
We tried our best, but it still didn't help much.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:51 AM
PYRE was trying to join our coms and we kind of left 'em hanging
think that was part of the problem
We have 5 groups were dealing with.  PYRE pvpers, PYRE tagalongs, RPK pvpers, RPK freeloaders, and the SEXY/NSFW/FALL/Half the Server group

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:54 AM
I'm half PvP'er half freeloader. As I don't contribute resources at all.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:54 AM
reading freeloader the wrong way
we have a lot of guys that don't pvp
not really

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:54 AM
Ah.

Sockdolager - Today at 4:55 AM
We really need some leadership in pvp
alie can't
i'm usually busy with logistics or i'd be more in the fight
and some people are fuckin awful at it and try anyway
Your group is good with your group
What we need is our freeloaders to properly back up you guys
PvPers leading the fight and a good group of support behind
most our big fight our non-pvpers don't know how to support and stick together

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 4:59 AM
I'll be honest, as not to just blow smoke up your ass or anything. We've talked about that for the past few days, at least between those who are more PvP oriented. A lot of us aren't comfortable with leading comms. because more often then not it makes no difference.
If I was to make some changes, like serious changes.. I would try the role-approach. Instead of people trying to play what they think might be best for themselves.

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:00 AM
Er, for example.
When we did the split-comms thing. Every one had a purpose. Depending on our gear, set-up (Both tier and weight, etc.) we deemed who would do what.
We stuck to it through out the fight, and every thing went well on our end.
I believe with the RPK group. There is a few issues.
1. People are either are extremely aggressive, or under aggressive and crumple under pressure.
2. Warriors running BEHIND mages - which ruins the tactic of line fighting.
3. Using incredibly horrible set-ups. (We don't need a dual-dagger user in a big group fight, especially one that can't weakspot or even runs  a certain speed)
Just some other stuff as well. But a lot of that comes with hammering people for their choices, which in turn usually starts drama.
Which is kind of annoying to deal with.
Also, it's very hard to gain field experience during a war.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:03 AM
Yup...Welcome to leadership :smiley:

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:03 AM
And practice doesn't really leave lasting impressions unlike a full-risk battle.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:03 AM
War makes bad pvpers
on the other hand...people just need to be given jobs, given roles, told what to do
it takes a bit of time, but it helps them and helps you in the end
if you know someone is incharge of peeling mages, you don't have to worry about that call out
just like they don't have to worry about diving mages when they know that's someone elses job

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:05 AM
Exactly.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:05 AM
same with healers just healing and offensive mages going offensive

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:05 AM
I think the role idea would be a good medium in this situation.
As opposed to a comms lead.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:05 AM
that shit don't work in Kran, but it works in war

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:05 AM
Calling on every one.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:06 AM
well let both sleep on this and pick up with some thoughts tomorrow

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:06 AM
Because logically and or strategically speaking, if every one does their role; the group should hold up.
Alrighty.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:06 AM
ruen will play if were having fun

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:06 AM
I'll try to convince him haha.
He's always the one eager to start playing.
But also quick to stop.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:06 AM
moe might come back if we break down some dred shit and he knows alie isn't calling the shots

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:07 AM
I think Moebius is going through some more personal issues.
Just from light conversation with him

Sockdolager - Today at 5:07 AM
yeah...i'm not one to pry, but i've also been around a while...figured it's a bit of that and a bit of the game getting stale
anyways...i got some shit to do

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:08 AM
Alrighty.

Sockdolager - Today at 5:08 AM
thanks for talking...lets actually talk tomorrow for a  bit

Double-Decker Dylan - Today at 5:08 AM
Take it easy.
Will do!