[/summit] Arykhan Injech has joined the channel
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: So, first of all you suggested that the initial theft was either a fluke
of some sort or did not occur, and that logs do not stats the aggressor
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Let's actually speed it up.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: I pasted the logs earlier to mael, they include the empire name
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You were not interested in diplomacy after the theft, and instead, went
the route of hostility.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: What makes you expect us to want to talk about this, other than the fact
we're here at your request after escalating the matter?
/summit One of our members, with out our consent, thought that an aggrsor was an open target
thought to test his abilities.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: One of our members, with out our consent, thought that an aggrsor was an
open target thought to test his abilities.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Do you believe I gave consent of any theft?
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: And how has Eagle been dealt with, for doing this without your consent?
[/summit Mael]: His statement to me was he was repping infiltration.  My response to him was that he
picked a bad target.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: my conversation with mael made me think that you had intended to attack us
retribution for our aggression, when we were not the initial aggressors.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: So you took issue with something a member of my empire has done but now
you only care to deign to speak to me after one of your members escalates the matter? I am curious,
what are your intentions with the present situation. How would you like to proceed?
/summit I thought to ignore it.  I didn't know that eagle had done anything
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: I thought to ignore it.  I didn't know that eagle had done anything
/Summit when I learned he had I told him he was an idiot and to stop
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: when I learned he had I told him he was an idiot and to stop
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: I think we both took issue with what eachothers members have done.
[/summit Mael]: For a diplomat, not a lot of communication happened during or following these events.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You'd assume much. Truth be told, we appreciate conflict. It is
interesting that a group with the namesake of Khan does not feel the same.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Are you not conquerors?
[/summit Mael]: The only reason this is happening today seems to be my reach out to compliment
Arykhan's in-city movements to my actions.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Mael, as i told you previously, we have been trying to contact xodi but he
hasnt been online
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: we had been operating under the assumption that the attacks on us were
actions of rogue members
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: we attempted to communicate previously but were ignored
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You'd think a diplomat could figure Xodi's familiar relationships and
reach his brother Rhyiak without much problem
[/summit] Xodi Stormwood chuckles.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: chuckles at xodi
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I'll cut to the chase. If you wish peace, we wish gold, silver, or other
precious metals.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: And if I ever see a Khan on my lands after this exchange, you will burn.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: No damage has been done to your empire. You have already gotten your
reparations
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Sound fair enough?
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I do not believe you understand me. This isn't actually a discussion.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: They are demands.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: If you want to aggress against a small empire of new players, that is your
perogetive
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: you will not profit
[/summit Mael]: eat peach
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Small may be a keyword of interest. I do not why you assume we are not
just as new.
[/summit Mael]: New enough to type 'eat peach' after '/summit'
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Lets look at this objectively. You are a larger empire who would aggress
unprovoked against a smaller empire after attempting to lie about crimes commited. We are not in a
vacuum.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Hardly unprovoked.
[/summit Mael]: Unprovoked.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Unprovoked.
/summit Indeed unprovoked.  Our member responded.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Indeed unprovoked.  Our member responded.
[/summit Mael]: If it's unprovoked, I got a lot of things in my Eagle-based playbook.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: If your idea of provokation is a single step onto a tile after previously
stealing our resources and murdering our members through claims at the spawn, ineed
/summit A response that was not sanctioned
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: A response that was not sanctioned
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Can i ask you something
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: When you recruited your members, where did you find them?
/summit Maybe this all started because one of your members wished to start such a conflict
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Maybe this all started because one of your members wished to start such a
conflict
/summit To eachothers demise
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: To eachothers demise
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: So much trust in members of an empire that advertises pledges on "who"
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: You have members now
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You speak from an awful defensive position for a Khan
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Defensive? you misunderstand
[/summit Mael]: "How dedicated are they..."
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I will give the Khans one game month to deliver upon my request.
/summit your demands
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: your demands
/summit you mean
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Your going to have to translate that into real time
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: you mean
/summit At this point you are openly just declaring war of aggresion
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: At this point you are openly just declaring war of aggresion
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I seek reparations
/summit For damages done to us
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: For damages done to us
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: For what?
/summit Much appreciated
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Much appreciated
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: you would have us pay you because you stole from us
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Call it what you wish. You tresspassed on our land with hostile intent.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: One of our members did
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: xodi, your bored right?
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: your looking for a conflict
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: How many other empires in this game do you think are looking for a
justified reason for conflict
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I am not. I desire an agreeable end. Agreeable to me is receiving what I
have requested in reparations for your rogue operative.
/summit That we could, say, share with
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: That we could, say, share with
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You asked nothing of us after you accuse us of theft.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Then we ask the same terms of your reparations
/summit But peace
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: But peace
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I do not believe you are in a position to do that.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: See you in a month.
[/summit Mael]: "It is 7 o'clock am, on Friday" "The 26th day of the month of November, year 1151."
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: the biggest joke of all, is that you think we have reparations to pay
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Let alone a item to pay with
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I'd get to work then.
/summit Or a reason to pay
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Or a reason to pay
[/summit Mael]: "Wealth: 11 coins (at 10%), 184 treasure (185 total)"
/summit You have done more than we could pay for
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You have done more than we could pay for
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: And what damage have we wrought? Do you even know what you accuse us of
stealing?
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Well, you would have the full list
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: but to give you an overview
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: around 20 weapons and dropped items, as well as forge contents
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Feel free to deliver this proof via pigeon mail.
[/summit Mael]: Or pastebin.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: We have the logs.
/summit At this point you are being openly hostile
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: At this point you are being openly hostile
/summit Not open to disscusion
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Not open to disscusion
/summit Or even simple diplomacy
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Or even simple diplomacy
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Again, these alleged logs that may or may not exist.
/summit One of yours aggresses us and then you act the offended
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: One of yours aggresses us and then you act the offended
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Provide them.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Hah
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: pastebinning, give me a moment
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Personally, i think this is utterly pointless
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: more for our viewers really
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: http://pastebin.com/Xh3thLM2
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I see nothing here but one 'stealth activity' distrust that implicates my
member. We caught yours red handed.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: lol
[/summit Mael]: "whois eagle"  Slain by Mael in battle on 6 October, Year 1151.
/summit which dose not counter our argument that one of our new members saw your aggresive empire
as a valid empire to test his ablilitys
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: which dose not counter our argument that one of our new members saw your
aggresive empire as a valid empire to test his ablilitys
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You desire peace. I see no reason to restrict my members from their
actions. You want something, I care very little.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: That quote was perfect for my purposes
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: We want nothing from you, but to stop harrasing us
/summit Which isn't peace, but mutual ignorance
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Which isn't peace, but mutual ignorance
/summit And if your offer of peace dosn't restrict your members, then why should ours
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: And if your offer of peace dosn't restrict your members, then why should
ours
/summit All we want is people to stop harrasing eachother over nothing.  We've delt with ours all
we ask is the same from you.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: All we want is people to stop harrasing eachother over nothing.  We've
delt with ours all we ask is the same from you.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Honestly if you dont plan to restrict your members after some "tribute"
that doesnt exist, it's pointless to pay.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Now you put words in my mouth, or mishear what I have to say.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: If you were to pay the reparations of the damage Eagle has done, you'd be
left alone. My members would also have to accept this.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Yours is a snake's mouth
[/summit Mael]: Diplomacy!
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Strong words from someone with something to lose.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You can test this snake's tongue on December 26th. Be well Khans.
/summit You are a war monger
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You are a war monger
/summit and shall be known as such
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: and shall be known as such
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: So says you.
/summit If you don't want peace, then you seek only destruction.  We asked for mutual peace.  We
asked for mutual respect.  You demanded from us what we dont have even after stealing, attaking,
and harrasing us.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: If you don't want peace, then you seek only destruction.  We asked for
mutual peace.  We asked for mutual respect.  You demanded from us what we dont have even after
stealing, attaking, and harrasing us.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: If you desired peace, you would have reached out earlier. You have
escalated matters. I merely wish to provide closure.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: there was no conflict, just your theiving
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: Should we reach out to the theives? ask nicely for it back?
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: how ludicrous
[/summit Mael]: You're missing how the game changed following Eagle.
/summit We did not star this conflict, but our members only continued it ignorance.  You excaled
form there we asked that it to stop.  We though it had gone to far.  You ask that we pay for your
aggesion.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: We did not star this conflict, but our members only continued it ignorance.
  You excaled form there we asked that it to stop.  We though it had gone to far.  You ask that we
pay for your aggesion.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Some diplomat you are. If that were to happen on my lands, we would have
responded in kind
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Or have at least opened lines of communication.
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: sorry i can only laugh at the attempt at in character insults
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You chose the route of aggressing.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: And now you wonder why the larger empire you took a route of hostility
towards wants to be repaid. Interesting.
/summit We only sought to resolve an issue that went ignored, which is an error I accept.  But to
ask for payment for YOUR aggresions
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: We only sought to resolve an issue that went ignored, which is an error I
accept.  But to ask for payment for YOUR aggresions
/summit Is down right dispicable
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: The payment is for your inability to perform diplomacy
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Is down right dispicable
/summit Paymeny?
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Paymeny?
/summit Damages you have cause, stolen, done?
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Damages you have cause, stolen, done?
/summit Is that not enough?
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Is that not enough?
/summit To seek more is only the path of a warmonger
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: To seek more is only the path of a warmonger
/summit Someone who seeks to steal from those weaker than them selves, someone who went in error,
who accepted that eorr, and though they could resovle it
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Someone who seeks to steal from those weaker than them selves, someone who
went in error, who accepted that eorr, and though they could resovle it
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Why should I not respond in kind after you chose the path of aggression?
Is this route of coals too hot for you to walk?
/summit You stole form us, our one aggressor was delt with, he has been reprimanded, he dosn't know
the game, he dosn't know how to play
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You stole form us, our one aggressor was delt with, he has been
reprimanded, he dosn't know the game, he dosn't know how to play
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: you have zero intention to honor any agreements you make
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: And your proof to back that claim?
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I have alliances, we walk a path of honor.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: We only wish peace and prosperity, and when that is interrupted, there are
issues. The question of reparations is more of a lesson.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: The next time you have issue with another Empire, resolve it swiftly. Do
not counter-attack.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: Those who wish peace would take this route, yet you did not, and only now
has the kitchen gotten too hot for you to cook within.
/summit A man of honor would at least accept they had a member who were in error, like we
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: A man of honor would at least accept they had a member who were in error,
like we
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You have an interesting sense of honor.
/summit We did nothing, a member, like your own, worked alone and unknowing
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: We did nothing, a member, like your own, worked alone and unknowing
/summit These single members did damage
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: These single members did damage
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You at one end want me to be responsible for my member while disavowig
responsibility for yours, and in the next instant, that is reversed.
/summit And we only seek that these single members fix their errors, in their own empires
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: And we only seek that these single members fix their errors, in their own
empires
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You are not seeing the point, however.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: If you would have been a proper diplomat, your member would have never had
any cause to attack in response. Do you understand?
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: The onus is upon you.
/summit The same could be said fo your member
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: The same could be said fo your member
/summit And you, for opening the hostility
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: And you, for opening the hostility
/summit At this point you only seek to open the distance between us
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: At this point you only seek to open the distance between us
/summit To ignore diplomatic reason
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: To ignore diplomatic reason
/summit To actualy resolve this
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: To actualy resolve this
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: If you would have reached out, we could have even done something about our
member. We could have even helped you get back what was taken.
[/summit Mael]: I appreciate diplomatic reason like "snake's mouth" and "no intention to honor our
agreements."
/summit And isntead put the blame on a group, instead of the individual
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: And isntead put the blame on a group, instead of the individual
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You say I have no honor for not being responsible for every member of my
empire, then say that you do not have this type of control either? Interesting indeed.
/summit We ignored it, because we are new.  We ignroed it because we saw no damage.  Now you think
that your members conitnued attacks are justified
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: We ignored it, because we are new.  We ignroed it because we saw no damage.
  Now you think that your members conitnued attacks are justified
/summit You think our mutual end of conflict is an aggression on you, your whole empire
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You think our mutual end of conflict is an aggression on you, your whole
empire
/summit We seek nothing from you, more than peace, we seek nothing more from your whole, more than
peace, we seak nothing more from your members more than peace
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: We seek nothing from you, more than peace, we seek nothing more from your
whole, more than peace, we seak nothing more from your members more than peace
/summit Your claims of us resquesting something from you because of your members rings hollow
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Your claims of us resquesting something from you because of your members
rings hollow
/summit We want nothing but an end
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: We want nothing but an end
/summit To stupidity
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: To stupidity
/summit To ignorance
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: To ignorance
/summit To open faced warmongering
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: To open faced warmongering
/summit Anything less would disrespect either of us
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Anything less would disrespect either of us
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I do hope your forthcoming propoganda is better than that. I'll see you on
the 26th.
/summit Your warmongering shall not go unanswered
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: Your
warmongering shall not go unanswered
[/summit Arykhan Injech]: i wonder why so many of the empires near us are also distrustful of you
/summit You have offended more than mine, you have offended others
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You call it warmongering but I do not believe you understand that term. I
merely seek resolution to a transgression against my people.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You have offended more than mine, you have offended others
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You have failed to recognize this issue until it has conflated to this
point. I do hope you learn from this.
/summit You seek payment to be ignored, vallasalge with out reason
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You seek payment to be ignored, vallasalge with out reason
/summit You seek to extort
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You seek to extort
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You accuse me of much and have shown much disrespect. I have merely
pointed out the issues in which you operate your diplomatic arm.
/summit You are a thief, a liar, and and extorstionist.  I tried to end this amicably, peacfully,
equaly, but you seek only to dominate.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: You are a thief, a liar, and and extorstionist.  I tried to end this
amicably, peacfully, equaly, but you seek only to dominate.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: I have left this very open-ended. I did not ask for riches beyond your
imagination. I requested a paltry sum of a precious metal. You accuse us of theft, yet we have not
come to take anything from you. The 'tribute' as you have called it, the 'payment' as you have
called it, is more symbolic of our relationship.
/summit I see no further reasons for discusions with someone such as your self.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: I see no further reasons for discusions with someone such as your self.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: If we truly desired vassalage, we would have asked. I do not seek to ruin
you.
/summit a true statesman sees his errors and accepts them, you seek to extort beyond your means.
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: a true statesman sees his errors and accepts them, you seek to extort
beyond your means.
[/summit Xodi Stormwood]: You have no idea of my means sir.
/summit I see no reason to try and converse with you further
[/summit Karbin Nuclens]: I see no reason to try and converse with you further