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- A few lines at the start are missing but it was mostly "Why are you spamming /jp/?"
- 01:01:17 <Meido> "If that's your goal, then why do you make it harder for everyone? What is the torrent of spam hoping to achieve?"
- 01:03:00 <sion`> well first of all im not all the spam on /jp/ youll have to ask the satenfags and such about that
- 01:04:25 <sion`> second i cant moderate /jp/ by deleting so i can only hope i can make people see how dumb they are when they make shitty threads
- 01:08:29 <Meido> you're not supposed to moderate. There's a chain of how this goes. Anonymous reports, janitors deletes and passes information to mod, mods ban, anonymous evades
- 01:08:39 <Meido> Just report and move on instead
- 01:09:37 <sion`> how many times do you think ive tried to report unrelated jp threads and nothing ever happens?
- 01:10:46 I think you could work something out if you infiltrated friendcircle but then again that would require friendcircle
- 01:11:05 <sion`> is this you or meido
- 01:11:12 That was me
- 01:11:20 friendcircle is pretty high on the hitlist
- 01:11:25 <Meido> Also, if it is not Saten that the friend circle spams, then what is the extent of your spam work?
- 01:11:36 <sion`> i have nothing to do with friendcircle i never have
- 01:12:16 Yeah, I know. But you're probably the only person they could accept without suspicion
- 01:12:26 <Meido> Please understand that we're overworked and a few people. We can't stay 24/7 and there are periods of time when we just can't deal with all the reports.
- 01:12:41 <sion`> while i thought it mightve been a funny idea for something like that to happen i knew it was better to not get involved with those retards
- 01:12:42 ^He's talking 3000+ report queues, this shit gets ridiculous
- 01:13:47 <sion`> the main issue with your moderation is no consistency
- 01:13:51 You haven't fully answered "then what is the extent of your spam work?" by the way
- 01:14:32 <sion`> random anime screencaps every few hours usually of girl of the season
- 01:17:07 <Meido> the point of that spam being? And please explain in detail what you consider as lack of consistency.
- 01:18:17 <sion`> the lack of consistency is why /v/ threads are allowed and threads with tons of rule breaking content like rika threads are prefectly fine
- 01:19:45 Do other people do girl of the season spam?
- 01:20:04 <sion`> i dont work with anyone else
- 01:20:57 Yeah I know that, I'm just asking if all the girl of the season stuff is yours or if someone else does it, maybe to troll you or make people mad at you or whatever
- 01:21:10 <sion`> i dont know
- 01:21:22 Ok
- 01:23:29 <Meido> We run on an ever increasing list of policies that apply for most boards. At the top sits "Let them have their fun as long as it's not spammed". That's the reason Cornelia threads were allowed until a breaking point, and why Rika and idols get a free pass due to being contained. /v/ threads get ignored as long as they have long proper discussion or it relates to the board enough.
- 01:23:44 <Meido> That's the reason you see a Recettear thread. Besides being a doujin game from C76
- 01:25:22 <sion`> so basically anyone can claim anything is /jp/ related and that makes it ok
- 01:26:04 <sion`> and you are also saying that rule breaking material is ok as its "contained"
- 01:26:13 That does seem to be the case as long as enough people claim it is, isn't it
- 01:26:53 <sion`> that just means anyone can get a small circlejerk group or samefag
- 01:29:36 <Meido> Nope. In fact much of it gets deleted just for that reason, saying "/jp/ related because of blank" is a trigger for a quick deletion.
- 01:31:01 <Meido> Not exactly rule breaking, there's a slight line they have to cross for it to become that. And besides those two examples, that I can't touch due to becoming board culture by now, what else demonstrates lack of consistency?
- 01:33:32 I brought to him the issue that with rules like that, anyone could force something into board culture status
- 01:34:34 <sion`> better example would be that since so many people are posting saten its now board culture and should be allowed
- 01:34:41 His reply that before he got meido status, it was that way, and that's how idols and Rika got their place and he can't do shit about it. Now that he meidos he fights Saten every day
- 01:36:02 <sion`> so why doesnt he fix the problems of his predacessor instead of ignoring it. ar tonelicofags were there on his watch im pretty sure
- 01:36:33 <sion`> also every ar tonelicofag will state ITS /JP/ RELATED BECAUSE when confronted
- 01:37:11 <sion`> and just because something is board culture doesnt mean its right
- 01:37:29 I don't know if you remember this
- 01:37:41 But at some point an idolfaggotry thread got deleted, a long time ago
- 01:37:49 And idolfags started spamming like motherfuckers
- 01:37:55 That's probably where the previous meido lost
- 01:38:13 <sion`> im not even thinking of idolsfags actually
- 01:38:19 <sion`> just rikafags and artonelicofags
- 01:39:19 <sion`> tell him that its also cool that theres 2 frontpage threads with non-worksafe OP images for a while now
- 01:39:48 Well he's kind of paying attention to you right now
- 01:40:17 <sion`> theyve been there before we ever started talking
- 01:40:28 He had also been away for a while before that
- 01:40:42 I haven't relayed that yet, are you sure you want me to?
- 01:40:53 <sion`> yes obviously
- 01:41:24 <Meido> I will admit that I don't check AT threads closely. I just knew it got spammed and metathreads and that gets higher on my rules than /jp/ anonymous having discussion. Remember that Let Them Have Their Fun is made of iron. We're supposed to guarantee a spam free environment while allowing freedom. It's what 4chan is about
- 01:42:19 <sion`> so i guess ill go make a saten general thread because its board culture now and we can have our fun
- 01:42:43 No, point is, it's not board culture
- 01:42:58 <sion`> but with enough people i can claim it is
- 01:43:17 With friendcircle you can claim it is, and the rest of the board has to accept it
- 01:43:29 <sion`> this is the actual issue at heart
- 01:43:51 <sion`> in reality its "let them have their fun" but only the fun i want
- 01:44:15 <sion`> you can just pick and choose whats "board culture" with no real basis
- 01:44:22 He doesn't want Rika and idols, but the rest of the board accepted them
- 01:45:04 <sion`> pretty sure alot of people dont like them but now just dont bother anymore
- 01:45:55 Yeah, that's more or less what acceptance is
- 01:46:14 <sion`> its not really acceptence
- 01:46:22 Still waiting on his reply for previous stuff by the way, this is just me talking
- 01:46:43 <sion`> more like no ones doing anything about it and nothings changing
- 01:46:53 <sion`> i give up on trying to do something about it
- 01:48:43 <Meido> There's a specific trigger for claiming board culture status, and that is high interest from multiple parties in a short time. The kind of thing that can't be achieved through sock puppetry or spam. That's why I didn't even doubt about leaving Cornelia-tan threads be at first. That's why Saten, or Strike Witches, or Bawson will ever be related to the board. It's not at random,
- 01:48:50 <Meido> we think of what would be best for the board and act on it, while trying to not be nazis about it.
- 01:49:09 To be honest there's not much that can really be done before moot gives mod
- 01:50:05 <Meido> For the record, Let Them Have Their Fun stops me for a lot of things I would delete on sight. It's not that I particularly like some things and decide upon my preferences.
- 01:53:51 <Meido> So, summing up, your issue is that AT and Rika threads are allowed, a fact that I can't do anything about at this point and barely qualify as a problem. That anything could be allowed eventually, even though that's not true seeing that forcing anything is not only hated by the community, but deleted on sight/when I'm around.
- 01:56:06 <sion`> so if i made a valkryia chronicles thread right now you would have to allow it because it has high interest since 2 came out and you should let us have our fun
- 01:56:33 If enough people discussed it, then following his logic, he would
- 01:56:35 But let me ask him
- 01:56:50 <sion`> they get deleted all the time regardless of whats going on btw
- 01:57:07 <sion`> even when like vc2 release threads were going on
- 01:58:10 <sion`> i also claim that at and rika threads do not have high interest because they are just samefagged and bumped for days with nothing happening for days at a time
- 01:59:41 <Meido> Once again, can't do shit about that. I even started a motion to get them banished but it didn't pass.
- 02:00:19 <sion`> he ignored my vc example
- 02:00:21 Currently pushing him on the VC2 issue
- 02:00:33 Calm down, I'm not letting him get away so easily
- 02:01:00 <Meido> As for VC, it would depend. I had to let one go on VC2 launch, but then it started to get spammed and "janitor is deleting us" and if there's one thing that overrules the LTHTF policy is Global Rule 8
- 02:01:07 Do I need to dig up rule 8 for you
- 02:01:18 <Meido> Also, as long as it wasn't focused on the anime.
- 02:02:47 <Meido> Yes, Valkyria Chronicles does get a sliver of time in the board due to VC2 launch and high relation to the board. A couple weeks down the line and the whole "posting here because /v/ sucks" wouldn't be enough to fly
- 02:03:32 Global Rule #8: Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc.) on the imageboards can result in post deletion and banishment. The administrator will address your questions, comments, complaints, and concerns via e-mail.
- 02:04:29 <sion`> the vc2 thread was prefectly fine until it was deleted randomly then some people tried to remake it
- 02:05:03 <sion`> artonelicofags justify thier existence "because /v/ sucks"
- 02:05:46 <sion`> no vc thread has ever been about the anime so what other false reasons do you want to come up with
- 02:08:42 <sion`> you claim things arent related for reason x and when reason x is applied to something else you claim BOARD CULTURE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
- 02:10:08 <Meido> That VC2 thread was deleted on a report run done by a fellow janitor. We get that sometimes, a thread has a shitton of reports, you don't know the board culture well so you act on majority rule and not looking like report button was spammed.
- 02:10:15 <Meido> I was fine with leaving it be.
- 02:10:55 <Meido> But then it had to become a "mod sucks, why why why" which won't be allowed no matter what.
- 02:13:40 <sion`> justify why any other vc thread before or after that day is deleted
- 02:13:55 <sion`> and you still never answered my initial example
- 02:14:51 What was the initial example?
- 02:14:59 The first VC thread that was fine?
- 02:15:05 <sion`> so if i made a valkryia chronicles thread right now you would have to allow it because it has high interest since 2 came out and you should let us have our fun
- 02:15:13 Oh
- 02:17:49 <Meido> Yes, it would be due to the closeness of the launch date, but it would depend on the interest shown. Samefagging and bumping every few hours with no discussion? Deleted.
- 02:19:36 <sion`> funny how there are some other threads that have samefagging, bumping and no discussion that are perfectly fine
- 02:19:51 <Meido> Before and after? Just your track record. We pretty much delete on sight anything with an inkling of having anything to do with you or the friend circle.
- 02:21:00 <Meido> Remember I mentioned overworked? Yeah, it's no fun to lose 5 pages everyday. We start to develop a kind of grudge and down it goes. Both shitposting and anything slightly related
- 02:21:13 <sion`> so basically you police like 5 people on /jp/ and ignore everyone else
- 02:22:58 <sion`> and you also admit that you use personal grudges instead of rules when moderating
- 02:25:17 <Meido> More like a couple dozen. No, we don't ignore it unless it's a busy day, or it hasn't actually been reported (happens a lot, we can't just refresh /jp/ all day waiting for something). And it just makes sense to focus on what you know is going to be problem and be done with it.
- 02:25:56 <Meido> Not personal grudges, think of it as tracking. You know they spam your board every single day, you delete them on sight. It's not even personal, I just stick to my rules to the bitter end.
- 02:26:53 <Meido> You think we care? There's no time to get into personal wars when you see the same things every day all over 4chan. It's a wonder I'm still as invested as I am now, I could very well take it easy like most of the staff and let the board rot.
- 02:27:04 <Meido> But I don't, because I still want to see /jp/ clean
- 02:28:01 <Meido> Shitpost? Get deleted. Shitposted enough to gain attention for a number of weeks? Get deleted on sight, no matter what you post.
- 02:28:26 <Meido> Plus banned if you have passed the line
- 02:29:22 <sion`> then my suggestion is to actually start moderating with the rules instead of picking and choosing based on some artbitrary status
- 02:31:38 <sion`> http://boards.4chan.org/jp/res/6085086 tons of dicussion here since monday
- 02:35:04 <Meido> Translation Collaboration. A movement to actually try to do something and get a game translated. We're meant to protect instead of stiffle creativity and drive to do projects. Otherwise I could very well delete OC threads for being nothing but 'bump' for hours from a small base.
- 02:35:42 <Meido> This isn't easy. You have to interpret the rules and act on them as it would benefit the board the most
- 02:40:20 <Meido> I think we can call this audience over
- 02:41:22 <Meido> Hope you get the idea that we're not unfair, we're subjected to a set of rules beyond the public ones, and we try to stick to them as close as possible and for the most time that sleep pattern and real life allows us.
- 02:42:15 <sion`> so im just assured that moderation will forever be inconsistent and /jp/ will continue to kill itself
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