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- Please note the following things before i get started:
- 0. English isn't my native language.
- 1. I do not want to poke fun at any gender or group.
- 2. tl;dr: Read it, it's important.
- Short recap for those who don't know what C+= is
- Arielle Schlesinger published an article stating that she is researching
- how a programming language built on feminist logic could look like. [0]
- 4chan then decided to make fun of this idea by doing a parody, namely
- C+=. [1]
- This caused a shitstorm leading to the parody beeing banned from GitHub,
- Bitbucket and Google Code [2,3,4], because people complained that is was
- offensive towards women.
- Curious on what feminist logic would look like I decided to have a
- conversation with feminists about this topic, which I did.
- I learned about the keywords "feminist critique of logic" and decided to
- research that topic.
- I found an article explaining that idea which i will try to quickly
- summarize and quote from now. [5]
- >Andrea Nye, Professor of Philosophy University of Wisconsin-Whitewater,
- >attempts to undermine "logic" as a patriarchal contraption of
- >oppression, concluding that "Logic in its final perfection is insane."
- Nye then goes of on a rambling on how logic is a tool of supression and
- how she struggled in a logic course in university.
- >When confronted with the example, "Jones ate fish with ice cream and
- >died", Nye, who had come to philosophy from literature, finds her mind
- >wandering off into speculation about why Jones ate such a bizarre dish
- >and why death was the consequence.
- >She argues that given its historical development from the time of the
- >Greeks, logic as we know it today, is not only alienated from women but
- >also has been and continues to be a weapon of oppression.
- Further down she claims that National Socialism was just a master-logic
- Hitler worked out (!). I'm not even kidding.
- >Nye's feminist reading of the history of logic ends with these words:
- >"Logic in its final perfection is insane."
- And this is where I had to stop reading. Because I couldn't decide if
- this was just satire too. But since she wrote a whole book on it, I will
- have to take it serious for now.
- I do not want to forbid her to think about this and have these theories.
- But I guess most people will have given up trying to follow her train of
- thought when she Godwin's law's and blames World War II on logic.
- I will now jump to a different story where I talked with a feminist
- software engineer on freenode yesterday. I promised her not to publish
- the conversation and she's is not online at the point of this writing so
- I can't ask her if I publish the log anonymized. I will this summarize
- it from mind and hope i got everything right she said.
- I asked her what she thinks about the C+= project. She responded that
- she thinks the article by Ari Schlesinger is and art project or lunacy.
- And 4chan is mocking it because many people are in CompSci and know
- that. She also told me that she thinks the problem isn't the parody,
- but people not knowing if it's satire or not. And that people need
- better education on what Feminism actually is so they can realize this
- is satire.
- I will now quote a short anonymized conversation snipped from public IRC
- > <a> If the people in comp sci had to code what they come up with,
- > they'd have much more modest dreams.
- > <b> Maybe. But would that be better?
- > <a> More practical.
- > [...]
- > <a> I think a subtext as to why they're mocking is that
- > "women aren't practical"
- And this is the point where I think it gets really interesting. Because
- from reading the parody I don't think that is what the parody was trying
- to say. It was just poking fun at the idea of a feminist programming
- language.
- This is also where exact terminology gets really important.
- Because: Feminist != Women.
- I will now openly and completely disagree with the ideas by Andrea Nye.
- _I_ think everything she's written there is complete bullshit. That's
- my personal opinion and I'm allowed to have it.
- I'm also allowed to parody or satirize it, and I hope most of you still
- agree with me here.
- In fact making a parody of it is pretty much the only way to critisize
- it. Because how do you argue with someone who detest's logic?
- Unfortunately there's a sterotype that women are all touchy and feely
- and suck at logic. I obviously don't think that's true.
- But that is exactly what Andrea Nye is reeinforcing with her philisophic
- research about how patriarchic logic is. Read the full article under [5]
- it's exactly the sterotype that she is reinforcing under the flag of
- feminism.
- But this raises a huge problem. She created a construct of _logic_ that
- allows her to discard any argument she doesn't like and at the same time
- whenever someones tries to poke fun at her idea she can just claim
- sexism.
- It's a construct that you can not critisize. Because the other side can
- always claim sexism. Again, please note, I want to critisize Andrea
- Nye's _work_. Not her or women in general.
- I'm actually fairly certain most women disagree with Andrea Nye too. I
- don't know but I will assume that for now.
- I hope most feminists do so too. I'm not an expert on feminism, and I
- don't claim to be one. We all want gender equality (or comparability as
- I was thought yesterday). But presenting borderline insane theories and
- disallowing any criticism on them doesn't help here. It hurts.
- My personal hope is that most of the feminists disagree with Nye's work
- because otherwise I cannot take Feminism seriously anymore.
- And again: Feminism != Gender equality.
- I hope that this is just a very minor, very vocal subgroup within
- feminism that has a bit extremistic views.
- But please, don't help them shutting things down on the internet that
- criticize extremistic views, because that group has managed that any
- critisicm can be labeled as sexism.
- It's hurts your cause and doesn't help it.
- If by any chance you do share what I regard as extremestic views. That's
- okay too. You're allowed to have that opinion. But when other feminists
- tell me that the problem is that people have a false idea of feminism,
- maybe don't publish these ideas under the flag of feminism.
- Publish them as an idea of yours or find a new label.
- There is no formal definition of feminism, and everybody that claims
- something stupid under it's name just hurts it.
- No one takes feminism seriously if they have to associate it with
- World War II beeing the fault of logic.
- [0] http://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/re-feminism-and-programming-languages
- [1] https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/
- [2] https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equality
- [3] https://bitbucket.org/FeministSoftwareFoundation/c-plus-equality
- [4] https://code.google.com/p/c-plus-equality/
- [5] http://ncfm.org/2013/12/news/uncategorized/the-feminist-critique-repudiation-of-logic/
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