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  1. Jesus is coming for his Saints soon and then the end begins. If you have been decieved into believing that this is not told to us in the Holy Scriptures please read below and read your own Bible with the Holy Spirit as your guide. This is a list of evidences debunking that this is not taught to us. Please copy and share this if God moves you to do so.
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  3. His second "Appearing", not coming. Six times in the KJV Bible.
  4. https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=appearing&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
  5. Please note I use Majority Text translations and the New Testament Scriptures here are from the EMTV (English Majority Text Version) available in Bible apps or print. That being said, the Scriptures here are practically identical to the KJV outside of wording.
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  7. Call it what you want but these verses describe how it happens.
  8. Acts 1:9-11 Now after He said these things, while they were beholding Him, He was lifted up, and a cloud withdrew Him from their sight. And while they looked intently into heaven, while He was going, behold, two men stood along side them in white apparel, who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you watched Him go into heaven."
  9. 1 Thess 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall always be with the Lord.
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  11. Just these two verses alone prove the rapture before the great tribulation.
  12. 1 Thess 3:13 so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ with ALL His SAINTS. Luke 21:36 Watch therefore, praying always that you may be counted worthy to ESCAPE EVERYTHING that is ABOUT to happen, and to stand before the Son of Man." <--That was God telling you that.
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  14. Why do people say PreTrib beliefs came from Darby and a movie and there is no evidence of anyone teaching it before 1830? This is just not true,
  15. http://www.essentialchristianity.com/pages.asp?pageid=21918
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  17. It's even in the Old Testament, read Zechariah 14.
  18. Zech 14:5 "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."
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  20. Matthew 24 is usually misread using these verses, Matt 24:31 and Matt 24 40-41.
  21. The elect are already in Heaven not on Earth.
  22. Matt 24:31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other.
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  24. The "rapture" of Matthew is for the evil people clearly stated in these verses.
  25. Matt 24:51 and he will cut him in two, and will appoint his share with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  26. Matthew 24:28 For wherever the carcass may be, there the eagles will be gathered together
  27. The parallel in Luke 17:37 confirms this even further.
  28. Luke 17:37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?" So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."
  29. Notice the words "eagles" "carcass" and "body", that's clearly not Heaven, it is this event in Revelation.
  30. Rev 19:17-18 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who ride on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."
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  32. We, the faithful Church, are kept from the hour of testing.
  33. Rev 3:10 Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those that dwell upon the earth.
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  35. The second coming will be like a snare (trap) for ALL who are on earth.
  36. Luke 21:35 For it will come as a SNARE on ALL those who live on the face of the whole earth.
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  38. What about the Church not being mentioned after Rev:4? People claim this doesn't mean anything even though Revelation, after the introduction, immediately speaks to the Church. They then are absent except until judgement day except for being spoken of in Heaven.
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  40. Getting back to Revelation, here we see imagery that links back to Matthew 25 1-13 (The Parable of the Ten Virgins). Also notice in Rev 4:4 after John is called up in the spirit form by a voice which is like a trumpet he sees "twenty-four elders sitting, having been clothed in white robes; and on their heads were crowns of gold".
  41. Rev 3:8 "I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open DOOR, and no man can shut it; because you have a little strength and have kept My word, and you have not denied My name.
  42. Then we see in
  43. Rev 4:1-2 After these things I looked, and behold, a DOOR standing open in HEAVEN, and the first voice which I heard was like a TRUMPET speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you the things which must occur AFTER this." IMMEDIATELYI was in the SPIRIT; and behold, a throne was set in heaven (and One sitting on the throne)..."
  44. Then look at this amazing verse in Matthew 25:10 but read the whole parable for context, Matthew 25 1-13 (The Parable of the Ten Virgins).
  45. Matt 25:10 But as they went away to buy, the BRIDEGROOM came, and those who were ready went in with him to the WEDDING; and the DOOR was shut.
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  47. Revelation makes it clear that the saints are already in Heaven while the great tribulation is ongoing.
  48. The Elders mentioned in Rev 4:4 are clothed in white raiment with crowns on their head? How could they already be in Heaven if the rapture is at the end?
  49. Rev 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw the twenty-four elders sitting, having been clothed in white robes; and on their heads were crowns of gold.
  50. And in Rev 6:11 we see tribulation saints go directly to Heaven before the great tribulation ends.
  51. Rev 6:11 And a long white robe was given to them, and it was said to them that they should rest yet a while, until also their fellow servants and their brothers, who were about to be killed as also they were, should complete their course.
  52. In Rev 7:13-14 it's explained. The Elder, who is already in Heaven, tells John "These are they which came out of great tribulation", and these are what people call the "tribulation saints". We know people will be converted to God during the tribulation, this is clear by the two witnesses alone.
  53. Rev 7:13-14 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in long white robes, and where did they come from?" And I said to him, "My lord, you know." So he said to me, "These are those who come out of the Great Tribulation, and have washed their robes and they made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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  55. We also see EVERYONE hiding from God in Rev 6:15-16. Why would the Church be hiding from God when we are looking forward to His return and our redemption? It's simple to see that the Church is absent.
  56. Rev 6:15-16 And the kings of the earth, and the magnates and the high-ranking military men, and the rich and the mighty, and EVERY slave and EVERY free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the crags of the mountains.
  57. 16 And they said to the mountains and crags, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb!
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  59. What about the restrainer from 2 Thess 2:7? HE must be the Holy Spirit and if he is taken away so shall we be. We wouldn't be the Church without the Holy Spirit in us. With Him we are the light of the world without Him and us this world will spiral into complete darkness and fast.
  60. 2 Thess 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will continue until one arises from out of the midst.
  61. 2 Thess 2:8 tells us what happens next
  62. 8 And then the lawless one will be unveiled, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth, and will destroy by the brightness of His coming.
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  64. Why do people say that the coming will be "as in the days of Noah" and "as in the days of Lot" but ignore the basic message that Noah and Lot had faith and were spared wrath?
  65. Luke:17:29 but on THE DAY that Lot went OUT from Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
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  67. Gods' wrath is not for His bride the Church it's for the wicked and those who are not ready for the wedding. It's Jesus who opens the scrolls not satan and it's his hour of testing.
  68. 1 Thess:5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
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  70. The Bible tells us Jesus will come at a time when people are not expecting him. How is this possible if it is at the end of tribulation? The Church would certainly be expecting him with everything that had happened.
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  72. Read what is told to the 7 churches in Revelation. There is a message of repent or go through the great tribulation. There are three churches mentioned in Rev:3 with three levels of commitment to God. The spiritually dead, the lukewarm and those on fire for Jesus. The former two, it would seem, are not ready and must be put to the test of that hour.
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  74. How dangerous are post-trib teachings if God himself told you to watch and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape everything that is about to happen? If you believe these teachings would you be watching and praying always that you may be counted worthy to escape? Where does that place your faith in? With God all things are possible.
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  76. Why do Christians believe they all will be imprisoned or put to death? I would die for Jesus a thousand times but where does it say that in the Bible? My grandmother was a Christian and she wasn't imprisoned or put to death. It's satanist that have turned this world into a death cult. Like Prov 8:36 says All who hate God love death, we are supposed to love Life.
  77. Most people aren't even shocked by death anymore. It's all over the movies, TV shows, video games, news and magazines etc. This is why very few care anymore about millions of innocent people being killed in phony wars and in abortions, we're desensitized. Don't be the lukewarm or spiritually dead, come out of Babylon and reject the ways of the heathens, keep your faith and claim your crown.
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  79. God bless you all, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
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