Discussion between Bud0011 and SomeColorMage

[02:25] == bud0011 [62718f40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.113.143.64] has joined #SEIWA
[02:26] <bud0011> hey SomeColorMage
[02:26] <SomeColorMage> Hi
(useless chat about previous chat in which nothing constructive was achieved)
[02:50] <SomeColorMage> I think if we can prove a net gain, we could convince the admins
[02:50] <SomeColorMage> So here's what I'm thinking
[02:50] <SomeColorMage> Start by launching KHWiki as independent and only them
[02:51] <SomeColorMage> If we get proof that this does work, we could have a good standing
[02:51] <bud0011> agreed
[02:52] <SomeColorMage> Most of the other potential alliance members are small or dead anyway
[02:52] <bud0011> well, i can help get them out.
[02:52] <bud0011> i just have no place to put them, atm
[02:52] <bud0011> http://fzero.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Leaving_Wikia_Related_Discussions
[02:53] <bud0011> i am helping get the F-Zero Wiki off wikia
[02:53] <SomeColorMage> Hmm
[02:54]  * bud0011 start logging
[02:54] <SomeColorMage> Well, one wiki at a time, I guess
[02:54] <bud0011> true
[02:55] <bud0011> something i will want to bring up in the next meeting:
[02:55] <bud0011> how many wiki's should we wait for before SEIWA is launched?
[02:55] <bud0011> (assuming independence is choosen
[02:55] <bud0011> )
[02:56] <SomeColorMage> Well, it depends on the size
[02:56] <bud0011> true
[02:56] <SomeColorMage> 3 big wikis would work
[02:56] <SomeColorMage> But, that'd probably be KH, FF, and something else
[02:56] <bud0011> hm...
[02:57] <SomeColorMage> I don't really know the answer to this one
[02:57] <bud0011> neither do i
[02:58] <bud0011> i got it!
[02:58] <bud0011> the SE Wiki
[02:59] <SomeColorMage> Hmm?
[02:59] <bud0011> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Square_Enix_Portal#Domain_name
[03:00] <SomeColorMage> Ah
[03:00] <SomeColorMage> I kinda glanced over parts of that
[03:00] <bud0011> If i am reading it correctly, The_Inexistent wants the SE Wiki to be SEIWA's main site
[03:00] <SomeColorMage> I didn't know that SEIWA was a big idea until 2 days ago, so it's a bit tl;dr
[03:00] <bud0011> it happens
[03:01] <SomeColorMage> I think I get
[03:01] <SomeColorMage> it
[03:01] <SomeColorMage> Kinda like http://square.wikia.com/wiki/Squarewiki ?
[03:01] <bud0011> indeed
[03:01] <bud0011> how active is that wiki?
[03:01] <SomeColorMage> Squarewiki is another one FFWiki colonised at one point
[03:01] <SomeColorMage> But I don't think it was used much
[03:02] <bud0011> ok
[03:02] <bud0011> does that wiki only cover pre-merger games?
[03:02] <SomeColorMage> I dunno
[03:02] <SomeColorMage> But SilverCrono is the only Recent Activity name I recognise
[03:03] <bud0011> ok.
[03:03] <SomeColorMage> And Crono's on our side
[03:03] <SomeColorMage> Something goes right!
[03:03]  * bud0011 nods
[03:04] <bud0011> http://squareenix.wikia.com/wiki/Square_Enix_Wiki
[03:05] <bud0011> it has 5 content pages
[03:05] <SomeColorMage> Didn't know about that one
[03:05] <SomeColorMage> That may be one to ignore though
[03:05] <bud0011> agreed
[03:05] <SomeColorMage> The main page is all links to other wikis
[03:06] <bud0011> maybe we can take the Square wiki and expand it to a SE Wiki
[03:06] <SomeColorMage> OK, the staff is Bluer and two people I don't know
[03:06] <SomeColorMage> Square wiki may not fly
[03:06] <SomeColorMage> But
[03:06] <SomeColorMage> We can easily make our own
[03:07] <bud0011> true
[03:07] <SomeColorMage> Assuming this is like a central thing
[03:07] <SomeColorMage> You know, if we have a wiki for it, we annex the information there
[03:08] <SomeColorMage> Double But
[03:08] <bud0011> 0_0
[03:08] <SomeColorMage> Bluer is not active on Square Wiki
[03:08] <SomeColorMage> It's just someone called Icysugarspike
[03:08] <SomeColorMage> It may go after all
[03:09] <bud0011> alright.
[03:09] <SomeColorMage> I honestly don't know what'll happen there
[03:09] <SomeColorMage> If it joins, good, if not, no big loss
[03:09] <bud0011> what we are going to need to do is contact anyone who may still care for the variuos wiki's, even if the wiki is abandoned.
[03:10] <SomeColorMage> If the wiki is abandoned, it's pretty much free
[03:11] <SomeColorMage> If you want to be really formal, you could ask Wikia staff
[03:11] <SomeColorMage> But you can still legally copy it, credit Wikia, then turn it into our own wiki
[03:11] <bud0011> "Dear Wikia Staff, i would like to take charge of X wiki b/ci wish to take it off of wikia...."
[03:12] <SomeColorMage> Yeah, that won't work :P
[03:12] <SomeColorMage> If you move a wiki, Wikia keeps a copy anyway
[03:12] <SomeColorMage> So like they care
[03:12] <bud0011> yea....
[03:14] <bud0011> so anyway, we need three active wiki's
[03:14] <SomeColorMage> of decent size
[03:14] <bud0011> and then we need to put them in a room so they can start voting on new members.....
[03:14] <bud0011> or start new wikis
[03:15] <SomeColorMage> brb
[03:16] <bud0011> for example, right around the time NIWA was launched, WiKirby and Metroid Wiki were started by people from Zelda Wiki.
[03:16] <bud0011> But they didn't become part of NIWA until they were ready
[03:16] <bud0011> ok
[03:18] <SomeColorMage> back
[03:18] <bud0011> what i need to keep remebering, is what works for niwa may not work for everyone else.
[03:18] <bud0011> welcome back
[03:19] <SomeColorMage> A lot should work though
[03:19] <bud0011> true
[03:23] <bud0011> do you think the FF and KH wikis would have enough users to work on other wikis, as they were brought over?
[03:23] <SomeColorMage> Yea
[03:24] <SomeColorMage> How do you think the KHWiki got so big?
[03:24] <SomeColorMage> Us
[03:24] <bud0011> makes sense.
[03:25] <bud0011> Then what might happen, is 1) just the two wikis are exported 2) SEIWA forums are set up 3) each time a new wiki is either opened or brought over, a thread is made on the forums asking for people to come over and help improve the wiki
[03:26] <SomeColorMage> Right
[03:26] <SomeColorMage> But like I mentioned earlier, prove that KHWiki can do it first
[03:26] <bud0011> yeap
[03:26] <SomeColorMage> It'll remove a lot of doubt
[03:28] <SomeColorMage> The KHWiki is moving regardless of SEIWA, right?
[03:28] <bud0011> pending the results of the revote
[03:28] <SomeColorMage> Oh, right
[03:28] <SomeColorMage> But they are towards leaving if the last vote is an indication
[03:29] <bud0011> yeap.
[03:29] <bud0011> Maybe i should offer to help run the vote.
[03:29] <SomeColorMage> Well, good luck with that
[03:29] <bud0011> :)
[03:30] <bud0011> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Where_will_we_go%3F#Revoting
[03:30] <bud0011> i list the 5(?) options you guys have, as far as i know
[03:32] <SomeColorMage> Well, I'm not a KHWiki person, so while a am pro move, I think they might remove the vote of someone with only 9 edits
[03:32] <SomeColorMage> All of which are over a year ago
[03:32] <bud0011> this is true
[03:32] <bud0011> did i ask you which wiki you came from....?
[03:32] <SomeColorMage> FFWiki
[03:32] <bud0011> ok, then i didn't
[03:33] <bud0011> are you an admin there?
[03:33] <SomeColorMage> I'm not a staff
[03:33] <SomeColorMage> However, I've been there a few years, so I have some saying power
[03:34] <SomeColorMage> I managed to get people to keep the main forum board on topic :)
[03:34] <bud0011> nice
[03:35] <SomeColorMage> And I'm friends with Yuan, so I have an in route with the admins
[03:35] <SomeColorMage> Not a strong one, but they'll listen to me
[03:35] <SomeColorMage> Sometimes
[03:36] <SomeColorMage> A lot of the active admins are pretty stuck on not wanting to move
[03:36] <SomeColorMage> For the time being, anyway
[03:36] <SomeColorMage> Which just leads back to the KHWiki thing
[03:36] <bud0011> yeap
[03:37] <bud0011> http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Wikia_Transition <-- do you think i should post there?
[03:37] <bud0011> about SEIWA, i mean
[03:37] <SomeColorMage> That topic's kinda dead
[03:37] <SomeColorMage> You want to propose it now, start a new topic
[03:38] <bud0011> Under "Rin's Travel Agency!"?
[03:38] <SomeColorMage> Yep
[03:38] <bud0011> would now be a good time, or should i wait until sometime later ?
[03:39] <SomeColorMage> Hmm
[03:39] <SomeColorMage> I'd wait a day
[03:39] <SomeColorMage> Get our next big meeting going
[03:39] <bud0011> good idea. I shouldn't be posting at 4 AM anyway....
[03:39] <SomeColorMage> Make sure everyone knows about what we're thinking with launching KHWiki first, then SEIWA
[03:40] <bud0011> indeed
[03:40] <SomeColorMage> Also, 4 AM?
[03:40] <SomeColorMage> What's your timezone?
[03:40] <bud0011> Eastern, in the US
[03:40] <SomeColorMage> I'm in Sydney, so it's only about 8PM here
[03:41] <bud0011> anyway. I am out of topics to talk about.
[03:42] <bud0011> anything else you got?
[03:42] <SomeColorMage> Nope
[03:42] <bud0011> ok.
[03:42]  * bud0011 logging off
[03:43] <SomeColorMage> OK
[03:43] <SomeColorMage> Bye
[03:43] <bud0011> i am going to pastebin this, and then post it the the SEP topic
[03:43] <SomeColorMage> I'll be going too, not much to talk about if someone else shows up
[03:43] <SomeColorMage> Understood
[03:44] <SomeColorMage> Again, bye
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