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  7. Channel ID: -34569002
  8. Channel Name: Private Chat (alone)
  9. Listener: Tamin Karthis
  10. Session started: 2012.10.31 15:23:16
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  13. [ 2012.10.31 15:23:19 ] Tamin Karthis > hi
  14. [ 2012.10.31 15:23:19 ] Robert Anninen > o/
  15. [ 2012.10.31 15:23:23 ] Robert Anninen > you want the eve board?
  16. [ 2012.10.31 15:23:25 ] Tamin Karthis > do you have an eveboard for the character?
  17. [ 2012.10.31 15:23:27 ] Tamin Karthis > yes pls
  18. [ 2012.10.31 15:23:46 ] Robert Anninen > http://eveboard.com/pilot/Robert_Anninen
  19. [ 2012.10.31 15:23:50 ] Robert Anninen > Parola is the password
  20. [ 2012.10.31 15:24:17 ] Robert Anninen > 1 extra billion and you also get this Tenkku
  21. [ 2012.10.31 15:26:28 ] Robert Anninen > he gets 640 DPS on it
  22. [ 2012.10.31 15:26:32 ] Robert Anninen > without overheating
  23. [ 2012.10.31 15:26:51 ] Robert Anninen > in a couple of theys hopefully he will reach 700
  24. [ 2012.10.31 15:27:05 ] Tamin Karthis > not really interested in the ship I'm afraid, but I'll certainly give you 2bil for the character
  25. [ 2012.10.31 15:27:18 ] Tamin Karthis > you are aware you need to be in an NPC corp in order to transfer tho?
  26. [ 2012.10.31 15:27:18 ] Robert Anninen > well how does this char trade works?
  27. [ 2012.10.31 15:27:27 ] Robert Anninen > no roles in here
  28. [ 2012.10.31 15:27:32 ] Robert Anninen > i can quit at any time if i need to transfer
  29. [ 2012.10.31 15:27:44 ] Tamin Karthis > I should also point out that character trading is the only thing CCP will actually viewing as 'illegal' scamming
  30. [ 2012.10.31 15:28:09 ] Tamin Karthis > ie, if you just take the isk, I can petition and get it back/char gets banned
  31. [ 2012.10.31 15:28:13 ] Tamin Karthis > I'm sure you're honest
  32. [ 2012.10.31 15:28:15 ] Robert Anninen > is there any place where i can read all the rules about this trading?
  33. [ 2012.10.31 15:28:22 ] Tamin Karthis > but you were advertising in jita local ;)
  34. [ 2012.10.31 15:28:29 ] Tamin Karthis > yeh, 2secs
  35. [ 2012.10.31 15:28:43 ] Robert Anninen > i have a friend who sold his char like this too and he was fine
  36. [ 2012.10.31 15:28:52 ] Tamin Karthis > yeh, I buy chars a lot
  37. [ 2012.10.31 15:29:12 ] Tamin Karthis > it's normally fine, was just the advertising in local made me mention it ;p
  38. [ 2012.10.31 15:29:14 ] Robert Anninen > i just need to find a better way to get isk and i will have a proper one
  39. [ 2012.10.31 15:29:43 ] Tamin Karthis > https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread
  40. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:17 ] Robert Anninen > let me read them first please,i wanna be sure this is safe
  41. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:22 ] Tamin Karthis > no worries
  42. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:22 ] Robert Anninen > first time i do it
  43. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:24 ] Tamin Karthis > yeh, it's fine
  44. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:27 ] Tamin Karthis > I send you isk first
  45. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:29 ] Tamin Karthis > to that char
  46. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:37 ] Tamin Karthis > then you transfer the char to the account name I give you
  47. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:45 ] Tamin Karthis > (after you remove the isk from the char ;)
  48. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:47 ] Robert Anninen > on the CCP website right?
  49. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:53 ] Tamin Karthis > yeh
  50. [ 2012.10.31 15:30:57 ] Tamin Karthis > in account management
  51. [ 2012.10.31 15:31:01 ] Robert Anninen > wait there is also something i should tell you
  52. [ 2012.10.31 15:31:02 ] Robert Anninen > 1 moment
  53. [ 2012.10.31 15:31:05 ] Tamin Karthis > no worries
  54. [ 2012.10.31 15:31:09 ] Tamin Karthis > just gonna have a smoke
  55. [ 2012.10.31 15:31:22 ] Robert Anninen > it expires in 22 days
  56. [ 2012.10.31 15:31:27 ] Robert Anninen > i paid for it 8 days ago
  57. [ 2012.10.31 15:39:32 ] Tamin Karthis > well, you can still use the account and either transfer or start a new character on it
  58. [ 2012.10.31 15:39:49 ] Robert Anninen > ah i tought its the char not the account
  59. [ 2012.10.31 15:40:01 ] Tamin Karthis > it is
  60. [ 2012.10.31 15:40:09 ] Tamin Karthis > you keep the account and the character is moved off it
  61. [ 2012.10.31 15:40:13 ] Tamin Karthis > the sub is tied to the account
  62. [ 2012.10.31 15:40:21 ] Robert Anninen > ah okay
  63. [ 2012.10.31 15:42:17 ] Robert Anninen > so i need 2 plexes to transfer it?
  64. [ 2012.10.31 15:42:44 ] Tamin Karthis > yup
  65. [ 2012.10.31 15:42:51 ] Tamin Karthis > or can pay with credit card
  66. [ 2012.10.31 15:43:12 ] Robert Anninen > ill go on the website and see what other details i need
  67. [ 2012.10.31 15:43:38 ] Robert Anninen > account name
  68. [ 2012.10.31 15:43:39 ] Robert Anninen > thats all
  69. [ 2012.10.31 15:43:45 ] Tamin Karthis > yup
  70. [ 2012.10.31 15:44:18 ] Robert Anninen > how about we each pay for 1 plex?:D
  71. [ 2012.10.31 15:44:46 ] Tamin Karthis > I can give you 2.5bil for the char certainly
  72. [ 2012.10.31 15:44:50 ] Tamin Karthis > that'll cover one of the plexes
  73. [ 2012.10.31 15:44:53 ] Robert Anninen > ok
  74. [ 2012.10.31 15:45:12 ] Robert Anninen > fuuuck
  75. [ 2012.10.31 15:45:13 ] Tamin Karthis > as I say, you get the isk before you transfer, so you can use that to pay for the plex
  76. [ 2012.10.31 15:45:26 ] Robert Anninen > cheapest plex price its 592
  77. [ 2012.10.31 15:45:28 ] Robert Anninen > damn
  78. [ 2012.10.31 15:45:32 ] Robert Anninen > i have to transfer it off another char
  79. [ 2012.10.31 15:45:39 ] Robert Anninen > 1 sec
  80. [ 2012.10.31 15:45:40 ] Tamin Karthis > no worries
  81. [ 2012.10.31 15:47:33 ] Robert Anninen > ok
  82. [ 2012.10.31 15:47:35 ] Robert Anninen > i got it
  83. [ 2012.10.31 15:49:35 ] Robert Anninen > just noticed that i can change the pod name :D
  84. [ 2012.10.31 15:50:00 ] Tamin Karthis > I never knew that
  85. [ 2012.10.31 15:50:41 ] Robert Anninen > so what now?
  86. [ 2012.10.31 15:51:13 ] Tamin Karthis > ok, firstly you need to leave corp
  87. [ 2012.10.31 15:51:28 ] Robert Anninen > there is no rights
  88. [ 2012.10.31 15:51:31 ] Robert Anninen > i can leave any second
  89. [ 2012.10.31 15:51:35 ] Robert Anninen > i quited them yesterday morning
  90. [ 2012.10.31 15:51:40 ] Robert Anninen > at like 0800 eve time
  91. [ 2012.10.31 15:51:51 ] Tamin Karthis > yeh, but you need to leave corp as the first step
  92. [ 2012.10.31 15:52:36 ] Robert Anninen > can you tell me all the steps pleasE?
  93. [ 2012.10.31 15:52:47 ] Tamin Karthis > sure
  94. [ 2012.10.31 15:52:50 ] Tamin Karthis > you need to leave corp
  95. [ 2012.10.31 15:52:56 ] Tamin Karthis > then make a new thread here; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277
  96. [ 2012.10.31 15:53:12 ] Robert Anninen > why a thread?
  97. [ 2012.10.31 15:53:14 ] Tamin Karthis > all you need to state in the thread is that it's a private sale and confirm that you have a positive wallet on the char
  98. [ 2012.10.31 15:53:25 ] Tamin Karthis > to confirm positive wallet and for security
  99. [ 2012.10.31 15:54:02 ] Tamin Karthis > I will then post in the thread confirming I have sent ISK and you then transfer the character to the account name I will give you
  100. [ 2012.10.31 15:54:03 ] Robert Anninen > 90 000 wallent standing 2.2 as you can see
  101. [ 2012.10.31 15:54:17 ] Tamin Karthis > I'll then confirm transfer when I receive the email
  102. [ 2012.10.31 15:54:38 ] Tamin Karthis > oh, you'll obviously want to move your assets off of that char
  103. [ 2012.10.31 15:54:57 ] Robert Anninen > already moved them
  104. [ 2012.10.31 15:55:02 ] Robert Anninen > i read what ccp written there
  105. [ 2012.10.31 15:55:10 ] Robert Anninen > all money and assets moved
  106. [ 2012.10.31 15:55:13 ] Tamin Karthis > if you link me the thread once you've made it
  107. [ 2012.10.31 15:55:25 ] Robert Anninen > why do i have to do that?
  108. [ 2012.10.31 15:55:44 ] Tamin Karthis > it prevents me scamming you
  109. [ 2012.10.31 15:55:57 ] Robert Anninen > well you said you trust me
  110. [ 2012.10.31 15:55:59 ] Robert Anninen > so i trust you :)
  111. [ 2012.10.31 15:56:15 ] Robert Anninen > and i dont think there is any way you could scam me
  112. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:02 ] Tamin Karthis > ok, let me rephrase that
  113. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:04 ] Tamin Karthis > I trust you
  114. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:07 ] Tamin Karthis > but I'm not stupid
  115. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:16 ] Tamin Karthis > make the thread please
  116. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:38 ] Robert Anninen > im not waisting time to create accounts on forums and do useless posts
  117. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:40 ] Robert Anninen > i found another client anyways
  118. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:49 ] Tamin Karthis > you have a forum account
  119. [ 2012.10.31 15:58:53 ] Tamin Karthis > it's your eve account
  120. [ 2012.10.31 15:59:23 ] Tamin Karthis > and it's not a useless post
  121. [ 2012.10.31 15:59:32 ] Tamin Karthis > it is evidence of the sale
  122. [ 2012.10.31 15:59:48 ] Robert Anninen > isnt the character transfer the evidence?lol
  123. [ 2012.10.31 16:00:13 ] Tamin Karthis > not if it doesn't happen
  124. [ 2012.10.31 16:00:36 ] Tamin Karthis > I'd still be able to petition the isk back based on the log of this chat, but it's a lot more effort
  125. [ 2012.10.31 16:00:46 ] Tamin Karthis > and I'm not a fan of effort
  126. [ 2012.10.31 16:06:10 ] Tamin Karthis > ironically, if you continue to refuse to make a thread then I can petition you for scamming using character sales and get your account(s) banned anyway
  127. [ 2012.10.31 16:06:17 ] Tamin Karthis > so that'll be fun
  128. [ 2012.10.31 16:06:51 ] Robert Anninen > http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=433
  129. [ 2012.10.31 16:06:54 ] Robert Anninen > thats all i have to do
  130. [ 2012.10.31 16:07:16 ] Tamin Karthis > yes
  131. [ 2012.10.31 16:07:24 ] Tamin Karthis > that is the mechanical process for transfering a character
  132. [ 2012.10.31 16:07:40 ] Robert Anninen > thats all i need
  133. [ 2012.10.31 16:07:45 ] Robert Anninen > or you want some roleplaying lol?
  134. [ 2012.10.31 16:07:52 ] Tamin Karthis > that doesn't relate to preventing you scamming
  135. [ 2012.10.31 16:08:09 ] Tamin Karthis > that is what a thread is for
  136. [ 2012.10.31 16:08:11 ] Tamin Karthis > evidence
  137. [ 2012.10.31 16:08:29 ] Tamin Karthis > the fact you refuse to make one is highly suspicious
  138. [ 2012.10.31 16:08:41 ] Robert Anninen > http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=433 its all i need to
  139. [ 2012.10.31 16:08:42 ] Robert Anninen > do
  140. [ 2012.10.31 16:08:53 ] Tamin Karthis > while those are indeed the steps to transfering a character
  141. [ 2012.10.31 16:09:02 ] Tamin Karthis > that does not relate to how sales are conducted
  142. [ 2012.10.31 16:09:18 ] Robert Anninen > well give me an official CCP link from it
  143. [ 2012.10.31 16:09:47 ] Tamin Karthis > https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread
  144. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:04 ] Tamin Karthis > 1. The 'For Sale/Auction' post must be made by the character being offered. This is being added to prevent scams for characters that have been misrepresented, banned, non-existent, etc.
  145. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:11 ] Tamin Karthis > No other form of trade is sanctioned or supported.
  146. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:12 ] Tamin Karthis > ie
  147. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:16 ] Tamin Karthis > if you don't make a thread
  148. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:24 ] Tamin Karthis > then it's de facto a scam
  149. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:27 ] Robert Anninen > thats if you sell it on the baazar
  150. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:43 ] Tamin Karthis > No other form of trade is sanctioned or supported.
  151. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:55 ] Tamin Karthis > ie, if you sell a character without a thread
  152. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:57 ] Tamin Karthis > it's a scam
  153. [ 2012.10.31 16:10:59 ] Tamin Karthis > automatically
  154. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:02 ] Robert Anninen > how?
  155. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:06 ] Tamin Karthis > the fact you refuse to make a thread
  156. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:10 ] Tamin Karthis > is in fact evidence of scamming
  157. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:21 ] Robert Anninen > well ok
  158. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:23 ] Robert Anninen > no one forces you
  159. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:23 ] Tamin Karthis > so your accounts can be banned if I make a petition
  160. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:31 ] Tamin Karthis > just based on this chat
  161. [ 2012.10.31 16:11:57 ] Tamin Karthis > that is what the start of that thread means
  162. [ 2012.10.31 16:12:16 ] Tamin Karthis > if you don't make a thread selling your character
  163. [ 2012.10.31 16:12:27 ] Tamin Karthis > I will petition for character trade scamming
  164. [ 2012.10.31 16:12:31 ] Tamin Karthis > and you will be banned
  165. [ 2012.10.31 16:12:35 ] Robert Anninen > go ahead
  166. [ 2012.10.31 16:13:29 ] Tamin Karthis > you sure you want that?
  167. [ 2012.10.31 16:13:56 ] Tamin Karthis > there is a reason you don't see people in jita local, the heart of scamming, using character sales when they use every other scam under the sun
  168. [ 2012.10.31 16:14:20 ] Tamin Karthis > I am trying to be reasonable, I would rather you didn't lose your character
  169. [ 2012.10.31 16:14:36 ] Tamin Karthis > but you are effectively admitting to break the EULA here
  170. [ 2012.10.31 16:14:41 ] Tamin Karthis > *breaking
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