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  1. [19:59:02] <bridge> <Loquacious1> It was really fun DLR to see it live
  2. [19:59:10] <bridge> <~Leo> I don't feel unsafe
  3. [19:59:24] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Have spent some time in LA going to theaters, saw some great stuff there
  4. [19:59:24] <bridge> <~Leo> our mods are at their limit with keeping chat safe
  5. [19:59:27] <bridge> <Vanessapad> hi Leo!
  6. [19:59:28] <bridge> <DLR> Loquacious1, i'm not even sure, was that Hair?
  7. [19:59:35] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Yes
  8. [19:59:37] <bridge> <~Leo> and the drive bys and the trolling are not conducive to chat
  9. [19:59:46] <bridge> <~Leo> so we're going to move it to a verified system
  10. [19:59:56] <bridge> <bleak> good idea leo
  11. [19:59:59] <bridge> <Web8814> OK I get that but isn't there a AI way to cleanup chat?
  12. [20:00:02] <bridge> <~Leo> that way it will be easier on the mods
  13. [20:00:07] <bridge> <bleak> i think all your dedicated fans will be happy to register
  14. [20:00:08] <bridge> <Vanessapad> hey that is better news than before!
  15. [20:00:08] <bridge> <~Leo> and a more fun place to be
  16. [20:00:15] <bridge> <~Leo> I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want that
  17. [20:00:22] <bridge> <Leina> That's a good idea Leo
  18. [20:00:22] <bridge> <LonnDawg> o.k. let's do it leo..
  19. [20:00:24] <bridge> <~Leo> unless you like being anonymous in here
  20. [20:00:24] <bridge> <bleak> yup.... drive-by's are impossible to control otherwise
  21. [20:00:26] <bridge> <DLR> I'd be happy to register
  22. [20:00:32] <bridge> <TheGemDr> Leo, I hope a credit card isn't needed?
  23. [20:00:34] <bridge> * ToiLeTBuG is sorta annon*
  24. [20:00:35] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I don't like those drive byes at all, they ruin the fun and disrupt normal flow of conversations
  25. [20:00:38] <bridge> <Web8814> So will HN still have a chat answer section?
  26. [20:00:40] <bridge> <~Leo> I don't know what system we'll use
  27. [20:00:44] <bridge> <~Leo> we're looking at them now
  28. [20:00:50] <bridge> <LonnDawg> Ok
  29. [20:00:57] <bridge> <~Leo> I'd like for it to be free and for people to be able to use handles
  30. [20:01:02] <bridge> <~Leo> but can't guarantee it
  31. [20:01:09] <bridge> <bleak> handles would be great if you can manage leo
  32. [20:01:12] <bridge> <~Leo> Lisa wants to charge a bit to defray the cost
  33. [20:01:19] <bridge> <~Leo> yeah I like the handles
  34. [20:01:27] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> leo!
  35. [20:01:30] <bridge> <bleak> i'd probably kick in, but i think there are many who wouldnt
  36. [20:01:31] <bridge> <OldTech> Have you looked into mandating registered nicks for irc?
  37. [20:01:33] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I've always been Loquacious1 for years
  38. [20:01:35] <bridge> <~Leo> all we're looking for is a way to identify chatters that's better than spoofable IP addresses
  39. [20:01:46] <bridge> <J5_JCH> Leo - i'd pay $3 mth or $30 yr at most to help defray costs
  40. [20:01:54] <bridge> <OldTech> Tie it to verified email addresses, maybe?
  41. [20:01:59] <bridge> <LonnDawg> well let's try it free at first and see what developes
  42. [20:02:02] <bridge> <andrei> theres a cost to charging any amount, some of the chatters will feel entitled to being there and be even more annoyed at every little thing about chat
  43. [20:02:05] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> i have no problem with the paywall.. i'd pay 7$ for some kind of VIP type member benefits
  44. [20:02:06] <bridge> <PcGuy8088> Doing research fun trying to weed through the marketing hype for products
  45. [20:02:08] <bridge> <~Leo> think it throuhg oldtech
  46. [20:02:13] <bridge> <TheGemDr> as long as cash cheque or paypal are allowed Leo
  47. [20:02:17] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Charging isn't going to stop trolls with money J5_JCH
  48. [20:02:20] <bridge> <~Leo> it's easy to create an email addy and verify it
  49. [20:02:24] <bridge> <~Leo> we need something better
  50. [20:02:33] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> Leo I will pay $1 for a year, but you gonna owe me when i answer the gaming editing question on the radio show, ya dont gotta plug me but ya gotta pay me! :P
  51. [20:02:35] <bridge> <OldTech> Hmm, point taken.
  52. [20:02:41] <bridge> <Web8814> What about pateron for payment?
  53. [20:02:43] <bridge> <bleak> there are disposable email services as well
  54. [20:02:45] <bridge> * OldTech is not an irc expert by any means
  55. [20:02:46] <bridge> <LonnDawg> driver's licence
  56. [20:02:46] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> Loquacious1: it wont, but you just need some kind of friction point, to make it harder.
  57. [20:02:49] <bridge> <~Leo> there's got to be a significant speed bump
  58. [20:02:59] <bridge> <~Leo> otherwise the trolls just make new accounts all the time
  59. [20:03:09] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> IRC bot +i invite only channels..
  60. [20:03:11] <bridge> <Loquacious1> But money won't do that
  61. [20:03:20] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> and you message the bot, for invite into the channel
  62. [20:03:22] <bridge> <TNohands> Will it require us to pay a subscription and change or use other specifc irc clients like the ones you have to pay for Leo?
  63. [20:03:30] <bridge> <J5_JCH> Loquacious1: but - you could hit em with a fee for being naughty - like a late fee - like $25 if you had CC info
  64. [20:03:38] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Anyhow, regardless of what I think, it's up to TWiT, not me
  65. [20:03:39] <bridge> <TheGemDr> a green room for chat.
  66. [20:03:48] <bridge> <bleak> time to drink beer
  67. [20:03:49] <bridge> <~Leo> no idea TNohands
  68. [20:03:52] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> TheGemDr: VIP chat lounge :)
  69. [20:03:55] <bridge> <~Leo> depends what we pick
  70. [20:03:56] <bridge> <bleak> thanks for the excellent IO coverage leo
  71. [20:04:11] <bridge> <~Leo> no money is not a verification system
  72. [20:04:16] <bridge> <TJ> moderated with voice privilages works
  73. [20:04:16] <bridge> <bleak> yep
  74. [20:04:26] <bridge> <~Leo> it would only be to pay the mods and for the service
  75. [20:04:28] <bridge> <DLR> yeah, charge for offenses and put the money in a beer fund :-)
  76. [20:04:35] <bridge> <bleak> phone numebrs (although also generatable) are probably a reasonable verification system
  77. [20:04:41] <bridge> <Loquacious1> So you want to play cop J5_JCH? Issue tickets?
  78. [20:04:41] <bridge> <~Leo> no they are not
  79. [20:04:46] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> DLR, I am with ya on that one
  80. [20:04:47] <bridge> <~Leo> I know Bruce's numbers
  81. [20:04:53] <bridge> <Web7539> Hello Leo, I'd pay for the chat, but if the proceeds go to a charity, that would be kind....
  82. [20:04:59] <bridge> <~Leo> but it's easy to create numbers
  83. [20:05:02] <bridge> <TJ> yup
  84. [20:05:06] <bridge> <PcGuy8088> bleak you must of missed the Dr Tipper tip
  85. [20:05:09] <bridge> <~Leo> the money will go to supporting the chat
  86. [20:05:11] <bridge> <~Leo> including mods
  87. [20:05:11] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> ~Leo: keeping the channel invite only would work, the payment would only validate the "invites"
  88. [20:05:13] <bridge> <bleak> hmmmm...... btc to hire a hitman? :P
  89. [20:05:13] <bridge> <PcGuy8088> Dr-Dark
  90. [20:05:18] <bridge> <LonnDawg> that's why you a drivers license,, and a way to verify the name
  91. [20:05:25] <bridge> <~Leo> someone would have to administer the invitation system
  92. [20:05:33] <bridge> <~Leo> we might do that but I'd like something more automatic
  93. [20:05:35] <bridge> <J5_JCH> bleak: plus - some of us use prepaid phones with no data plan so
  94. [20:05:54] <bridge> <TJ> Leo, a moderated chat with people earning voice (+v) privilages could work
  95. [20:05:54] <bridge> <bleak> J5_JCH: you still have a phone number tho :P
  96. [20:05:56] <bridge> <Web2741> trouble with automated system, is they can be gamed
  97. [20:06:00] <bridge> <Web2741> systems
  98. [20:06:01] <bridge> <~Leo> maybe tj
  99. [20:06:02] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> TJ: Yes.
  100. [20:06:06] <bridge> <~Leo> if the mods agree
  101. [20:06:08] <bridge> <DLR> am i correct in assuming you have enough mods? (otherwise I would consider volunteering)
  102. [20:06:15] <bridge> <~Leo> mods are burned out
  103. [20:06:21] <bridge> <TJ> yeah, I understand
  104. [20:06:24] <bridge> <bleak> bbs
  105. [20:06:25] <bridge> <~Leo> we're going to lose most of them the minute we find a system
  106. [20:06:31] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Earning sounds like a new can of worms
  107. [20:06:34] <bridge> <TJ> I used to be a mod in Pirillo's chat a long time ago
  108. [20:06:46] <bridge> <@Keith512> i dont drive LonnDawg
  109. [20:06:51] <bridge> <LonnDawg> Leo , you should not need to many mods.. If the system is under control
  110. [20:06:57] <bridge> <@marmot> TJ: I wondered what those scars were ;)
  111. [20:07:00] <bridge> <~Leo> aexactly LonnDawg
  112. [20:07:03] <bridge> <TJ> ROFL marmot
  113. [20:07:04] <bridge> <LonnDawg> Keith512 you must have some form of ID
  114. [20:07:20] <bridge> <~Leo> what about it marmot? burned out?
  115. [20:07:22] <bridge> <TJ> at times, that chat was like a 3 ring circus with all the trolls
  116. [20:07:25] <bridge> <J5_JCH> bleak: yes - but was just pointing out that not all have full cell phones - etc
  117. [20:07:33] <bridge> <Brandonev> I'm a new member to the chat room, but would love to be able to be a part of the new room if it moves. :D
  118. [20:07:41] <bridge> <@Keith512> a utility bill is all i have
  119. [20:07:41] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I still have Stickam scars, believe it
  120. [20:07:59] <bridge> <~Leo> I'm thinking of some system where you send us a picture with your driver's license or ID
  121. [20:08:05] <bridge> <~Leo> and we mail you a password
  122. [20:08:06] <bridge> <@marmot> Leo: at times but I'm not around as much as I used to be. Moved back to the office with work.
  123. [20:08:14] <bridge> <~Leo> yeah you're not alone marmot
  124. [20:08:19] <bridge> <LonnDawg> Leo that might be an excellent idea
  125. [20:08:21] <bridge> <Leina> I'd be down with that method
  126. [20:08:21] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Oh, I'd never do that
  127. [20:08:25] <bridge> <~Leo> I really really appreciate all you've done over the past few years
  128. [20:08:29] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I like my privacy
  129. [20:08:32] <bridge> <~Leo> it's been a horrible thankless job
  130. [20:08:33] <bridge> <TJ> lol
  131. [20:08:33] <bridge> * @ScooterX has been connected to the IRC since 1997 or so, seen a lot
  132. [20:08:38] <bridge> <@marmot> thanks
  133. [20:08:43] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> marmot, has been a good mod
  134. [20:08:49] <bridge> <Loquacious1> And with good reason, much like you
  135. [20:08:58] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> Leo, did you just say you want to see my Papers*? :)
  136. [20:09:01] <bridge> <~Leo> how many of the mods would be interested in a paid position in a more orderly chat?
  137. [20:09:05] <bridge> <TJ> I have to say that all the current mods have done an excellent job.
  138. [20:09:07] <bridge> <~Leo> yeah papers please
  139. [20:09:11] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> hehe
  140. [20:09:15] <bridge> <J5_JCH> Leo - I'm using webchat on old XP laptop and its very readable to my bad eyes - hope you consider that aspect on any new chat
  141. [20:09:30] <bridge> <@Keith512> dont need paying
  142. [20:09:31] <bridge> <Watson> I"m relatively new too but hope a workable solution can be found so a useful and interesting chat can continue.
  143. [20:09:31] <bridge> <~Leo> of course J5_JCH
  144. [20:09:40] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> do we have chat stats? like how many poeple are active each month?
  145. [20:09:54] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> im wondering if 7 to 10 dollars a month, would even generate enough money
  146. [20:09:57] <bridge> <LonnDawg> look Leo even if someone sends you a picture of there. Drivers license, it still could be a false one, but I would expect that to be an extremely small percentage of people who would do such a thing, and if they joined the chat room and were disruptive you would kick them out..
  147. [20:10:00] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I also have a stalker, I know how important being invisible is
  148. [20:10:08] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> over 10$, just wont work for most people..
  149. [20:10:11] <bridge> <@cwbp> yes nightrain-ke5jxo - we do
  150. [20:10:54] <bridge> <~Leo> exactly - then they'd need to take the time to get a new one
  151. [20:11:02] <bridge> <~Leo> and having a mailing address would also help
  152. [20:11:06] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> Lonndawg, but "showing" of a document or something would give it some lag-time between wanting to troll.. and actual trolling.
  153. [20:11:07] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Actually TWiT already has my information from when I bought bricks on the receipt
  154. [20:11:08] <bridge> <LonnDawg> Yep Leo
  155. [20:11:14] <bridge> <~Leo> I don't mind if it's a fake identity - just that it's hard to create
  156. [20:11:16] <bridge> <J5_JCH> Leo: thanks -- and us twit brick donors are already a known user
  157. [20:11:21] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> i think if you could remove 80% of the bad apples, it would be worth it.
  158. [20:11:24] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> There are 2 things that have been a plague in this irc for a few years now...1 is the nasty comments and just insults, not cool. #2 is the fact a lot of people are mad cause of being kicked for shall we say not a very bad thing to say. censorship makes enemies
  159. [20:11:28] <bridge> <Brandonev> Would the mailing address have to be a physical one?
  160. [20:11:47] <bridge> <LonnDawg> nightrain-ke5jxo well, you don't want to make it easy for them to troll like it is currently
  161. [20:11:47] <bridge> <~Leo> It might be that we can continue to use IRC with some sort of invite system
  162. [20:11:50] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Impossible for me, I'm on an island lol
  163. [20:11:58] <bridge> <~Leo> but we're also looking at commercial alternatives
  164. [20:12:24] <bridge> <OldTech> Leo: I'd really love to see you continue using IRC because I love my client, irssi
  165. [20:12:27] <bridge> <dalepoco> I'm old - "active" for me is a very loose term :)
  166. [20:12:38] <bridge> <OldTech> If possible and pracitcal, that is.
  167. [20:12:49] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> im surprised the chat server hasnt been ddos'ed.
  168. [20:12:51] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> loose as in have a notha drink dalepoco ! Clinky
  169. [20:12:55] <bridge> <Web2741> Where did Dan go
  170. [20:13:05] <bridge> <dalepoco> ToiLeTBuG ty sir clinky
  171. [20:13:13] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Eventually I'll be moving, so guess not much matters when it comes to me anymore
  172. [20:13:17] <bridge> <LonnDawg> oh Leo.. You can only go so far to verify somebody's identity... You want to be totally strict... Then you need it signed by a notary...:-))
  173. [20:13:21] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> irc wars in 1993 were pretty crazy, #warez, #warez1, #warez2 were some seriously fought over irc-realestate
  174. [20:13:38] <bridge> <TNohands> Some of us are limited hexchat is the best win 7 compatible clent easy for me to use could we register a nick for a lower cost and still pay for moderators maybe get volunteers or look for donations so everyone in all situations have access to one of the greatest resource for tech help? Leo
  175. [20:13:40] <bridge> <~Leo> I don't really need to know their true identity - I just need to make signing up take time
  176. [20:13:54] <bridge> <~Leo> then we can kick someone and it will be a lot of trouble to get back with a new identity
  177. [20:14:01] <bridge> <ciamp> Loquacious1…you matter muchly ;)
  178. [20:14:04] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> 48 hour delay should suffice.
  179. [20:14:12] <bridge> <Trex> Leo: The way Twitch does IRC may be of interest to you. It uses OAuth
  180. [20:14:13] <bridge> <OldTech> Seven-day waiting period, maybe?
  181. [20:14:14] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> ~Leo: exactly.
  182. [20:14:18] <bridge> <LonnDawg> Leo .. The first thing to do is to try some type of verification system... And then work from there. As problems occur.. That's the way things are always done, you guys try things on your shows and then modify them as needed
  183. [20:14:23] <bridge> <Watson> good idea Leo
  184. [20:14:27] <bridge> <~Leo> oauth would work
  185. [20:14:35] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> Leo have them all go through #unfiltered and let them be questioned.
  186. [20:14:40] <bridge> <~Leo> at least that would be an identity
  187. [20:14:51] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Oh, well thanks ciamp, that's sweet of you to say
  188. [20:14:57] <bridge> <SgtMuffin> oauth has worked really well for Twitch and a few other IRC communities. You could then build an online registration system that gives them out and revokes them as needed.
  189. [20:14:59] <bridge> <ciamp> true
  190. [20:15:22] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I'm just feeling kinda sad these days, but am trying so hard not to
  191. [20:15:22] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> Leo with a 48 hour delay, you could turn off the new users registratipm when trouble spikes.. and the vetted community continues uninterupted. and new users get delayed
  192. [20:15:58] <bridge> <Trex> Leo: A write up for what they require to connect to their IRC. http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1302780-twitch-irc
  193. [20:16:23] <bridge> <OldTech> I guess the problem with a delay would be patient trolls.
  194. [20:16:29] <bridge> <J5_JCH> nightrain-ke5jxo: but - suppose there is a TTG caller who wants to followup to issue - dont want to force them to wait 48 hrs
  195. [20:16:39] <bridge> <OldTech> Register a bunch of nicks over time, then slam you when you're not expecting it.
  196. [20:16:40] <bridge> <SgtMuffin> You have to make sure you cannot have a bot auto fill the stuff out either.
  197. [20:16:40] <bridge> <ciamp> Loquacious1 …I, as a outsider, unbiased, can honestly say the chat is very much a part of you. A very nice part ;)
  198. [20:16:55] <bridge> <SgtMuffin> Because if it uses a captcha that a bot can figure out it's pointless, they'll find a way.
  199. [20:17:04] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> J5_JCH: thats what i was curious about, and wanted to see stats. are there lots of new faces showing up everyday? or is it us same old folks everday?
  200. [20:17:18] <bridge> <~Leo> and our trolls are nothing if not patient
  201. [20:17:44] <bridge> <OldTech> I'm active on a webcomic forum, and that's been a persistent problem.
  202. [20:17:51] <bridge> <justin> hi cwbp
  203. [20:17:53] <bridge> <@Keith512> there is a natural limit to some extent we have never see the chat room at 4000 people
  204. [20:17:54] <bridge> <nightrain-ke5jxo> ~leo: they seem to treat it like a full time job.. kind of pathetic actually
  205. [20:17:58] <bridge> <SgtMuffin> indeed, so you must make it require a decent level of human work to register, and make it VERY easy for mods to disable the key permanently.
  206. [20:17:59] <bridge> <OldTech> Not trolling, so much as it's spam accounts.
  207. [20:18:07] <bridge> <OldTech> Still annoying for the mods, though.
  208. [20:18:17] <bridge> <@cwbp> hi justin
  209. [20:18:21] <bridge> <justin> how are u
  210. [20:18:26] <bridge> <ciamp> … but my heart belongs to ToiLeTBuG … (I neglected to read the fine print) lol
  211. [20:18:27] <bridge> <J5_JCH> nightrain-ke5jxo: not sure - always seems to be newbies here - and that was example of why too much hassle could be problem for Granny
  212. [20:18:29] <bridge> <@cwbp> p good u?
  213. [20:18:30] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I must reduce stress though ciamp, and sometimes worry too much about everything. After checking my bp... well, I'm concerned about it
  214. [20:18:35] <bridge> <justin> p dec tbqh
  215. [20:18:40] <bridge> <justin> g and t is good
  216. [20:18:45] <bridge> <nightrain> i shoudn't use my ham call sign in here :( to easy to mess with me
  217. [20:18:47] <bridge> <@cwbp> awes
  218. [20:19:06] <bridge> <DLR> i've used the same nick since the ijustine lifecasting days.
  219. [20:19:22] <bridge> <AnroUser> Like spending time in chat as I attempt to not brick my Nexus 5 with Android M
  220. [20:19:23] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> hehe ciamp Cold one your way sir
  221. [20:19:30] <bridge> <nightrain> Sadly, I imagine public figures like Veronica belmont, have to deal with this on a much larger scale.
  222. [20:19:38] <bridge> <ciamp> sir yes sir ;)
  223. [20:19:45] <bridge> <ipad_1234> cheeto r u there
  224. [20:19:50] <bridge> <@cheeto> Hi ipad_1234
  225. [20:19:53] <bridge> <ipad_1234> hi
  226. [20:20:10] <bridge> <cr1> AnroUser, i'm updating a Nexus 5 to 5.1.1. hope it fixes all the bugs in 5.1.0
  227. [20:20:39] <bridge> <ipad_1234> cheeto how r u
  228. [20:20:47] <bridge> <@cheeto> ipad_1234: good
  229. [20:21:03] <bridge> <AnroUser> I was on 5.1.0 seemed okay. just need to clean out some weeds that were slowing me down...
  230. [20:21:04] <bridge> <dalepoco> I sometimes log in from two places e.g. dalepoco from PC and say on phone as dalepococouch - be nice to have a single "key" for authorization into being able to post
  231. [20:21:07] <bridge> <nightrain> maybe not larger scale, but a differnt scale.
  232. [20:21:22] <bridge> <justin> cheeto why do u talk to ipad_1234 but not me
  233. [20:21:23] <bridge> <Web2741> why would she?
  234. [20:21:26] <bridge> <cr1> AnroUser, where did you get M?
  235. [20:21:28] <bridge> <AnroUser> Glas Nexus Root Tookit makes it easy
  236. [20:21:38] <bridge> <@cheeto> justin: bc
  237. [20:21:42] <bridge> <AnroUser> developer.google.com
  238. [20:21:45] <bridge> <Loquacious1> ciamp� I've resigned myself to whatever happens happens, it's how I have to think now, but thanks for being so kind to me :)
  239. [20:21:46] <bridge> <nightrain> i think we should just all move into the brick house.. and interact in person. Create a tech-cult-community
  240. [20:21:59] <bridge> <justin> k
  241. [20:22:05] <bridge> <justin> bye felicia
  242. [20:22:08] <bridge> <cr1> ty AnroUser. i tho like the manual updating way
  243. [20:22:15] <bridge> <AnroUser> Only one mens toilet in there, could get messy
  244. [20:22:19] <bridge> <Loquacious1> I'm going to go rest now
  245. [20:22:36] <bridge> <cr1> take care Loquacious1
  246. [20:22:41] <bridge> <Leina> Have a good rest Loquacious1
  247. [20:22:42] <bridge> <AnroUser> .bat is .bat no matter how you launch it
  248. [20:22:45] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Thx cr1, you too
  249. [20:22:47] <bridge> <dalepoco> later Loq
  250. [20:22:58] <bridge> <Loquacious1> C'ya dalepoco :)
  251. [20:23:04] <bridge> <andrei> its cheetos fault, everything thats going on
  252. [20:23:06] <bridge> <ciamp> Loquacious1 it is selfish of me to merely reflect the light you shine in here for us all
  253. [20:23:09] <bridge> <AnroUser> Woo Hoo its booting!
  254. [20:23:24] <bridge> <andrei> i bet he could have taken down the twitter troll guy somehow months ago!
  255. [20:23:46] <bridge> <TheGemDr> dalepoco, are you following Billy Connolly's Route 66 on Knowledge?
  256. [20:23:55] <bridge> <AnroUser> More than one little troll here, big troll has is own IRC
  257. [20:23:55] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Aww (hug) ciamp :)
  258. [20:24:08] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> Where's the teach? Is Leo still lurkin?
  259. [20:24:13] <bridge> <ciamp> ;)
  260. [20:24:14] <bridge> <dalepoco> nope TheGemDr
  261. [20:24:22] <bridge> <~Leo> yep
  262. [20:24:24] <bridge> * Leina sits on a chair in the back of the room
  263. [20:24:31] <bridge> <~Leo> I'm going to pm all you chat mods
  264. [20:24:44] <bridge> <Loquacious1> Got to run before I drench this keyboard lol
  265. [20:24:50] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> Leo, how about this sir, a bot that takes votes in chat from users to vote kick just like video games,?
  266. [20:24:57] <bridge> <MovieNut> hey leo, where did you get your chair?
  267. [20:25:01] <bridge> <ciamp> gn Loquacious1
  268. [20:25:01] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> 50% you are almosgt banned
  269. [20:25:22] <bridge> <dalepoco> TB too easily gamed
  270. [20:25:43] <bridge> <TheGemDr> it's just started, you can catch up on-line, lots of good tunes as he trikes Route 66 over several episodes. dalepoco
  271. [20:25:47] <bridge> <TNohands> Leo I work with a think tank group in a rented private irc room that has a sign in session that sends an email verification link to activate my nick pre registered for log in privileges I think it's some sort of smtp setup I don't pay the group invited me so I don't know what that costs or really even know who of us are actually paying but it's secure would that setup work for your and our needs I think the rent only pays for the
  272. [20:25:47] <bridge> <TNohands> electricity to run the servers but since you host your own the cost shouldn't be extra for you.
  273. [20:25:50] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> what? it always worked in game
  274. [20:25:53] <bridge> <AnroUser> Leo my best memory is getting pic with you the day Jason returned
  275. [20:26:40] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> dalepoco, in my experience the user thats rude always stops and usually apologises
  276. [20:26:58] <bridge> <J5_JCH> Leo - wondering - could there be a added 2-3 sec delay for live stream for a dump button type thing? like network delay on awards show?
  277. [20:27:34] <bridge> * Trex kinda likes that idea
  278. [20:27:36] <bridge> <AnroUser> Meaning someone has to read, figure out what was said, and hit a button in 3 seconds???
  279. [20:27:47] <bridge> <Web2741> dump button for what?
  280. [20:28:12] <bridge> <AnroUser> Android M still booting... same swirly color dots
  281. [20:28:29] <bridge> <dalepoco> different kind of culprit - in game is almost only a brief flame or a kid just doing for effect - not a dedicated evil-doer on a mission
  282. [20:28:30] <bridge> <cuoops> good luck
  283. [20:28:31] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> Or dalepoco just add a join room before this one and call it Kinergarden and see who graduates
  284. [20:28:40] <bridge> <J5_JCH> AnroUser: to block any host/guest accidents in speech or such
  285. [20:28:42] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> wait bad idea we'd both still be in there
  286. [20:28:50] <bridge> <LonnDawg> Leo, I can't foresee all the liabilities, but I'm sure you've thought about the concerns that she will absorb, by collecting such data as a picture of someone's ID or any thing with that kind of data. I'm sure you're way ahead of me on this concern
  287. [20:28:52] <bridge> <TNohands> Just a thought Leo PadreSJ may know how that suggestion works
  288. [20:28:53] <bridge> <dalepoco> and drunk
  289. [20:29:02] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> Hahaha! Sir Clinky
  290. [20:29:10] <bridge> <Web2741> i thought td were photoshopping things in though?
  291. [20:29:20] <bridge> <AnroUser> Perhaps a dump button on the stream.... seems to be the vector where stuff gets out
  292. [20:29:56] <bridge> <DLR> yeah, it's bad enough that we get hacked through the IRS -- don't need another place to get hacked.
  293. [20:30:17] <bridge> <J5_JCH> AnroUser: thats what i mean - a miminal delay wouldnt affect live-ness but give safety net a bit
  294. [20:30:41] <bridge> <nightrain> i think in 10 days from now, we'll be back to business as usual
  295. [20:30:56] <bridge> <@cwbp> Leo, thanks.... I will email you
  296. [20:30:59] <bridge> <nightrain> some lame folks who want to annoy us.
  297. [20:31:09] <bridge> <@Keith512> i will so the same
  298. [20:31:13] <bridge> <AnroUser> its all ready about 15-30 seconds behind now. But a big responsibility for the TD to have to watch for every little thing that goes out on the stream
  299. [20:32:03] <bridge> <J5_JCH> AnroUser: well if a host yelps, its a good sign that something happened
  300. [20:32:32] <bridge> <OldTech> You guys are making a better argument for going to all pre-records, you know.
  301. [20:33:02] <bridge> <AnroUser> Sometimes its a really small thing that gets out that gets magnified by the unwashed
  302. [20:33:03] <bridge> <nightrain> this whole thing got blown out of proporation.. no one cares or was offended. the trolls just used it as ammunition.. give them anything, and they're going to have a field day.
  303. [20:33:30] <bridge> <J5_JCH> OldTech: not really - just like Live w kelly & micheal isnt exactly live - its on a 7sec type delay
  304. [20:34:17] <bridge> <OldTech> Right, and there's a rather large staff of people watching the entire things, so multiple sets of eyes and ears to catch the occasional oopsie.
  305. [20:34:27] <bridge> <OldTech> Twit has one guy at the console, iirc.
  306. [20:34:51] <bridge> <Web7539> Just get various Staple size buttons in all sets and mute the stream! that way the presenter has the control of what goes out, and in between just have a cam feed with no audio...
  307. [20:35:17] <bridge> <J5_JCH> OldTech: true - but hosts could have equiv of cough button as well
  308. [20:35:26] <bridge> <nightrain> a video cough button
  309. [20:35:27] <bridge> <nightrain> :)
  310. [20:35:41] <bridge> <OldTech> I think the cam feed is just as vulnerable, since things like phones get accidentally flashed on screen.
  311. [20:35:51] <bridge> <AnroUser> And the host needs to know in time that something went wrong.... assumes a lot
  312. [20:35:55] <bridge> <~Leo> thanks cwbp
  313. [20:36:00] <bridge> <~Leo> I really appreciate
  314. [20:36:01] <bridge> <~Leo> it
  315. [20:36:03] <bridge> <OldTech> One clear frame is all it takes for info to escape.
  316. [20:36:03] <bridge> <~Leo> is can0k
  317. [20:36:10] <bridge> <~Leo> out completely?
  318. [20:37:05] <bridge> <J5_JCH> AnroUser: true - but now we have NO delay so no chance to catch anything so something is better was my thought
  319. [20:37:28] <bridge> <justin> ttk hey john parrot
  320. [20:37:43] <bridge> <PcGuy8088> AnroUser: the only reason its 15 sec delay is because the stream has to be transcoded on the fly I believe by the providers like bg or ustream so that delay is being implemented after any cut off point
  321. [20:38:04] <bridge> <AnroUser> Since what the miscreants want are Leo flubs... which might seem harmless at the time.... might not do the trick
  322. [20:38:55] <bridge> <cr1> was the video stream the vector for the trolling. i thought the trolling culprit is twitter itself
  323. [20:39:00] <bridge> <@Keith512> ok it late and my back has given out i need to get some sleep i will be back later
  324. [20:39:16] <bridge> <cr1> bye Keith512 the op with tea
  325. [20:39:22] <bridge> <~Leo> way too hard to do a delay on video
  326. [20:39:24] <bridge> <~Leo> very expensive
  327. [20:39:56] <bridge> <iPad_20180> evening all
  328. [20:40:08] <bridge> <dalepoco> gn Keith512
  329. [20:40:18] <bridge> <cr1> hi iPad_20180
  330. [20:40:23] <bridge> <OldTech> A simpler solution to video leakage might be live-streaming a fixed camera, but recording using all the other angles.
  331. [20:40:32] <bridge> <@Keith512> night
  332. [20:41:13] <bridge> <OldTech> For ex. at the round-table, one wide angle shot for live stream, while the TD uses the tricaster to record singles and overheads for the editors.
  333. [20:41:24] <bridge> <J5_JCH> leo - ok - just was wondering - thanks -
  334. [20:41:34] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> Cool, Ohio State mug.
  335. [20:41:46] <bridge> <nightrain> Leo: I'm sure this isnt the place to talk about it, but have sponsors reached out and confirmed their steadfast support?
  336. [20:42:06] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> is Leo here?
  337. [20:42:18] <bridge> <@can0k> Leo: I PM'd you
  338. [20:42:19] <bridge> <iPad_20180> I want a quad copter, but I"m too cheap to buy a really good one
  339. [20:42:25] <bridge> <OldTech> He's lurking and private chatting, I think, MarcPelletier
  340. [20:42:59] <bridge> <Noblin> Get a cheap quad first. Cuz you're gonna wreck your first one.
  341. [20:43:16] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> Leo, looking forward to the discussion with Tony Star... I mean Justin on the 15th...
  342. [20:43:18] <bridge> <~Leo> sponsors have reached out and expressed their concern. The troll is writing to each and every one of them and sending them links to his site, etc.
  343. [20:43:25] <bridge> <iPad_20180> that"s what I figured, plus the wife frowns upon another hobby
  344. [20:43:35] <bridge> <justin> What's on the 15th, MarcPelletier
  345. [20:43:39] <bridge> <~Leo> Most are savvy enough to understand that it's just trolling. A few we have had to talk down off the ledge.
  346. [20:43:52] <bridge> <phil> all this fuss over a harmless picture.. sad anyone would give it a second thought.. or a first one
  347. [20:43:55] <bridge> <Noblin> what a scumbag
  348. [20:43:58] <bridge> <~Leo> I'm not kidding when I say he is trying to put us out of business
  349. [20:44:04] <bridge> <Web2741> oh my god. use a production machine without personal accounts on air, and dont talk about sticky business or employee matters on air/dropcams. the ammunition they have was hand fed to them !
  350. [20:44:13] <bridge> <~Leo> it's not just his faked dick pick
  351. [20:44:14] <bridge> <cr1> sadly, all business will deal with this in future.
  352. [20:44:23] <bridge> <~Leo> it's many many more things over an 18 month period
  353. [20:44:26] <bridge> <Web7835> that picture wasnt fake..wtf, i was watching live
  354. [20:44:30] <bridge> <Web7835> how was it fake?
  355. [20:44:32] <bridge> <AnroUser> Saw the letter he drafted to Premier... sad
  356. [20:44:35] <bridge> <Web2741> you actually think people belive that dick stream was faked?
  357. [20:44:52] <bridge> <phil> who cares
  358. [20:44:57] <bridge> <Mogwai> Leo. do what you need to do.
  359. [20:44:58] <bridge> <cr1> aha, the trolls are trolled.
  360. [20:45:02] <bridge> <Web7835> just apologize for it and move on leo
  361. [20:45:04] <bridge> <nightrain> Web2741: why are you here? sometimes you have to toe a company line no matter what, welcome to business.
  362. [20:45:11] <bridge> <nightrain> tow a company line
  363. [20:45:24] <bridge> <Noblin> it doesn't matter what it was, tbh. Things happen. People have personal lives and personal content. Using that to stir up garbage is dumb.
  364. [20:45:34] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> Hang in there Leo. Keep your chin up high, you"ve built a solid network with great content.
  365. [20:45:37] <bridge> <Mogwai> Your true fans understand.
  366. [20:45:49] <bridge> * PcGuy8088 likes the /ignore web* filters sure cuts down the chaff
  367. [20:45:54] <bridge> <nightrain> mogwai: yes
  368. [20:45:54] <bridge> <Web7835> yes..so apologize, make sure it doesnt happen again and move on. no reason to make up lies and shut down the chat room / live stream
  369. [20:45:54] <bridge> <Trex> Oh the effort put into trolling. The cancers we could cure with that effort.
  370. [20:46:50] <bridge> <Mogwai> I'll still watch and love the show, without being in IRC.
  371. [20:46:51] <bridge> <Noblin> Trex, that's what I don't get. I mean I can understand being in a huff over something for a short bit, but when it goes on for years that's a sign of serious instability
  372. [20:46:51] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> different Justin justin
  373. [20:47:08] <bridge> <AnroUser> Presidential campaigns have trolls, its called "opposition research" and the trolls who gather the s*** are called "trackers"
  374. [20:47:10] <bridge> <iPad_20180> oh yeah, the effort they put into putting that pic in there and then promoting it, be great employees if they put that effort in to any real job
  375. [20:47:17] <bridge> <justin> MarcPelletier: I know; I just like to reply when my name is pinged.
  376. [20:47:37] <bridge> <@cheeto> justin
  377. [20:47:43] <bridge> <justin> what cheeto
  378. [20:47:44] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> justin!
  379. [20:47:48] <bridge> <justin> marc!
  380. [20:47:58] <bridge> <nightrain> If you don't like LEO, create you own tech network and battle it out and win support, but don't just sit back and throw salt at someone whos doing it well..
  381. [20:48:15] <bridge> <Web2741> nightrain, what company line? Why do people want to just eat up lies? Whos trolling who now? is that the kind of twit irc followers he wants? morons?
  382. [20:48:19] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> tune in on Monday afternoon of the 15th!
  383. [20:48:26] <bridge> *** marmot sets mode +b *!*@53CF59.9E44DF.FB25AC.EFC41B
  384. [20:48:26] <bridge> *** marmot kicked Web2741 (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.)
  385. [20:48:54] <bridge> <cr1> marmot, you kicked Bruce too soon. we almost had him in the net
  386. [20:49:11] <bridge> <cr1> now we have buy more worms.
  387. [20:49:13] <bridge> <J5_JCH> AnroUser: and its not the burglary that was problem - it was the coverup -
  388. [20:49:17] <bridge> <ToiLeTBuG> doubtful that was him
  389. [20:49:24] <bridge> <Mogwai> Leo, it's fine to curb bad behaviour at your discretion.
  390. [20:49:26] <bridge> <Trex> Јustin.. ah see what I did there :)
  391. [20:49:38] <bridge> <Mogwai> It's your right.
  392. [20:50:01] <bridge> <AnroUser> It wasn't the stain on the dress, it was how it got there
  393. [20:50:06] <bridge> <justin> Mogwai, I like your band.
  394. [20:50:06] <bridge> <cr1> can0k, ty for your years of modding here.
  395. [20:50:25] <bridge> <Mogwai> my band?
  396. [20:50:33] <bridge> <justin> Mogwai is a good band.
  397. [20:51:08] <bridge> <Mogwai> hehe.. not mine. but, sure.. I'm glad you enjoy!
  398. [20:51:19] <bridge> <chatenthusist> scottish post-rock, yeah good stuff
  399. [20:51:22] <bridge> <justin> I'm well aware it's not actually your band.
  400. [20:51:28] <bridge> <justin> what chatenthusist said
  401. [20:51:29] <bridge> <justin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogwai
  402. [20:51:43] <bridge> <andrei> we also dont think youre that furry non-gremlin thing
  403. [20:52:06] <bridge> <Noblin> What I don't get, I mean seriously don't get is how bent out of shape people get bent out of shape over something (real or fake) that half the planet has.
  404. [20:52:06] <bridge> <andrei> but just in case, no ones going to be feeding you after midnight
  405. [20:52:29] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> I thought Patrick was great on TNSS, is there even a chance he could be the permanent co-host. I can see why TSS had so many loyal fans.
  406. [20:52:35] <bridge> <andrei> were they bent out of shape
  407. [20:52:40] <bridge> <Noblin> haha, man, that was a terribly written sentence.
  408. [20:52:51] <bridge> <Mogwai> I may be being confused with a group that can be fed after midnight, or allowed to get wet, on occasion.
  409. [20:52:54] <bridge> <andrei> i understood you, noblin
  410. [20:53:06] <bridge> <Web7539> when you have a cancer lump the surgeon removes it all and start chemo they don't leave half of lump in!! ... close the chat, do what u said in MacBreak Weekly and start from there.... while you find other alternatives... Family safety is first!
  411. [20:53:21] <bridge> <nightrain> haha
  412. [20:53:39] <bridge> <@marmot> MarcPelletier: I believe he has other commitments.
  413. [20:53:42] <bridge> <nightrain> web7539: you are a cancer to the enjoyment of this channel.
  414. [20:53:52] <bridge> <HackinGamer> dang I go to play game and look what all happens:)
  415. [20:54:17] <bridge> <J5_JCH> Noblin: esp considering the issue - your phrasing was approp
  416. [20:54:35] <bridge> <MarcPelletier> marmot, he and Leo are very compelling together...
  417. [20:54:36] <bridge> <@marmot> Web7539: you could start by using less horrific analogies
  418. [20:55:04] <bridge> <andrei> theyd have to redo the intro
  419. [20:55:11] <bridge> <andrei> and maybe they ran out of special effects budget
  420. [20:55:19] <bridge> <andrei> because of the lens flare thing
  421. [20:55:29] <bridge> <Noblin> J5_JCH, ha! I didn't mean it that way, but you're right.
  422. [20:55:45] <bridge> <andrei> wait you didnt mean it that way?
  423. [20:56:19] <bridge> <Mogwai> ever have that dream you were back in the 5th grade, naked in front of your entire class? Tip, never try to live out that dream later in life.
  424. [20:56:40] <bridge> <iPad_20180> they could start a new Easter egg game, "find the willy on TWIT and win a free Nature Box"
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