@SnowyDoe: Ok
%Albacore: gliscor looks pretty annoying but azu does check it
%Team Pokepals: allright
%Albacore: oh oaky
%Team Pokepals: the 1st team is from AceKnightSuzaku
%Team Pokepals: http://pastebin.com/zRvswM2v
+fleggumfl: dont you need to make AceKnightSuzaku room voice
+fleggumfl: SnowyDoe
AceKnightSuzaku was promoted to Room Voice by SnowyDoe.
+AceKnightSuzaku: hallo
%red white and teal: The outright first issue I see outright is the lack of entry hazards on the team
@SnowyDoe: tab failed his name like 6 times my bad :/
%red white and teal: Sorry for writing outright twice hah
+fleggumfl: sdef talonflame kinda jumps out too as a big threat
%Albacore: manaphy w/ hp ice and energy ball is a problem as well as EQ XZard
%Albacore: why did i say hp ice
%Albacore: i meant ice beam
@SnowyDoe: weavile looks very annoying as no switch ins
%red white and teal: Well, Ice Beam but yes.
%red white and teal: Haha
%Albacore: actually it doesnt even need energy ball just hp ice or shadozw ball
+AceKnightSuzaku: welp
+AceKnightSuzaku: I'm all ears to changes
@SnowyDoe: Ok I think we should start with getting hazards on this team in all honesty or dealing with one of the major threeats first
%red white and teal: AceKnightSuzaku, looking at the team I find Sylveon a very odd choice as well. All the rest of your mons are particularly offensive, even typically defensive mons like Heatran and Celebi are running offensive sets
%Albacore: SR clef>sylveon
%Albacore: imo
@SnowyDoe: I like clef over sylveon too
%Albacore: give it thunder wave too to at least slow dopwn xzard and stuff
@SnowyDoe: as it help with weavile
%Albacore: *down
@SnowyDoe: I dont think it nessarily has to run rocks thou, but it's nice over sylveon any way for now
+AceKnightSuzaku: 1.) Sylveon ---> Clefable. Unaware right?
%Team Pokepals: here's the list of people http://pastebin.com/C6Nha4zt so please wait your turn :)
@SnowyDoe: I think we could honestly run a standard magic guard set ace
@SnowyDoe: with T-wave/moonblast/soft boiled/calm mind
+fleggumfl: yeah mg clef is fine
@SnowyDoe: ad then change celebi into a more defensive set to better take on keldeo and set up rocks
+fleggumfl: though i think 252 / 252 bold would suit this team better as the extra bulk helps with the likes of weavile and zard x
+AceKnightSuzaku: also have softboiled/wish for recovery?
@SnowyDoe: just softboiled
%Albacore: yeah def run phys def on celebi otherwise sand rush exca becomes a huge pain
+AceKnightSuzaku: so, bad with sand teams + zard x
%Team Pokepals: Stone Edge over Anciant Power on Heatran helps better against Talonflame(especially SpD Talonflame) and Zard Y
@SnowyDoe: Ok, so I think we all agree on clef > slyveon, with max defense and Hp, right?
%Team Pokepals: yeah
+AceKnightSuzaku: okey, noted it
%Albacore: the team probably needs a secondary check to talon as fleggumfl mentioned
%Albacore: b/c heatran isn't enough
@SnowyDoe: yeah talonflame can blow straight through
+fleggumfl: its just more for the bulky variants
+fleggumfl: esp bulk up
%Team Pokepals: not to mention Heatran doesn't have leftovers
%Team Pokepals: so it really doesn't wanna repeatly switch into Talonflame
+AceKnightSuzaku: rip, so lefties tran and have more bulk into it?
%Albacore: actually maybe hippo or chomp over celebi imo
+fleggumfl: then you get pressured by electrics and faster mons a lot more
%Albacore: though that does make you more keldoe weak
@SnowyDoe: Does heatran have to be scarf? I think we can make it more of a tank, because we dont need the extra coverage that much and we have speed control in t-wave+bp
%Albacore: yeah i was thinking hippo b/c a fast volt swicther can just spam volt swicth freely
%Albacore: and hippo prevents that
+fleggumfl: i mean you've got latias but that doesnt really stop them
+fleggumfl: all it does it put a ton of pressure onto latias to stay healthy
%Albacore: but then keldeo becomes a bit annoying i guess
%Albacore: so idk
+fleggumfl: true
+fleggumfl: what about
+fleggumfl: av tangrowth?
%Team Pokepals: over what?
+fleggumfl: you handle most electrics decently and you can still wall keldeo
+fleggumfl: celebi
@SnowyDoe: sounds good
+AceKnightSuzaku: AV Tangrowth, Modest one and what spread?
@SnowyDoe: if we do that then we need to make heatran more tanky
+fleggumfl: no, you need to make it max sdef aceknight
+AceKnightSuzaku: SpD, and 248 HP?
%Team Pokepals: !analysis tangrowth
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+fleggumfl: 252 hp / 252 sdef / 4 def
%Team Pokepals: we can add rocks on heatran too
+fleggumfl: the only really troubling thing is specs keldeo locked into secret sword, but tang regens most of the damage dealt and gives you a free clefable switch in
@SnowyDoe: we still have a latias just in case
+fleggumfl: that too
+fleggumfl: i think lati is necessary for zard y
%Team Pokepals: Zard Y decimates that team without Lati
@SnowyDoe: Yeah lati is needed. thoughts on fat tran w/ rocks support?
+fleggumfl: fine with me
@SnowyDoe: I think it's needed to better deal with talon + provide rocks
+AceKnightSuzaku: so I have a Hippo along with Fat Tran, which one gets rocks?
%Team Pokepals: also
+fleggumfl: another thing is that tang can lure talon with rock slide
%Team Pokepals: Fat tran can help with Mega Scizor
+fleggumfl: i wouldnt go with hippo just yet aceknight
+AceKnightSuzaku: kk
@SnowyDoe: the team i have rn ace is gallade/heatran/scizor/latias/tang/clef
+AceKnightSuzaku: ah, okay, noting it down
%Team Pokepals: doesn't Mega Metagross just run through most of that team besides Scizor?
+fleggumfl: tang kinda handles it
+fleggumfl: which is really nice but ice punch is annoying
%Team Pokepals: isn't it max special defense tho?
@SnowyDoe: it's still fat as hell
+fleggumfl: my bad it still takes 50+ with sr up
+fleggumfl: from mash
%Team Pokepals: 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tangrowth: 175-207 (43.3 - 51.2%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+fleggumfl: but really
+fleggumfl: on an offensive team, scizor is usually enough considering its pursuit too
%Team Pokepals: yeah
+fleggumfl: id make it bulkier though because im pretty sure you can get 2hkod by hammer arm
+AceKnightSuzaku: add protect to the set?
@SnowyDoe: yeah defs make tran bulky
@SnowyDoe: it need stone edge imo for talon
+AceKnightSuzaku: noted
+fleggumfl: what would it be? lavaplume / sr / se / tox|taunt|roar
@SnowyDoe: yeah Im think taunt or roar as last for clef
%Team Pokepals: what if
%Team Pokepals: he ran magma storm over lava plume
%Team Pokepals: and then taunt for the final slot
+AceKnightSuzaku: to trap for free switches?
@SnowyDoe: what does he need to trap?
%Team Pokepals: he could trap talonflame I guess
@SnowyDoe: why not just smack it with edge?
%Team Pokepals: it'd switch out
%Team Pokepals: we wouldn't really need taunt then
@SnowyDoe: it needs taunt regardless for clef, cause having scizor as your only clef answer is shaky
%Team Pokepals: yeah
@SnowyDoe: i think standard with lava plume/sr/taunt/stone edge is fine
+AceKnightSuzaku: got it, next?
+fleggumfl: ill be back in like 5 minutes
@SnowyDoe: I think we should make scizor 248 hp/252 atk/8 speed
@SnowyDoe: just for general bulk and the fact that 229 isnt beating much in the long run
%Team Pokepals: yeah scizor doesn't need to outspeed much if anything
%Team Pokepals: mainly cause of Bullet Punch
+AceKnightSuzaku: adamant nature still for max power right?
%Team Pokepals: yeah
%Team Pokepals: btw what moveset on Clefable are we running? I know we have max defense Bold
@SnowyDoe: t-wave + cm
%Team Pokepals: allright, I agree with that
@SnowyDoe: The team looks p solid in all honesty
@SnowyDoe: I think were done here?
+AceKnightSuzaku: I guess
+AceKnightSuzaku: wait
@SnowyDoe: whats up?
%Team Pokepals: so it's mega gallade, bulky tran, max defense clefable, bulk band scizor, latias, and AV tanrgowth
+AceKnightSuzaku: okay, just checking
@SnowyDoe: http://pastebin.com/NTw1aeqS this is the updated version
+AceKnightSuzaku: thnx
@SnowyDoe: no problem, thanks for submitting the team ace
%Team Pokepals: Hope we helped :)
+AceKnightSuzaku: thnx for helping with it
+AceKnightSuzaku: :)
@SnowyDoe: whose teams next o_o
%Team Pokepals: SnowyDoe do you wanna devoice him now?
%Team Pokepals: Next up is this team http://pastebin.com/zTPuNEHG by dole45
+AceKnightSuzaku: xD
%Team Pokepals: and can you voice dole45?
dole45 was promoted to Room Voice by SnowyDoe.
+dole45: hellu :D
@SnowyDoe: hey man n_n
%Vapo: grats on mod snowy
(AceKnightSuzaku was demoted to Room regular user by SnowyDoe.)
@SnowyDoe: thanks bud
@SnowyDoe: lets go over the team now n_n
+dole45: yes please :P
@SnowyDoe: Ok, so we have a nice offensive build here based around sd scizor I assume
%Team Pokepals: dole45 could you explain why you have Bug Bite on Mega Scizor? It's not a problem, but it's just out of curiosity
+dole45: i prefere it over u-turn as i feel like i wanna utalize its ability as much as possible
+dole45: and i get to keep my stat changes and still get the bug coverage
@SnowyDoe: first thing I notice
@SnowyDoe: is a huge volc weakness
@SnowyDoe: at plus one
+AlastorLaw: sorry I'm late
@SnowyDoe: it's putting in a lot of work
+dole45: mhm.. yeah, that's a issue
@SnowyDoe: hey alastorlaw
%Albacore: i would atcually run superpower, reason being that you rely a lot on hippo to swicth into bisharp and superpower lets you smack it, laso luring heatran benefits your team since all your answers to it hate getting burnt
%Team Pokepals: hey Alastor Law you haven't missed much :)
@SnowyDoe: heres the team alastor http://pastebin.com/zTPuNEHG
+fleggumfl: ok guys i gotta ho
+fleggumfl: go
%Team Pokepals: see ya fleggumfl
@SnowyDoe: also I agree with albacore
+dole45: thats noted
+Alastor Law: Scizor handles bisharp just well, Albacore
+Alastor Law: with technician bug bite that's a strong hit
%Team Pokepals: Superpower also takes care of Heatran
@SnowyDoe: I think opposing offensive 3 attack scizor are a huge threat to this team
%Albacore: mild weakness to serperior and venusaur but those can be checked by weavile and latios respectively
@SnowyDoe: i feel like we should run scarf zone for fast scizor in all honesty
+dole45: Team Pokebals, would a scarf zone set help on that?
%Albacore: scarf zone also helps vs manaphy
%Albacore: so yeah
@SnowyDoe: yeah I'm pretty for a scarf zone right now
%Team Pokepals: ... why does everyone call me that -_-
%Team Pokepals: but yeah scarf zone would help
+dole45: sry, if its okey i kinda wanna call you Team Poke for simpleness xD
+Alastor Law: we really need to fix that heatran weakness
@SnowyDoe: I think we need edge over > whirlwind on hippo as well, because talon is a pretty big threat and volc does a number to this team
+dole45: so, the regular scarf zone set, timid or modest?
+Alastor Law: timid always, dole45
%Albacore: timid so you outspeed serperior and base 110s
+dole45: oke
%Albacore: at least i think it outspeeds serp
@SnowyDoe: it does
%Team Pokepals: it barely outspeeds Serp
@SnowyDoe: so stone edge > whirlwind y/n
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+dole45: just on the nip, but as i dont see serp as too big of a threat as weavile outspeeds and smacks it
+dole45: oke SnowyDoe
%Albacore: yeah but serp cant really swicth in that well
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%Albacore: and hippo is huge bait for it
%Albacore: *weavile can't swicth in
%Albacore: i mean
+dole45: true true
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%Albacore: stone egde on hippo would be for thundurus i assume?
+dole45: that and talon
@SnowyDoe: for talon+volc as well
+Alastor Law: for volc and talonflame
%Albacore: oh yeah volc
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+Alastor Law: for thundurus we have latias and hippo
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+Alastor Law: what's AV azumarill for?
%Team Pokepals: it might just be me, but the team looks a bit weak to SD Talonflame, besides Hippo
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%Team Pokepals: I agree Hippo needs Stone Edge to handle Talonflame too
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+dole45: Its the AV set as i dont like having 2 choiced mons on the same team, and the belly drum set gets hard to use in the way i play
@SnowyDoe: yeah i think we could maybe change up the azu a bit
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+dole45: i was realy unsure of the Azu, and im not too attached to it, so go ahead :P
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+Alastor Law: if you're using that magnezone to trap (it's more a trapper than a choiced mon), CB Azu benefits a lot from it
+dole45: oh, oke
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+Alastor Law: and it helps you break stall
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%Albacore: yeah i can see you struggling vs bulkier teams
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+Alastor Law: since you don't look to have a lot of dedicated stallbreakers
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+dole45: So, cb azu it is?
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@SnowyDoe: I think we need healling wish on latis if we're going to be using azu as our main switch into heatran and the fact we're very weak to WoW
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@SnowyDoe: cb azu is fine dole n_n
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%Team Pokepals: CB Azu is great :)
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+dole45: so, healing wish over roost is the order?
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@SnowyDoe: I think we should, but I want to hear what the others think first
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%Team Pokepals: Healing wish should work out
%Albacore: doesnt mvenu destroy the team if latias doenst have recovery though
%Team Pokepals: I'm starting to get worried about Keldeo too
+Alastor Law: that would leave us a bit keldeo and venu weak
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+Alastor Law: lmao
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@SnowyDoe: hmm The spread of status just seems rather annoying
%Albacore: i mean we already have a venu weakness
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+dole45: tbh, i am more of a fan on recovery for lati, more than healing wish
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+Alastor Law: I think we should reduce the number of pokemon accomplishing roles in this team and start making room for some status absorbing ones
@SnowyDoe: same
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+Alastor Law: i don't know if you guys see this, because there are a lot of things to fix with this particular building
+dole45: oke, but roost or healing wish on lati? :P
@SnowyDoe: roost is fine for now
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%Albacore: i'd stick with roost for the timedbeing
+Alastor Law: as Scizor is not going to act as a sweeper, it's more of a supportive asset
%Albacore: *time being
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+Alastor Law: and does not really need magnezone that much
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+Alastor Law: The Scizor, Hippo, Water type and Lati core is a good one, we can cover more things from that
%Team Pokepals: Roost will probably work out since it'll help keep Keldeo and Mega Venusaur at bay
+dole45: but at that point its the offensive 3 attacks scizor problem that someone talked about earlier, right?
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@SnowyDoe: We open up a few weaknesses without zone, but I think we can fill up the place nicely with something else
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+dole45: Alright then, show me the way xD
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%Albacore: fast tran over scizor perhaps?
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%Albacore: erm not scizor
%Albacore: i meant zone
%Albacore: derp
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+Alastor Law: that's a nice idea
@SnowyDoe: if we replace mag, we need a scizor check. I was also thinking tran as well
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+dole45: Agreement on that switch?
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%Team Pokepals: Heatran works
%Albacore: something like, fast utility w/ taunt and toxic
%Team Pokepals: and it handles Talonflame and Volc without HP Ground
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%Albacore: actuallly it prolly needs SE
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+dole45: so, scarf, or offensive air ballon with speed?
+Alastor Law: I mean, for this kind of team I like to follow this kind of structure
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%Albacore: i'd run both stone egde and taunt honestly
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%Albacore: taunt helps a lot vs stuff liek clefable and fat teams in general
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+dole45: so, move 1: taunt?
+Alastor Law: taunt SE heatran?
+Alastor Law: that's weird
@SnowyDoe: magma storm tran can 1v1 talonflame without se
+Alastor Law: magma storm is much better
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+Alastor Law: and it can also harass stallish builds
+dole45: move 2: magma storm
+Alastor Law: and opposing scizor
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%Albacore: taunt/toxic/magma storm/earth power could work
%Albacore: you don't need Sr which is nice
@SnowyDoe: that seems fine
%Albacore: and epower is probably important for opposing trans
%Albacore: lefties or baloon though
+dole45: EV spread and item then?
%Albacore: spread wouldf just be max speed max SpA i think
+Alastor Law: EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
+Alastor Law: Timid Nature
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+Alastor Law: bread and butter
+dole45: and item?
+dole45: air ballon or lefties?
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+Alastor Law: lefties
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+Alastor Law: to live longer throughout the match
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%Team Pokepals: lefties will keep it alive to handle talonflame
+dole45: oke
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%Team Pokepals: otherwise it'll get worn down really quickly
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@SnowyDoe: team so far is mega scizor/latias/weavile/tran/azu/hippo as a recap btw
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+dole45: correct
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+Alastor Law: it's not bad I'd say
+dole45: im actually changing sets in an replica of the original as you guys tell me
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@SnowyDoe: Looks p solid right now
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@SnowyDoe: are we happy with this so far? or does someone want to add something
+Alastor Law: I have something similar if we want to follow a standard pattern, but this version is pretty nice as it is with fast threats, status absorbers and wincons
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@SnowyDoe: Yeah, I think we can wrap this one up true?
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%Team Pokepals: yeah
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+dole45: oke, thx guys :D ima go test this
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+Alastor Law: when I first saw this team I felt we needed some special attacking mons, and we've fixed everything with tran
%Team Pokepals: gl
+Alastor Law: the sets btw
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+dole45: what sets?
+Alastor Law: are we still sticking to CB Azu?
%Team Pokepals: I think we are
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+Alastor Law: ok, so magma tran and CB azu
+Alastor Law: good to go
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@SnowyDoe: sweet as
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+dole45: oke, thx then, bye
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%Team Pokepals: Time for the next one :D
@SnowyDoe: later man
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%Team Pokepals: This team is http://pastebin.com/9DXAVm2V by Roseybear
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+Roseybear: uh
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+Roseybear: I was not prepared for this
@SnowyDoe: lol
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@SnowyDoe: it's fine
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@SnowyDoe: I see some nice bd chesnaught action going on in this team
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@SnowyDoe: I'm guessing you made the team around it?
+Roseybear: yes
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%Albacore: i think for this particular team i think TWave is better than Toxic on Slowbro, given that kyu-b really benefits from stuff being paralyzed
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%Team Pokepals: Mega Man looks annoying once Heatran and Kyube are gone
%Team Pokepals: or low on HP
%Albacore: also this is a minor nitpick, but 24 SPd on Keldoe lets you live specs hydro pumps from keldoe after SR
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+Alastor Law: bulky stuff trying to ace a belly drum sweep on offense and a kube wrap against bulkier teams
+Alastor Law: the first thing I notice is a weakness to volturn teams
%Team Pokepals: yeah
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%Albacore: yzard looks super scary as well
%Team Pokepals: Kyube needs roost imo
+Alastor Law: as you don't have either a ground type
+Alastor Law: nor a defogger
%Team Pokepals: cause SR + Sub + Volt Switch is gonna kill it in no time
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+Alastor Law: and you're running bulky stuff
+Alastor Law: so we need to really work on that, because the team looks solid as it is on paper
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+Roseybear: mmm
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@SnowyDoe: So we need hazard control, volt switch prevention and a zard y check rn?
+Alastor Law: I feel that changing any of your water types for a hazard remover and making some little adjustments will really benefit this team
+Alastor Law: I really see Latias>Slowbro for this reason
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%Albacore: yeah rotom overlaps a lot with slowbro
@SnowyDoe: I really like latias > bro
+Alastor Law: but there's a problem
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%Team Pokepals: also
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+Alastor Law: if we do Latias>Bro, Lopunny shits on us
%Team Pokepals: Kyube with HP Fire just wrecks
@SnowyDoe: scarf excadrill smashs the team as well without bro
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+Alastor Law: and if we do Latias>Rotom-W, the Molemen are annoying
@SnowyDoe: not the molemen :o
+Roseybear: molemen?
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+Alastor Law: and you have to be safe against the molemen
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+Alastor Law: !dt excadrill
OU
ExcadrillGroundSteelSand Rush
Sand ForceMold BreakerHP
110Atk
135Def
60SpA
50SpD
65Spe
88BST
508
Dex#: 530 |  Gen: 5 |  Height: 0.7 m |  Weight: 40.4 kg (60 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Field |  Does Not Evolve
@SnowyDoe: excadrill = molemen
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%Albacore: how about defog mew over slowbro
+Alastor Law: scarf exca can't break scizor
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@SnowyDoe: keldeo shits on us with mew
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%Albacore: hm true
+Alastor Law: and zard Y
%Team Pokepals: slowbro takes care of keldeo
+Alastor Law: Latias>Bro
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+Alastor Law: is the best change
@SnowyDoe: I think latias needs to get it's ass in this team
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%Team Pokepals: lol
%Albacore: yeah, we can find another way to beat lopunny
@SnowyDoe: so that change is fine
+Alastor Law: it also lets us counter those electric types
+Roseybear: latias in, bro out
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@SnowyDoe: i would say yes
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%Team Pokepals: what if we ran hippo?
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@SnowyDoe: over rotom?
+Alastor Law: the thing about hippo is that
%Team Pokepals: it stops mega lop + volt turn and beats mega man too
+Alastor Law: you can't really change anything else
+Roseybear: is draco/psyshock/defog/roost fine before we talk hippo?
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+Alastor Law: definitely, Roseybear
@SnowyDoe: that fine for now
@SnowyDoe: how do we feel about using a different bulky water > rotom?
%Team Pokepals: also, I think we need a way to kill Zard Y, since Fusion Bolt is literally the only way atm
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@SnowyDoe: we have a latias
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%Team Pokepals: Latias has to do a lot though
+Roseybear: the only change I done to the team is latias > bro
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%Team Pokepals: and that t-tar + zard y core could definitely give this team a run for it's money
%Team Pokepals: its*
@SnowyDoe: that;s true
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+Alastor Law: I guess SE hippo again
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+Alastor Law: would be positive here
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@SnowyDoe: over rotom i would assume?
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+Alastor Law: but the only thing that we can change is Kyurem
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+Alastor Law: changing rotom exposes us to sand and stuff like SD Lando
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+Roseybear: before I change my team
+Roseybear: what I'm gonna do with rotom?
@SnowyDoe: leave it for now
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@SnowyDoe: I think we have to move kyurem to make any changes
+Roseybear: k
@SnowyDoe: so that sand doesnt eat us
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%Team Pokepals: btw
%Team Pokepals: with slowbro gone
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%Team Pokepals: Zard X comes in DD and it's GG
+Alastor Law: hippo fixes that
%Team Pokepals: yeah
+Alastor Law: again
@SnowyDoe: I think we have to run hippo > kyurem
+Alastor Law: SE for the Y and talonflame, EQ for the X
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+Roseybear: I think hippo is gonna replace kyurem then
+Alastor Law: also, for zard X we have tran
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%Team Pokepals: 3 attacks zard x beats it tho
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+Roseybear: wait how does tran beat zard x when I don't even have balloon
+Alastor Law: do we really need protect on tran? Isn't taunt a much better option?
+Alastor Law: toxic/ep normally
@SnowyDoe: most zard x carry 2 attacks flare blitz + dc
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+Roseybear: got no problem with that
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@SnowyDoe: i think we could remove sr put them on hippo and add another move to tran
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%Team Pokepals: Toxic?
+Roseybear: i got taunt, toxic & lava
@SnowyDoe: unless we want to pull a tele and run curse hippo lol
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%Team Pokepals: lol
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+Alastor Law: lava plume, toxic, taunt, EP is the most useful set
@SnowyDoe: i feel the same and i think that would do nicely
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+Alastor Law: and it has great sinergy with scizor again
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+Alastor Law: and rotom-w
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+Alastor Law: for hippo, I suggest the standard spread
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+Alastor Law: or this one right here
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+Roseybear: Ok I got Sand Stream and the moves i'm using is EQ/Stone Edge/SR/Slack Off
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+Alastor Law: EVs: 240 HP / 112 Def / 156 SpD
@SnowyDoe: correct
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+Alastor Law: Impish Nature
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@SnowyDoe: im guess thats for gar? do we really need to check it with scizor
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@SnowyDoe: gengar*
+Alastor Law: that takes thundurus, gengar and zard X's attacks
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@SnowyDoe: ok that sounds cool
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@SnowyDoe: do we want to leave the scizor as knock off btw?
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+Alastor Law: it's the only knock offer that we have
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@SnowyDoe: that's true
+Alastor Law: and makes a late game chesnaught sweep easier
+Alastor Law: after punishing our opponent's switches
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+Alastor Law: the team would end as chesnaught/scizor/tran/rotom-w/latias/hippo
+Alastor Law: that looks solid to me
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@SnowyDoe: yeah, im happy with it
+Alastor Law: fwg core supporting the chesnaught sweep removing the latis, tornadus-t and faeries, which are the main concerns when attempting to sweep so
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+Alastor Law: we're pretty much good to go, if Roseybear agrees with the changes
@SnowyDoe: heres the team rosey http://pastebin.com/3vVTztHq
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+Roseybear: Can i post the new team?
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%Team Pokepals: On to the next one?
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+Alastor Law: Latias needs 72 HP and 184 Spatk
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+Alastor Law: to take hits better
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+Alastor Law: that being said, we can move on
+Roseybear: thanks guys
@SnowyDoe: ok sweet
@SnowyDoe: thanks for submitting and i hope we helped :]
%Team Pokepals: Next one is http://pastebin.com/jducT1SZ by Star524
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%Team Pokepals: I'll have to go in like 20 minutes btw
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+Star524: hi~
@SnowyDoe: will make this the last as it's been nearely tour hours now. Hey star n_n
@SnowyDoe: two*
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%Team Pokepals: Oh
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%Team Pokepals: there's still like 9 more on the list
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%Team Pokepals: but that'd take way too long
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+Alastor Law: we left teams in the last workshop, so dw
%Team Pokepals: ok
+Alastor Law: we'll make more in the future anyways
%Team Pokepals: kk
@SnowyDoe: yeah they'll be on like every wekkend
@SnowyDoe: ok to the team
+Alastor Law: moving on to star's team
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@SnowyDoe: which looks interesting :o
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%Team Pokepals: I don't think mega garde should run wish + protect
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@SnowyDoe: can you tell us what your inspiration or starting point was star?
%Team Pokepals: it's more meant for Clefable and even Sylveon
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+Star524: Started as M-Gallade/Bisharp core
+Star524: then morph it to something more suited to my tastes
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%Team Pokepals: what inspired you to run wish + protect on gardevoir?
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+Star524: To be an annoyance to physical attacker that normally switch in (except TFlame) and pass Wishes to Seismitoad
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+Alastor Law: the thing is that your team has a very offensive structure, based on the mons you chose to built it
+Alastor Law: build*
%Team Pokepals: Gardevoir doesn't exactly take physical attacks well at all
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%Team Pokepals: !dt Mega Gardevoir
OU
Gardevoir-MegaPsychicFairyPixilateHP
68Atk
85Def
65SpA
165SpD
135Spe
100BST
618
Dex#: 282 |  Gen: 6 |  Height: 1.6 m |  Weight: 48.4 kg (60 BP) |  Dex Colour: White |  Egg Group(s): Amorphous |  Does Not Evolve
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@SnowyDoe: Ill be back in a minute guys, im sure you guys are fine for a bit thou n_n
+Star524: Given the defensive investment + burns on switches, I figured it can be sufficient
%Team Pokepals: I gotta go in 15 minutes so will you be back by then SnowyDoe?
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+Alastor Law: there are bulkier pokemon that can do that job much better
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%Team Pokepals: Will O wisp can definitely lure in physical threats, but you probably won't be able to pull off a wish + protect that often at all
+Star524: I suppose; the very powerful Hyper Voice to go with with enticing though
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+Star524: with it*
+Star524: meh, rushing my typing a lot
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+Star524: sorry for typos ~_~
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%Team Pokepals: Weavile destroys your team once Seismetoad is gone
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@SnowyDoe: Im back TP dw n_n
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+Alastor Law: I feel the best change we could do in this team is go with keldeo>seismitoad
%Team Pokepals: lol alright
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%Team Pokepals: 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Seismitoad: 169-200 (40.9 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
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+Alastor Law: and relocate rocks on another team member
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+Star524: Hmm...I see
%Team Pokepals: it's risky to use it as a switchin when it takes that much, so I second the Keldeo
@SnowyDoe: Can someone sum up the changes so far so im on the same page?
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+Alastor Law: no changes so far
+Alastor Law: we're discussing threats (weavile)
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@SnowyDoe: rest-talk keldeo looks cool
+Alastor Law: lopunny is a threat too
+Alastor Law: lmao
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@SnowyDoe: tmck is god ok ;-;
%Team Pokepals: Poliwrath works too, am I write SnowyDoe ;)
@SnowyDoe: slap poliwrath on everything lol
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@SnowyDoe: but yeah lop destroys this team real quick
+Alastor Law: !learn poliwrath, SR
Poliwrath can't learn Stealth Rock
+Alastor Law: :(
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+Alastor Law: okay, i feel specs keldeo and landorus fix everything this team has to worry really
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+Alastor Law: SR lefties landorus, that is
%Team Pokepals: lando over what?
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+Alastor Law: thundurus/kube
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+Alastor Law: because Zard X is like a clean 6-0
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%Team Pokepals: ah
@SnowyDoe: lando > thundy so we dont lose to spd gliscor with changing kyurem
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+Alastor Law: we can beat gliscor with gardy/keldeo
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@SnowyDoe: did we change the garde set?
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+Alastor Law: we're going to, if Star524 is okay with that
+Star524: Sure
%Team Pokepals: so it's Defensive Lando-T, Bisharp, Gardevoir, Specs Keldeo, Latias and Kyube?
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@SnowyDoe: yeah unless we want to keep thundy and toss kyurem
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%Team Pokepals: ok
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+Star524: Thought it was Lando over Cube
+Star524: guess I misread
%Team Pokepals: I'm starting to get worried about T-tar + Excadrill
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@SnowyDoe: we have lando
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+Alastor Law: The main changes I would do are: Go with standard Timid Gardevoir (232 SpAtk, 24 Def, 252 Speed) with Taunt, Hyper Voice, Psyshock and Focus Blast, Choice Specs Keldeo>Seismitoad (Max Spatk, Max speed with HP electric as we're removing thundurus)
%Team Pokepals: won't lando get worn down somewhat easily? Especially if T-tar has Ice Beam
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@SnowyDoe: we have a keldeo that can switch into it as well
%Team Pokepals: that's right
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%Team Pokepals: I'm trying to think of threats atm
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+Alastor Law: Standard defensive Landorus-T with Stealth Rocks (248 HP, 172+ Def and 88 Speed to outpace adamant Bisharp), Mild Kyurem-B with 20 HP, 252+ SpAtk and the rest in Speed
%Team Pokepals: half the team is weak to fairy without a fairy resist
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@SnowyDoe: oml gardevoir is a threat and a half
+Alastor Law: Max attack, max speed bisharp with a jolly nature
%Team Pokepals: I was thinking Azumarill, but Mega Alt, Mega Gardevoir and Specs Sylveon too
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%Team Pokepals: Gardevoir and Sylveon literally get a free kill
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+Alastor Law: ye, we have 0 switch ins to that
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@SnowyDoe: I kind of like the idea of scizor > sharp
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+Alastor Law: what about scarf, healing wish jirachi with ice punch
@SnowyDoe: thats cool, cause we have no status control
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+Alastor Law: lets us play a more aggressive game
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+Alastor Law: and have a second run with any mon we need healthy
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%Team Pokepals: allright, I gotta go now
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@SnowyDoe: so drop sharp for jirachi? I like the fact we can choose to bring back 3 of the hardest hitting mons in the tier lol
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@SnowyDoe: laters tp
+Alastor Law: IHead, U-Turn, Fire Punch and HW
+Alastor Law: bye Team Pokepals~
%Team Pokepals: don't forget to make a tour after this team :)
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+Alastor Law: thanks for hosting o.o
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%Team Pokepals: Sorry to everyone whose teams we couldn't get to :(
+Alastor Law: we'll end the workshop after this rate right?
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%Team Pokepals: I think so
@SnowyDoe: yeah
+Alastor Law: okay, let's end this quickly
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@SnowyDoe: unless someone wants to countinue?
%Team Pokepals: but we'll have an OU tour
@SnowyDoe: yeah well host a tour
+Alastor Law: do you guys agree with the changes I suggested + Fire Punch Jirachi>Bisharp for scizor?
@SnowyDoe: I do, what about you star?
+Alastor Law: and WoW Gardy to catch steels on the switch
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+Star524: Just going with the flow
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+Star524: Have a copy, will test these ideas and the original
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+Alastor Law: awesome then
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@SnowyDoe: I think thats everything?
+Alastor Law: for me, it is
+Star524: So standard Garde or WoW?
@SnowyDoe: same n_n
+Alastor Law: what about you, star?
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+Star524: (or standard with WoW)
+Alastor Law: Hyper Voice, Psyshock, Focus Blast, WoW
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+Alastor Law: that cripples scizor and skarm mostly
+Star524: Hmm, okay
+Alastor Law: you can try taunt if you feel keldeo handles scizor well
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+Alastor Law: but yea, WoW to keep your idea in the team
+Star524: Probably will experiment with both
+Alastor Law: how's that
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+Star524: Seems good, though status still sort of worries me
+Alastor Law: healing wish jirachi lets you deal with that mostly
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+Star524: Yeah, it helps, I'll just have to be more careful
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@SnowyDoe: Thanks everyone who submitted their teams and sorry if we didn't get around to yours. We will be hosting these regularly so make sure to tune into the next one!