Archimtiros - Today at 12:21 AM
Because it's the opposite of the "my way or the highway" mentality, which you just said I was clearly condemning
And going back to the point of the statement, I was condemning it in politics, espeically WRT when the people it involves are barely involved in politics to begin with
Macrologia - Today at 12:23 AM
What are you talking about 'barely involved'
Archimtiros - Today at 12:23 AM
If it's something that's an every day part of their life, it might make sense, ie:
If I play wow every day, and you hate wow, it might make sense that we don't get along, since my daily activity doesn't mesh well
Macrologia - Today at 12:24 AM
Just because you're "exercising your right to vote" doesn't mean people should refrain from having an opinion about it. You can "exercise your right" to be a loud jerk all the time, but people would be well within their right to dislike you for it
And
Archimtiros - Today at 12:24 AM
I didn't say people shouldn't have an opinion about it
Macrologia - Today at 12:25 AM
The president of the US and the rest of its government affects everyone in the world
Archimtiros - Today at 12:25 AM
Didn't even come close to that
Macrologia - Today at 12:25 AM
What are you saying, then?
Archimtiros - Today at 12:26 AM
I'm saying that it's shallow and intolerant (the exact opposite of being open minded) to condemn someone for having an opinion that you disagree with, when that opinion is grounded in a reasoned point of view.
Macrologia - Today at 12:26 AM
Condemning someone for having a particular point of view is not the same thing as being 'not open-minded'
Archimtiros - Today at 12:26 AM
Depending on context it's pretty close
Macrologia - Today at 12:27 AM
Being closed-minded is condemning someone for having a point of view different to yours, before you know what it is
Condemning someone for having a particular point of view is fine.
And where has Vel 'condemned you'?
Archimtiros - Today at 12:27 AM
I wasn't talking about her specifically
I've been speaking out the world as a whole over the last two days
well really over the last few months, but you get the idea
Macrologia - Today at 12:28 AM
There's nothing wrong with people having an opinion about your opinion. They can choose to react to that however they want.
Being close-minded is bad, but understanding why someone holds an opinion and not being accepting of it is not the same thing as being close-minded
Archimtiros - Today at 12:29 AM
I think there's something wrong with saying "we can't be friends anymore because we disagree about something that isn't a fundamental part of our daily lives"
Again with the (simple but apt) wow example
Macrologia - Today at 12:29 AM
Firstly, it doesn't matter at all that it's not "a part of our daily lives"
Whether that's true or not
Archimtiros - Today at 12:29 AM
hmmm I don't know that I'd agree with that
I mean, that depends on the circumstance
But it's certainly influencing
Macrologia - Today at 12:30 AM
let's say you never saw homeless people where you lived
and neither did i
(i'm assuming that's not true for either of us)
and you said to me "i don't ever see homeless people where i live. if i saw one, though, i'd beat them up and steal their stuff. i hate homeless people"
that wouldn't affect our daily lives
doesn't mean i wouldn't be appalled
Archimtiros - Today at 12:31 AM
I think that's kind of a poor example because it's still referencing something that would be apalling whether it's every day or not
Again, I go back to the wow example
If you hate wow, and I play it every day, it would have a bigger impact on our friendship than if I only played it one day a year
Macrologia - Today at 12:31 AM
There's a difference between me not liking playing wow myself, and me hating the fact that you play it
Or hating the fact that anyone plays it
Archimtiros - Today at 12:31 AM
Yes, but the point being made was the matter of degrees
it's an easier thing to get over if it only comes up once a year (or whatever longer variance) than if it's an every day part of life
Macrologia - Today at 12:32 AM
Of course it's 'worse', relatively speaking, if you were e.g. a major trump campaigner, rather than someone who preferred him to clinton
Archimtiros - Today at 12:32 AM
Yes, or a polictical operative working in the industry, etc
Macrologia - Today at 12:32 AM
that doesn't mean that it's 'easy to get over'
Archimtiros - Today at 12:33 AM
Maybe, maybe not, but I do think it's a factor
Macrologia - Today at 12:33 AM
I personally would never be okay with having a spouse that did drugs
Archimtiros - Today at 12:33 AM
eg: I don't like smoking, but I can ignore it when the person only does it once a month, rather than 3 times a day
Macrologia - Today at 12:33 AM
Lots of my friends do drugs
(not frequently, but on occasion)
I don't like it when they do them
I'd think better of them if they didn't
Archimtiros - Today at 12:33 AM
Exactly, that's tolerance
Macrologia - Today at 12:33 AM
I'm still good friends with them though
But
Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
you don't like it, but it's not frequent enough to completely ruin your friendship with them
Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
I'd never be okay with having a partner that did that, for example
And
Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
and that's a reasonable point of view
Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
My tolerance towards my friends doing drugs, is different to my tolerance towards other things
Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
sure, because different things have different weights and impacts
Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
Yes
Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
if one of your friends was an occasional murderer
Macrologia - Today at 12:34 AM
Sure.
Archimtiros - Today at 12:34 AM
I think it'd be a different story
Macrologia - Today at 12:35 AM
Well, yeah.
Archimtiros - Today at 12:35 AM
"its ok, he only kills people on tuesdays"
Macrologia - Today at 12:35 AM
And whether being a trump supporter is bad enough to ruin a friendship or not
is something that that person is entitled to decide on their own
Archimtiros - Today at 12:35 AM
Sure, doesn't mean you're not also entitled in turn to decide whether or not you think that's intolerant or not
Macrologia - Today at 12:35 AM
Obviously it's intolerant to a degree
Archimtiros - Today at 12:36 AM
or shallow, or whatever other adjective you want to use
Macrologia - Today at 12:36 AM
Being intolerant in that context isn't necessarily a bad thing, but yes, of course it is to a degree somewhat intolerant
Archimtiros - Today at 12:36 AM
But going back to degrees
NEW MESSAGES
Archimtiros - Today at 12:36 AM
it's one thing if you're a trump supporter in every faucet, obviously I am not, because I disagree with a great many things about him