<Joreth> I have met milo
<awesomeguy002> I think i'll avoid using it, for now.
<DrYucatan> if you can find out, do whatever you feel you need to, but you MUST have explicit proof that it's CC or PD or something of the like
<Westydude> Hi conny
<Iodacted> Alo
* ARD has quit (Quit: (If you got problems why don't you just solve)
<DrYucatan> Joreth that osunds like a horrible experience
<ghostpage> Unless it's like, 80+ years old or the creator says "sure it can be CC" it's not cc
<DrBob> I was thinking of Deutsche Wochenschau footage from the 30's.  I met Charly Manson - wouldn't want him over for dinner either.
<ghostpage> Joreth, did you punch him
<DrYucatan> he held a conference to teach republican students how to find, out, and report undocumented students
<awesomeguy002> I'll have to wait for the email from the OP
<awesomeguy002> I might go play some Runescape.
<awesomeguy002> So, bye guys.
<awesomeguy002> Good luck writing!
<Joreth> that was in late 2014/early 2015 when he was like 50% punchable as he is now
* awesomeguy002 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
<Joreth> wait no it might actually be late 2015
<ghostpage> Joreth, awww, you should have preemptively smacked the shitlorditude out of him
<DrYucatan> go back in time and punch yourself for not punching him
<DrYucatan> and then punch him
* Westydude has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
<Joreth> I should but that would actually prove his point - it's a complicated story
<Iodacted> go punch time in for not punching and him
<Joreth> I can tell he wants someone to shut him down
<Iodacted> time punch in for not him go punch.
<Iodacted> I am having a punch. stroke.
<Joreth> he's not stupid, he knows what he's doing
* DolphinSlugchugger has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
<Joreth> and what happened in berkely is exactly playing into his hands
<Joreth> however, seeing him crash like this is very satisfying
<Joreth> he does not deserve any attention
<ghostpage> Joreth, no, but when spencer got hit he admitted he was scared to like, y'know, openly be a nasty fuck in public afterwards, which is at least not being a nazi out loud, which is a step forward
<JackIke> ... man, i'm not sure if i'm overreacting or not
<Avocadonut> hm?
<Avocadonut> what's up my dude?
<Joreth> true
<JackIke> I noticed like, one of our guinea pigs has like, a little yellow stain coming from the corner of his mouth
<JackIke> Could just be some food he ate or something but like, guinea pigs are so delicate you really got to pay attention because it can go south REAL quick
<DrBob> Hmm ... yeah, a more important topic.
<Avocadonut> i am not an expert in guinea pig biology, so i cannot help you there
<DrBob> Have you wiped it away?
* Sax has quit (Ping timeout: 186 seconds)
<ghostpage> JackIke, did I tell you I have a pig now! also a gerbil and a tiny hamster that hates life
<JackIke> ghostpage: what have you doooooone
<Avocadonut> woah you have a pig? :O
<DrBob> What does it feel like?
<JackIke> it starts at one, then goes to two
<JackIke> ghostpage: wait is normal pig or guinea pig
<Joreth> Milo's not the "nazi fascism" alt-right, more like "feminists are cancer" alt-right - know your hate!
<Joreth> #NotAllAltRights
<ghostpage> JackIke, actually they're my stepbrothers' rodents, but, I end up feeding them and whatnot a lot
<ghostpage> and a guin pig
<Joreth> but yes, he deserves to be punched in the face, but knowing how the media works that might actually benefit him
<DrBob> Is he a politician?
<Joreth> he knows how to play victim to make protesters look like irrational beings
<Joreth> DrBob don't worry about it
* Lily (Lily@delelele.whooooop) has joined
<ghostpage> DrBob, alt-right newspaper ex-author
<ghostpage> he called trump president daddy once and that should sum it up
<Avocadonut> ...not ironically?
<DrBob> Ah, someone who used to be famous but now is going towards obscurity?
<Joreth> lol
<Avocadonut> i hope
<Joreth> literally the opposite
<Avocadonut> :(
<Lily> Hello 19
<Lily> .lc
<jarvis> lily: SCP-2895: Stingy (written an hour ago by Roget) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2895
<jarvis> lily: SCP-3000-J: Kellogg's® Foundation Flakes™! (written 3 hours ago by LordStonefish) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3000-j
<jarvis> lily: SCP-2543: Our Harriet (written 9 hours ago by Reject) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2543
<Avocadonut> hey lily
<ghostpage> DrBob, he's one of the most prominent pro-nazi figures in the US right now and advocates actively against LGBT+ people, disabled folks, etc
<ghostpage> By "advocating against" I mean "thinks are subhuman and should be humiliated and put down"
<Avocadonut> despite the fact that he's gay
<DrBob> Like real pro-Nazi?  National socialist nazi and not just flippant use of the word?
<Joreth> Avocadonut: what do you think is going to happen: the liberal media reporting on it en masse because it would embarass brietbart and the alt-right (and in tandem trump) - or the media just not caring about such a juicy story
<Avocadonut> bleh
<tawny> like, "he says that jews are running the banks and deserve to be discriminated against, also authoritarianism is great" nazi
<DrBob> Media will follow profitability and not responsibility.  They can make money pumping the story up.
<ghostpage> Avocadonut, lgbt people are incredible lgbt-phobic a lot of the time, see cis gay people kicking out bi and trans folks from the community
<JackIke> ghostpage: ah
<DrYucatan> i don't understand the "you're just playing into their hands!!!" argument
<JackIke> But still, i repeat: What have you doooone
<DrYucatan> if we don't resist them they'll just...steamroll us anyway???
<Avocadonut> i just want people to be decent to each other :(
<ghostpage> JackIke, the gerbil is the only one that likes me
<JackIke> ghostpage: Are they all together in the same cage doodad?
* Iodacted has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
<DrBob> Animals often have FAR more sense than people, ghostpage.
<ghostpage> JackIke, nope, they're in adjacent cages though, just don't want the pig harassing the smol rodents
<DrBob> tawny, yeah that does sound like a bit scary.
<Avocadonut> all the grown ups are kicking each other around and yelling about shit that doesn't matter, really. i just don't understand why people can't have a fucking sense of decency
<JackIke> Ah
<JackIke> ghostpage: weeeeeeeeeell if i can give a weeeeensy teeeeeeny tip that will ruin your life
<Joreth> ghostpage: I think that's more of an issue of lumping all lgbt people together like it's a giant community where everyone loves each other - much like how there have been studies that show most hispanics and asian vote closer with regards to their education level, income, location, as opposed to "voting with their race" like what a lot of media pretends
<DrBob> I consider myself a grown ups - and I don't do that kicking and yelling shit.  None of the people I know here in town do.
<Joreth> it's one trait
<Joreth> it's not a giant community
<JackIke> ghostpage: guinea pigs are more social animals, an do much better with others, so it miiight be an idea to consider a second one to keep 'em company
<ghostpage> Joreth, I mean, it's more just half the community is a lot of shitlords imo
<DrBob> It's just a couple of far left wing cousins in Illinois - everyone else just goes "Three years and eleven months to go."
<ghostpage> JackIke, he's aggressive :I
<ghostpage> he will eat the smol 'uns
<JackIke> ghostpage: Is a he? Assuredly he?
<ghostpage> Yes
<Joreth> ghostpage: to be fair most of the world are shitlords so
<Avocadonut> blah. just using it in a general term for the big guys. politicians. dictators
<Lily> DrBob: I deduce that trump's presidency doesn't descriminate against you as much as it does some other people
<Lily> DrBob: just sitting back and saying "ah well, 4 years to go" isn't a great attitude imo
<Joreth> we are all shitlords in our own way but the biggest shitlord of them all is lily
<Lily> joreth delete your account
<ghostpage> DrBob, I could die because of some of Trump's legislation so lmao
<DrBob> Lily: Probably not as much against me but it does against my Son in Law who is Paki.
<Joreth> mods lily is bullying me again
<JackIke> ghostpage: Would either of the other two happen to be female, perchance?
<DrBob> So yes, I do see both sides.
<tretter> Does anyone want to look at a draft that is currently just containment procedures?
<ghostpage> JackIke, they're all boys, the issue is the pig is way bigger than the other two and could easily kill them
<Lily> DrBob: isn't that kinda a rude term? But, anyway, trump's presidency is just, Bad, and needs to be actually protested against
<DrBob> I love a good containment procedure.
<Lily> Sitting around and saying "oh what a shame" won't do anything
* Milly has quit (Quit: Leaving)
<DrBob> Lily:  He is from that country.
<ghostpage> DrBob, seeing them and experiencing them intimately are very different
<DrYucatan> who is form which country
<tretter> If anyone is interested, first tab: http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/2retter
<DrBob> Experiencing my son in law intimately.  Pakhistan, my son in law.
<Lily> DrBob: yes but afaik "paki" is a somewhat unpleasant term for them
<Lily> It is over here, at least
<DrYucatan> oh yeah and "p*ki" is a rude term
<DrBob> Except that I think I spelled it wrong.
<DrYucatan> i mean, just because someone is from Japan doesn't mean you can call them a J*p
<DrBob> He's used it.
<Avocadonut> :l
<Joreth> Lily: if all goes wrong just take the "Gary Johnson on climate change" position: "yes, it's bad, but the sun will swallow us and kill us all in billions of years so it really actually doesn't matter that much in the end"
<ghostpage> DrBob, not an excuse tho
<DrBob> His cousin has.
<DrYucatan> black people use the n-word, doesn't give white people the right to
<DrBob> Actually it is, when you hear someone using the word you assume it is OK.
* Quikngruvn has quit (Quit: Elections have consequences-- get out the vote!)
<Avocadonut> what.
<Avocadonut> just what.
<JackIke> ghostpage: Ah, well I was jus gonna suggest that he might be aggressive because of the other males - All of the males we have will fight at any chance (including one who is totally blind, against his own father and/or son), save for two who get along because they are twin brothers
<DrBob> If you don't want people repeating your behavior, don't do it.
<Lily> DrBob: nope
<DrYucatan> DrBob, if you're 1000% ignorant of literally every bit of context and decency
<Avocadonut> you have a responsibility not to be a dumbass
<DrBob> Well that could be, Dr Yucatan.
<Lily> DrBob: minority groups have the right to reclaim a slur ysed against them, but that does not mean you can go on to use that
<DrYucatan> white people never get to use the n-word, for example
<ghostpage> JackIke, tbh most of the pigs social time comes from me watching streams with him, he really likes watching tv and stuff for some reason
<DrBob> So if my son in law talks about Paki cooking - I am supposed to know and filter that?
<DrBob> I hear the word.
<ghostpage> DrBob, do you use the n word, or do you filter it? :p
<Lily> It's not hard for you to just say "pakistani"
<DrBob> When I grew up I heard the N word and was called it at times.
<Avocadonut> wow
<Avocadonut> ok
<ghostpage> DrBob, not the question, please answer it.
<ghostpage> You now know p*ki is a slur - you can now filter it as much as you like, and are now expected to since you know better now.
<ghostpage> It's that easy.
<DrBob> Now I know the N word isn't publicly acceptable.
<ghostpage> It's the same idea.
<DrBob> So you're from Pakistan?
<Lily> wat
<Avocadonut> what the hell does that have to do with anything?
<DrBob> You are deciding what is a slur for them.
<ghostpage> DrBob, please stop trying to divert the conversation because you don't want to be responsible for using slurs :D
<Lily> DrBob: it's a pretty well known offensive slur
<Lily> DrBob: we didn't just make this up
<ghostpage> DrBob, look https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur)
<DrBob> Honestly, I never, ever heard it used as a slur.
<DrYucatan> DrBob, these people have said for white people not to call them that, by and large
<DrYucatan> DrBob, well it has been
<Avocadonut> yeah, that doesn't excuse it
<ghostpage> ""Paki" is a racial slur usually referring to people of Pakistani descent, but often indiscriminately directed towards people perceived to have originated from the Indian Subcontinent."
<Joreth> DrYucatan: the thing about the pakistani slur is interesting - I was about to say that doesn't sound right (since afghan or kazakh is definitely not a slur) but wikipedia taught me that there is no actual group of people named "pak" as opposed to "tajik", "afghan" "turkmen" peoples
<Joreth> thanks wikipedia
<DrYucatan> yeah, Joreth
<DrBob> And that is for the UK.
<DrYucatan> it's literally basically just "brown people, whom we associate with Pakistan"
<DrBob> I don't live in the UK.
<DrBob> Here, it's not a slur.
<Lily> DrBob: chiefly in the UK, but still a slur elsewhere
<ghostpage> Drbob, it's still a slur. I don't think you understand the fundamental principile at hand.
<Joreth> ~learn about etymology through racial slurs~
<Joreth> Thanks Wikipedia!
<Avocadonut> yes, of course, you live in the good ol us of a, where we have completely eliminated racism
<Lily> Avocadonut: lol
<Joreth> Avocadonut: I thought MLK killed racism
<DrBob> MLK didn'
<DrBob> didn't.
<Lily> DrBob: joreth is being sarcastic
<DrBob> Racism will survive as long as it is profitable.
<ghostpage> DrBob, if George W. Bush can have the good grace to apologize for it and not use it, so can you. It's way easier than debating the subject, too :p
<Lily> rule of thumb, 90% of anything joreth says is bullshit, just ignore him
<DrYucatan> whew lads thank goodness I got me git untracked files untrackin'
<Avocadonut> joreth is a scrub
<Joreth> mods lily is bullying me again
<DrBob> OK, if President Bush says it is a bad word I will believe him.
<Lily> DrBob: what has president bush done to make his opinion better than ours
<Avocadonut> ...i can't tell if you're being serious or not
<Joreth> lmao
<DrYucatan> do you think "cracker" is a slur DrBob :P
<DrBob> Wait, wrong Bush.  It's BABY BUSH!
<Joreth> I respect george hw
<DrBob> Depends on whether they are on my plate or someone shouting it in my face.
<Lily> both Bushes are awful
<ghostpage> I'm saying if a shitty president can, you can, with far less public embarrassment.
* TheRaven has quit (Quit: Sail away where no ball and chain can keep us from the roarin' waves, together undivided but forever we'll be free!)
* LordStonefish has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
* ARD (he@rt.of.dankness) has joined
<Avocadonut> alright. i'm going to bed. mister drbob man dude or whatever, kindly quit your bullshit. i don't want to see an 05 thread about this in the morning
<Avocadonut> night
* AwayEldritch is now known as AidenEldritch
* Avocadonut has quit (Quit: leaving,)
<SpookyBee> helo Aiden r u here to make this place not-shitty
<DrBob> I am not saying anything.
* AidenEldritch looks at upscroll
<SpookyBee> from the looks of things, it's just a bunch of infants mashing keyboards :V
<DrBob> And I had already said "OK, if President Bush says it is a bad word I will believe him."
<DrBob> So I had stopped and let it go.
<Lily> SpookyBee: how is not wanting slurs to be used immature :V
<SpookyBee> I read like the last five things and went "Man I just don't care."
<ghostpage> SpookyBee, please stop talking about everyone as if we're not here, kthnx
<DrYucatan> SpookyBee why are you passive-aggressive or aggressive towards everyone about everything all the time
<DrYucatan> can you just not be an asshole to others for fourteen seconds of your life
<DrBob> Ah, seriously man - I am feeling just like utter hostility from you guys.
<Lily> DrBob: nah there's really not
<SpookyBee> that tends to happen here :o
* Smaugnolia (IfYouDie@Canada.you.die.in.real.life) has joined
<Lily> DrBob: people just rightfully are not big fans of racial slurs
<DrBob> Some people don't understand when someone who is old enough to be their grandfather uses a word that it may in their circle mean what they think it does.
<Lily> DrBob: the distinction is my grandparents are pleasant people who are not racist, intentionally or otherwise
<Lily> DrBob: and also recgonise that slurs are slurs
<Lily> DrBob: and don't use them
* ARD has quit (Quit: (If you got problems why don't you just solve 'em))
<DrBob> That COMPLETELY misses the point.
<Lily> DrBob: the point is, do not use slurs. Perhaps you did not know it was a slur. That changes nothing, this is now a learning experience
<Lily> DrBob: just bc you're old doesn't mean you have a better or more valid worldview
<DrBob> We moved past that - at least I did. About twenty minutes ago I said "OK, if President Bush says it is a bad word I will believe him."
<DrYucatan> well president bush isn't the authority on all bad words
<DrYucatan> you should rely on more than just one man for these things
<Joreth> .seen drbob -f
<jarvis> joreth: 2 months ago, I saw drbob for the first time. They said: Hi, is anyone willing to give a newbie some help with the wiki formatting stuff?
<AidenEldritch> op-statement: I will kick on-sight for slurs. Repeated usage goes to ban, etc. etc. People will get antsy around slurs, which is not an abnormal thing. If the personal sniping on both sides of this argument doesn't stop (which it seems it has) I'm going to kick people involved.
<SpookyBee> helo joreth
<SpookyBee> delet ur acount
<DrBob> OK, so I should then double check with who, President Trump?
<Lily> what
<Joreth> mods SpookyBee is bullying me again
<DrBob> I am responding to the remark by Dr. Yucatan on Bush.
<SpookyBee> fite me
<AidenEldritch> relatedly, if you want to argue "your beetle is not my beetle" regarding slurs, I'm going to ask you to stop reading Wittgenstein and try to be a decent goddamn person who's willing to take into account the opinions and feelings of others
<Joreth> AidenEldritch: you can shit in my bed but don't shit on my boy ludwig
<DrBob> You pointed to a Bush quote on an apology by him - I said OK.
<ghostpage> DrBob, correction - I did.
<ghostpage> Not Aiden.
<SpookyBee> i generally dont take anything into account because im floating in an endless void of pain and hate and cheesecake and nothing matters because reasons
<DrBob> [00:41] DrYucatan well president bush isn't the authority on all bad words
<DrBob> [00:41] DrYucatan you should rely on more than just one man for these things
<AidenEldritch> Joreth: we can discuss tractatus later but i just wanted to get in the philosophy joke
<DrBob> Three or four minutes back.
<ghostpage> I am the one who originally quoted.
<Pig_catapult> (SpookyBee I know that "delete ur account" thing was probably a joke but can you not?)
<SpookyBee> I don't trust you.
<DrYucatan> DrBob, wasn't me

<Pig_catapult> [23:45] Lily Piffy even to joreth?
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] DrBob That's interesting.  Because that was a copy/paste out of Chatzilla.
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] DrBob So did Chatzilla screw up who said it?
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] DrYucatan err, i mean i said those things about bush
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] ghostpage "ghostpage> DrBob, if George W. Bush can have the good grace to apologize for it and not use it, so can you. It's way easier than debating the subject, too :p"
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] |<-- Joreth has left irc.synirc.net (Broken pipe)
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] DrYucatan >You pointed to a Bush quote on an apology by him - I said OK.
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] ghostpage I said this before Yuc, please actually look harder.
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] DrYucatan i didn't point to any bush quote irignally
<Pig_catapult> [23:45] -->| Joreth (type@with.paws) has joined #site19
<Pig_catapult> [23:46] DrYucatan i only mentioned bush in terms of him not being an authority on bad words
<Pig_catapult> [23:46] Joreth man my client decided to crash at the worst times
<Pig_catapult> (Joreth called ops without censoring it to not ping ops, so I have to go in with the assumption that he was genuinely calling ops)
* SleepLevi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
<SpookyBee> My illogical distrust protocol stands.
<Pig_catapult> DrBob, our slur policy is "if it's making another user uncomfortable, you stop". This is not a point that can be negotiated.
<Joreth> Pig_catapult: It's all good, spookybee and lily are just echoing what ProcyonLotor keep telling me to do
<DrBob> Thanks!
<DrBob> Pig_catapult: thank you - I will remember that.
<Pig_catapult> Joreth oh goddamn it
<DrBob> I am made very uncomfortable by all the bashing of our President.
<DrBob> I find it highly offensive.
<Lily> DrBob: I am made very uncomfortable by the stuff trump has said and does
<SpookyBee> it's hard to bash a smashed pumpkin.
<Lily> DrBob: trump is quite frankly disgusting
<DrBob> See, that is a continuation of bashing and trashing that makes me very uncomfortable.
<DrBob> And I am requesting that you don't do it around me.
<Pig_catapult> DrBob do you understand what a "slur" is?
<Joreth> Pig_catapult: it's alright, you did the right thing to do, and frankly if any other user is piled on like this it does seem harsh
<Joreth> Pig_catapult: I appreciate your concern though <3
<Joreth> pls ban lily for bully
<Pig_catapult> Joreth <3 I can't tell if that request is serious or not
<SpookyBee>  ban the heretics
<Lily> DrBob: that's not a slur, it is me defending my basic humanity. Trump supporters, many of them, do not like people like me and would gladly deny my human rights. Many of them already do.
<SpookyBee> ban the nonbelievers
<DrBob> noun
<DrBob> noun: slur; plural noun: slurs
<DrBob>     1.
<DrBob>     an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.
<AidenEldritch> DrBob: smart-assing the ops is a fucking stupid thing to do
<AidenEldritch> by the by
<Lily> DrBob: I will speak out against trump until he is no longer relevant or around
<DrBob> Then you are going to be makign me uncomfortable.
<Lily> DrBob: I will also speak out against his supporters and allies and political beliefs
<DrBob> And I request that you stop doing so in my presence.
* anqxyr (~anqxyr@93633429.DA5904B1.83943420.IP) has joined
* ChanServ gives channel half-operator status to anqxyr
<Joreth> Pig_catapult: nah if I wanted to ping with a serious request I definitely would PM someone serious (I might joke a little too much so it's hard to tell)
<Lily> Well I am sorry for that but I can't agree with your request
<Lily> Donald Trump is not a minority group, he is a dangerous person and is president of the usa
<DrBob> So you choose to keep on with something that you have been told upsets someon?
<ghostpage> DrBob, Trump can kill me by removing medicaid, I think you can handle me saying he deserves to be removed from presidency and the political system in general. Human lives being lost is not equal to discomfort.
<Lily> DrBob: are you trolling now?
<Pig_catapult> DrBob: No-one has uttered a slur about Trump
<DrBob> Actually, he can't remove Medicaid.
<Lily> DrBob: using a racial slur is different from saying "I do not like trump as he is an awful person"
<DrBob> I know about Medicaid - it is my business.
<DrBob> Actually, what is the difference?
<ghostpage> DrBob, then how come the ACA has been repealed?
<DrBob> ACA isn't Medicaid.
* Pig_catapult sets mode +m on #site19
<Pig_catapult> 1)We are not arguing about the ACA right now.
<Pig_catapult> 2) A slur is a derogatory word that insults a marginalized group.
<Pig_catapult> 3) DrBob, I am going to kick you if you don't cut out this false equivalency bullshit right now.
* Pig_catapult sets mode -m on #site19
<DrBob> Kick me as in ban me or kick me as in physically assault me?
<ghostpage> Sorry, Piffy. Didn't mean to distract the convo.
* mf99k has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
* Pig_catapult has kicked DrBob from #site19 (what do you fucking think?)
* DrBob (~chatzilla@synIRC-ED82738.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined
<DrBob> I see, you can't handle free speech.
<tretter> Mate, that's not what free speech means.
* AidenEldritch sets ban on *!*@synIRC-ED82738.ph.ph.cox.net
<AidenEldritch> for a person who loves free speech, you sure do seem pretty opposed to people disagreeing with your political views
* Pig_catapult has kicked DrBob from #site19 (I am not the US government. In this chatroom, I am your dictator. Deal.)