[3:03:46 PM] Aler: [August-21-14 10:34 PM] Thomas Fryar:

<<< Pegasus: LA+1. +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution. 40 land speed. 50 fly speed (average manueverability). Cloud Walk stays the same. Gliding Stays. Speed strut is redundant because you can fly slightly above the ground. Head in the Clouds stays. Non-Dextrous stays.
[3:03:55 PM] Jack of Diamonds: and -2 con
[3:03:56 PM] Jack of Diamonds: wut
[3:03:56 PM] Jack of Diamonds: haermm
[3:04:16 PM] Aler: It's also -2 CONS on the pre-established pone doc
[3:04:16 PM] Jack of Diamonds: LA+1
[3:04:19 PM] Aler: ponefinder doc*
[3:04:34 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Jesus
[3:04:52 PM] Aler: +2 DEX +2 CHA -2 CONS
[3:05:23 PM] Aler: A soft reset has been put up for vote to accomidate dis shiz doe.
[3:05:31 PM] Jack of Diamonds: So your group robbed them of their dex AND their ability to cast spells, forcing them into a martial path and then kept the con gimp and the +1 LA?
[3:05:45 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Jesus
[3:05:49 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Fire your R&D crew
[3:07:04 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Con is the single most important stat, arguably in the whole game, but especially for non casters, low con can cripple a character, and you took away their ability to excell as oracles and sorcerers
[3:07:05 PM] Jack of Diamonds: o_O
[3:08:23 PM] Aler: That was for Pega doe hue
[3:08:34 PM] Aler: Not all of the races for LA's
[3:08:38 PM] Aler: looking through logs atm
[3:08:45 PM] Jack of Diamonds: I know, I'm talking specifically about pegasi
[3:08:47 PM] Jack of Diamonds: you crippled them
[3:09:15 PM] Aler: Keep in mind also, High Fantasy, level 4 starting
[3:09:19 PM] Jack of Diamonds: that makes it worse
[3:09:41 PM] Aler:  <@Alerderna> [10:34:07 PM] Thomas Fryar: Pegasus: LA+1. +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution. 40 land speed. 50 fly speed (average manueverability). Cloud Walk stays the same. Gliding Stays. Speed strut is redundant because you can fly slightly above the ground. Head in the Clouds stays. Non-Dextrous stays.
[22:37] <@Alerderna> [10:34:31 PM] Thomas Fryar: also considering letting players take a feat that improves manueverability by 1 step up each time they take it up to a maximum of perfect
[22:37] <@Alerderna> [10:35:17 PM] Thomas Fryar: if you like you might also give them the ability to make minor weather affects if conditions are right
[3:10:31 PM] Jack of Diamonds: that feat wouldn't be useful because of the Fly skill, it's better to just spend skill points than blow a feat
[3:10:37 PM] Jack of Diamonds: anyway yeah, that's terrible
[3:11:04 PM] Jack of Diamonds: the only reason to play a pegasus with those racia traits is because fuck yeah pegasi o_O
[3:11:39 PM] Aler: HM. May tweak it or smth.
[3:12:05 PM] Aler: You've seen the full racial shiz of the Pega's in the Ponyfinder doc?
[3:12:17 PM] Jack of Diamonds: The ponyfinder mock up page, yeah
[3:12:23 PM] Jack of Diamonds: not sure about what doc you mean
[3:12:43 PM] Aler: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GH6H2O2dYpkzSViZF9uS8keNAeMeLHDHId3vBjR9iY/edit# this'n
[3:12:49 PM] Aler: Literally, found this on Google
[3:14:38 PM] Jack of Diamonds: ah, never seen this, no
[3:15:37 PM] Aler: (3rp)Flight: Pegasi are able to fully use their wings at level 1. At 1st level, Pegasi are clumsy (-8) they are poor at 4th level (-4) average at 7th (-0) good at 10th (+4) and perfect at 13th (+8). Additionally, Pegasi always treat Fly as a class skill.
[3:16:27 PM] Jack of Diamonds: yeah, that's a letter better constructed
[3:18:07 PM] Aler: That's what we're basing the transition off of for races
[3:18:28 PM] Jack of Diamonds: you mighta been better off not changing anything
[3:19:20 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Yeesh, Head in the Clouds is still there
[3:19:26 PM] Aler: Female Names: Apple Fritter, Pinkie Pie, Octavia, Bon Bon, Fiddlesticks.
[3:19:33 PM] Aler: Yes, my masssteeerrr.
[3:19:34 PM] Jack of Diamonds: but at least they have a cha bonus
[3:19:51 PM] Aler: Bat's don't fly, that's the thing. Just glide.
[3:20:17 PM] Aler: But if you go with a Bat with a CHA of 13 or higher, you get Darkness and Shadow Weapon once per day
[3:20:40 PM] Aler: EBUTT, if you're in a brightly lit area, said Bat is Dazzled until it gets outta there
[3:21:10 PM] Jack of Diamonds: not bad
[3:21:16 PM] Jack of Diamonds: good thing you can cast darkness to offset it
[3:21:17 PM] Jack of Diamonds: =p
[3:21:18 PM] Aler: And Darkvision
[3:21:48 PM] Aler: +2 CON +2 CHA but -1 WIS
[3:21:51 PM] Aler: -2 *
[3:22:11 PM] Aler: And (3rp)Moon Shadow: Lunar Ponies receive a +2 racial bonus on Stealth and Perception checks. (+3 if the moon is present) In addition, they are
always counted as class skills.
[3:22:25 PM] Aler: Jesus, look at me. I'm sperging out over Pathfinder shiz. Never thought I'd be doing this.
[3:22:26 PM] Jack of Diamonds: lul
[3:22:29 PM] Aler: Like, 'tall
[3:22:40 PM] Jack of Diamonds: The bat is just better at what you seem to want
[3:22:45 PM] Jack of Diamonds: and probably in general
[3:23:05 PM] Jack of Diamonds: +2 con and cha, only loses wis
[3:23:25 PM] Aler: Mud's looked well rounded, doe.
[3:24:12 PM] Jack of Diamonds: I'm kinda buttmad you guys shafted flying horses D<
[3:24:22 PM] Aler: I didn't shaft flying horses 'tall D:
[3:24:34 PM] Aler: Blame the original doc creator from long ago d:
[3:24:39 PM] Aler: D: *
[3:25:05 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Your crew took away their cha while keeping head in the clouds
[3:25:08 PM] Jack of Diamonds: you nerfed their flight
[3:25:15 PM] Jack of Diamonds: you added +1 LA
[3:26:10 PM] Aler: Bat's are prolly gunna be shafted worseTM
[3:26:15 PM] Jack of Diamonds: How?
[3:26:22 PM] Jack of Diamonds: What you've told me already makes them better lol
[3:27:57 PM] Aler: Did ye look at tthe full on doc? Mud's seem to be top-tier for Ponyfinder shiz. EBUTT I WILL BE DELIVARING OPINIONS TO THE ONE WHO IS DOING LEVEL ADJUSTMENTS
[3:28:05 PM] Aler: Or I can see if he's busy and bring him in here lel
[3:28:07 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Fire him
[3:28:10 PM] Jack of Diamonds: That's my opinion
[3:28:33 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Hm
[3:29:26 PM] Jack of Diamonds: MEH.
[3:31:09 PM] Aler: hm
[3:31:18 PM] Aler: NEXT QUESTION REQUIRING AN OPINION
[3:31:45 PM] Aler: What would you think about just simply throwing all the LA's out the window and just figure out which race best fits a core race?
[3:32:10 PM] Aler: 'Cause the same guy was saying that Bat's were most likely Elves in regards to race
[3:32:32 PM] Jack of Diamonds: So like, just "Earth pones are humans, Pegasi are Wood Elves, Unicorns are High Elves"?
[3:32:40 PM] Aler: kind of thing yeh
[3:32:46 PM] Jack of Diamonds: That could work to an extent but you'd need to account for things
[3:33:02 PM] Jack of Diamonds: My advice is honestly to disregard the ponyfinder doc entirely
[3:33:08 PM] Aler: o?
[3:33:12 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Mhm.
[3:33:24 PM] Jack of Diamonds: It's just another man's homebrew
[3:33:27 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Make your own.
[3:33:30 PM] Jack of Diamonds: I'll even help
[3:33:37 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Heck I, off the top of my head
[3:33:46 PM] Jack of Diamonds: have already figured out a piss-easy way to implement unicorn ponies
[3:34:07 PM] Aler: >yfw it's an actual published book now
[3:34:36 PM] Aler: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/115547/Ponyfinder--Race-Book
[3:35:11 PM] Aler: wait the fuck
[3:35:38 PM] Aler: http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/16/16087.phtml here
[3:37:28 PM] Aler: it'sactuallyonPazio'swebsiteIneverknewthis
[3:37:38 PM] Aler: http://paizo.com/products/btpy979q?Ponyfinder-Campaign-Setting
[3:37:42 PM] Jack of Diamonds: EXAMPLE
Unicorn ponies are inherently magical, their caster level for their racial abilities is their class level.
All unicorns can use telekinesis
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/telekinesis
As the spell, regardless of their ability scores.

So a level 1 unicorn can move an object less than 25 pounds, not too terrifying or broken.
A level 20 one can however move around 500 pounds by thinking at it! Ohoho!

At levels X, Y, and Z they learn one additional spell tied to their Special Talent they can use at will.
[3:38:23 PM] Aler: There was a huge shit storm regarding TK comparing it to mage hand.
[3:38:31 PM] Aler: How it could hold both a weapon and a shield
[3:38:57 PM] Aler: Idea was not popular what so ever with the majority
[3:39:20 PM] Aler: http://www.ftpsearch.co/browse/108.192.86.110/New+Folder/Silver+Games+LLC/Ponyfinder_-_Race_Book.pdf Found something
[3:39:38 PM] Jack of Diamonds: Er, I can't find that anywhere in the spell description