Randy Credico Interviewed by H.A. Goodman (12/3/2017)

Supplemental document for: "Theory that Roger Stone's back channel to Wikileaks was Randy Credico", link: https://wakelet.com/wake/2d352ae9-febe-44a1-a7bb-51674a2e4bf5

Randy Credico on H.A. Goodman's podcast. Transcript is from 6:20 to the end of the file. Broadcast date: December 3, 2017.

File link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8_cf_McCGk

Before this point in the interview, Goodman and Credico struggle as Credico is unable to set up a Skype connection. Throughout the interview, Credico comes across as very drunk.

H.A. GOODMAN
Tell me, how did you get started in radio.

RANDY CREDICO
Well, first of all, I started out in comedy. I was on the "Tonight Show", way back in 1984, with Johnny Carson. I started out in Vegas, back in the mid-seventies, as a stand-up comedian. I've done _many_ television shows, as a stand-up...comedian, including Charlie Rose's show, who's now gone, Johnny Carson's show. I've done so many TV shows, and then, I- In 1997, I did Richard Belzer's HBO Special, which was called "Another Lone Nut", and...afterwards, I said, you know what? I'm getting bored with doing comedy, and I ran the William Mose Kunstler Fund For Racial Justice outfit for the next...fifteen years. And I worked in the prison...trying to help people get out of prison. In New York, it was the Rockefeller drug laws, Texas...it was the Tulia, uh, forty six. And, at the same time, I was doing comedy...I've always been in radio! I've been in radio since I was uuuh nineteen years old, with the "Joe Delaney Show" in Las Vegas. So I've done it uh for nineteen minus six, sixty three minus nineteen is...what? I mean, I can't even believe I'm that old. Forty four years I've been in radio. And I'm a performer, my father ran a club in Southern California, called the Royal Tahitian, which was in a city called Ontario, California, which had Louis Armstrong, it had uuuuh the great Bobby Darin, it had...Sonny and Cher, it had Ray Charles, and I could go on for about two weeks...with the celebrities. Mostly _black_ performers. Ink Spots, uuuuuh, and Harry Belafonte, so I got to meet all of these performers when I was eight or nine years old, up until I was thirteen. And I became a performer myself, five years later.

GOODMAN
Wow.

CREDICO
And...so...uuuuum, I met Mort Sahl in 1975-

GOODMAN
I love Mort Sahl.

CREDICO
-satirist, and Mort Sahl said, "Hey look, why don't you get into political humor? What the hell are you doing-" I'm an impressionist. [does Nixon] I started out doing Richard Milhous Nixon. [does Humphrey] And Hubert H. Humphrey, all these people back then. [does Reagan] And then when Reagan won, I was doing Reagan back in 1980. And all these other people. [does Jack Nicholson - it just sounds like an old drunk with a dry mouth] But I was also doing voices like Jack Nicholson, all these other people [leaves Nicholson, which he was barely doing], I was an impressionist. [Nicholson again, I guess] "Do you understand the truth, H.A. Goodman?"

GOODMAN
Hahahaha. [forced] That's good, that's good. [said like when a very old relative tells a joke]

CREDICO
Alright, so I'm an impress- I'm one of the finest impressionists on the planet. But I became very political, and then when I met Kunstler in 1986, in New York City, I got off the- I did the "Tonight Show". By the way, 1984. And I slammed the Reagan administration's policy in Central America, supporting the Contras, and because of that, I made a very nasty remark about the ambassador to the UN at the time, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, I never got back on national TV for a long time. So...I- And then I decided many years later, let me do something, like Mother Theresa crap. Like, you go out and help people in prison, and I did! I spent a lot of time doing that, I got five awards - I got awards from Mothers of the uh uh- Madres de Plaza de Argentina [sic - Madres de Plaza de Mayo / Mothers of the Disappeared], these other kids during the dirty war that Kissinger started, South America - and they all hate Hillary by the way, because Hillary, and Kissinger are that close, we can talk about Honduras later, if you have time, about what she did to Berta Cáceres there, and what's going on right now, this is all Hillary stuff. And Bill Clinton stuff. Bill Clinton and Mena air strip, we can talk about all of that, but, so- [does Clinton, which is old drunk, dry mouth, southern accent] "I was doing my stuff about Bill Clinton, back in the 90s, his support of the death penalty, a guy who was missing his brain, who was Ricky Ray Rector, and his support, and his closeness with the Mena airstrip, with- drugs through the U.S., for arms to the Contras-" Are you listening to me?

GOODMAN
Absolutely.

CREDICO
Alright, so I'm going off the map here. So, when I started to go to radio, I'd been doing it forever. And that includes Roger Stone's radio show, I did his radio show, but I- I- I've done radio for the last thirty six years, and then two years ago, I started my own show at WBAI, called "Randy Credico Live on the Fly" [sic - started for a few months with an early morning program called "I Can't Believe You're Up This Early" before switching to "Live on the Fly"], And it is no longer on there, I'd been getting crap from management there, the corrupt management, ever since the outset of "Julian Assange: Countdown to Freedom" [his series devoted to Assange]. And you did the second one, by the way.

GOODMAN
I know. I was very honored, and I thank you for that.

CREDICO
You were on a very very important series, that led to my dismissal at WBAI. But certainly, is a...very important series, that brought up everybody together, from his lawyers, to activists, to people like yourself, on youtube, that was a significant- of course, I've been following you for a long time. And I know, I have a friend of mine, the great Professor Irwin Corey, who just died, may he rest in peace. His son, Richard Corey, is watching right now, is the one that turned me on to H.A. Goodman.

GOODMAN
You, I...know him very well. He's a very good friend of mine.

CREDICO
Alright, well, his father...Professor Irwin Corey, I worked in Las Vegas with, in 1977. At the Sahara Hotel, and he was a radical then, and he was a radical, and the last day I saw him was last year at this time, on the Superbowl day, he didn't want to watch it, so I left, and then he died the same day.

GOODMAN
Oh my god.

CREDICO
But Richard Corey is a super-fan of yours. And watches you, repeatedly. I hope that he donates to your network, I know he's listening, and he should, because of the great service that you have done, as a- as a supporter of Wikileaks, and I can tell you, because I was just in the embassy, in London, that Mr. Assange really appreciates what you have done, the sacrifices you have made, and the great contributions that you have done on a regular basis, in support of a free press.

GOODMAN
Well, that means- that means a great deal to me. And uh- I-

CREDICO
I get it from the horse's mouth. Right there. Right across from Harrods, which cost me a lot of money for lunch.

GOODMAN
Well, that means a great deal to me, and I think Julian Assange is a hero, and I think Wikileaks are heroes, and I think, Randy, that you are a hero, for...speaking out, and for being such a strong, vocal ally, of Assange, and Wikileaks, and- Which leads me to my next question, what's going on with that subpoena?

CREDICO
Oh, I was hoping you wouldn't get to that. Well, I'm going to be appearing next Fr- a week from Friday, the fifteenth, the last day of session, before the holiday break, up until next year, they had me on the very last- Imagine that, the very last day. They had me in there, in the Star Chamber, on the fifteenth, to talk about, me- I guess, I really haven't seen anything, other than rumors, about me being the intermediary between Roger Stone and Julian Assange. So, it's- You've seen the letter. I've sent it to you. You've seen the subpoena. You've seen _the letter_, that I got from them, it's like- It looks like, you know, one of those huge dictionaries from the 19th century. It's so big. There are so many- The parameters and the things I'm supposed to preserve, all of these documents, all of these emails, and anything related to Russia-gate. So, I mean, it's like, you know, I am now- I am now- I have to go, and as you know, I did that series on Assange, I just visited him three times in the last two months. It's not about Roger Stone. This is about...Wikileaks and chilling supporters like you and everyone else out there who have the- the wherewithal and the commitment, and the integrity, to stand behind Mr. Assange. I went there, and, you know, you go in there three times into that embassy, YOU KNOW YOU'RE BEING FOLLOWED! You know that GCHQ [Government Communications Headquarters - a rough analogy would be the British NSA] is following you.

GOODMAN
Yeah.

CREDICO
So...but the thing is, it's that important that Julian Assange has the protection of people like yourself, getting the word out, because, he has put his liberty and his life...on the line. And I can tell you, it's not like he's in the, in the uuuuh, in the, a great hotel there, he's not in Trump Tower, where he is, in that embassy. An embassy- when you go into it, it's split into three parts. Goes to the right, upstairs and to the left, and there's like...like a couple of rooms, and he's got to share it with everybody else. And there's no sunlight.

GOODMAN
Wow.

CREDICO
He is- He is- And he _continues_ to produce. You know that?

GOODMAN
Yeah. I mean- I just-

CREDICO
And so I have to appear before this committee, and they wanna come up with this thing about Roger Stone, who has been...he, basically is- is like- they made him into Jack the Ripper, you know? And [GOODMAN laughs] to be associated with him- [GOODMAN: Yeah.] For me, to be associated with Jack the Ripper, it kinda under- undermines my own credibility, and he's not Jack the Ripper, by the way. He- I've known the guy for eighteen years. He's basically a showman.

GOODMAN
Yeah. [pause] Why- So, that's why- that's why- That's the whole thing? It's not your- Your vocal support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks, it is some connection they think you have with Roger Stone?

CREDICO
Well, that's that's the reason I got the- I don't know! I think the main reason- Here, what do you think- You don't think when you have seventeen intelligence agencies, which is an oxymoron, because there's no intelligence in these intelligent agencies [dead silence], when they come out and say that, it was _Russia_, that definitely did it, and Assange was the...was a conduit- We know, you and I know, that that's complete bullshit.

GOODMAN
Well now it's only three and they're moderate to highly confident.

CREDICO
It's down to three, and- You know, and- The other day, I'm watching on one of these local, not local, these MSNBC or CNN, they either put on James Clapper, or this guy Michael Hayden, and all these other paid hacks, to promote a false narrative. You and I know that, there is nothing to...this investigation. And so, I provided another can of fumes. To keep it going. That's it.

GOODMAN
What is...I guess, before we get into, like whistleblowers, and Wikileaks, and everything, what is your next...So you're no longer at WBAI. Are you going to continue your radio show?

CREDICO
Uuuuuuh- Can you- I just- Am I still here? Am I- Well, I don't know. I'm doing- I'm working with Dennis Bernstein right now, I was just in London covering the Stefania Maurizi- [GOODMAN: Yeah.] hearing, which you already spoke about, she's trying to get access to the Crown Prosecutor's Services, uuuh conversations, by email, with the Swedish prosecutors. And you know what happened there. They said "DO NOT COME TO LONDON! And interview Julian Assange- because he'll be exonerated, and we won't have a pretext to keep him here." That's what happened. And Stefania Maurizi was there, challenging to get that information that they suppressed. They were secretly talking with...the Swedish prosecutor, Ms. Ny [Marianne Ny], about keeping Julian Assange there...by way of not entering the embassy and interviewing him. He was cleared. There was nothing to these bogus charges of rape, those were all _lies_. And they knew they were lies, the uh Crown Prosecutor Services- _Knew_ they were lies, but they didn't want those to be exposed as lies. So they told the Swedish Prosecutor, "Stay there!" And they suppressed those emails, to a journalist, from La Repubblica, who's like you, H.A. Goodman, very very vigorous...and rigorous, and honest, and she pursued and pursued and pursued, and I was at those hearings. [GOODMAN: Wow.] And so, they put the government on trial. And we'll see. She should win that case.

GOODMAN
I hope so...I mean, I- I- truly believe in my heart, and I truly truly believe that Julian Assange will be free. Ummm- within, you know, the near future. And free-

CREDICO
I think in the next six months he'll finally get out of there. Uh, you know, with the aid of your supporters out there, your supporters have got to...follow you, follow Julian, get the information out, it's rea- Everyone that's watching you right now, they should double up, this is- We need winter soldiers right now. Not summer soldiers. And we are going into winter. As Thomas Paine said, "We need winter soldiers," right now, and they're going after Assange, this government here, this war government, the same way they went after uuuuuh, people like Garrison, or Elijah Lovejoy, or David Walker [these are all abolitionist writers and publishers], David Walker's appeal [Walker's Appeal link: http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/walker/menu.html ], and all of those abolitionist writers, who were either murdered, or isolated, by the slave power. So, we've got that right now, we got the war power that doesn't want Julian Assange to be heard. It's really important that you can continue- You play a very significant role right now, because you have enlightened so many people. I mean, look- I've learned from you! I watch you!

GOODMAN
Well, thank you, Randy. I appreciate that greatly. And I learn from you-

CREDICO
And you know the true information here. The real- The real collusion here, the ones that underminded [sic] our already fragile democracy, if you wanna call it a democracy, were people like Paul Begala, and Donna Brazile, and all these other clowns, that are on the payroll. David uh Brock, and anyone at the DNC, by keeping Bernie Sanders- That was our one shot. Since McGovern, to have somebody that represented the people. That's- THE LAST VOTE that I did, was '72, my first vote was McGovern, and then I did it again...this last year for Bernie Sanders, and I got screwed because my vote wasn't counted here in Brooklyn.

GOODMAN
No, I agree 100% with you. And uh- What do you...what do you...I guess, one question, I want to ask is: what have you learned from this whole process, this, I guess, your years in politics and what has taken place with Julian Assange, and how...how the power structure reacts to whistleblowers. What have you learned, through all of this?

CREDICO
Well, what I've- I don't know what I've- What can I say? What I've learned is they don't like whistleblowers. They don't like Thomas Drake - Thomas Drake, by the way, has been one of my biggest supporters and advocates, and he's got me through the last couple of weeks, Thomas Drake. I speak to him on a daily-

GOODMAN
[over CREDICO] He's an amazing guy.

CREDICO
I talk to him on a daily basis, you know Thomas Drake, and- [GOODMAN: Yeah.] I'm sure your audience does. He has given me a lot of support, he's gone on radio and television shows, supporting me, and, you know, what have I learned? That they will...you know, for money, and for power, people will sell their souls. You know, I- Chris Hayes, the other day, called me the "Missing Link", in Russia-gate. I'm the guy-

GOODMAN
Chris Hayes is out of his f-ing mind.

CREDICO
In other words, he's saying that, that we finally have the missing link....uuuuuuh, with the Trump win. It was me. In Russia-gate. That we finally have the one. That it's me. Okay? And didn't call me up, didn't ask for my opinion, didn't go through my past. I'm not a spoiled kid. My father did ten years in prison, before I was born. Alright? And he was able to make a life for himself. He never ratted on anyone, he could have gotten off on a light sentence, he rat- I don't rat on people. I- You know, and Chris Hayes, went to a nice Ivy League school, and he's got this great gig with Rachel Maddow, and the two of them are paid by _Boeing_. Okay? Boeing and Chuck Todd, they get their money from Boeing. The war machine. It's so- Now, that is transparent. Okay? Because you look at the ads, that's where they get their money. And so, they're playing a role, they wanna have a soft war with Russia - not a nuclear war - they want a soft war with Russia, and that's what this- Let's be honest: WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT? This is about having a Cold War again. Putting- Why don't- Why doesn't Chris Hayes volunteer his kids? To go to Estonia, or Poland, uuuh, or to Eastern uuuuuh Ukraine, to fight the Russians. Alright? IS THAT WHAT HE WANTS? [anyone who has ever had to deal with an aggressive, drunk relative will recognize Credico's voice very well here]

GOODMAN
He-he- Yeah, well, the main thing is- He wants- Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow, all of them, is to justify the one point two billion dollar Hillary Clinton loss.

CREDICO
Right. That's true, too. They- they just can't get over it. Julian Assange did not tell Hillary Clinton to stay out of Wisconsin, and stay out of Pennsylvania, and stay out of Michigan. It wasn't- [GOODMAN says something inaudible] Assange, somebody else told her that. That said, "Know what? I can make more money off of your campaign if you don't go there. It'll be a couple hundred thousand dollars for me, David Brock, if you don't go there." Okay? So, that's the reason why she lost, and she lost because people like me were not going to vote for a woman, a Wall Street whore, like her, not going to vote for a person _that_ was responsible for the killing of Berta Cáceres in Honduras, what she did to Libya, destroyed Libya, her support of the war in Afghanistan - now sixteen years, sixteen years, in Afghanistan - and she supported that, open ended, and she supported the slaughter in Iraq, and drone strikes everywhere. WHY WOULD I vote for a human being like that?

GOODMAN
Well, what they- What Chris Hayes would say is, Trump is worse.

CREDICO
Yeah, well, you can say Mussolini was worse than Tojo then. Alright? That's not a reason to support either one of them.

GOODMAN
Yeah. I agree.

CREDICO
Who was worse, Tojo or Mussolini?

GOODMAN
Ah, yeah, you could flip a coin.

CREDICO
I'll let you think about that for a while, I'm gonna ask Chris Hayes that, if I do his show- But why would it have been any better with Hillary. The wars would have continued, the death penalty would have continued, the tax cuts would have happened...she was owned by Wall Street. She was- It was- You know, wouldn't have been a diff- You know, you know, if Bernie Sanders had won, and he wasn't as radical as I would have liked him to be, alright? So, if Bernie Sanders had won that primary [no idea which primary he means], which he should have won, instead of stacking up all these primaries in the South, where they couldn't have won anyway, in the general election. I WON MORE VOTES...than Bernie Sanders, YEAH, in states that you can't _win_. That no Democrat can win. Mississippi. Arkansas. All these states she piled up the votes, they- they stacked it in a way, where the Democrat, the most conservative would win. The- the one that is controlled by the system, would win, and keep a guy like Bernie Sanders- WHY DIDN'T THEY HAVE THE FIRST five primaries in Michigan, in Minnesota, and California. And then do Alabama, Mississippi, and the states that no Democrat can win, anyway, do those at the end.

GOODMAN
Yeah, I know, I agree with you. I agree with you. It's just a- What do you think of- I guess the cognitive dissonance, or the fact that people don't want to realize that what a whistleblower does, or what Wikileaks or Julian Assange, Thomas Drake, Jeffrey Sterling, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden - these people just, in a way, provide a mirror, for society to look at themselves, or for people to realize what elites, or those in power are hiding from them. Why can't- Why can't the average...Democrat, or the average American, I think the average American does appreciate Wikileaks, but, why are people so uh, why don't they accept the truth? Why don't they want to know the truth about spying, or about wars, or the Democratic primary. Why do they push back so- so hard?

CREDICO
You talking about the public, the public would like to know, but the uuuuh elite media doesn't want them, the public, to know. That's the problem. You know, Chris Hayes, you know, who once was a pretty good guy, I think, when, way back, he was with the Nation, but uuuuh, and- and Chris Matthews, they don't want us to- they don't want us to know. But you have to take a look at who's paying for their gigs there. The people that are paying for their gigs, like, you can't be corrupted, because...people subscribe to you. You can't be corrupted. I suppose if you- If people did not support you, you...there'd be a possibility that you could be corrupted, but the fact that you're free, because you're not- you don't- you don't owe anybody any favors here. So, you can say exactly what's on your mind.

GOODMAN
Uuuuuuuuuuuuh-

CREDICO
Unfortunately, a guy like Chris Hayes, and Rachel Maddow, they like the...the perks they get now. They- One makes six million a year, the other makes two million dollars a year. A lot of it is subsidized by programs like "Lock Up", these racist- this racist- it's the most racist show, they show the most- What would you call it, sadistic, voyeuristic show, and as Howard Fineman once told me, the reason why MSNBC has "Lock Up" on, which is like, it's like "COPS", but with people in prison, is because it's a cash cow, cheap to make, and it pays for Rachel Maddow, and Chris's salary. He actually said that to me when I was in uh New Hampshire, Manchester, 2016, for the primary, and hanging out with uh with the Sanders campaign. So, I asked him at that hotel, "Well, why do you- why do you-" And then Chris Hayes says, "Look, I don't like it." [Again: Randy Credico is a flagrant liar, so there is a question as to how factual it is. His last place of employment, WBAI, would try to raise money by selling fake cancer cures.] But the fact is, they work for a commercial network. And they have to compromise their principles, unfortunately. And part of that compromise is not distilling, and telling us the truth, about what Wikileaks has brought us [sic]. The war logs. People- I want to know about the war logs. Why didn't _they_ have an investigative reporter there, to show, what was going on, in Iraq. What was going on in Afghanistan. What's going on, now, in Yemen. What went on in Honduras, when the State Department collaborated with the coup in...oh my god, my mouth is really dry here. I can see, when you do that, it means my mouth is dry. Alright? So-

GOODMAN
Yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree with you.

CREDICO
So, they do not want- They do not want this word- They do not want this word to get out. You know, they should be, they should be supporting- A real free press would be supporting the Thomas Drakes, the William Binneys- William Binney's not like some left-winger, by the way, William Binney's like to the right, much to the right of the me [Binney voted for Trump, as revealed in this bombshell article on him briefing the Director of the CIA on a VIPS conspiracy theory: https://theintercept.com/2017/11/07/dnc-hack-trump-cia-director-william-binney-nsa/ ] But this is really- What's really interesting, is that there are people on the right, and to the left, politically, you know, when it comes to social and economic uuuuuuh ideals, is that, on this, they come together, that they don't want big government to be watching after us. They don't want lies. They don't want wars. You can be a conservative, you can be a leftist, whatever. Some of us come together, right here, on this issue. William Binney...I love William Binney. And he's a conservative. Did you know that?

GOODMAN
I did not know that. I love William Binney.

CREDICO
They make it out like he's Che Guevera.

GOODMAN
Yeah. I love William Binney also. And Ray McGovern's awesome.

CREDICO
He's a principled individual. And Thomas Drake, who spent twenty years in the service, highly decorated, or Marine, or Navy Officer, and then at the NSA, at the top of the- he was right up at the very top, and he was more interested in saving the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, than he was in money. And supporting the scams that the NSA has pulled on us. Thomas Drake is one of the greatest American heroes, in the history of this country.

GOODMAN
I agree with you. He's a really amazing individual. Especially-

CREDICO
Can you imagine the amount of pressure he went through? Thomas Drake? Being charged under the espionage act, by this- this scam president, Barack Obama? Barack Obama? Who studied law, and taught law? And he's going to go after a guy who put his life on the line, a guy who was ten times more brilliant? Barack Obama went after Thomas Drake?

GOODMAN
I still can't believe that- that John Kiriakou is the only person to have served prison because- for actually whistleblowing, and let the whole world know about the- the enhanced interrogation quote unquote "torture" program.

CREDICO
Yeah. Right. That's true, he's the only one to go. The people that did the torture did not go, including that woman that was involved in the kidnapping in Italy. Craig Murray, you know Craig Murray. He's a very close friend of mine, he exposed the torture in Uzbekistan, CIA torture sites there, where they actually boiled people alive. They actually boiled- And there's so much forensic evidence of that. And he ended up getting sacked, by Tony Blair, who was a- you know, a runner, a runner, or...a gofer for George [W.] Bush. Tony Blair and Jack Straw. They allowed that to happen, in Uzbekistan, not just by the U.S., CIA, but by M-16 [sic - MI6], out of Britain. They actually tortured and they- they boiled people- Now, this is stuff that you read about, like in the 16th century, boiling people in lye.

GOODMAN
Yeah.

CREDICO
They did that! With the help of the CIA! And the- And the- Who wants to read about that? They don't want us to know about that. I'm interested in it. Aren't you interested in that? That we're paying tax dollars to boil people alive? In Uzbekistan? Because there is a big pipeline they'd like to build, the CIA? And there's a repressive government there, and they have this mutual uh need, the CIA and the government of Karimov, in Uzbekistan, which is- they want a pipeline there for oil and gas, and they want to use the rationale of fighting terrorism, to repress its people, which is what the Karimov government in Uzbekistan did. And Craig Murray, who exposed all of that, he ended up getting sacked by the Foreign Commonwealth Office, out of London.

GOODMAN
Wow. Yeah. And it's a- It's just...it's unbelievable, how people...how so many people don't want to know the truth. And...how...I always find it amusing when the CIA keeps- when Pompeo keeps saying, "Oh, you know, we're going to go after Wikileaks-" The whole point of the CIA, the NSA, is to protect us from Al-Qaeda or ISIS, or actual threats.

CREDICO
Well, they created those- those organizations. I mean, let's be honest, what happened...during the 1980s, with the Taliban, what happened in 2001? They were all Saudis, and Egyptians, our friends that went into those buildings, and so, what happened in Syria, what happened in- in Yemen, I mean all these things that are happening, we are supporting Saudi Arabia. If you had a video, of what happens daily in Saudi Arabia, and showed it to the public here, then they would say, "Pull all support for Saudi Arabia!" and we won't even talk about their role in 9/11. We know they were involved in 9/11. I don't want to get into that, because I don't want to sound like some conspiracy freak on 9/11. Because that only gets you in trouble, when you talk about 9/11. So...I- I'll get away from that for a minute. Uh- but: what they do, in Saudi Arabia, our support of- If they knew, if the public knew, the vile government that we support, and the women and children that our weapons are used to kill in Yemen, if people knew that there, they would stop-! supporting this government. They don't want us to know, that King Salman was in Washington yesterday, I know he's making some changes, he's making it- He's moving the- the chairs around, who gets to be the chief executioner. But it is a nasty, vile society that we support, in Saudi Arabia, and Julian Assange has exposed that, and since the Washington Post and the New York Times are not going to expose how vile this asshole is, and how vile this government is, we need Assange, and we need Wikileaks, a hundred percent ACCURATE! Not one time have they been able to confute [Credico is very proud he knows this word; he uses it a lot] anything that Wikileaks has put out. I mean, who has that? Who has that percentage? One thousand percent. You do. You have a thousand percent. [Goodman has promoted a number of unfounded conspiracies, including that Seth Rich was murdered for his ties to Wikileaks]

GOODMAN
ABC News just-

CREDICO
H.A. Goodman has a thousand percent, because you've never told any lies.

GOODMAN
Thank you, but- ABC News just suspended Brian Ross, for...basically a fake news story, regarding Flynn.

CREDICO
Yeah, I saw that. But you know...uh uh I-I-I- I saw the fake, I just know, I just heard about that. Uuuuuuuh and so, I don't know- Why did you bring that up? Let me ask you that. Why did you- I really don't know- [sounds coke brain paranoid here]

GOODMAN
Because Wikileaks is pristine, and everything they publish-

CREDICO
Oh right right right right right. I'm sorry. You're right. They fired him for lying, and Wikileaks has never- Wikileaks! Wikileaks is...as we've heard many times, that- that video of Donald Trump, "WIKILEAKS! I LOVE WIKILEAKS!" [sounds nothing like Trump] Alright? "WIKILEAKS! I LOVE WIKILEAKS!" Donna Brazile! Alright, so...umm, I must say, that they just have an impeccable record. So do you, H.A. Goodman, and why more people should subscribe to your network, so you can put this out- Mr. Assange said that you should have one of those pictures a little more to the right.

GOODMAN
[laughs, a little uncomfortably] Alright, I'm gonna- I uh-

CREDICO
He watches your show, but he says one of those pictures should be up to the right, a little bit.

GOODMAN
And he's right. He's right. I gotta do something with this. I don't know what I'm doing...here. But he's right. [Goodman sounds a little unsure about taking interior styling tips from an incoherent drunk]

CREDICO
I think it's the one to the left. I already told you this. I already told you this. A long time ago.

GOODMAN
Yeah, and I-

CREDICO
Something with your photos.

GOODMAN
-show, and it's an honor to me. Uuuuuh, you know, Randy....I- You and I both respect and...you know, Wikileaks, and Julian Assange so much, and we view them to be heroes...and we see eye to eye on politics, for the most part, and I have a question for you: it's kind of a curve ball. Just because- I want to ask you, since you have so much...history, just in terms of politics, and also, radio. But also in terms of comedy. Who are your top five favorite comedians, of all time?

CREDICO
Okay, I'll tell you that. I mean, right now, alive today, well, certainly not Bill Maher, he wouldn't be in my top five million. So, I would say, right now-

GOODMAN
It doesn't have to be alive. Alive or dead.

CREDICO
I would say...what? Alive or dead. Alright. So...

GOODMAN
All time. Alive or dead.

CREDICO
I would go with...Lenny Bruce, is one...I'm gonna put this...Mark Twain. Lenny Bruce. Rene...uh, I mean, uh, Roque...Roquefort [sic - he's mispronouncing Victor Henri Rochefort]. Who was a satirist, during the...uh, the Paris Commune, in France, there's- Let me, get- Pete Barbudi, I love Pete Barbutti. John- I like the older guys that you don't even know about. Mort Sahl, who's flipped over politically. But he had a lot of influence on me [so out of it, that he's forgotten they've already talked about him meeting Sahl]. Mort Sahl, John Byner, David Fry...today, there's...there's a handful of comics that I- I like Jimmy Dore! Jimmy Dore has been very good. Barry Crimmins! Is fantastic. Do you know Barry Crimmins?

GOODMAN
I've heard of him, yeah.

CREDICO
Well, Barry Crimmins, I went to London last year, 2016, to see Barry Crimmins, thirty years after I took a- a group of comedians down to Nicaragua, during the Contra conflict. And I had a- It was my show, called "Humorists Against War". I brought five comics there, and we floated around uuuuh Nicaragua. And it was a great trip. And so, I...back then, thirty years, I went to London with Barry Crimmins, thirty years later, I met with him last year in Leicester Square, in London.

GOODMAN
Oh wow.

CREDICO
In London. This is a significant clue and hint for you. I was in London, on September [sic] 29th through October 2nd. When the Podesta emails were...subsequently sent out. I was there. And why was I- There's a picture of me emerging out of the embassy, everybody's extrapolating, what is that photo all about? Credico has just emerged out of the embassy, but there is a fellow...Barry Crimmins, I spent three days hanging out with him. But I did go to the embassy, how far did I get in? Nobody knows, but me. But that will be coming out, and that's a very significant- Every time you see that photo with me in front of...some British uh cop, behind me, in plainclothes, on a headphone [sic - he has an earpiece]. Take a look at that picture. And that picture...I will explain. After my hearing.

GOODMAN
Wow. Wow. That's uh- That is groundbreaking. And I appreciate you, you know, stating-

CREDICO
I'm dropping a hint here. Do some research on that photo. I talk about it after my hearing's over.

GOODMAN
I certainly, I certainly will. Can I ask you more questions about, I guess- Because it just fascinates me, since you have so much, like a wealth of knowledge, in terms of the music industry, and radio, and comedy. If somebody asked, "Well, who's Randy- name- Who's Randy Credico's favorite bands? Top five favorite bands."

CREDICO
Oh my god, you want me to answer that...but you know- Look, I grew up, I grew up in the sixties, obviously I love the Beatles, back then. Now, if I were my age, and the Beatles came out, I probably wouldn't like them as much. But I would say...that my- my, who do I like? I like Brazilian music, I love Bossa Nova music. I like classical music. I love Louis Armstrong. I got a picture sitting on Louis Armstrong's lap, when I was nine years old. You're too young to remember Louis Armstrong, but I-

GOODMAN
Wooooow. [has all the sincerity of a styrofoam cup] That's amazing.

CREDICO
-was on his lap, nine years old, at my father's club, The Royal Tahitian in Ontario, California, and I sat on his lap, with my brother and sister. He was smoking pot. In the back room. He was big into weed. And uh, I didn't even know what it was, it was a weird smell. I thought it was sage. And so, that picture...I found after thirty years, recently, and I- I took it, this old Polaroid, from 1963, '64, something like that. Fifty years later, went to get it blown up, made nice, guess what? In the cab I was in, the guy made a right turn, and the picture flew out the window, on the highway, and I was never able to recover it.

GOODMAN
Ah.

CREDICO
Alright, you like that story. Who do I like? I like uuuuum, back in the Sixties, I would say I liked Jimmy Hendrix, I liked the Crosby Stills and Nash, because they were anti-war, my goodness...I liked Neil Young back then, there are so many- there are so many great groups in the sixties, and the seventies, early seventies, that were protest groups. That fought against the system. We don't have that anymore. I don't see it. I'm not a big- I know that it's good...for people that like it, I'm too old for rap. I know in rap, there's a lot of supporters of rap-

GOODMAN
Did you ever get into punk?

CREDICO
-know that it's poetic for a lot of people, I just don't know it. Hey H.A., you're like twenty five or thirty years younger than me. So...what is your favorite group?

GOODMAN
Well, you know, I- I have a lot. I could say, just- I was going to ask you if you ever got into punk music, I'd say the Ramones are one of my favorite groups of all time.

CREDICO
I don't know any of their music, that's how old I am. I'm a Luddite, I don't anything about technology. That's why I make a very bad- bad...back channel.

GOODMAN
[small fake laugh] What...what-

CREDICO
I make a very bad back channel. Because I am an old Luddite, man. I'm into- I do impressions. I'm one of the best impressionists. You haven't heard any of my- You go to the documentary on me, by Jack Black, and the gr- Actually, by Laura Kightlinger, and Jack Black, [sic - it's Kightlinger's film, she directed it] called "60 Spins Around The Sun". And there's a whole bunch of uuuuh documentaries that I'm the center of. But that's the main one. It came out in 2003. You saw- You'll see. Sixty. Six oh. The numerals. Spins around the sun. And look at that documentary, and you'll see that I was a hack impressionist, voiceover guy, back in the seventies. In Las Vegas, Reno, and Tahoe. And so-

GOODMAN
What was the-

CREDICO
-music-

GOODMAN
What was Vegas like?

CREDICO
Vegas, yeah, I worked the Sahara. Yeah, it's in there. Vegas hotel. I worked Sahara, I worked the Sands. All the ones that are in Ocean's 11, the original version. With Frank Sinatra. And I- You know, I- Just before Frank Sinatra died, I sat around with him, Steve Schirripa, who was in "The Sopranos", at the Riviera Hotel, he had a huge bottle of Jack Daniels. And he just had his own huge bottle of Jack Daniels, Frank Sinatra. I got great show biz stories. The next time, we've got to talk about show business. Me with Redd Foxx, me with Cary Grant and the- and the- the Dodger Stadium. My- All of my friends...remember, I'm in show business. You know, I was on the "Tonight Show". [GOODMAN: Yeah.] I was on with Johnny Carson.

GOODMAN
That's amazing.

CREDICO
And I- You know, I remember being with Mickey Rooney. I worked with Mickey Rooney for a year. The great, late Mickey Rooney. I worked with the late, great uh, my favorite, Red Buttons. Nineteen eighty, at the Sahara Hotel in Reno.

GOODMAN
Of course, I know who it is. [the synthetic politeness of Goodman has collapsed into exhaustion]

CREDICO
He and I became very- I'm gonna post a picture of him. I'm gonna take the pictures. There's one picture of me and Red Buttons, it was taken at a Mexican restaurant in Reno. And it's bad lighting, but you know it's him, you know it's me, because it's Red Buttons. And I worked with him. And on the night of 1980, before you were born, of the election that Reagan won, he broke down crying, because he was an old time liberal, and he says, "They got all the rope they need, right now, we'll see if they pull it." So, I- That was it. When the show was over, I saw him again, four years later, at George Burns's ninetieth birthday party, at Harrah's...in Atlantic City. And...I hadn't seen the guy in four years. So, this is his ninetieth birthday party. Geroge Burns. He had ninety shitty cigars [GOODMAN laughs, sincerely], Antonio & Cleopatras...cigars, he smoked cheap cigars. Milton Berle smoked the best cigars, by the way. Milton Berle once saw me smoking a cigar, and he looked at it, and he says, "That's a- That is a Barry Manilow cigar." I said, "What's a Barry Manilow cigar?" He says, "That's a band wrapped around a piece of shit." So...I didn't smoke that cigar. He gave me some great cigars. So, I am at...I am at the...mouth is so dry here. I am at the Harrah's Inn? In Atlantic City, George Burns's...90th birthday party! Okay? 1984.

GOODMAN
Wow. [the exhaustion at it all has returned]

CREDICO
1984. And he says, "Yes, they pulled it. They pulled the rope." That Red Buttons was so worried about. And that meant war, it was war in Nicaragua, it was war in El Salvador, there was war everywhere, under Reagan. And uh, so we're on a permanent war economy, and, you know, you and I are- could disappear tomorrow. Because people who sell arms are serious people, much worse than people that sell drugs. So you got El Chapos that are the head of all of these various arm uuuuuuh businesses. Cartels. You have El Chapos there. They would do anything, to sell their arms. They gotta sell their arms to maintain their lifestyle. So don't think that you're safe, or I'm safe, these are- one sells narcotics, which is illegal, that causes death. The other one sells guns, and weapons, of mass destruction, which are legal to sell. But just as immoral, if not worse than the cocaine or the heroin.

GOODMAN
Well Randy, I want to tell you...it has been...such a pleasure speaking with you. Do you have a couple more minutes?

CREDICO
Well, as long as your audience is staying with you.

GOODMAN
Yeah. No, they still are. Where do you see this...in your view, this whole Russia-gate nonsense, the Mueller probe, where do you see that heading?

CREDICO
Well, you've got three things here. You've got the Mueller probe, you've got the Diane Feinstein, who's a horrible human being, and the guy who's paying for those ads, to promote himself, is...you know the guy I'm talking about [Tom Steyer, who has been buying ads calling for the impeachment of Trump]. The impeachment everything. I- Whatever you think of him. I mean, it would be nice if somebody got rid of Diane Feinstein, who supported the coup in Haiti, back in 1994, to get rid of Aristide. Diane Feinstein is a horrible human being, and she makes money off the arms industry, or her husband does. And, you know, the thing is- WHAT DEMOCRACY? What do I think about it? WHAT DEMOCRACY? You call this a democracy that we live in? We had one chance. People had a little bit of hope. When Sanders ran, people had a little bit of hope, that, okay, they're actually going to let this be a democracy. And they pulled the string on him. They pulled the string. So, we didn't have an option. We had no option. And people like me got turned off and went to Jill Stein...if Sanders had been the nominee, I would have voted for Sanders instead of Jill Stein in the general election, even though Stein is probably closer to my politics, and, cause, you know- Sanders never talked foreign policy. Never supported Wikileaks. So I got some problems with him too. He should be out there supporting Wikileaks and a free press.

GOODMAN
I agree.

CREDICO
Wikileaks is a free press. It is _the_, it is the avatar of- of- of- of the free press. That- There is not a better example of the free press than Wikileaks, and- and it is so fundamentally- If they go, then we all go. You go. Everybody goes.

GOODMAN
I agree.

CREDICO
So it is really important that all journalists, I know you asked me a different question - but I gotta get to this. That all journalists, and I said this the other day, I did New York One [link: ttp://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2017/11/28/randy-credico-discusses-meetings-julian-assange-house-intelligence-committee ], should be circling the wagons for Wikileaks. They may say unpleasant things. Well, so did abolitionists. Writers back in the 19th century say unpleasant things. It's important to support Wikileaks. He's never done anything that- The Wikileaks. Which is not just Julian Assange - he's the editor. And, you know, the dynamic figure there. That they need to be - you may not even like - you may not like uuuh some of the stuff that they publish- That's what he's told me. What he told me in one of our meetings there, was that unlike the- during the abolition era, you had a definite enemy. You only went against the slave states. So, abolitionists loved you. Here, he goes after Republicans and Democrats.

GOODMAN
Yeah.

CREDICO
He goes after- He does whatever he wants, he goes after both parties, and one day they love him, one party, then the next day they hate him. Same thing with the other party. If there's even two parties here, I don't buy it. So, I gotta tell you something that, he's got a more Herculean task to deal with, than even the abolitionists, because he doesn't care. He is testing- He is testing the waters. He is, he is- He is- He is, whatdyacallit? Beyond the envelope. Okay? I'm pushing the envelope. Nobody has balls like this guy. Okay? Nobody in the world. He should inspire all of us to have those kind of cojones. For him, to know...he could make a deal and get out of there tomorrow. It's too important. This is...he's doing this...for all of us. What he is doing, is- is- a- he is a- It's- it's- self-sacrificing for _all of us_. So...so, if- if they do clip him, if they do muzzle him, then...we're all muzzled. He is the one that we all have to protect. Right now. And he continues to...produce. To be inventive. To maintain his energy. And his strength. And inspire people- I'm inspired, aren't you? By the fact that he's able to go out there every single day, like in Catalan, look what's going on in Catalan. I didn't get any information from the mainstream press. About the independence movement in Catalan. How important that was, that it was the Deep State in- in Spain, out of Madrid, and the Rajoy government, that were- repressing the independence movement. In Catalan. I had to read Wikileaks to get the information!

GOODMAN
Yeah.

CREDICO
Who else was publishing it? In the U.S.?

GOODMAN
Yeah, no, I always say that our media is a giant public relations firm. For either the Democratic Party or the Establishment. And without Wikileaks, what do you have? You have the Washington Post and the New York Times, and...they're just a mouthpiece. For the establishment.

CREDICO
Yeah, well, we all got to give two dollars apiece...three hundred million of us, two dollars apiece, to the Washington Post. From the CIA. That cost all three hundred million Americans, two dollars apiece, to give to the Washington Post, to give to this clown, Bezos, as if he needed the money. [GOODMAN laughs hesitantly - not sure what CREDICO is trying to say here, but CREDICO is obviously drunk and angry] Do you know what I mean? So we have- We all had to chip in two bucks apiece to give him money to disinform us. Well, here's two dollars apiece, we want to be disinformed. Thank you, Washington Post. It's not like the CIA gave him the money. It wasn't their money. It was our money. We all gave two dollars apiece. Thank you, Washington Post, for disinforming us. Okay? Here's two dollars to disinform us.

GOODMAN
[laughs; the man I'm talking to sounds mentally disturbed, and I just want him to leave without murdering anyone] I- I- I agree with you. And...you know, I have to say that, there's so many people, who...love your work, who love Julian Assange, who love Wikileaks, I know that my great friend, Tim Black, who has an amazing channel, he is a big supporter of Julian Assange of Wikileaks. I know Elizabeth Vos who is editor in chief now of Disobedient Media [pushed various Pizzagate stories].

CREDICO
Yeah! She's great! I know her. She's great.

GOODMAN
She's absolutely phenomenal. Suzie Dawson is absolutely phenomenal, the leader of the Internet Party. And-

CREDICO
You gotta- Can I give a shout out to my friends at Anonymous Scandinavia too? [GOODMAN: Yeaaah.] They've been really- They've taken all of my - all of my...most of them. And a woman by the name of Emmy B [Emmy Butin] did, too, but Anonymous Scandinavia, thank god for them. Because WBAI would like to whitewash me from their archives, this uh this, what's become a Deep State implant, into the management. Which will be gone very soon. But in the meantime, they've done everything to try to eradicate my time at the station. At the station. Even though- Seventy percent of all internet traffic, at the station, SEVENTY PERCENT, was that one hour a week, in which you were on one of those one hours a week. Aaaaaah, Tuesday at five pm, that...that got seventy percent of all internet traffic.

GOODMAN
Wow. [sounds like a child at the birthday party, of one of his peers, an invite forced on him by his parents, dearly wishing to be elsewhere]

CREDICO
And they tried to st- Tried to stymie me, from the very beginning. That I was doing an "Assange: Countdown to Freedom", but I marched right to the very end, and did FIFTEEN. Because that's how important it is, to fight for Julian Assange. And I know you do it every week, and whatever they throw at you, the lies...I've had his mother on the show, his mother's not well. And he doesn't get to see his son. He's in a very small- He doesn't get to see the sun, or his son. Okay? So- or his kids. So, he's in a very small area, H.A. And it's really important, what you're doing, is noble work. And, I- God bless you for doing it. I don't even believe in god, but if there is one, god bless you for doing the work that you're doing.

GOODMAN
Well, god bless you, and I have very similar views on that as you, but god bless you, and god bless Julian Assange, and I think that we- I think anybody who pays attention knows the sacrifice that Assange is making, for real-

CREDICO
Unbelievable.

GOODMAN
For the planet.

CREDICO
Unbelievable. He's a martyr. He'll get out of this alive, but he's a martyr. Even when [if] he gets out, alive. Okay? We all have to work to protect him. He's one of the most brilliant human beings...you will never find anyone that is as brilliant as he is. He's in a class by himself.

GOODMAN
Well, I know, I agree with you on that. Randy-

CREDICO
I call him the- I call him "the meteor". Once in a while, you see a meteor. He's one of them. And then, right now, I'm gonna- My phone is dying, I'm gonna look at the red moon. If I can find it. Because the red moon is the metaphor, tonight, for the big moon. The big moon is, you get to see every so often? Julian Assange is someone you get to see, very so often. And we live contemporaneously with Julian Assange. And we should all be out to support him. And we can do it! And that's why your show is important, you inspire a lot of people, and keep up the great work, H.A. Goodman, and I hope everyone out there subscribes to your network, cuz I'm definitely going to be passing this around tonight and telling people to subscribe to your network, because you have been, on a daily basis, a very productive and a strong adherent of the support of Julian Assange.

GOODMAN
Well, thank you-

CREDICO
And I know he's very thankful.

GOODMAN
And I think-

CREDICO
JUST MOVE THAT PICTURE...up, and a little to the right. Okay?

GOODMAN
[fake laugh - whatever, you crazed freak] I am- I will. And I am thankful...for everything that Wikileaks has done.

CREDICO
CAN YOU MOVE THAT picture just so that Julian doesn't complain to me anymore about it?

GOODMAN
[fake laugh, but also has some bile - okay, fuck right the fuck off, you old drunk] And I think that we're all thankful for just having...a truly honest publisher in Wikileaks, and really the epitome of truth in Julian Assange-

CREDICO
Yeah.

GOODMAN
I'm thankful for everything he's done, and Randy, thank you for being here-

CREDICO
Hey thank you, man. This is- This took me to the end of the battery. Thank you H.A. Goodman-

GOODMAN
I look forward to having you on again.

CREDICO
God bless all you folks out there. Support...H.A. Goodman, and Wikileaks. [does his non-imitation of Trump] WIKILEAKS! I LOVE WIKILEAKS! H.A. GOODMAN! I LOVE H.A. GOODMAN! [drops the non-imitation] See ya later, buddy.

GOODMAN
Later, thank you, Randy. Thank you, everybody. Thank you for watching.