[23/03/2014 01:57:04] Linkandzelda: hi
[23/03/2014 11:28:54] Old Zeitcoin Dev: Hey there, I was away from my desk last night, hit me up when your around
[23/03/2014 14:59:25] Linkandzelda: heya
[23/03/2014 15:00:20] Old Zeitcoin Dev: hey, have we met?
[23/03/2014 15:00:59] Linkandzelda: I believe we met in a chat last month, about zeitcoin
[23/03/2014 15:01:11] Linkandzelda: just wondering if you're the zeitcoin developer?
[23/03/2014 15:01:26] Old Zeitcoin Dev: who wants to know?
[23/03/2014 15:02:01] Old Zeitcoin Dev: or should I ask what it's concerning?
[23/03/2014 15:02:59] Linkandzelda: well I'm the owner of crypto rush, I've been waiting for them to talk to me and been trying to find them
[23/03/2014 15:05:09] Old Zeitcoin Dev: ahh your the owner of cryptorush, so would u be the guy acting all threatening towards the zeitcoin people because the code on your site didn't give with the zeitcoin code? I'm wondering because I see other exchanges haven't had a problem with zeitcoin...

but to answer your first question I was contracted for $500 to make zeitcoin, thats about the end of my envolvement in it
[23/03/2014 15:05:20] Old Zeitcoin Dev: jive*
[23/03/2014 15:05:48] Old Zeitcoin Dev: I'm not really interested in taking to you, nor am i the owner of zitcoin
[23/03/2014 15:05:52] Old Zeitcoin Dev: zeitcoin
[23/03/2014 15:06:31] Linkandzelda: well actually its about a github push that occurred which was premature, did you run the github?
[23/03/2014 15:06:59] Old Zeitcoin Dev: when was this push made?
[23/03/2014 15:07:11] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i dont have the pass to github
[23/03/2014 15:07:19] Old Zeitcoin Dev: I uploaded it originally
[23/03/2014 15:07:47] Old Zeitcoin Dev: TThe owner of zeitcoin didn't like how 0.10 tx fee came out of every transactiion
[23/03/2014 15:07:57] Old Zeitcoin Dev: so a change waS MADE
[23/03/2014 15:08:11] Old Zeitcoin Dev: which apperntly didn't jive with your site
[23/03/2014 15:08:25] Linkandzelda: I don't remember now but I believe the push was made somewhere on the 2nd of march
[23/03/2014 15:08:36] Linkandzelda: either way
[23/03/2014 15:08:57] Linkandzelda: that change which was made and publicly pushed required the whole network to actually make it work
[23/03/2014 15:09:22] Linkandzelda: we upgraded about a day after it was pushed, 24 hours discovered no transactions were confirming
[23/03/2014 15:09:53] Linkandzelda: thats not really the biggest issue, I can live with that, as there was a fix posted after that
[23/03/2014 15:10:07] Old Zeitcoin Dev: whats the issue?
[23/03/2014 15:10:15] Linkandzelda: that fix is what killed it all
[23/03/2014 15:10:36] Old Zeitcoin Dev: who made the push
[23/03/2014 15:10:40] Linkandzelda: I dont know
[23/03/2014 15:10:41] Old Zeitcoin Dev: whats the users name?
[23/03/2014 15:10:45] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i should say
[23/03/2014 15:10:49] Linkandzelda: but they wiped the github right day after
[23/03/2014 15:10:57] Linkandzelda: so all evidence of it is lost
[23/03/2014 15:11:26] Old Zeitcoin Dev: sounds like someone who knows how your sites code works
[23/03/2014 15:11:27] Linkandzelda: after upgrading to the txfee "patched" version to fix it, I lost all coins that were attempted to be withdrawn
[23/03/2014 15:11:30] Old Zeitcoin Dev: inside job?
[23/03/2014 15:11:35] Linkandzelda: i doubt it
[23/03/2014 15:11:53] Linkandzelda: why would someone from my team, consisting of 3 people, have something to do with zeitcoin development?
[23/03/2014 15:11:58] Old Zeitcoin Dev: did they use the word "patched"
[23/03/2014 15:12:06] Linkandzelda: i don't remember honestly
[23/03/2014 15:12:15] Linkandzelda: all I remember is there was a fix
[23/03/2014 15:12:28] Linkandzelda: and we were being directed by Darren on what to do the whole time
[23/03/2014 15:12:42] Linkandzelda: he told us to make the upgrade which initially screwed it up
[23/03/2014 15:12:45] Old Zeitcoin Dev: so what happened and why are you blaming someone elses code for making your own do payouts incorrectly
[23/03/2014 15:12:57] Linkandzelda: because its not related to my code
[23/03/2014 15:13:15] Old Zeitcoin Dev: why wasnt it tested?
[23/03/2014 15:13:27] Linkandzelda: im an end user with a wallet and I happen to make 500 transactions in this period of time, so its my fault?
[23/03/2014 15:13:42] Old Zeitcoin Dev: u think the zeitcoin person who made a change knew that your siite would do that, like intent?
[23/03/2014 15:14:05] Linkandzelda: "my site would do that" do what? utilise the basic functionality of any coin?
[23/03/2014 15:14:20] Linkandzelda: its not like an exchange runs any differently to other people using the wallet
[23/03/2014 15:14:21] Old Zeitcoin Dev: how did coinex list it?
[23/03/2014 15:14:48] Linkandzelda: they listed it like we did, but they also took it offline for 2 days and had similar problems, just never complained and ate the costs
[23/03/2014 15:15:07] Linkandzelda: but I lost 1.6 billion coins
[23/03/2014 15:15:20] Linkandzelda: that stuff doesn't just happen because my code was wrong
[23/03/2014 15:15:26] Linkandzelda: in fact, its impossible
[23/03/2014 15:15:41] Linkandzelda: (and we have 170+ coins, zeitcoin is the only one with issues like this)
[23/03/2014 15:15:55] Old Zeitcoin Dev: here's the thing...I dont own zeitcoin, I built one, the first version, no patches, you do realize that coins are open source? they can be changed by anyone, u do know that right?
[23/03/2014 15:16:01] Old Zeitcoin Dev: its nnot really a business
[23/03/2014 15:16:17] Linkandzelda: I know that, I'm just trying to track the person responsible
[23/03/2014 15:16:19] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i feel bad for your predicament
[23/03/2014 15:16:25] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i really do
[23/03/2014 15:16:35] Old Zeitcoin Dev: but im not smart enough to make this change
[23/03/2014 15:16:40] Linkandzelda: things were initially fine with the first launch version
[23/03/2014 15:17:01] Old Zeitcoin Dev: your looking in the wrong directiion, the github password was changed the day after it was realeased
[23/03/2014 15:17:10] Linkandzelda: I see
[23/03/2014 15:17:11] Old Zeitcoin Dev: and i havent spoken to darren since
[23/03/2014 15:17:28] Old Zeitcoin Dev: but there were only a few people who knew the password
[23/03/2014 15:17:34] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i dont mine
[23/03/2014 15:17:39] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i just build em
[23/03/2014 15:17:58] Old Zeitcoin Dev: your looking for compensation?
[23/03/2014 15:21:17] Linkandzelda: i'd love some compensation so I can pay back affected users
[23/03/2014 15:21:32] Linkandzelda: already shelled out 30 BTC before turning it off
[23/03/2014 15:21:39] Linkandzelda: just can't afford any more
[23/03/2014 15:21:53] Old Zeitcoin Dev: shitty thats a lot of bitccoin
[23/03/2014 15:22:00] Linkandzelda: considering they paid me like .25 bit coin for a listing
[23/03/2014 15:22:09] Linkandzelda: they definitely have some responsibility here, so do I
[23/03/2014 15:22:18] Linkandzelda: perhaps if I noticed the problem sooner the damage would be less
[23/03/2014 15:22:35] Linkandzelda: but then again, if it was never pushed, there would never be a problem. but hey ho
[23/03/2014 15:22:59] Linkandzelda: I think Darren screwed everyone, he told me to upgrade to this new patch
[23/03/2014 15:23:29] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i think so, as darren is not a dev, it should have been tested thoroughly
[23/03/2014 15:23:39] Old Zeitcoin Dev: as anything involving money shhould
[23/03/2014 15:23:55] Linkandzelda: yep
[23/03/2014 15:24:07] Old Zeitcoin Dev: broken atm
[23/03/2014 15:24:14] Linkandzelda: I spoke to the existing team, they said its my responsibility to audit their code, which I don't believe
[23/03/2014 15:24:58] Old Zeitcoin Dev: no it's, but it is your responsibility to make sure it works correctly with your system
[23/03/2014 15:25:05] Old Zeitcoin Dev: anyone in business would tell u that
[23/03/2014 15:25:14] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i know it sucks
[23/03/2014 15:26:36] Linkandzelda: yea, god dammit is all I can say
[23/03/2014 15:26:39] Old Zeitcoin Dev: imagine having something you dont know automatically accessing you bank account
[23/03/2014 15:26:46] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i know god dammit is right
[23/03/2014 15:26:53] Old Zeitcoin Dev: im eating my own btc shit as well
[23/03/2014 15:27:22] Old Zeitcoin Dev: and Im not sure who made that push, but i hope you find something to ease your pain
[23/03/2014 15:28:16] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i do know I made the  first version...basically identical to mint
[23/03/2014 15:28:37] Old Zeitcoin Dev: and i do know darren didn't like the 0.10 tx fee on every transaction
[23/03/2014 15:28:48] Old Zeitcoin Dev: but that is the extent of my knolage
[23/03/2014 15:30:49] Old Zeitcoin Dev: so where did alll the missing zeit go?
[23/03/2014 15:30:54] Old Zeitcoin Dev: theres a blockchain
[23/03/2014 15:30:59] Linkandzelda: thanks for the insight
[23/03/2014 15:31:05] Linkandzelda: and what happened is, it never hit the blockchain
[23/03/2014 15:31:19] Linkandzelda: all withdraws in that time were stuck at 0 confirms
[23/03/2014 15:31:26] Old Zeitcoin Dev: ahhh
[23/03/2014 15:31:37] Linkandzelda: usually when that happens we delete them from the wallet with pywallet
[23/03/2014 15:31:41] Linkandzelda: and the funds return
[23/03/2014 15:31:44] Linkandzelda: but they didnt
[23/03/2014 15:31:46] Old Zeitcoin Dev: so they coins didn't even really exist
[23/03/2014 15:31:58] Linkandzelda: yea, though they were real coins
[23/03/2014 15:32:01] Linkandzelda: "were"
[23/03/2014 15:32:08] Linkandzelda: sounds so fishy to explain to anyone
[23/03/2014 15:32:13] Linkandzelda: but what else can I say lol
[23/03/2014 15:32:35] Linkandzelda: they literally vanished
[23/03/2014 15:32:44] Old Zeitcoin Dev: like magic
[23/03/2014 15:32:58] Linkandzelda: not only that, but I use the daemon themselves to trade funds between account balances
[23/03/2014 15:33:07] Linkandzelda: those internal transactions from the same period were also lost
[23/03/2014 15:33:17] Linkandzelda: so everyones balance reset to 24 hours before
[23/03/2014 15:33:31] Linkandzelda: some people didn't have coins they bought, and others had the coins they sold
[23/03/2014 15:33:44] Linkandzelda: and tons of people withdrew those coins, meaning even more damage and losses
[23/03/2014 15:33:59] Old Zeitcoin Dev: wow fuck
[23/03/2014 15:34:32] Linkandzelda: this might be my own fault, since i manage trades differently to other exchanges, so that is my code to some extent
[23/03/2014 15:34:46] Linkandzelda: even though it still relies on core daemon functionality which was not mine
[23/03/2014 15:35:10] Old Zeitcoin Dev: i have to step away for a moment, if there is anything else i can help you with let me know
[23/03/2014 15:35:43] Linkandzelda: thanks for the talk, I guess if you find contact with darren or someone else let me know :)
[23/03/2014 16:05:40] Old Zeitcoin Dev: will do man, take care, I hope this shit doesn't throw your books off too bad, people love cryptorush
[23/03/2014 16:07:29] Linkandzelda: well they used to, theres tons of bad PR now
[23/03/2014 16:07:33] Linkandzelda: trying to revive stuff
[23/03/2014 16:07:47] Old Zeitcoin Dev: all because of that eh?
[23/03/2014 16:08:05] Old Zeitcoin Dev: people dont realize 30btc is a huge huge loss
[23/03/2014 16:08:15] Old Zeitcoin Dev: sends the books off balance
[23/03/2014 16:08:58] Old Zeitcoin Dev: good luck, with everything, if i find out anything i will let u know
[23/03/2014 16:10:10] Linkandzelda: thanks