@Enki: Hello everyone and welcome to the OU workshop, where users submit teams and official team raters rate them
%An͜͡a1ytic: hai :)
@Enki: today I am going to host the workshop with An͜͡a1ytic, DennisEG, notFaLsE and Sonired probably
%notFaLsE: got my popcorn ready, finna rate some squads
@Enki: the first team we are going to rate if from the user GoodGarchomp
@Enki: http://pastebin.com/jDCVRYsw
GoodGarchomp was promoted to Room Voice by Enki.
@Enki: Hey
+GoodGarchomp: Hello
%An͜͡a1ytic: okay so the team looks pretty solid
@Enki: explain a little bit how is the idea behind this build
+GoodGarchomp: Thank you.
%toon linked: me too
+GoodGarchomp: Thanks.
@Enki: what was the idea of this build?
@Enki: just a bulkoff with mega gardevoir?
@Enki: or something else?
+GoodGarchomp: To make a battle end as quickly as possible
@Enki: imo there are some movesets that have to be changed
@Enki: no speed keldeo is really a bad idea
+GoodGarchomp: That has been proven to me
@Enki: keldeo has a really high speed, a nice movepool and special attack base
@Enki: imo we have to abuse them
%notFaLsE: brick break excadrill, and the EVs for tyranitar seem like a few obvious changes as well
@Enki: hp dragon isn't a good choice as well
+GoodGarchomp: hm....
%An͜͡a1ytic: I think the first change
+GoodGarchomp: But should I get a resolute Keldeo instead
%An͜͡a1ytic: Should defintely be specs keldeo instead
@Enki: I'd go for an offensive set, orb or specs, since you dont need that much of speed with exca and smooth ttar
%An͜͡a1ytic: It is a good change because it helps in achieving the goal of the team
%toon linked: yeah and definitely replace hp dragon for something like icy wind / hp lure
%An͜͡a1ytic: which is an exca sweep
%notFaLsE: resttalk could work too, seeming that theres a decent weakness to scizor here
@Enki: after this change, ttar's evs spread seem to be random as well
@Enki: I'd go for the standard dex's spread
%toon linked: !analysis tyranitar
XY Tyranitar analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
+GoodGarchomp: I did
+GoodGarchomp: I did the suggested speard
@Enki: 248 HP80 Def180 SpD
@Enki: ye that one
%toon linked: is the suggested spread, with relaxed
%An͜͡a1ytic: What do you'll think of Hippo over Tyranitar
@Enki: ttar's main role is to set up rocks, trap latwins and the sand
+GoodGarchomp: Yes
@Enki: that's why I'd like to keep it over hippo, to let keldeo do a lot of stuff
+GoodGarchomp: and is pursuit a bad idea?
@Enki: hippo loses a lot of momentum imo
@Enki: nono, it's ok
%notFaLsE: id say you have to fit a sand check on here somewhere, also something else for lop seems really neccesary
%toon linked: no, not at all
%An͜͡a1ytic: Yeah, false took the words outta my mouth
+GoodGarchomp: I could change sand stream to unnerve
%An͜͡a1ytic: No lol
%toon linked: no
@Enki: what's the hidden power on latios?
%toon linked: then you lose sand rush
%An͜͡a1ytic: fire
+GoodGarchomp: Fire
%toon linked: make it hp fire
+GoodGarchomp: Mold breaker
%toon linked: nah
+GoodGarchomp: for Exca
%toon linked: no point really in putting unnerve > sand stream
%An͜͡a1ytic: no that's a bad idea
%toon linked: that just breaks the idea of sand duo
@Enki: just listen to our changes, dont go for random changes tho
+GoodGarchomp: Ok
%An͜͡a1ytic: so yeah enki
%An͜͡a1ytic: team seems rly weak to zardx too
+GoodGarchomp: :(
%An͜͡a1ytic: like a few chip damage
@Enki: the 'mon that has to be changed to cover the team from threats is ferro imo
%An͜͡a1ytic: ferro is like the glue
%An͜͡a1ytic: that stops manaphy
+GoodGarchomp: I changed him to m-venusaur
%An͜͡a1ytic: what
%toon linked: but you have mgardevoir
%toon linked: >_>
@Enki: ye
%toon linked: two megas is a bad idea
+GoodGarchomp: Then jsut Venusaur
%toon linked: nah
@Enki: nono
@Enki: regular venu is bad
%toon linked: completely outclassed
+GoodGarchomp: hmmmmm
%notFaLsE: theres a better grass/poison on sand builds anyway, amoonguss
+GoodGarchomp: Better tank, ik
%DennisEG: im here but ill take part in the other pastebin
%toon linked: ye amoong is better
%DennisEG: u guys can handle this ;]
%Lord Mur: same ^
+GoodGarchomp: what moveset?
%notFaLsE: amoonguss?
+GoodGarchomp: I gave him black sludge
%An͜͡a1ytic: amoonguss seems nice
%An͜͡a1ytic: but still
%notFaLsE: yeah, id have giga drain, clear smog, spore and hp fire
%An͜͡a1ytic: my main issue here are mmetagross and mlop
+GoodGarchomp: ?
%toon linked: fast physical mons
+GoodGarchomp: mhm
%notFaLsE: a lot of physical stuff in general tbh, sand rush exca, lop msciz
%toon linked: honestly hippo fits
+GoodGarchomp: how other than snadstorm
%toon linked: but the momentum is a bit problematic if you put in into place
+GoodGarchomp: But making a sandstorm team is a bad Idead to me
%toon linked: how so?
+Sonired: im here
%notFaLsE: GoodGarchomp it still checks electrics, but also fares better vs things like lopunny and excadrill
+GoodGarchomp: well
+GoodGarchomp: Grass can take out rock and ground, Fire, fighting and ground for steel
@Enki: we are really forced to change ttar for hippo, you need a nice figting wall
+GoodGarchomp: true
%toon linked: agreed
+GoodGarchomp: but why hippowadon?
%An͜͡a1ytic: [23:45] %An͜͡a1ytic: my main issue here are mmetagross and mlop
%An͜͡a1ytic: this is why
+GoodGarchomp: ?
%notFaLsE: i actually spelled it out
%toon linked: hippowdon is able to easily wall most physical threats which otherwise ease through your team
%notFaLsE: it checks electrics just as well, but also beats some problematic stuff like sand rush exca, lop, and non gk mega metagross
+GoodGarchomp: rue
+GoodGarchomp: True
+GoodGarchomp: But which move?
Sonired was promoted to Room Voice by Enki.
+Sonired: thx
%toon linked: slack off / rocks / eq / stone edge, whirlwind, etc.
%An͜͡a1ytic: 252 HP / 112 SpD / 144 Def
%An͜͡a1ytic: Impish Nature
+GoodGarchomp: thx
+Sonired: whats the team
+Sonired: in question
%notFaLsE: hippowdon is great as a physical wall on sand, it's great role compression seeming that it gets sand rocks, and checks tons of problematic stuff
%toon linked: http://pastebin.com/jDCVRYsw
@Enki: http://pastebin.com/jDCVRYsw
%toon linked: thats the tema
+Sonired: word
%toon linked: team*
+GoodGarchomp: so what item
@Enki: leftovers
+GoodGarchomp: Now whats next
+GoodGarchomp: for amoongus
@Enki: imo jolly orb exca
@Enki: without bbreak
@Enki: 4 attacks
%An͜͡a1ytic: SD would work
+GoodGarchomp: so what moves
%toon linked: spin
%notFaLsE: yeah jolly exca for sure, 4attacks vs sd is a toss up for me
+GoodGarchomp: rapid spin?
+Sonired: i think sd is nice
+Sonired: as a wincondition
+GoodGarchomp: have SD
+GoodGarchomp: earthQ?
+Sonired: swords dance, earthquake, iron head, rock slide
+Sonired: tbf with hippo alone talonflame looks a bit problematic
+Sonired: but i guess you could work around it
+GoodGarchomp: what EVS
%toon linked: max speed max attack
%An͜͡a1ytic: Adamant
%toon linked: 4 hp
+GoodGarchomp: done
+GoodGarchomp: now amoongus
%toon linked: !analysis amoonguss
XY Amoonguss analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
%An͜͡a1ytic: no amoonguss
@Enki: i'd keep ferr imo
%An͜͡a1ytic: we're done i think
+GoodGarchomp: Got it
%toon linked: yea
+GoodGarchomp: done?
%toon linked: yep
%An͜͡a1ytic: thank you :)
@Enki: yes
+GoodGarchomp: thanks!
@Enki: any question?
+GoodGarchomp: na
(GoodGarchomp was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Enki: you can submit your teams while we rate
@Enki: who is next DennisEG?
%DennisEG: Mr. Perry
Mr. Perry was promoted to Room Voice by Enki.
%DennisEG: here's the pb http://pastebin.com/raw/y9MjNKfB
@Enki: Heu
+Mr. Perry: hola
%toon linked: hey perry
%DennisEG: hello
+Sonired: sup
+Mr. Perry: so, the team is built around the sand archetype
+Mr. Perry: and mega zam
+Mr. Perry: I often use Excadrill to open spaces for zam sweep
%An͜͡a1ytic: it looks solid :)
%DennisEG: amoongus is really pressure as the only real answer to physical type attackers is landot
+Mr. Perry: yeah
+Mr. Perry: and bd azu murders this team
%An͜͡a1ytic: cant rly help it
+Sonired: amoonguss is also really pressured by keldeo
%toon linked: yeah
%An͜͡a1ytic: sand archetypes are naturally weak to iy
%An͜͡a1ytic: it
+Sonired: i guess you could run hp electric on specs keld to rkill it
%An͜͡a1ytic: yes
%An͜͡a1ytic: also complements exca
%An͜͡a1ytic: by luring in bro and cune
+Mr. Perry: true
+Sonired: ye
+Mr. Perry: also it seems that I can't break stall
%An͜͡a1ytic: Why dont you go
+Sonired: maybe sd + lum on lando>?
%An͜͡a1ytic: Taunt Zam
%An͜͡a1ytic: no soni
%An͜͡a1ytic: makes him rly weak to meta and lop
%An͜͡a1ytic: which he already is
+Sonired: true
%Lord Mur: I'd add hp fire > bomb on amoong cause ferro may be a bit annoying
%DennisEG: opposing mega zam is also a threat
%DennisEG: chopple tar + sd lando could work
%DennisEG: earth plate
%DennisEG: or adamant rathe
+Mr. Perry: true
@Enki: back
+Mr. Perry: I opted for subs because bish could be annoying
%An͜͡a1ytic: yeah dennis that could work
@Enki: the team looks nice with this version, you can make different version making it more offensive etc
%An͜͡a1ytic: i think keldeo handles it fine
@Enki: with chopple ttar and sd lando how dennis mentioned
%An͜͡a1ytic: SD Lando can overwhelm Hippo and Bro
%An͜͡a1ytic: i like it
@Enki: do you guys have anything else to add?
+Mr. Perry: hmm
+Mr. Perry: what evs
+Mr. Perry: do i use
+Mr. Perry: in chople ttar?
%Lord Mur: 248/80/180
%Lord Mur: hp/def/spdef
%An͜͡a1ytic: EVs: 248 HP / 80 Def / 180 SpD
%An͜͡a1ytic: relaxed
%toon linked: relaxed
%toon linked: ye
@Enki: Mr. Perry do you have any question??
+Mr. Perry: not at all
+Mr. Perry: thanks
+Mr. Perry: :]
%toon linked: :]
@Enki: thx for beeing here then
+Mr. Perry: toon sucks
+Mr. Perry: !
+Mr. Perry: jk hes cute
(Mr. Perry was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Enki: I guess Guksha Bakani is the next
%toon linked: bruh
%An͜͡a1ytic: Enki Im keeping the logs btw
Guksha Bakani was promoted to Room Voice by Enki.
@Enki: I do as well
%An͜͡a1ytic: Hi, are you here
+Guksha Bakani: ah
%DennisEG: Mr. Perry put rocks on tar btw
+Guksha Bakani: where is my team?
+Guksha Bakani: http://hastebin.com/abocotoxel.md
+Guksha Bakani: now
+Guksha Bakani: its a mega altaria hazard stack
%An͜͡a1ytic: oh
%An͜͡a1ytic: you''re that dude
+Guksha Bakani: yeah
%toon linked: well first thing I see
@Enki: it's a pretty confused build imo
%notFaLsE: sturdy over keen eye on skarmory
%toon linked: is gliscor without EQ
%An͜͡a1ytic: exactly enki
%notFaLsE: should be super obvious
%An͜͡a1ytic: told him the same b4 too
%toon linked: so def run eq > toxic
+Guksha Bakani: wait i forgot sturdy on skarm lol
@Enki: it needs some movesets changes and spreads as well
%An͜͡a1ytic: remove gliscor
+Guksha Bakani: ok
%An͜͡a1ytic: and make garchomp a tankchomp set
@Enki: you can't have rocks on scor
%toon linked: oh yeahh
+Guksha Bakani: why?tank chomp
%An͜͡a1ytic: and then add scarftar
%toon linked: hidden ability stuff
%An͜͡a1ytic: best changes to this team imo
@Enki: maltaria without max max evs spread
+Guksha Bakani: scarf chomp is really amazing
%An͜͡a1ytic: it is lacklustre most of the time
%notFaLsE: i think spikes ferro over skarm makes a lot of sense tbh
%An͜͡a1ytic: so is sr glisc
@Enki: Guksha Bakani what's the idea of the build then? that we can know what we can remove and what not
%An͜͡a1ytic: false, skarm is his only ground resist
+Guksha Bakani: notfalse then weavile is a problem
%An͜͡a1ytic: yeah keep skarm
%An͜͡a1ytic: like i said
+Guksha Bakani: its a hazard stak balance
%An͜͡a1ytic: ttar over glisc
%An͜͡a1ytic: and tankchomp
@Enki: Guksha Bakani what's the idea of the build then? that we can know what we can remove and what not
+Guksha Bakani: chomp and altaria are my primy win cons
%notFaLsE: ferro is a weavile switchin *-*
%An͜͡a1ytic: only two changes this team needs
+Guksha Bakani: notfalse
+Guksha Bakani: low kick
@Enki: CAN YOU ANSWER PLS
@Enki: caps
%notFaLsE: rofl
%toon linked: lol
+Guksha Bakani: enki
%notFaLsE: tbf Guksha Bakani you gotta explain why u chose ur mons bro
%notFaLsE: a lot of them just seem thrown together
+Guksha Bakani: my idea is to sweep with mega altaria
@Enki: so the build is around malt
+Guksha Bakani: garchomp is scarf
@Enki: rocks scor, spikes mory
+Guksha Bakani: because this team is quite weak to thunderus
@Enki: and scarf chomp as cleaner
+Guksha Bakani: nasty plot
%An͜͡a1ytic: thats why
@Enki: am I right?
%An͜͡a1ytic: scarftar
@Enki: I like analytic's change with removing scor for tank chomp
+Guksha Bakani: but scarf tar gets para
@Enki: and you can find another scarfer that can cleans
%An��͡a1ytic: no it doesnt
@Enki: like scarf landot if needed
%An͜͡a1ytic: twave+Np isnt a thing
@Enki: but you need a huge answer to your ice and water weakness
%An͜͡a1ytic: + alt can take a hit
+Guksha Bakani: enki what can cure my ice and water weakness?
+Guksha Bakani: i tried with tank chomp b4
@Enki: bulky waters
+Guksha Bakani: it didnt work honestly
+Guksha Bakani: scarf chomp revenge kills mega zam
+Guksha Bakani: which is a huge threat
+Guksha Bakani: for my team
@Enki: orb rest talk keldeo might be a first solution to all this
+Guksha Bakani: gotcha
@Enki: tank chomp
@Enki: over the scarf imo
+Guksha Bakani: enki do notice that scarf chomp is one of my win cons
@Enki: or you can find a non ice weak rocker
+Guksha Bakani: like heatran?
@Enki: ice / water ofc
+Guksha Bakani: or like empoleon as my rocker?
@Enki: you can try max speed max hp tran tho
%An͜͡a1ytic: why are u so helllbent on scarfchomp dude
@Enki: with lando t or chomp as your wincon
%toon linked: scarfchomp isn't all that great
%toon linked: rather lacklustering imo
%notFaLsE: agreed
@Enki: guys if he wants to keep it, we have to keep it tho
+Guksha Bakani: but i got reqs in oususpect with scarf chomp
+Guksha Bakani: it was pretty ez
%toon linked: that doesn't mean its automatically amazing
+Guksha Bakani: like nobody expected scarf chomp
+Guksha Bakani: it really helps to revenge kills some key threats
+Guksha Bakani: like gengar
+Guksha Bakani: mega zam
@Enki: we are keeping it, no worries
+Guksha Bakani: gardevoir
+Guksha Bakani: ah ok
@Enki: as a last change, malt's spread
+Guksha Bakani: wait
%toon linked: DDD MAlt?
+Guksha Bakani: whats my rocker?
+Guksha Bakani: tran or empoleon?
%toon linked: tran
+Guksha Bakani: max hp and speed right?
%toon linked: ye
+Guksha Bakani: rocks,magma miss,taunt,ancient power?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: whatd i miss :o
%toon linked: sedge > ancient power or earth power
%toon linked: imo
+Guksha Bakani: ok
%toon linked: so u dont lose ot spdef talon
@Enki: or even toxic
+Guksha Bakani: then earthpower
%toon linked: ye
%toon linked: toxic imo
+Guksha Bakani: ah ok
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh is this workshop?
%toon linked: yes
+Guksha Bakani: yes
@Enki: do you have any question?
+Guksha Bakani: yes
%toon linked: what is it
+Guksha Bakani: i will keep skarm as it is?
+Guksha Bakani: the reason i am uisng sakrm is to counter physical ice threats
+Guksha Bakani: like mamo or weavile
+Guksha Bakani: and a ground immunit
+Guksha Bakani: notflase are u here bro?
%toon linked: yeah keep skarm
%toon linked: make sure its sturdy
+Guksha Bakani: yeah
%toon linked: instead of keen eye
+Guksha Bakani: ik lol
@Enki: are we ok then?
%toon linked: yes
%toon linked: next:
+Guksha Bakani: keep the spread?
%toon linked: yes lol
%notFaLsE: we moving on?
+Guksha Bakani: ok wait
+Guksha Bakani: one for thing
+Guksha Bakani: what spread for altaria?
@Enki: you can keep this one for more "offensive" power or change it if u want it builkier
@Enki: it's up to you
%toon linked: if you want it to be bulkier
+Guksha Bakani: oh ok
@Enki: you find both spreads I mean ont he dex
%toon linked: this should help
%toon linked: !analysis altaria
XY Altaria analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
+Guksha Bakani: ok thnx
(Guksha Bakani was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Enki: who is next DennisEG?
@Enki: looks like kekleon9999
kekleon9999 was promoted to Room Voice by Enki.
@Enki: Hey
@Enki: http://pastebin.com/aSf0Yr4T
%toon linked: the weavile set
%toon linked: is very peculiar
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: the weav and gengar set
%An͜͡a1ytic: gengar set
%toon linked: definitely change that
%An͜͡a1ytic: is flames
+kekleon9999: Do you do the voice thing so that there is no spam?
%An͜͡a1ytic: yes
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yes kekleon9999
%toon linked: yes
%DennisEG: Enki aint have any more :c
%toon linked: last one then?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: i feel like
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: mega man walks all over that team
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: and talonflame
%toon linked: it truly does
%toon linked: and bird spam
%toon linked: change the weavile moveset to: icicle crash / knock off / ice shard / low kick
+kekleon9999: So a ground type is suggested?
%DennisEG: cm keldeo with 2 possible pursuit users is a cool idea
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yet none have pursuit
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: which synergizes well with keld wanting psychics like lati removed
+kekleon9999: I just started with an effective core in OU
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: u also lack stealth rocks
+kekleon9999: I was gonna put in Bisharp
%An͜͡a1ytic: lando over gengar maybe?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: thats what i was thinking
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: lives hp ice from mega man at full health
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: still kinda shaky but w/e
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: megagross can deal with flamethrower variants too
%toon linked: shaky check though
%toon linked: most volt switch out then later kill
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: ye
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: bish>weav as a pursuit trapper maybe?
+kekleon9999: How would Pursuit, Stealth Rock, Brick Break, Knock Off, Bulky Physical Sweeper Bisharp work?
%toon linked: nah
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: no
%An͜͡a1ytic: not well
%toon linked: dont use brick breka
%toon linked: break*
%toon linked: or rocks on bisharp
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: +1 bish sucker punch kills mega man
+kekleon9999: OU pokemon not on the team with Rocks, and Pursuit are Skarmory, Tyranitar, and Bisharp
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: u dont need to have both rocks and pursuit on the same mon
%toon linked: yeah you can seperate them within 2 roles of 2 different mons
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: lando works as a good rocker>gengar as it checks talonflame for u
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: as well as mega zard
+kekleon9999: Maybe Pursuit in stead of Ice Shard on Weavile?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: x
%toon linked: nah
+kekleon9999: Would Forretress work
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: opinions on raikou>serp?
%toon linked: nah not forry
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: no forretress' niche is a lead in ou
+kekleon9999: It gets Rocks, Spikes, and Toxic Spikes
%toon linked: just use lando-t
%toon linked: like we suggested
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: but after that, raikou>serp as a switch into man and a secondary talonflame check?
+kekleon9999: Stealth Rock, EQ, Knock Off, Rock Slide, Bulky Physical Landorus-T?
+kekleon9999: Adamant
%toon linked: nah
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: !analysis landorus
XY Landorus analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
+kekleon9999: Full attack
%toon linked: !analysis landorus-therian
XY Landorus-Therian analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
%toon linked: got sniped
%toon linked: ;~;
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: no
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: mines the incarnate lol
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: use lonks plz
+kekleon9999: How would The SubSD set work?
%toon linked: no
%toon linked: just run
%toon linked: defensive helmet/lefties, please.
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: so anyways, opinions on raikou or kyub>serp for mega man?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: imo helmet for this team
%toon linked: i like raikou
%toon linked: volt into metagross
%toon linked: or gengar
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yup
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: we placed gengar lonk
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: lol
%toon linked: oh yeah
+kekleon9999: I got rid of gengar for Landorus
%toon linked: lol im a bit behind unfortunately >_<
%toon linked: well raikou + lando-t forms a volt-turn core
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: ye
+kekleon9999: I think the Sub SD Salac id for sweeping
%toon linked: nah
%toon linked: you need rocks dude
%toon linked: please listen to us
+kekleon9999: right
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yes but use the defensive set plz
+kekleon9999: I forogt the rocks
+kekleon9999: Which move should I use for slot 3?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: on lando?
+kekleon9999: yea
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: stone edge for talon
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: so confirming changes so far: lando>gengar, raikou>serp, better weavile set>
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: ?
+kekleon9999: So my new team thus far is http://pastebin.com/p6vg7HBR
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: ok well rocky helmet>leftovers so ur not as passive on lando. it also is really good at punishing things like zard x and talon for ur team
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: now i would do raikou>serperior as a secondary talonflame check as well as a switch into mega man
+kekleon9999: Would an electric immunity work to
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: u have a lando for that, but the resistance combined with raikous bulk is sufficient
+kekleon9999: If only they released Raikou's Hidden Abbility
+kekleon9999: He would fit my idea perfectly
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: meh
@Enki: it's not raikou's ability that makes the difference
@Enki: anyway do you have any other question?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait i have an idea
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: pursuit>ice punch on metagross
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: so u can switch into latis and remove them for keldeo
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: and celebi
+kekleon9999: Could I use the Choice Specs team, But use Zap Plate to bluff
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: but anyways, any questions like Enki said?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: on raikou?
+kekleon9999: Could I use the Choice Specs set on Raikou, But use Zap Plate to bluff
+kekleon9999: yes
+kekleon9999: on raikou
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: i guess it works, im sure u miss out on certain kos
+kekleon9999: Which is better for slot 4
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: shadow ball for ur team
+kekleon9999: Shadow Ball, or Extrasensory
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: u dont need extrasensory for venu as u have talonflame as well as megagross
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: now, any other questions before we move on?
+kekleon9999: How does this product look
+kekleon9999: http://pastebin.com/nLJAtSbx
%toon linked: change kings rock
%toon linked: to life orb
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: life orb>kings rock on weav and make its ability pressure
%toon linked: yea
+kekleon9999: That all the changes you have for the team?
@Enki: ok, I think we are done with this team too, thx for beeing here and gl with your team
%toon linked: yeah
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
+kekleon9999: thx
(kekleon9999 was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
%toon linked: is that all?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yes xD
@Enki: the last team is submitted by fullnattybrah
fullnattybrah was promoted to Room Voice by Enki.
@Enki: http://pastebin.com/r32bEBEs
@Enki: prettyt standard core
@Enki: magnezone + mega pinsir
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: ooh pinsir
%toon linked: great team tbh
%toon linked: looks like blunders team vs ABR in SPL
@Enki: lando and heatran's set are pretty meh imo, because yache on a defensive lando isn't that good imo, so I'd go for an offensive version with rocks or a defensive one with helmet or leftovers
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah helmet lando
@Enki: same with heatran, hp ice etc
%toon linked: defense helmet
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: hold up
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: we have 2 rock users
@Enki: lol right
%toon linked: DD landot
%toon linked: ?
@Enki: dd lando and rocks tran?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: tbh lando->dd
%toon linked: lol we all thought of that
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: or make scarf for torn t
%toon linked: he has scarf keldeo
%toon linked: so
%toon linked: i would prefer dd lando-t
@Enki: me too
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: mm true u can rp and outspeed and kill
%Lord Mur: most pinsir are adamant now but I guess that's preference and I agree with dd lando and toxic>hp ice on tran
@Enki: go with toxic on tran over hp ice
@Enki: guys pls
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: xD
@Enki: do you have any question fullnattybrah?
@Enki: the team looks standanrd and nice, I dont think we have many changes
@Enki: imo
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: agreed
+fullnattybrah: i run hp ice on heatran for lando t switches
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: u have scarf keld
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: for lando
%Lord Mur: eh lando shouldn't be switching into tran
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: risks the lava plume burn
%toon linked: ye
%Lord Mur: esp when you have pinsir
%Lord Mur: they don't wanna risk that thing dying
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: which is enough of a punish as it both cripples its attack power and wears it down ever faster
+fullnattybrah: fair
%Lord Mur: plus dd lando sets up on reg lando
+fullnattybrah: do i need max speed on zone?
%toon linked: yes
%toon linked: to outspeed starmei
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: umm
@Enki: do you have any other question??
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: hes specs
@Enki: no he is specs
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: so i would run 88 for skarm
%toon linked: oh
%toon linked: nvm
@Enki: and even scarf can't outspeed starmie
%toon linked: 239
%toon linked: im tired today
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: 168 hp 252 spa 88 speed modest imo
%toon linked: lol im thinking its 243 for some reason
@Enki: np
+fullnattybrah: and is specs zone scarf keldeo better then scarf zone and specs keld?
%toon linked: yes
%toon linked: since specs zone traps
@Enki: imo keep it scarf modest keldeo
+fullnattybrah: i run timid atm
@Enki: it outspeeds morestuff
@Enki: run modest
@Enki: mkazam might be threatening if scarf zone and specs keld
+fullnattybrah: so modest keldeo and toxic heatran
@Enki: as well as mmane
@Enki: yup
%toon linked: yes
@Enki: I guess we are done with this too, right?
%toon linked: indeed
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
+fullnattybrah: oh and helmet lando
+fullnattybrah: thanks
@Enki: thx for beeing here
@Enki: and gl with your team
(fullnattybrah was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
%toon linked: is there another team?
%Futatsuiwa of Sado: i dont thnk so
@Enki: Thanks everyone who helped me to host this workshop and all the users that submitted the teams
@Enki: I guess we'll see you in the next you ;P
(Enki set modchat to false)