#Earth: ~ws new
@quziel: uh, basically, we;re gonna build a team here, mon by mon, and hopefully it'll be really good
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
#Earth: ~ws add band golurk
@BB-8-NU: band golurk added
@quziel: ~ws add specs bird
@BB-8-NU: specs bird added
@quziel: ~ws remove specs bird
@BB-8-NU: specs bird removed
@quziel: ~ws add Specs Swellow
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow added
@yogibears: lol, specs bird :3
#Earth: alright so this is pretty rotom weak
  Pepe Le AFK: oh yeah specs is way better
#Earth: so we gotta find something
@quziel: yep, sorta like AV lant here
@lucianvega: its also ice weak
@lucianvega: laggtest
@lucianvega: test
 Occa Paras: it's not rotom weak if you predict correctly
@yogibears: any form of lant seems great really
 Occa Paras: :3
@lucianvega: sigh at my laptop and internet
 AquaGlob: what moves on golurk
@quziel: !smogdex golurk
@lucianvega: wait before you decide
 Occa Paras: EQ/sleep talk.
@quziel: don't worry too much, as we're gonna post an importable version once its done
 AquaGlob: ok
 AquaGlob: swellow guts is really good
%%kay: o someone got bb-8
%%kay: cool
%%kay: hf with the shop guys
@quziel: thanks
@lucianvega: tnx
#Earth: what are you guys' thoughts
  passion ✿: whoa!
#Earth: on lanturn?
#Earth: hello passion
  passion ✿: hi
@quziel: yeah, lanturn seems real cool here
@yogibears: yes, lant is nice; av or lefties
  passion ✿: lanturn is good. it learns heal bell. i love that move.
@yogibears: i'm leaning toward av
@lucianvega: passion *.*
  passion ✿: hello
@lucianvega: naa
 AquaGlob: av?
@lucianvega: dont run lanturn
@lucianvega: yet
@quziel: assault vest
#Earth: av = assault vest
 AquaGlob: sry im clueless
@lucianvega: team will end up being
@lucianvega: weezing lanturn or skuntank
@yogibears: why not Lucian, it literally covers what we need to cover
@lucianvega: seeing as this is going rn
@lucianvega: so does ferroesed
@quziel: yeah, we should probably push this towards offense
@lucianvega: my point is wait till we finish offensive core
@quziel: tbh, how do y'all feel about mortar here
 AquaGlob: lanturn
@lucianvega: thats what i was thinking
@yogibears: mortar is cute
@lucianvega: but then again
@lucianvega: shiftry is gonna be cancer later on
@quziel: checks rotom, stops ice weakness, and breaks ahrd
@quziel: also pressures rhydon for us
@lucianvega: i still think its a bit much slow wallbreakers
 AquaGlob: swellow bodys shiftry
@lucianvega: for offense
@quziel: sucker sorta makes swellow sad
@quziel: yeah
@quziel: I get what you're saying
@lucianvega: i mean
@lucianvega: i like magmortar
@yogibears: zard then?
@lucianvega: nah
#Earth: i mean, is there something fast that covers out threat rn
@lucianvega: zard is 2 random
@lucianvega: sadly Earth
@lucianvega: in NU you cant cover offensively
#Earth: yeah
@quziel: tbh, we're allowed 2 walbreakers
@lucianvega: thats the downside of it
#Earth: so we don't have that much choice
@quziel: and swellow is hella fast
@lucianvega: ik
 AquaGlob: se
  Occa Paras: we do have much choice. 2 choice mons in fact
@yogibears: maybe we should have a volturn core going with swallow?
@yogibears: volturn is a kinda must for offensive teams to keep momentum
@lucianvega: anyways magmortar and toxic spikes weezing core would give us all checks we need
@lucianvega: but
@yogibears: it's too much towards balance
@yogibears: :3
@lucianvega: theres few more options
#Earth: that sounds so standard and balanced
 AquaGlob: like what
@lucianvega: yea thats how it would look
@lucianvega: if we went magmortar
@lucianvega: ;/
 AquaGlob: lets do it
@quziel: I mean, like mortar + xatu + hard rock stop would work
@quziel: nvm, I'm dumb
@lucianvega: nah
@lucianvega: archeops would be huge threat
@lucianvega: so would tauros
 AquaGlob: true
@lucianvega: dats why weezing is only fit with magmortar
 AquaGlob: everyone runs it so true
@yogibears: Lucian, tauros is always a huge threat :3
#Earth: imo let's just drop mortar
@lucianvega: Tan Bauros
@lucianvega: yep
@yogibears: but yeh, arch is annoying
@quziel: rotter?
 AquaGlob: tauros could be help
#Earth: too much electric weaknesses imo
@lucianvega: also dont pay attention to user TR abraham
@lucianvega: hes prety new to PS rooms
@yogibears: rotter means rotom and shift eat us
#Earth: ^
@lucianvega: im sorry
@lucianvega: but team will need either weezing or skuntank
@yogibears: boo
@yogibears: lol
@lucianvega: theres garbodor
 AquaGlob: weezing hes really bulky
#Earth: brb in a sec
@yogibears: i', down with offensive garb
@quziel: problem with weezing is that it sucks so much momentum
#Earth: (if you guys come up with something, don't forget to update with bb8)
@erisia: scarf weezing y/n
 AquaGlob: true
@yogibears: y/y erisia
@lucianvega: ive ran tbolt weezing to succes
@lucianvega: it would be ok if no malamar
@yogibears: lol, I've seen
@lucianvega: sadly weezing needs to run taunt pain split
@quziel: that said, we really need to start adding mons
  Occa Paras: tbh I feel like swellow doesn't really work
@lucianvega: anyways guys
@quziel: and I really don't think weezing should be here
@lucianvega: garbodor is really nice
@lucianvega: because it checks priroity
@lucianvega: priority**
@yogibears: i'm thinking garb is decent
@lucianvega: :]
 AquaGlob: true
@quziel: garb really helps, as we force a lot of switches, and it means we have more insurance against a few things
@lucianvega: after 3rd pokemon everything is easier to fill
@lucianvega: anyways what we need now is
@yogibears: water resist
@yogibears: badly
 AquaGlob: lanturn
@lucianvega: ice fire check,DD Don check,psychic resist,spinner, possibly secondary normal check
  Occa Paras: I personally suggest vileplume over weezing/garbodor
 AquaGlob: or gastrodon
@lucianvega: sh
  Occa Paras: vileplume + regirock
@lucianvega: first analyse the weaknesses
@lucianvega: before adding
++Blast: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: band golurk / Specs Swellow
@yogibears: vile is nice, but we're trying to move away from balance
@lucianvega: ola blast
@quziel: ~ws add Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor added
++Blast: (wave)
@quziel: I still feel that rotter would be nice
@quziel: SD gives us a good wincon, and aqua jet provides nice priority
@lucianvega: electric types r pretty cancer so far
@lucianvega: golurk gets 2 shot by
@yogibears: rotter could work now shift is slighty less worrying
@lucianvega: whats the word
@lucianvega: fthrower
@lucianvega: anyways we can run jolly golurk later on to get the aurorses
  Occa Paras: so we're going to do hyper offense instead?
@lucianvega: its fat offense
@quziel: bulky by the look of it
@lucianvega: we can probably afford for one more decently fast threat
@yogibears: HO is so difficult to build in this meta
  Occa Paras: neither swellow or golurk are bulky tho
@lucianvega: so far id definitely look for water/ice ground check first
@yogibears: golurk is bulky
@yogibears: ;_;
  Occa Paras: not really
 AquaGlob: relley
  Occa Paras: it's mediocre
@lucianvega: yea its mediocre
@yogibears: for NU standards, it's decent
@yogibears: enough
++Blast: you have to invest for it to be bulky
##Earth: Okay back
##Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: band golurk / Specs Swellow / Garbodor
@lucianvega: i wouldnt count golurk as normal check/decent spinblocker if its band
@yogibears: anywho, Lucian, thoughts on offensive poliwrath?
@quziel: ~ws remove band golurk
@BB-8-NU: band golurk removed
@quziel: ~ws add Band Golurk
@BB-8-NU: Band Golurk added
@lucianvega: thats just what i was thinking yogibears x]]]
 AquaGlob: whats team so far or do we have ant mons added
@quziel: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk
@yogibears: :3
@lucianvega: but then again
@quziel: tbh, shiftry fits
@yogibears: wrath means jynx jw's against us
@lucianvega: second option is rocks ferroseed
@lucianvega: to match vs normal types, psychic resist
@lucianvega: water check
##Earth: We're going for offense tho arent we
@lucianvega: yes
@lucianvega: its bulky offense
@lucianvega: it also checks omastar
  Occa Paras: maybe gastrodon? .w.
##Earth: I'd prolly prefer ferro here
 AquaGlob: i said that
@yogibears: gastro sucks momentum like you wouldn't believe sadly :(
 Rowlett: and ferro doesn't?
@yogibears: ferro does too, but it can force more switches
@quziel: twave mitigates that, and iron barbs punishes moves like u-turn, but I get your point
@yogibears: especially with moves like leech seed and t-wave
@yogibears: sniped x.x
@lucianvega: id say
@lucianvega: rocks bullet seed
@lucianvega: gyro and leech
@lucianvega: bcz its beter matchup vs barbaracle,Don and omastar
##Earth: Seems cool
##Earth: Are we all agreeing on ferroseed
@yogibears: yeh, i'm okay with ferro
 Rowlett: that's fine but now we need a rly good way to deal with mag
 Rowlett: since ferro is inviting that in
##Earth: ~ws add Ferroseed
@BB-8-NU: Ferroseed added
@lucianvega: anyways for last 2 we need
 PrinceOfAllSands: garb ferro?
@lucianvega: lemme quickly analyse weaknesses
@yogibears: we need a spinner because we're running garb
@yogibears: so defogging would be anti-productive
 Rowlett: what's the team rn oO
##Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / Ferroseed
  Occa Paras: yeah so we run hitmonchan
@lucianvega: ice/fire check,possible spiner,malamar check, DD don check and ghost/rotom
@yogibears: so we're going lant then Lucian lol
@lucianvega: magmortar covers ice and softly fire
@lucianvega: offensively
@lucianvega: or
@yogibears: because it is a fire/ice check, dd check, mal check with signal
@lucianvega: lanturn isnt ice check
@lucianvega: tbh
@lucianvega: abomasnow reks it
##Earth: Freeze dry aurorus eats it too
  Occa Paras: lanturn walls jynx tho
@yogibears: so we're going mag (#suggested it lol)
@lucianvega: magmortar covers all those
@lucianvega: is there any fast spinner btw?
  Occa Paras: cryo
 Rowlett: so mag is our mag check (cwl)
@yogibears: <3 quziel
@yogibears: mag seems decent, and chan allows for priority/spinning
@lucianvega: lets check other options tbh
@lucianvega: does anyone have role compendium near?
@Blast: ~roles nu
@BB-8-NU: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3524139/
##Earth: ^
@lucianvega: tnq
 Rowlett: god ferro seems weirder and weirder on this team ngl
 PrinceOfAllSands: I don't think this team would do too well :/
@quziel: yeah, tbh, it sorta doesn't fit
@erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / Ferroseed
##Earth: suggest what you want then
@yogibears: y
 Rowlett: why did we pick ferro
@lucianvega: lol
@yogibears: how do i do notes ;_;
@quziel: //modnote
##Earth: rocks, psychic check, water check etc
@lucianvega: Rowlett, ferro is rocks,flying check and normal check,water check
@lucianvega: its not the complete scyther check but grbodor does it
@quziel: tbh, specs pwrath over ferroseed, and then some random rocks mon works
@lucianvega: i think specs wrath and golurk do the same thing
@quziel: fair enough
  HJAD: hi all
 Rowlett: i was thinking we could do regi
@lucianvega: HJAD olee
@yogibears: hey HJAD ^.^
  HJAD: what have we got so far :o
@yogibears: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / Ferroseed
##Earth: hi hjad
@quziel: ~ws remove ferroseed
@BB-8-NU: ferroseed is not in the team
@quziel: ~ws remove Ferroseed
@BB-8-NU: Ferroseed removed
@HJAD: interesting team
##Earth: didnt know that caps mattered in this
@HJAD: hyper offense or balance?
  Occa Paras: bulky offense
@yogibears: bulky offense
  GO TRIBE!: use solrock / lunatone as a fire check and rocks
  Occa Paras: even though neither swellow nor golurk are bulky :3
@yogibears: lunatone is bad in general, and solrock just doesn't fit on the team
  GO TRIBE!: :O
  GO TRIBE!: ok
@lucianvega: get back ferrosed or we wont be able to check enough for last 2 imo
@quziel: tbh, we could just run offensive garb, and lure in rhydon that way
@lucianvega: offensively
@HJAD: hmm generally its looking like
  Occa Paras: golurk beats rhydon
@yogibears: we're already running offensive garb quziel/
@HJAD: we need stuff which can take advantage of
@yogibears: *?
@HJAD: golurks wallbreaking pwr
@quziel: nvm, I build wronly
@HJAD: maybe stacking ground types
@HJAD: is a good idea
@quziel: I still like AV lant, as it gives us a good pivot, then we can abuse that
@HJAD: if we are looking for a rocker
@yogibears: AV lant is still a decent choice y
##Earth: Same
@lucianvega: again,lanturn is another fat slow pokemon
@lucianvega: in 2 last youll need to provide a lot
@yogibears: it covers so much for the team in one slot tho, allowing us to focus on more offensive options for the last two
@yogibears: things like rocker arch and chan, etc
@HJAD: we still need a rocker
@lucianvega: nah, you need rocker and check to malamar for last 2
@HJAD: so make that one offensive slot
@lucianvega: and much more
@yogibears: signal beam lant checks mal
@yogibears: to an extent
@lucianvega: then gastrodon 6 0es
@HJAD: we can run
@HJAD: hp grass
@HJAD: i guess
 MARCU5theBAW5: oh crap. so like i missed the start cause i was still laddering
@Blast: dual stabs hp grass signal
@yogibears: ^
@yogibears: ice beam isn't really need as much
 MARCU5theBAW5: ~ws team
@yogibears: *needed
@HJAD: we can volt on that stufg
@yogibears: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk
@HJAD: anyway
 PrinceOfAllSands: What was the reasoning for Garb?
##Earth: tspikes support i guess
@yogibears: cover shift and allows for t-spikes
@lucianvega: not only that ,but DD rhydon will also need to be covered
@yogibears: lant speed creeps it
@lucianvega: sets up on swellow/garbo
@lucianvega: not lanturn
 PrinceOfAllSands: It's causing a slight pain
@yogibears: and offensive garb also beats it pretty hard
##Earth: hp grass swellow
##Earth: 8)
@lucianvega: swellow wont be locked into hp gras whole game
@lucianvega: it will click boomburst at one point
 MARCU5theBAW5: so are we going with lanturn as 4th?
@yogibears: i really think we should
@yogibears: we really need a set-up sweeper tho
@quziel: tbh, I still prefer scyther+golurk for the base core
##Earth: france lost
@yogibears: we can make an alt team if you really want quziel, i think Lucian did that once
  Occa Paras: not yet
@lucianvega: ye few times
##Earth: Yeah same
@lucianvega: alternative teams are always cool to have
##Earth: alt teams are cool
@quziel: tbh, how about golurk+swelllow+DD don to start off?
@quziel: then a few hard water resists, and ice resists
@lucianvega: id first finish the first version tbh
@lucianvega: because its pretty easy to finish it up, doesnt require too much offensive checks to cover it up
@lucianvega: oops
@yogibears: so, are we going lantern?
@yogibears: so we can finish off this team then make an alternative
 PrinceOfAllSands: Go for it wasn't here for some of this
@lucianvega: if we went fero
 PrinceOfAllSands: Golurk swellow is good
@lucianvega: they would cover everything offensively
@yogibears: CM on xatu?
@lucianvega: AOA
 PrinceOfAllSands: we added xatu?
@lucianvega: nah
@lucianvega: not yet
@lucianvega: just spiting ideas
@quziel: they're considering it
@yogibears: well, we do need something for set-up
@lucianvega: as soft hazard control
@lucianvega: and 95 speed is ok
 PrinceOfAllSands: Ice issue
@lucianvega: mag
@yogibears: and with three mons weak to rocks, we really need reliable hazard control
@lucianvega: yep
 PrinceOfAllSands: we have mag?
@lucianvega: sadly claydol is a bit 2 slow
 PrinceOfAllSands: what is this team lol
@lucianvega: and weak
@quziel: tbh, lant + bulky hitmon + rocker works
@lucianvega: would be a nice fit if claydol had like 90 speed
@yogibears: we have fast defoggers
@lucianvega: na
@yogibears: but no fast spinner
@lucianvega: i think only one is archeops
 PrinceOfAllSands: Golurk/Swellow/Magmortar/Garbo/Ferro ?
@yogibears: you know what
  Occa Paras: mega audino
 PrinceOfAllSands: I'm guessing we're using offensive pressure to keep the team steady
  Occa Paras: cryogonal is a fast spinner
@lucianvega: it is
@yogibears: i'm really starting to think guts swellow would actually fare better, considering we don't have a set-up sweeper or much room to put one in
@lucianvega: i mean sweloow is cleaner
@yogibears: yeah, but it helps break things nicely
  Occa Paras: kabutops is a sort of fast spinner
@yogibears: hmm
  Occa Paras: and aqua jet helps check DD Rhydon
@yogibears: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk
 PrinceOfAllSands: A Rotom can be a pain here
@yogibears: mag deals with it well enough, if we put it in, same with lant
@lucianvega: if you want to get 6 0ed by Rhydon
@yogibears: come on the other 6 people :3
@yogibears: *5 people
@yogibears: forgot about bb-8
@quziel: ok, basically, we need to make a choice
  GO TRIBE!: what is the arg for each?
  GO TRIBE!: nah actually id just rather have mortar
@quziel: lanturn gives pivot power, but is slow, mortar gives more offense, but is rocks weak, and can't pivot effectively
  GO TRIBE!: mortar takes care of the sleep twins
@yogibears: ~ws add AV Magmortar
@BB-8-NU: AV Magmortar added
##Earth: rhydon becomes a threat
@yogibears: earth, it runs hp grass
@lucianvega: i mean
@lucianvega: not only that
@lucianvega: :/
@lucianvega: ferro is only thing fitting
@lucianvega: with mag
##Earth: I know that it runs hp grass
##Earth: but still rhydon rly becomes annoying after just one rp
@lucianvega: normal psychic resist, water check and archeops check
@lucianvega: team doesnt have any of these, offensive golurk isnt enough
@yogibears: we adding ferro?
@lucianvega: NU cant patch offensively
@lucianvega: unless its full HO
  KingSwordYT: im late D:
@yogibears: HO can barely patch imo, I've tried
@yogibears: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / AV Magmortar
  KingSwordYT: ok
  KingSwordYT: Nice!
@yogibears: that's our team so far
  FeelingKingKToday: heya
@lucianvega: lagg
@lucianvega: pc gonna die soon so il prly get on phone
  FeelingKingKToday: what's the garb set?
##Earth: idk, offensive?
##Earth: i read that earlier
@yogibears: t-spikes, spikes, focus blast, gunk shot i believe
  shaneghoul: mesp seems a decent rocker
  shaneghoul: phys def
@yogibears: shane ^.^
  shaneghoul: yogi (wave_
  KingSwordYT: Hazards Removal?
 Rowlett: [17:41] @yogibears: we adding ferro?
 Rowlett: i see we've come full circle
  shaneghoul: oh ferro is a cool option
@yogibears: yup, i'm just tryna see what people want really
 MARCU5theBAW5: ferroseed + hazard remover?
@yogibears: ferro+chan would do the job
  KingSwordYT: I guess so
##Earth: Hiya shaneghoul
@lucianvega: They wouldn't because team dies to malamar
 MARCU5theBAW5: ~~chople x-scissor kabutops~~
@shaneghoul: eh the malamar matchup isn't really that bad
@quziel: tbh, just swap in golurk on a predicted superpower, and eq for the win
@shaneghoul: it only sets up on ferro and it can be dealt with
@yogibears: ^
  KingSwordYT: Malamar is not a huge threat for this team
@lucianvega: Can u do the command to check team?
@lucianvega: Im back on phone
 MARCU5theBAW5: ~ws team
@quziel: ~ws add Ferroseed
@BB-8-NU: Ferroseed added
@quziel: ~ws add Hitmonchan
@BB-8-NU: Hitmonchan added
@quziel: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / AV Magmortar / Ferroseed / Hitmonchan
@lucianvega: Oh
@lucianvega: Haze garbo
  FeelingKingKToday: u turn mesp
  FeelingKingKToday: for mala
@lucianvega: We've had haze on garbo once
 MARCU5theBAW5: random question can you add 2 pokemon to the ws team if you use a comma
@quziel: malamar isn't the most common, and we can deal with it through careful play with golruk
@quziel: no
@lucianvega: Its still a huge threat that can run thru whole team if not dealt with it early
@yogibears: it can be played around
@lucianvega: Just bcz its not common isnt rly enough not to softly check it
@yogibears: it's like saying jynx is or viv is, but it depends on the plays
@quziel: alternatively, swap to physical swellow, and u-turn on it
  KingSwordYT: So, what you suggest?
@shaneghoul: i really don't think mal is a big problem for this team
@yogibears: i'm actually thinking we should go physical swellow tho
++Shadowtags: Why does this entire team get the D from floatzel
@lucianvega: Yeh
@shaneghoul: rapture you just dodge the focus blast
##Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / AV Magmortar / Ferroseed / Hitmonchan
++Shadowtags: Tru it ain't hitting
 PrinceOfAllSands: Psychic resist?
@yogibears: sick ava shadowtags
++Shadowtags: ty
@lucianvega: Can someone do the Dt spin
  KingSwordYT: Magmortar deals kinda well
@lucianvega: Ds*
@lucianvega: Command
@yogibears: urm
@shaneghoul: you could run like offensive fog mantine
@shaneghoul: but eh
@yogibears: !ds rapid spin, nu
@lucianvega: Oh wait
++Shadowtags: you could always run toxic Ferro if the psychic match up is too shaky for you
@lucianvega: Check PU
  KingSwordYT: //ds rapid spin, pu
##Earth: !ds spin, nu
##Earth: lag
  KingSwordYT: sry
@lucianvega: Hm
 PrinceOfAllSands: This ferroseed literally has the world on it's shoulders
  KingSwordYT: With Garbodor*
@yogibears: so, we're all agreed on delibird being our jolly spinner
  KingSwordYT: xDD
##Earth: Lmao
  KingSwordYT: Or Garbodor  is running Offensive?
@shaneghoul: yea i'm down with deli
@yogibears: garb is offensive yes
@lucianvega: Does cryo learns signal bean
 MARCU5theBAW5: yes
 MARCU5theBAW5: it does
  KingSwordYT: Deli should be in S lol
@lucianvega: Offensive cryo
##Earth: !learn cryogonal, signal beam
@lucianvega: 105 speed
@yogibears: hmm
@lucianvega: Sounds decent
  KingSwordYT: Very fragile
@yogibears: signal beam, rapid spin, freeze dry, recover?
##Earth: sounds cool
##Earth: but eh im not a big fan of cryo
  KingSwordYT: Any physical priority would rekt cryogonal
@lucianvega: Its fast enough
++Shadowtags: Just run reflect
@yogibears: ^
@lucianvega: Can check float
@lucianvega: Eh nvm
@lucianvega: Or just be wild and go no spinner
  KingSwordYT: Special Floatzel
  KingSwordYT: Aqua Jet is 2HKO
@yogibears: 252 SpA Life Orb Floatzel Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Cryogonal: 198-234 (70.4 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
@lucianvega: We need a spinner for sure
@shaneghoul: you can't not have a spinner on this team
@lucianvega: Yeah
@yogibears: we ohko with freezedry
@lucianvega: Its another speedy mon
@shaneghoul: but yea idt cryo really helps the float matchup much
@lucianvega: It doesn't
@shaneghoul: since it can't switch in and revenge killing isn't the issue
@lucianvega: Yeah
@shaneghoul: it just seems like you're running a bad mon in cryo for no reason D:
@yogibears: i think we should switch mag out for lant
  KingSwordYT: Not bad idea
@yogibears: lets us deal with float, mal
@quziel: tbh, could just run AV hitmon, if the float matchup is that bad
  KingSwordYT: And deal with floatzel better
@yogibears: 252+ Atk Iron Fist Hitmonchan Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 165-195 (60.8 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
@yogibears: doesn't ohko after rocks :(
  KingSwordYT: But, if you quit on Mag Vivillon breaks the team?
@lucianvega: Yep
@lucianvega: So does lilli
##Earth: we're kinda struggling rn arent we
@yogibears: yup
@lucianvega: And garb is really easy to weaken
  KingSwordYT: Y
##Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / AV Magmortar / Ferroseed / Hitmonchan
@shaneghoul: i like the av chan idea tbh
@lucianvega: Just make it av chan and
@lucianvega: Yeah
@lucianvega: Ferro and golurk kinda check psycjic
@yogibears: 'check'
@lucianvega: Leech from ferro
@yogibears: so we done for actual members then?
@lucianvega: Shadow punch banded golurk
@shaneghoul: ferro is a good psychic check
  KingSwordYT: And Jynx?
##Earth: mag
  KingSwordYT: Welp
##Earth: checks jynx
@yogibears: mag is shaky
##Earth: kind of
@yogibears: but it can deal with it 1v1
@lucianvega: between ferro and magmortar
@shaneghoul: it kinda checks it
@lucianvega: along with mach punch Chan
@lucianvega: i think its enough
@yogibears: y
##Earth: yh
@shaneghoul: yea
@lucianvega: also swellow outspeeds and kils
  KingSwordYT: So, Mag should keep in
++Shadowtags: mag + Swellow with spikes limit how much it comes in
@yogibears: right so actual sets
@lucianvega: put
@lucianvega: haze on garbodor
@yogibears: 1 sec
@yogibears: we running sleep talk on specs swellow?
@shaneghoul: tailwin
@lucianvega: seed bomb does 5 to steelix and rhydon anyway
@shaneghoul: imo
@lucianvega: taillwind yea
@lucianvega: was abot to suggest
@yogibears: ooh
@yogibears: noice
@shaneghoul: tailwin + cb lurk
@yogibears: deadly af
  KingSwordYT: sounds well
@lucianvega: also Slash adamant/jolly on golurk
++Shadowtags: Might opt for hp grass the offensive rhydon matchup is shaky rn
@yogibears: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / AV Magmortar / Ferroseed / Hitmonchan
@lucianvega: also put bullet seed on ferro
@lucianvega: for smashers and Don
@yogibears: i'll slash them
  Based Sexy Pants: Wait, you guys are using Delibird?
@lucianvega: n
@yogibears: y
@shaneghoul: slash seed bomb with haze too
##Earth: gotta shower, i'll come back soon and if y'all finish this, keep the chat logs pls thx
  Based Sexy Pants: I was reading the top of chat, lol.
  Based Sexy Pants: Scary.
  KingSwordYT: hahha
@yogibears: ferro spread
  Based Sexy Pants: o okay, that team looks way better.
  Based Sexy Pants: With Chan.
@lucianvega: AV chan is always decent
  KingSwordYT: av chan, to deal better with floatzel
++Shadowtags: just use the mixed spread on site
@shaneghoul: might even be worth running more sp def tbh
  KingSwordYT: And, against Opposing Specs Swellow?
@shaneghoul: win the tie
@lucianvega: ^
@lucianvega: also ferro/mag is nice vs it
  Based Sexy Pants: Or outplay with Mag/Ferroseed.
@yogibears: we opting for t-spikes, spikes, gunk shot, focus blast/seed bomb/haze on garb
  KingSwordYT: 2hko, no clean switch-in
  Based Sexy Pants: Focus Blast Garb sounds lit.
@shaneghoul: sure
  KingSwordYT: Steelix ´ll get surprised ;D
@lucianvega: it does like 30 anyway
  Based Sexy Pants: Only 30?
@lucianvega: impish garbo is weak
@lucianvega: its mainly for aggron
  Based Sexy Pants: o it's defensive with Focus Blast.
  KingSwordYT: 0- SpA Garbodor Focus Blast vs. 244 HP / 128 SpD Steelix: 124-146 (35.2 - 41.4%) -- 72.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
  Based Sexy Pants: If it's for Aggron, and it's Impish, wouldn't Drain Punch be better?
@shaneghoul: nah, since aggron's def is so high
@yogibears: we're running fast offensive tho
  KingSwordYT: nope
  KingSwordYT: Focus ensures the 2hko
  KingSwordYT: at least without missing
@lucianvega: yogi we still need a hard check to shiftry
@lucianvega: go with standard set
@shaneghoul: i mean
@shaneghoul: standard just dies if it sds
@lucianvega: indeed
@lucianvega: altough majority of team drops to shiftry
@quziel: ~~go itemless for a better matchup vs shift~~
@lucianvega: so it can slowly weaken garbo for later game
@lucianvega: lol
@shaneghoul: i like quziel's idea
  KingSwordYT: Shidtry 2hkoes the offensive Garb
  Occa Paras: =.=
  KingSwordYT: why Offensive Garb?
@quziel: yeah, tbh defensive fits better here
@yogibears: http://hastebin.com/adojobimok.md
@yogibears: right
@yogibears: that's what I've got
@yogibears: feel free to make alterations or tell me I've got it wrong :3
@lucianvega: k il check
@shaneghoul: seems cool
@quziel: test battle anyone?
@lucianvega: gyro ball on ferroseed
@lucianvega: over twave
  KingSwordYT: ^
@yogibears: i put t-wave because it helps with some speed control, but yeh, i guess
@lucianvega: definitely EQ on magmortar
@lucianvega: because its only fire resist
@yogibears: oh
@yogibears: though i put that on lol
  KingSwordYT: Having Tailwind, Gyro Ball is better
@lucianvega: over flame chargy
@lucianvega: charge*
@yogibears: lel
@lucianvega: change hitmonchan spread to
@lucianvega: 112 speed 144 hp outspeeds aurorus
@shaneghoul: i like flame charge on this team
@quziel: yeah, tbh flame charge morta gives a cool wincon
@lucianvega: flame charge is always a good option
@shaneghoul: could just go foucs blast over grass
@lucianvega: but
@yogibears: i'll slash both
@lucianvega: theres nothing to deal with fire types
@lucianvega: so its kinda forced to go with EQ
  KingSwordYT: Bullet seed why?
@lucianvega: smashers,dd don
@quziel: I mean, its not stpping don
@lucianvega: its not
@lucianvega: but between leech seed and bulletsed
@lucianvega: and hitmonchan
@yogibears: http://hastebin.com/mojocuceda.md
@lucianvega: it should be enough
  KingSwordYT: No Knock off in this team o.o
@yogibears: tbh, not much stops don
@lucianvega: you still didnt swap ferroseed moveset
@yogibears: i put gyro D:
@lucianvega: also hitmonchan cant add that 4 spdef Evs
@yogibears: oh yeh x.x
@yogibears: i slashed t-wave because it's good for speed control and helps golurk out
@lucianvega: http://hastebin.com/ugosacisim.md
@yogibears: http://hastebin.com/nohenixapo.md
@yogibears: right, who wants to test? :3
++Shadowtags: Decide on one team and don't go crazy with the move slashes imo
  KingSwordYT: Also protect, to get more Leech Seed Recovery, and nice mind games
@lucianvega: not protect
@lucianvega: it needs Bullet Seed
  KingSwordYT: OK >_>
@yogibears: drop flame charge, sleep talk and focus blast then, but haze will still stay slashed with seed bomb imo]
@lucianvega: i like flame charge, but matchup vs opposing magmortar/pyroars will become much harder
@lucianvega: and magmortar is main fire resist here
@lucianvega: so EQ is always beter
  KingSwordYT: And, The Modest nature in Mag
@lucianvega: modest is fine for better matchup vs jynx/some priority
  KingSwordYT: welp
@yogibears: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-397978602
@yogibears: team testing!
##Earth: aight
##Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Swellow / Garbodor / Band Golurk / AV Magmortar / Ferroseed / Hitmonchan
##Earth: so we're av chan?
  KingSwordYT: Y
##Earth: Sounds cool
@quziel: huh, seems like I need to drop that team
@yogibears: lol
@yogibears: we saving that replay or nah?
@quziel: if you want, wasn't an amazing battle though
@yogibears: tru
++Shadowtags: I'll play if you want
@yogibears: sure
@lucianvega: link g
@yogibears: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-397981275
 Rowlett: team seems nice and 6-0d by dd rhydon
  GO TRIBE!: :O
++Shadowtags: Good stuff overall, had to rly think to outplay both mag and golurk
@yogibears: Lol, switching from comp to phone messed me up, but gg
@yogibears: Lucian
@lucianvega: ole
@yogibears: Can you keep the logs for the chat?
@lucianvega: yeah sure
@lucianvega: ill put it in pastebin
@yogibears: We done here then fellas?