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  1. [21:00] <@blarajan> my personal opinion for this lecture
  2. [21:00] <%Danilo> life orb mienfoo
  3. [21:00] <@blarajan> is we go
  4. [21:00] <@blarajan> really offensive
  5. [21:00] <@iss> i swear it works, it gets sucker punch
  6. [21:00] <@blarajan> thoughts?
  7. [21:00] <%Danilo> i hear that's good
  8. [21:00] <@iss> sure
  9. [21:00] <uxsee> what is a team around riolu
  10. [21:00] <%Raseri> physical chinchou
  11. [21:00] <%Raseri> !
  12. [21:00] <%Raseri> idk i hate pokemon
  13. [21:00] <@blarajan> i think this one should be a super offensive team
  14. [21:01] <@iss> raseri i'll pastebin my team
  15. [21:01] <Borogoves> ok then let's do
  16. [21:01] <Borogoves> lo scraggy
  17. [21:01] <@blarajan> cause offense is kind of difficult in lc to do well
  18. [21:01] <%Danilo> mold breaker drilbur then
  19. [21:01] <uxsee> gogogo stall :D
  20. [21:01] <%Danilo> a must
  21. [21:01] <@blarajan> there are a variety of offensive threats that are fun to build around
  22. [21:01] <@blarajan> okay
  23. [21:01] <@blarajan> 1) life orb scraggy
  24. [21:01] * Friar (Mibbit@synIRC-E57B18C0.nts.wustl.edu) has joined #littlecup
  25. [21:01] <@blarajan> 2) life orb mienfoo
  26. [21:01] <@blarajan> 3) life orb staryu
  27. [21:01] <@blarajan> 4) agility chinchou
  28. [21:01] <@iss> i vote 4
  29. [21:01] <@blarajan> one of these
  30. [21:01] <@iss> b/c chinchou
  31. [21:01] <@blarajan> well your vote doesn't count
  32. [21:01] <uxsee> 2
  33. [21:01] <uxsee> :D
  34. [21:01] <@iss> hmmm
  35. [21:01] <@blarajan> i'm really really thinking either lo mienfoo or lo staryu
  36. [21:01] <@blarajan> are what we should build around for today
  37. [21:01] <uxsee> sounds fun and hipster
  38. [21:01] <@prem> lo staryu
  39. [21:01] <@blarajan> both are really fun mons for the meta
  40. [21:02] <McMeghan> I Propose Wynaut + SetuP !
  41. [21:02] <@prem> lo mienfoo is too simple
  42. [21:02] <%Raseri> 1
  43. [21:02] <@blarajan> i vote lo staryu
  44. [21:02] <@iss> wynaut is sort of bad now :(
  45. [21:02] <@iss> memento diglett is better for setup imo
  46. [21:02] <uxsee> :(
  47. [21:02] <@blarajan> 2 votes for staryu, one for chinchou, one for scraggy
  48. [21:02] <@blarajan> and one for mienfoo
  49. [21:02] <@blarajan> thus far
  50. [21:02] <@prem> any deck running staryu should run scraggy anyway
  51. [21:02] <@prem> :D
  52. [21:02] <@blarajan> wait while we're here
  53. [21:02] <@blarajan> WHO'S ACTUALLY HERE FOR THIS?
  54. [21:02] <@blarajan> say aye
  55. [21:02] <uxsee> changes vote to scraggy
  56. [21:02] <Borogoves> aye
  57. [21:02] <@prem> IM LEAVING FOR AN HOUR
  58. [21:02] <@blarajan> aye
  59. [21:02] <@prem> AT LEAST
  60. [21:02] <@blarajan> okay leave then
  61. [21:02] <uxsee> ayer
  62. [21:02] <@blarajan> who's going to be here for this whole thing?
  63. [21:03] <@prem> lol
  64. [21:03] <@blarajan> me, uxsee, borogroves
  65. [21:03] <uxsee> maybe me
  66. [21:03] <%Raseri> n
  67. [21:03] <uxsee> depends on if i die or not
  68. [21:03] <%Raseri> fuck pokemon
  69. [21:03] * breh (Mibbit@synIRC-6786C0B0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #littlecup
  70. [21:03] <@blarajan> raseri? danilo? ebeast? mcmeghan? hawkstar? dracoyoshi8? breh?
  71. [21:03] <breh> euuurgh
  72. [21:03] <%Raseri> ill watch
  73. [21:03] <breh> that red
  74. [21:03] <%Raseri> and talk sometimes
  75. [21:03] <@blarajan> yeah watching is fine
  76. [21:03] <+Hawkstar> I'm oososososososososing
  77. [21:03] <uxsee> might go afk a little bit
  78. [21:03] <@blarajan> i just want to know if you'll be hereish
  79. [21:03] <breh> it looks awful on mibbit x_x
  80. [21:03] <%Danilo> what am i voting on
  81. [21:03] <@blarajan> snowflakes?
  82. [21:03] <McMeghan> i'll watch because i'm useless at talking
  83. [21:03] <ebeast> yeah I'ma go with Raseri's pan
  84. [21:03] <@blarajan> 1) lo scraggy 2) lo mienfoo 3) lo staryu 4) agility chinchou
  85. [21:03] <%Danilo> im kind of here
  86. [21:03] <@blarajan> agility chinchou is kind of really bad
  87. [21:04] <@blarajan> for this meta
  88. [21:04] <ebeast> I might get into this fully if NU showdowns ends fast enough
  89. [21:04] <@blarajan> so i would really really really recommend
  90. [21:04] <%Danilo> im with lo mienfoo
  91. [21:04] <@blarajan> not going for that
  92. [21:04] <McMeghan> 0
  93. [21:04] <McMeghan> 2
  94. [21:04] <@blarajan> okay actually
  95. [21:04] <McMeghan> My vote goes for Mienfoo
  96. [21:04] <viamage> teambuil going on yet?
  97. [21:04] <@blarajan> just say the poke
  98. [21:04] <@blarajan> okay
  99. [21:04] <@blarajan> life orb mienfoo?
  100. [21:04] <@iss> lo staryu
  101. [21:04] <@blarajan> or staryu?
  102. [21:04] <Snowflakes> yeah blara
  103. [21:04] <@blarajan> i'm limiting it to these two
  104. [21:04] <uxsee> mienfoo strong
  105. [21:04] <@iss> staryu op
  106. [21:04] <ebeast> Staryu go
  107. [21:04] <@blarajan> because chinchou fucking sucks and scraggy can easily be added
  108. [21:04] <Borogoves> ok then I'll say staryu
  109. [21:04] <uxsee> ***mienfoo***
  110. [21:04] <viamage> staryu
  111. [21:05] <Snowflakes> rajan yuflash
  112. [21:05] <@blarajan> staryu for me too
  113. [21:05] <@blarajan> yeah you going to join this thing flakes?
  114. [21:05] <viamage> get that spin support :P
  115. [21:05] <@blarajan> actually the staryu i'm imagining doesn't have spin (gasp!!!)
  116. [21:05] <Snowflakes> i'll contribute what i can
  117. [21:05] <@prem> LO STARYU
  118. [21:05] <@prem> RUNS
  119. [21:05] <viamage> :O really?
  120. [21:05] <Snowflakes> it uses blizzard doesn't it
  121. [21:05] <@prem> PSYCHIC HP GRASS BLIZZARD HYDRO PUMP
  122. [21:05] <viamage> ^
  123. [21:05] <@blarajan> .......
  124. [21:05] <@blarajan> no
  125. [21:05] <Borogoves> ^
  126. [21:05] <@blarajan> what
  127. [21:05] <@prem> it should
  128. [21:05] <@blarajan> no
  129. [21:05] <@prem> lol
  130. [21:05] <uxsee> ok then snover
  131. [21:05] <Borogoves> yes
  132. [21:05] <@blarajan> what
  133. [21:05] <viamage> ok makes sense prem
  134. [21:05] <@blarajan> no
  135. [21:05] <uxsee> :D
  136. [21:05] <@prem> what else are you gonna run
  137. [21:05] <@prem> lol
  138. [21:06] <viamage> ice beam and tbolt?
  139. [21:06] <Snowflakes> blizzard>ice beam
  140. [21:06] * askaninjask (ninjask@y.slash.n) has joined #littlecup
  141. [21:06] * Cerberus sets mode: +h askaninjask
  142. [21:06] <Snowflakes> hp grass for tirt
  143. [21:06] <viamage> agreed snow
  144. [21:06] <@blarajan> i just meant
  145. [21:06] <@blarajan> ice beam > blizzard
  146. [21:06] <@blarajan> lol
  147. [21:06] <@blarajan> i'm okay with that four attack thing
  148. [21:06] <@blarajan> unless we use snover
  149. [21:06] <@prem> well obviously
  150. [21:06] <@blarajan> later or something
  151. [21:06] <@prem> but ice beam cant 2hko lileep
  152. [21:06] <uxsee> or recover
  153. [21:06] <@blarajan> hydro pump / ice beam / hp grass / psychic
  154. [21:06] <@prem> so i assume snover is needed
  155. [21:06] <@blarajan> or hydro pump / ice beam / hp grass / recover
  156. [21:06] <@blarajan> ?
  157. [21:06] * Double01 (Double01@synIRC-C56DEF36.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #littlecup
  158. [21:07] <@prem> no recover is useless
  159. [21:07] <@blarajan> are we okay with lo staryu?
  160. [21:07] <@prem> you dont have turns
  161. [21:07] <Snowflakes> psychic
  162. [21:07] <viamage> yes
  163. [21:07] <@blarajan> okay truesies
  164. [21:07] <@blarajan> aight
  165. [21:07] <@blarajan> lo four attack staryu doing it for us here?
  166. [21:07] <viamage> is that the first poke
  167. [21:07] <uxsee> just an option, jeez
  168. [21:07] <@iss> hydro pump / tbolt / hp grass / psychic
  169. [21:07] <@iss> imo
  170. [21:07] <@blarajan> yes
  171. [21:07] <@blarajan> need ice beam to even touch lileep
  172. [21:07] <@iss> screw lileep
  173. [21:07] <@blarajan> hp grass hits waters as hard as tbolt p much
  174. [21:07] <@iss> we have 5 other mons
  175. [21:07] <@blarajan> why tbolt?
  176. [21:07] <@prem> hp grass hits chinchou
  177. [21:07] <@prem> tbolt is worthess
  178. [21:07] <uxsee> thats what i was wondering
  179. [21:07] <@iss> to hit idk
  180. [21:08] <@blarajan> OKAY SO WE'LL USE LIFE ORB STARYU
  181. [21:08] <@blarajan> WITH HYDRO PUMP HP GRASS ICE BEAM PSYCHIC
  182. [21:08] <uxsee> XD
  183. [21:08] <@blarajan> IS THIS OKAY?
  184. [21:08] <@blarajan> ANY ONE REALLY OBJECT?
  185. [21:08] <@iss> i guess it hits like
  186. [21:08] <@iss> delibird
  187. [21:08] <@prem> lol
  188. [21:08] <Snowflakes> lol
  189. [21:08] <uxsee> caps, ban blajaran
  190. [21:08] <@blarajan> k
  191. [21:08] <uxsee> :D
  192. [21:08] <@blarajan> is this fine plz say yes guys
  193. [21:08] * iss sets mode: +b blaranoob!*@*
  194. [21:08] <@iss> ya sure
  195. [21:08] * prem sets mode: -b blaranoob!*@*
  196. [21:08] <uxsee> lol
  197. [21:08] <@prem> ITS OBVIOUSLY FINE
  198. [21:08] <@prem> DUMBASS
  199. [21:08] <@blarajan> okay
  200. [21:08] <@blarajan> fuck it
  201. [21:08] <Snowflakes> nobody said NO
  202. [21:08] <@blarajan> nobody said no
  203. [21:08] <@blarajan> we're doing it
  204. [21:08] <uxsee> ban prem too
  205. [21:08] <@iss> lol
  206. [21:08] <viamage> who's building the team?
  207. [21:08] <uxsee> ban everyone
  208. [21:08] <@blarajan> i got you nigs
  209. [21:08] <Snowflakes> we all are
  210. [21:08] <@iss> everyone via
  211. [21:09] <@prem> lol
  212. [21:09] <@iss> vishnomage
  213. [21:09] <@iss> :D
  214. [21:09] <@iss> okay anyways
  215. [21:09] <viamage> :P
  216. [21:09] <@iss> what set
  217. [21:09] <@iss> we need hpump obviously
  218. [21:09] <@iss> and hp grass is cool too
  219. [21:09] <@iss> can someone calc hp grass against standard offensive chinchou with eviolite
  220. [21:09] <@iss> (even though that set sucks a lot now)
  221. [21:09] <@blarajan> hydro pump / hp grass / ice team / psychic
  222. [21:10] <@blarajan> 252 SpAtk Life Orb Staryu Hidden Power Grass vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Eviolite Chinchou: 44.44% - 51.85% (2-3 hits to KO)
  223. [21:10] <@blarajan> idk what it runs
  224. [21:10] <@blarajan> i just maxed hp
  225. [21:10] <ebeast> 196SpAtk Life Orb Analytic lvl 5 Staryu (Neutral) Hidden Power (Grass) vs 0HP/0SpDef Eviolite Volt Absorb lvl 5 Chinchou (Neutral): 58% -
  226. 83% (14 - 20 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO
  227. [21:10] <ebeast> iirc it uses only 52 in Def
  228. [21:10] <@blarajan> 252 SpAtk Life Orb Staryu Ice Beam vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Eviolite Lileep (+SpDef) : 46.15% - 53.85% (2-3 hits to KO)
  229. [21:10] <@blarajan> staryu is strong as fuck guys
  230. [21:11] <@blarajan> and the cool thing is
  231. [21:11] <@prem> yes
  232. [21:11] <@blarajan> it has 19 hp
  233. [21:11] <@prem> only with a life orb
  234. [21:11] <@blarajan> so it's only one point hp a turn
  235. [21:11] <Borogoves> yup
  236. [21:11] <@blarajan> now what do we think staryu has issues with?
  237. [21:11] <@blarajan> breaking through or getting outrun
  238. [21:11] <@blarajan> thoughts?
  239. [21:11] <@iss> ferroseed
  240. [21:11] <@blarajan> for sure ferroseed
  241. [21:11] <@blarajan> anything else?
  242. [21:11] <@iss> specially defensive restalk chinchou
  243. [21:11] <@blarajan> ok
  244. [21:11] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou
  245. [21:11] <@blarajan> i'd like to say murkrow
  246. [21:11] <@iss> choice scarf pkmn
  247. [21:11] <@blarajan> since this is four attacks
  248. [21:12] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / scarfers
  249. [21:12] <@blarajan> i'll add misdreavus in there for fast mons, though lo hydro does a fucking ton
  250. [21:12] <Snowflakes> drilburr
  251. [21:12] <Snowflakes> or do we include that
  252. [21:12] <@blarajan> yeah
  253. [21:12] <@blarajan> i'll add it
  254. [21:12] <Snowflakes> in scarfers
  255. [21:12] <@blarajan> it ohkoes
  256. [21:12] <@iss> there are only two rs in drilbur
  257. [21:12] <@iss> (stupid danilo)
  258. [21:12] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / scarfers
  259. [21:12] <@blarajan> diglett / elekid as well
  260. [21:12] <uxsee> cuz ninjas~
  261. [21:13] <@iss> other staryu
  262. [21:13] <@blarajan> any other dieas, breh, uxsee, etc?
  263. [21:13] <@iss> that can predict and win speed ties
  264. [21:13] <uxsee> umm not really
  265. [21:13] <@blarajan> ferroseed / reset talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / elekid / diglett / staryu / scarfers
  266. [21:13] <@prem> you know whats gay
  267. [21:13] <@iss> every 19+ speeder and scarfers
  268. [21:13] <viamage> i think we got them all and then some
  269. [21:13] <@prem> scraggy
  270. [21:13] <@prem> !
  271. [21:13] <@prem> not mienfoo
  272. [21:13] <@iss> you know whos gay
  273. [21:13] <@prem> but scraggy
  274. [21:13] <%Danilo> iss i fixxed it t-t
  275. [21:13] <@iss> definitely not prem
  276. [21:13] <@prem> i know
  277. [21:13] <@prem> right
  278. [21:13] <@prem> okay im leaving
  279. [21:13] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou /
  280. [21:13] <@blarajan> oops
  281. [21:13] <@prem> ill be back in an hour or 2
  282. [21:14] <Snowflakes> ok
  283. [21:14] <@blarajan> 252 SpAtk Life Orb Staryu Hydro Pump vs 0 HP/36 SpDef Eviolite Scraggy: 61.9% - 76.19% (2 hits to KO)
  284. [21:14] <ebeast> iirc Houndour LO Sucker Punch OHKOes
  285. [21:14] <@blarajan> this shit is strong okay
  286. [21:14] <@blarajan> okay
  287. [21:14] <@blarajan> we have a bunch of checks now
  288. [21:14] <@iss> physical lo chinchou
  289. [21:14] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / elekid / diglett / staryu / houndour / scarfers
  290. [21:14] <@iss> i bet sucker punch koes if you bp it a swords dance
  291. [21:14] <breh> so wait
  292. [21:14] <breh> what is the current team?
  293. [21:14] <uxsee> would stunky count
  294. [21:14] <@blarajan> just life orb staryu
  295. [21:14] <viamage> staryu
  296. [21:14] <@blarajan> fuck stunky
  297. [21:14] <Borogoves> just lo staryu
  298. [21:14] <uxsee> stunky strong
  299. [21:14] <uxsee> :D
  300. [21:14] <@iss> life orb staryu / / / / / /
  301. [21:15] <@blarajan> now we see a lot of those problems right now
  302. [21:15] <uxsee> what is the teamstyle
  303. [21:15] <@iss> also blarajan
  304. [21:15] <@blarajan> super offense
  305. [21:15] <@blarajan> we're making this offensive as shit
  306. [21:15] <uxsee> okay
  307. [21:15] <@iss> lo staryu is really prediction dependant
  308. [21:15] <Snowflakes> bronzor
  309. [21:15] <viamage> ho :O
  310. [21:15] <@blarajan> because offense teams are really hard to build
  311. [21:15] <@blarajan> in lc
  312. [21:15] <@blarajan> so it's perfect to go through how to do it
  313. [21:15] <@iss> so -all things that can live attack + not the best attack-
  314. [21:15] <breh> blara
  315. [21:15] <breh> don't you just use like
  316. [21:15] <breh> hippo/drilbur/etc.
  317. [21:15] <@iss> no
  318. [21:15] <@blarajan> that's balanced really
  319. [21:15] <@iss> because that's sand
  320. [21:15] <Snowflakes> blarasand
  321. [21:15] <@blarajan> sand is pretty balanced
  322. [21:16] <@blarajan> i'm talking like pure unadulterated little cup hyper offense
  323. [21:16] <@iss> sand is balance
  324. [21:16] <@iss> it's drilbur + support bulky mons
  325. [21:16] <uxsee> okay then scraggy
  326. [21:16] <uxsee> ofc
  327. [21:16] <@iss> maybe
  328. [21:16] <Snowflakes> do we bother with screens?
  329. [21:16] <@iss> no
  330. [21:16] <Snowflakes> k
  331. [21:16] <@blarajan> we could try screens offense
  332. [21:16] <uxsee> scraggy strong and beats ferroseed
  333. [21:16] <@blarajan> why just no, iss?
  334. [21:16] <@iss> you don't screen in lc ho
  335. [21:16] <@blarajan> you can
  336. [21:16] <@iss> there's no time to put up screens
  337. [21:16] <@iss> because
  338. [21:16] <@blarajan> bs this meta is slow as balls
  339. [21:16] <@iss> bronzor is really big setup bait
  340. [21:16] <viamage> magne for steel trapping :D
  341. [21:16] <@iss> if you get set up on as ho
  342. [21:16] <uxsee> cottonee for reflect
  343. [21:16] <@blarajan> nigga i'm talking abra screens
  344. [21:16] <@iss> you just die
  345. [21:17] <@blarajan> dual screen abra
  346. [21:17] <@iss> abra screens are stupid but okay you have a point
  347. [21:17] <viamage> ^
  348. [21:17] <Friar> wouldnt like natu make sense to stop our mons from being crippled
  349. [21:17] <@blarajan> o
  350. [21:17] <@blarajan> cool story
  351. [21:17] <@blarajan> i like that
  352. [21:17] <@blarajan> natu sounds pretty cool
  353. [21:17] <@blarajan> cock blocking ferroseed too
  354. [21:17] <uxsee> then its not hyperoffense
  355. [21:17] <uxsee> unless specs
  356. [21:17] <@iss> maybe we should talk about what ho needs
  357. [21:17] <@blarajan> yeah
  358. [21:17] <@iss> okay so we need
  359. [21:18] <@iss> hazards
  360. [21:18] <@blarajan> we need strong
  361. [21:18] <@blarajan> a lot of strong
  362. [21:18] <@iss> maybe screens
  363. [21:18] <@iss> at least 4 sweepers
  364. [21:18] <@blarajan> uh
  365. [21:18] <uxsee> offensive hazards = ?
  366. [21:18] <viamage> we need scarf porygon :D
  367. [21:18] <@blarajan> i disagree there
  368. [21:18] <@blarajan> okay i guess this is a bit hard since
  369. [21:18] <@blarajan> we all have really conflicting definitions of
  370. [21:18] <@iss> at least 3 actually
  371. [21:18] <@iss> tbh
  372. [21:18] <@blarajan> offense
  373. [21:18] <@blarajan> or hyper offense
  374. [21:18] <@blarajan> or whatever the hell we're doing
  375. [21:18] <@blarajan> so how about this
  376. [21:18] <uxsee> lets define it first
  377. [21:18] <@blarajan> let's just say when we're building this
  378. [21:18] <@blarajan> we're going for BAM POW SWEEP SMASH
  379. [21:18] <@iss> you need revenge killer + hazards + sweepers at the minimum
  380. [21:18] <@iss> tbh
  381. [21:19] <@blarajan> and breakers and clean up and shit
  382. [21:19] <@blarajan> i'm sure we can figure out what to and what not to add
  383. [21:19] <@iss> maybe screens, maybe a spinner
  384. [21:19] <@blarajan> i'm thinking natu sounds fantastic
  385. [21:19] <@blarajan> since it acts as a spinner and screeners
  386. [21:19] <@blarajan> screener*
  387. [21:19] * KingTorterraXIV (~cgiirc@synIRC-66EF18D5.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #littlecup
  388. [21:19] <@blarajan> and pivot and shit
  389. [21:19] <uxsee> yeah
  390. [21:19] <@iss> you don't really need wallbreakers tbh because there are no really good wallbreakers
  391. [21:19] <@blarajan> i really like this idea a lot
  392. [21:19] <@blarajan> STARYU
  393. [21:19] <KingTorterraXIV> hello
  394. [21:19] <@blarajan> IS BEST WALL BREAKER
  395. [21:19] <uxsee> or light screenmagnemite
  396. [21:19] <@iss> staryu isn't really a wallbreaker but w.e
  397. [21:19] <@blarajan> the problem with that is magnemite is kind of slow at least
  398. [21:19] <uxsee> for ferroshit
  399. [21:19] <@iss> lol ds magnemite
  400. [21:19] <@iss> i tried that
  401. [21:19] <@blarajan> who said natu?
  402. [21:19] <@blarajan> for the record
  403. [21:19] <@iss> it sucked a lot :(
  404. [21:19] <@blarajan> i don't remember
  405. [21:19] <uxsee> aww D:
  406. [21:20] <ebeast> Friar
  407. [21:20] <ebeast> did
  408. [21:20] <@blarajan> friar, that was a really good call
  409. [21:20] * KingTorterraXIV (~cgiirc@synIRC-66EF18D5.bchsia.telus.net) Quit (Quit: KingTorterraXIV)
  410. [21:20] <@iss> dual screen natu tbh
  411. [21:20] <@iss> u-turn is cool too
  412. [21:20] <@iss> reflect/light screen/u-turn/roost
  413. [21:20] <@blarajan> do we all see why dual screen natu might be a cool fit for where this team is going?
  414. [21:20] <@blarajan> no nigger
  415. [21:20] <@blarajan> fuck roost
  416. [21:20] <@iss> fine
  417. [21:20] <@blarajan> we don't have time to roost
  418. [21:20] <@iss> run psychic or something idk
  419. [21:20] <@blarajan> hp fly that shit
  420. [21:20] <Snowflakes> THIS IS HYPER OFFENSIVE
  421. [21:20] <Snowflakes> FUCK YEAH
  422. [21:20] <@iss> lol
  423. [21:20] <uxsee> SPECS NATU LEGGO
  424. [21:20] <@blarajan> but yeah do we see why natu is a cool suggestion?
  425. [21:20] <Snowflakes> let's go in like rambo
  426. [21:20] <Snowflakes> i'm gamee for natuu
  427. [21:20] * @Dracoyoshi8 (Tropius@is.completely.bananas) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  428. [21:21] <@iss> ho was really fun in dpp
  429. [21:21] <@blarajan> it's fast, it gets screens, prevents hazards which we like, u-turn, cock blocks ferrotroll, helps against natu and such, and hippo
  430. [21:21] <@blarajan> etc
  431. [21:21] <@blarajan> it provides us a lot of good momentum
  432. [21:21] <uxsee> okay now we need something to take electric attacks
  433. [21:21] <@blarajan> and such
  434. [21:21] <@blarajan> wait
  435. [21:21] <@blarajan> we have an important decision to make first
  436. [21:21] <@blarajan> eviolite? or light clay?
  437. [21:21] <uxsee> oooooh
  438. [21:21] <uxsee> umm
  439. [21:21] <@blarajan> i hate this decision
  440. [21:21] <@iss> light clay
  441. [21:21] <Snowflakes> how many turns does light clay make it go up?
  442. [21:21] <@iss> natu can force out hazard setters
  443. [21:21] <@blarajan> 8
  444. [21:21] <@iss> +3 turns
  445. [21:21] <@iss> which is a lot
  446. [21:22] <@blarajan> 8 turns with light clay
  447. [21:22] <Snowflakes> yeah it is
  448. [21:22] <@blarajan> 5 without
  449. [21:22] <uxsee> light clay then
  450. [21:22] <@blarajan> which includes the turn it's set up
  451. [21:22] <@blarajan> okay
  452. [21:22] <ebeast> I think Light Clay
  453. [21:22] <@blarajan> i'm making this max timid
  454. [21:22] <@blarajan> right?
  455. [21:22] <@iss> ofc
  456. [21:22] <@blarajan> to outrun as much as possible
  457. [21:22] <@iss> max speed then hp
  458. [21:22] <uxsee> max hp and timid
  459. [21:22] <@iss> then rest in some defensive stats i guess
  460. [21:22] <uxsee> and speed
  461. [21:22] <ebeast> if we're going HO might as well screw the bulk and get the most out of the screens
  462. [21:22] <@blarajan> is there an hp flying
  463. [21:22] <@iss> did anyone here play dpp lc
  464. [21:22] <@blarajan> that has 31 spe?
  465. [21:22] <@iss> no
  466. [21:22] <uxsee> no keep some bulk
  467. [21:22] <@blarajan> fuck you flying
  468. [21:22] <@blarajan> why not max special attack?
  469. [21:22] <@iss> run psychic
  470. [21:22] <@iss> lol
  471. [21:22] <@iss> because
  472. [21:22] <@blarajan> hp flying to smash scraggy and mienfoo and such
  473. [21:22] <uxsee> weak
  474. [21:22] <@iss> you don't want natu in
  475. [21:23] <@iss> b/c you're wasting screen turns
  476. [21:23] <uxsee> well actually base 70 spatk isnt horrible
  477. [21:23] <uxsee> but iss is right
  478. [21:23] <uxsee> u wanna u turn out asap
  479. [21:23] <uxsee> so max hp and max speed, timid
  480. [21:23] <@iss> yeah pretty much
  481. [21:24] <uxsee> with LS/R/U turn/ and what
  482. [21:24] <uxsee> hp flying?
  483. [21:24] <uxsee> roost?
  484. [21:24] <uxsee> wish?
  485. [21:24] * Aerrow (~chatzilla@synIRC-F060F08C.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #littlecup
  486. [21:24] <@iss> psychic imo but it really doesn't matter
  487. [21:24] * Cerberus sets mode: +qo Aerrow Aerrow
  488. [21:24] <Snowflakes> fuck the roost
  489. [21:24] <@iss> hi aerrow
  490. [21:24] <@blarajan> aerrow
  491. [21:24] <@blarajan> would you like to help us build offense
  492. [21:24] <@blarajan> or are you going to be a gay and log off in t- 3 minutes?
  493. [21:24] <@blarajan> all right i'm fine with psychic
  494. [21:25] <~Aerrow> hi iss
  495. [21:25] <@blarajan> i just preferred hp fly so murkrow can't keep up a sub against us
  496. [21:25] <@blarajan> is all
  497. [21:25] <uxsee> i liek hp flying more but whatevs
  498. [21:25] <@iss> okay blarajan
  499. [21:25] <@iss> w.e
  500. [21:25] <uxsee> or featherdance
  501. [21:25] <uxsee> that would be cool~
  502. [21:25] <@blarajan> reflect does the same thing
  503. [21:25] <@blarajan> doesn't it?
  504. [21:25] <@iss> lol
  505. [21:26] <~Aerrow> yea i logged on to talk with ray jay
  506. [21:26] <~Aerrow> he not on obv
  507. [21:26] <~Aerrow> he's*
  508. [21:26] <uxsee> starmie/natu/__/__/__/__
  509. [21:26] <@blarajan> staryu* but yeah
  510. [21:26] <@blarajan> now adding natu did some interesting things
  511. [21:26] <uxsee> im sorry
  512. [21:26] <uxsee> fail
  513. [21:27] <uxsee> weak to electric and chinchou
  514. [21:27] <uxsee> very weak to chinchou
  515. [21:27] <@iss> chinchou switch hmm
  516. [21:27] <@blarajan> yeah
  517. [21:27] <@blarajan> but keep in mind
  518. [21:27] <@blarajan> with screens
  519. [21:27] <@blarajan> we now have the option to run more frail sweepers
  520. [21:27] <@iss> we really need hazards now tbh
  521. [21:27] <@blarajan> or life orb > evioltie on things
  522. [21:27] <@blarajan> eviolite*
  523. [21:27] <uxsee> ok
  524. [21:28] <@blarajan> which helps a lot--thanks friar
  525. [21:28] <@blarajan> hazards are a big deal
  526. [21:28] <uxsee> diglett cuz strong
  527. [21:28] <@blarajan> we might consider
  528. [21:28] <@blarajan> stealth rock shell smash dwebble
  529. [21:28] <uxsee> :D
  530. [21:28] <@blarajan> or diglett
  531. [21:28] <uxsee> diglett for chinchou :D
  532. [21:28] <@blarajan> diglett is indeed a cool dude
  533. [21:28] <@blarajan> something like
  534. [21:28] <@blarajan> sr memento earthquake rock slide?
  535. [21:29] <uxsee> yep and now we ca runa bunch of set up sweepers
  536. [21:29] <uxsee> with sash
  537. [21:29] <@iss> this is a good idea
  538. [21:29] <ebeast> ya on the Champion Diglett set
  539. [21:29] <uxsee> ok
  540. [21:30] <@blarajan> hm
  541. [21:30] <uxsee> scraggy!
  542. [21:30] <uxsee> i love me some scraggy
  543. [21:30] * %Raseri (Tali@Normandy.SR1) Quit (Quit: )
  544. [21:30] <@blarajan> wait before we move on
  545. [21:30] <@blarajan> i want us to think about diglett more
  546. [21:30] <@blarajan> or consider other options (though i do like diglett)
  547. [21:31] <uxsee> okay
  548. [21:31] * @prem (prem@one.piece.is.the.best) Quit (Ping timeout)
  549. [21:31] <@blarajan> we have to think
  550. [21:31] <@blarajan> one) is sash the right option? or do we want to hit harder with life orb?
  551. [21:31] * uxsee thinks
  552. [21:31] <@iss> sash is good
  553. [21:31] <@blarajan> two) what two attacking moves? eq / rock slide or eq / sucker punch?
  554. [21:31] <@blarajan> three) is memento the right idea?
  555. [21:31] <@iss> eq sucker punch
  556. [21:32] <uxsee> yes
  557. [21:32] <@iss> memento is definitely the best choice
  558. [21:32] <ebeast> SR / Memento / EQ / Sucker Punch
  559. [21:32] <ebeast> imo
  560. [21:32] * iss is now known as iss|afk
  561. [21:32] <@iss|afk> i agree with ebeast
  562. [21:32] <uxsee> agreed
  563. [21:32] <@blarajan> we do have to consider
  564. [21:32] <@blarajan> and this is important
  565. [21:32] <@blarajan> by doing so, and by the addition of scraggy possibly
  566. [21:32] <@blarajan> we will be aggravating an almost impossible to contain murkrow weakness
  567. [21:32] <uxsee> okay
  568. [21:32] <@blarajan> offense has a ton of problems with krow
  569. [21:32] <@blarajan> especially life orb krow
  570. [21:32] <uxsee> then no scraggy
  571. [21:32] <@iss|afk> that's fine
  572. [21:32] <@blarajan> since it's insanely hard to switch in
  573. [21:32] <ebeast> maybe a tirtouga would work?
  574. [21:33] <uxsee> thats what i was thinking
  575. [21:33] <@iss|afk> hp grass
  576. [21:33] <@blarajan> hp grass isn't too common
  577. [21:33] <@blarajan> but even still
  578. [21:33] <@blarajan> easier to work around
  579. [21:33] <ebeast> how much would it take with Light Screen
  580. [21:33] <@blarajan> especially if sturdy is still there
  581. [21:33] <@blarajan> which is possible
  582. [21:33] <@blarajan> with natu
  583. [21:33] <uxsee> or dwebble over champion diglett D:
  584. [21:34] <uxsee> hmm
  585. [21:35] <uxsee> starmie/diglett/natu/murk counter/____/_____
  586. [21:35] <@iss|afk> murkrow has no counters
  587. [21:35] <@iss|afk> only checks
  588. [21:36] <uxsee> ok
  589. [21:36] <uxsee> 4got
  590. [21:36] <@blarajan> lol
  591. [21:36] <@iss|afk> seriously mixkrow can 2hko everything
  592. [21:36] <@blarajan> why sucker punch as opposed to rock slide?
  593. [21:36] <@iss|afk> if you predict right
  594. [21:36] <@blarajan> the one thing i want is to prevent krow from getting a sub on us
  595. [21:36] <@blarajan> cause that's devastating
  596. [21:36] <@blarajan> and we can just memento misdreavus
  597. [21:36] <@blarajan> and set something up on it
  598. [21:37] <uxsee> http://memegenerator.net/instance/26166804
  599. [21:37] <uxsee> :D
  600. [21:38] <uxsee> btw missy has levitate
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  602. [21:38] * Cerberus sets mode: +ao macle macle
  603. [21:38] <uxsee> so how does that work
  604. [21:38] <@blarajan> hm?
  605. [21:38] <@blarajan> what do you mean?
  606. [21:39] <uxsee> arena trp doesnt workwith levitate
  607. [21:39] <@blarajan> ya missy doesn't get trapped
  608. [21:39] <uxsee> wait what
  609. [21:39] <uxsee> confused
  610. [21:39] <uxsee> 18:36 blarajan and we can just memento misdreavus
  611. [21:40] <@blarajan> i mean
  612. [21:40] <@blarajan> i don't think sucker punch is too important right now
  613. [21:40] <@blarajan> since instead of trying to play games with missy if it's in
  614. [21:40] <uxsee> memento into missy?
  615. [21:40] <@blarajan> we can just memento and set something up
  616. [21:40] <uxsee> oh okay
  617. [21:40] <@blarajan> is what i'm thinking
  618. [21:41] <uxsee> moving on, what next
  619. [21:41] <@blarajan> nah i mean that's an important decision too
  620. [21:41] <@blarajan> see since offense is so initiative based
  621. [21:41] <@blarajan> especially in lc since the tier is so bulky
  622. [21:41] <@blarajan> we really need to think these things through
  623. [21:41] <uxsee> well hmm
  624. [21:41] <@blarajan> what move do we want in particular? what threats would we rather respond to in a specific way?
  625. [21:41] <uxsee> missy has "counters" correct
  626. [21:42] <viamage> sorry, someone was insistant on a match, what i miss?
  627. [21:42] <@blarajan> um yeah the most common missy right now is just a bulky one with sball hp fight wow and psplit
  628. [21:42] <@blarajan> some are scarf
  629. [21:42] <@blarajan> some nplot
  630. [21:42] <@blarajan> but you can handle each one
  631. [21:42] <@blarajan> fairly easily
  632. [21:42] <uxsee> okay then rock slide
  633. [21:42] <@blarajan> we were debating what exactly to do with diglett, viamage?
  634. [21:42] <@blarajan> is anyone else here following the team building?
  635. [21:42] <viamage> then use memento best setup support i know
  636. [21:43] <viamage> *setup sweeper support
  637. [21:44] <@blarajan> yeah
  638. [21:44] <uxsee> ok so what setuppers
  639. [21:44] <@blarajan> i'm thinking rock slide personally but this is why we're all building it
  640. [21:45] <viamage> well other then missy, bronzor and krow what else would it hit with that?
  641. [21:45] <viamage> larvesta?
  642. [21:45] <@blarajan> i mean yeah
  643. [21:45] <@blarajan> the only reason i'm suggesting rock slide
  644. [21:45] <@blarajan> is so krow never can sub on us
  645. [21:45] <@blarajan> that's actually a really big problem
  646. [21:45] <@blarajan> since you know
  647. [21:45] <@blarajan> krow is fucking terror for offense
  648. [21:46] <uxsee> well ofc
  649. [21:46] <viamage> hmm, makes sense might as well be diglett i guess
  650. [21:46] <uxsee> thats why ppl use it
  651. [21:46] <@blarajan> i'm going to tentatively put rock slide now
  652. [21:46] <@blarajan> is that okay?
  653. [21:46] <uxsee> yes~
  654. [21:46] <viamage> so moving my vote to blara's rockslide
  655. [21:46] <@blarajan> is anyone else participating?
  656. [21:47] <uxsee> guess not
  657. [21:47] <viamage> lol
  658. [21:47] <@blarajan> oh well it's fine
  659. [21:47] <uxsee> iss was but afk
  660. [21:47] <@blarajan> that's fine!
  661. [21:47] <uxsee> okay!
  662. [21:47] <@blarajan> now we're at the fun part
  663. [21:47] * ~Aerrow (~chatzilla@synIRC-F060F08C.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833])
  664. [21:47] <@blarajan> we have so much opportunity to set up
  665. [21:48] <@blarajan> what with screens
  666. [21:48] <@blarajan> and memento diglett
  667. [21:48] <@blarajan> what were our issues before?
  668. [21:48] <viamage> so staryu/memento/natu or abra?
  669. [21:48] <@blarajan> ferroseed / rest talk chinchou / murkrow / misdreavus / drilbur / elekid / diglett / staryu / houndour / scarfers
  670. [21:48] <uxsee> yep
  671. [21:48] <@blarajan> natu > abra for u-turn and preventing hazards
  672. [21:48] <@blarajan> we handle ferroseed handily
  673. [21:48] <viamage> and ele
  674. [21:49] <@blarajan> ya
  675. [21:49] <@blarajan> natu + diglett beats chinchou
  676. [21:49] <@blarajan> most likely
  677. [21:49] <@blarajan> or just diglett
  678. [21:49] <viamage> and houndour
  679. [21:49] <@blarajan> well
  680. [21:49] <@blarajan> we need sash in tact for that
  681. [21:49] <uxsee> thas why i picked it
  682. [21:49] <@blarajan> we do a good job cock blocking hazards
  683. [21:49] <@blarajan> with natu and diglett
  684. [21:49] <@blarajan> but the one issue is dwebble
  685. [21:49] <uxsee> yes and they are a common in lc
  686. [21:50] <@blarajan> dwebble can hazard up on natu
  687. [21:50] <uxsee> diglett?
  688. [21:50] <uxsee> can ohko
  689. [21:50] <@blarajan> i mean
  690. [21:50] <uxsee> cnat*
  691. [21:50] <@blarajan> what we would probably do
  692. [21:50] <uxsee> cant*
  693. [21:50] <@blarajan> is u-turn from natu
  694. [21:50] <@blarajan> to diglett
  695. [21:50] <@blarajan> or reflect first
  696. [21:50] <@blarajan> then u-turn
  697. [21:50] <@blarajan> or something
  698. [21:50] <@blarajan> i guess
  699. [21:50] <viamage> looks like i have to quit "family time" :/ cya in 30
  700. [21:51] <@blarajan> lol
  701. [21:51] <@blarajan> looks like me and uxsee are building a team then?
  702. [21:51] <uxsee> pick something that can set up on dwebble
  703. [21:51] <ebeast> U-turn from Natu to get a bit above Oran range then kill with Staryu/Diglett?
  704. [21:51] <@blarajan> yeah
  705. [21:51] <@blarajan> something like that most likely
  706. [21:51] <@blarajan> probably diglett
  707. [21:51] <ebeast> ya
  708. [21:52] <uxsee> well who for set uppers
  709. [21:52] <@blarajan> 0 Atk Natu (-Atk) U-turn vs 36 HP/0 Def Eviolite Dwebble: 13.64% - 18.18% (6-8 hits to KO)
  710. [21:52] <uxsee> MAX ATTACK LEGGO
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  712. [21:52] <@blarajan> 252 Atk Diglett (-Atk) Rock Slide vs 36 HP/0 Def Eviolite Dwebble: 36.36% - 45.45% (3 hits to KO)
  713. [21:52] <@blarajan> nvm
  714. [21:52] <@blarajan> we're going to staryu
  715. [21:52] <ebeast> -Atk
  716. [21:52] <ebeast> ?
  717. [21:52] <@blarajan> ^_^
  718. [21:52] <@blarajan> yeah
  719. [21:52] <@blarajan> timid
  720. [21:52] <@blarajan> it's u-turn
  721. [21:52] <@blarajan> i don't care
  722. [21:52] <@blarajan> oh
  723. [21:52] <@blarajan> oops
  724. [21:52] <@blarajan> on diglett
  725. [21:52] <@blarajan> right
  726. [21:52] <uxsee> how bout make it physical lol
  727. [21:52] <@blarajan> sorry
  728. [21:52] <@blarajan> 252 Atk Diglett Rock Slide vs 36 HP/0 Def Eviolite Dwebble: 45.45% - 54.55% (2-3 hits to KO)
  729. [21:52] <@blarajan> calc trolled me
  730. [21:53] <ebeast> lol
  731. [21:53] <uxsee> and why not eq
  732. [21:53] <@blarajan> cause uh
  733. [21:53] <@blarajan> cause i'm not smart =P
  734. [21:53] <ebeast> flinch
  735. [21:53] <ebeast> !
  736. [21:53] <@blarajan> and cause rock slide can flinch
  737. [21:53] <uxsee> lol
  738. [21:53] <@blarajan> but yeah
  739. [21:53] <@blarajan> so you mentioned tirtouga before?
  740. [21:53] <@blarajan> do you get why that might be
  741. [21:53] <@blarajan> a really cool idea?
  742. [21:53] <@blarajan> for right now?
  743. [21:53] <uxsee> who r u asking
  744. [21:53] <ebeast> yeah, I think it could work
  745. [21:53] <@blarajan> anyone itc
  746. [21:53] <@blarajan> we have a ton of options now
  747. [21:53] <uxsee> ok then yeah
  748. [21:54] <@blarajan> since we can set up
  749. [21:54] <@blarajan> a lot
  750. [21:54] <ebeast> we need a check to Krow
  751. [21:54] <@blarajan> with screens and memento
  752. [21:54] <@blarajan> the problem is krow
  753. [21:54] <ebeast> so Tirtouga can do that
  754. [21:54] <@blarajan> is a big penis face
  755. [21:54] <@blarajan> which is why tirtouga is a fantastic recommendation
  756. [21:54] * McMeghan (I.got@sunshine.in.a.bag) Quit (Quit: I cannot be lose.)
  757. [21:54] <@blarajan> furthermore aqua jet can get around scarfers and drilbur
  758. [21:54] <ebeast> ya
  759. [21:54] <ebeast> Tirtouga is awesome :)
  760. [21:54] <uxsee> mmkay :D
  761. [21:54] <@blarajan> while ohkoing things like scraggy and shit
  762. [21:54] <@blarajan> PLUS
  763. [21:54] <@blarajan> with natu
  764. [21:54] <@blarajan> we can maintain sturdy
  765. [21:55] <uxsee> tl;dr tirt is pro
  766. [21:55] <uxsee> okay so
  767. [21:55] <@blarajan> now we have
  768. [21:55] <@blarajan> 1) dual screens natu
  769. [21:55] <@blarajan> 2) lo staryu
  770. [21:56] <ebeast> Staryu/Natu/Diglett/Tirtouga
  771. [21:56] <uxsee> starmie/natu/tirtoga/diglett/___/____
  772. [21:56] <@blarajan> 3) sr sash memento diglet
  773. [21:56] <@blarajan> 4) tirtouga
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  775. [21:56] <@blarajan> and we have some pretty cool offense going on right now too
  776. [21:56] <@blarajan> which gives us pretty good set up for most of the meta
  777. [21:56] <@blarajan> from what i can tell
  778. [21:56] <@blarajan> we do have issues with
  779. [21:56] <@blarajan> handling drilbur
  780. [21:56] <@blarajan> right away
  781. [21:56] <@blarajan> and we have issues like
  782. [21:56] <@blarajan> switching into scraggy
  783. [21:56] <@blarajan> though tbh
  784. [21:57] <uxsee> okay
  785. [21:57] <@blarajan> everything that's in can hurt scraggy enough
  786. [21:57] <@blarajan> to make it not a big deal
  787. [21:57] * Darren is now known as d4rr3n_
  788. [21:57] <uxsee> so what can do that, exactly
  789. [21:57] <@blarajan> cause then diglett does enough to kill
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  791. [21:57] <@blarajan> let's consider our current problem areas
  792. [21:57] <@blarajan> lo hp grass murkrow
  793. [21:57] <@blarajan> is a big fat penis head
  794. [21:57] <@blarajan> but it trolls itself
  795. [21:57] <@blarajan> and tirtouga can ajet it
  796. [21:57] <uxsee> ofc
  797. [21:57] <@blarajan> mienfoo can be annoying
  798. [21:58] <ebeast> and Drilbur before Tirtouga smash too
  799. [21:58] <@iss|afk> how much does ajet do at +0
  800. [21:58] <@blarajan> if it keeps u-turning out of natu
  801. [21:58] <@blarajan> uhh to murkrow
  802. [21:58] * D4RR3N (D4RR3N@Open.Condom.Style) Quit (Ping timeout)
  803. [21:58] <@blarajan> not much like 40$
  804. [21:58] <@blarajan> 40%
  805. [21:58] <@blarajan> if lo
  806. [21:58] <@blarajan> something like that
  807. [21:58] <@iss|afk> ok
  808. [21:58] <@blarajan> 252 Atk Splash Plate Tirtouga (+Atk) Aqua Jet vs 0 HP/0 Def Murkrow: 40.91% - 54.55% (2-3 hits to KO)
  809. [21:58] <@blarajan> 2hko after sr
  810. [21:58] <uxsee> q/o smash
  811. [21:59] <uxsee> w/o*
  812. [21:59] <@blarajan> w/o
  813. [21:59] <@blarajan> ya
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  816. [21:59] <@blarajan> we might want to consider
  817. [21:59] <@blarajan> either more set up
  818. [22:00] <@blarajan> more u-turn and shit
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  820. [22:00] <@blarajan> or more strong
  821. [22:00] <uxsee> we have half of out team weak to grass
  822. [22:00] <@blarajan> i'm thinking we have the potential
  823. [22:00] <@blarajan> so a lot more set up could be cool
  824. [22:00] <@blarajan> true
  825. [22:00] <@blarajan> but the most common users of grass type attacks
  826. [22:00] <@blarajan> are shroomish
  827. [22:00] <@blarajan> lileep
  828. [22:00] <@blarajan> and foongus
  829. [22:00] <@blarajan> who natu rapes except for ancientpower lileep
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  831. [22:00] * Cerberus sets mode: +o Charmander
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  833. [22:00] <uxsee> we need hp flying then
  834. [22:00] <@blarajan> o
  835. [22:00] <@blarajan> i have hp flying
  836. [22:00] <@blarajan> i hate murkrow remember
  837. [22:00] <uxsee> ok
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  839. [22:00] <uxsee> making sure
  840. [22:00] <@blarajan> for the record, charmander
  841. [22:00] <@blarajan> the team is
  842. [22:00] <@Charmander> are you doing a session
  843. [22:01] <uxsee> im wondering
  844. [22:01] <@blarajan> life orb staryu / sash sr memento diglett / dual screens natu / smash tirtouga
  845. [22:01] <uxsee> does max attaxk natu u turn break murkrow's sub
  846. [22:01] <@Charmander> sounds spicy
  847. [22:01] <@blarajan> uh
  848. [22:01] <@blarajan> max attack???
  849. [22:01] <uxsee> lol
  850. [22:01] <@blarajan> i.
  851. [22:01] <@blarajan> guess?
  852. [22:01] <@Charmander> i came here looking for a user but it looks like they arent online
  853. [22:01] <@blarajan> probably?
  854. [22:01] <@blarajan> but i'm not doing that?
  855. [22:01] <@blarajan> =P
  856. [22:01] <uxsee> it'd be pro
  857. [22:01] <@Charmander> dont use max attack
  858. [22:01] <@blarajan> okay the reasons that's a bad idea is
  859. [22:01] <@Charmander> krow will kill you
  860. [22:01] <@blarajan> it detracts from bulk
  861. [22:01] <@blarajan> by a lot
  862. [22:01] <@Charmander> never stay in on krow
  863. [22:01] <@blarajan> and cause we'd be risking sucker punch
  864. [22:02] <@blarajan> the only reason we would stay in on krow
  865. [22:02] <@blarajan> is if by letting it get a sub up
  866. [22:02] <@blarajan> we lose the game
  867. [22:02] <@blarajan> so we do all we can to prevent that sub
  868. [22:02] <@Charmander> anyway im out now
  869. [22:02] <@blarajan> by spamming hp flying
  870. [22:02] <uxsee> okay~
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  872. [22:02] <@blarajan> otherwise we just go to tirtouga or preferably in the next poke
  873. [22:02] <@blarajan> something else that can deal with it
  874. [22:02] <@blarajan> or set up
  875. [22:03] <@blarajan> as rare as it is
  876. [22:03] <@blarajan> we do have elekid problems if diglett's sash isn't there
  877. [22:03] <@blarajan> elekid, fuck drilbur, fuck krow, fuck u-turn mienfoo, scraggy kind of bitch but not really
  878. [22:03] <@blarajan> is where i'm looking right now
  879. [22:04] <@blarajan> and we have issues with opposing staryu
  880. [22:04] <@blarajan> i don't know i'm kind of liking like
  881. [22:04] <@blarajan> some sort of boosting misdreavus
  882. [22:04] <ebeast> NP / DBond / Shadow Ball / HP Fighting?
  883. [22:04] <uxsee> np missy, but that adds a weakness to scraggy
  884. [22:04] <@blarajan> 252 +2 SpAtk Misdreavus Hidden Power Fighting vs 0 HP/36 SpDef Eviolite Scraggy: 85.71% - 104.76% (6.25% chance to OHKO)
  885. [22:05] <@blarajan> au contraire
  886. [22:05] <uxsee> arent most dd
  887. [22:05] <uxsee> so outspeed
  888. [22:05] <@blarajan> ya but
  889. [22:05] <@blarajan> where does it set up here?
  890. [22:05] <ebeast> this is after you NP and Scraggy switches in to check
  891. [22:05] <uxsee> oh okay
  892. [22:05] <@blarajan> i like eviolite nasty plot misdreavus
  893. [22:05] <@blarajan> because one
  894. [22:05] <uxsee> i dont usually do hyper offense so this is new to me
  895. [22:05] <@blarajan> under screens or memento
  896. [22:05] <@blarajan> it's a fucking bamf
  897. [22:05] <@blarajan> and bulky as shit
  898. [22:06] <@blarajan> two it's strong
  899. [22:06] <@blarajan> three destiny bond lets us do cool things
  900. [22:06] <@blarajan> and four it checks misdreavus and lets us switch into staryu kind of
  901. [22:06] <@blarajan> checks mienfoo*
  902. [22:06] <ebeast> yeah DBond NP is my favorite set
  903. [22:07] <@blarajan> and it switches into eq
  904. [22:07] <%Danilo> taunt np is good
  905. [22:07] <@blarajan> either one
  906. [22:07] <@blarajan> nasty plot something
  907. [22:07] <@blarajan> we have to consider that with an offensive team
  908. [22:07] <uxsee> i liek dbond better
  909. [22:07] <@blarajan> we're working off initiative
  910. [22:07] * soviet is now known as Taxi_Dave
  911. [22:07] <@blarajan> so making free switches or shit like that
  912. [22:07] <@blarajan> is rather important
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  914. [22:07] <@blarajan> and missy has the bulk speed power and typing
  915. [22:07] <@blarajan> to come in on enough of the meta to set up
  916. [22:08] <uxsee> plus spinblocks our sr
  917. [22:08] <@blarajan> yeah
  918. [22:08] <@blarajan> sir
  919. [22:08] <@blarajan> why taunt np? (not me saying my idea is better, jw?)
  920. [22:08] * PoJ (Mibbit@50F2C7AE.CBDFB7DA.2EA3D806.IP) Quit (Quit: bbl)
  921. [22:08] <uxsee> (idk)
  922. [22:08] * viamage (~cgiirc@synIRC-67EAAEB1.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout))
  923. [22:08] <@blarajan> danilo, if sir isn't a highlight anymore
  924. [22:09] <uxsee> i say dbond
  925. [22:09] <@blarajan> i kind of agree with ebeast in dbond since
  926. [22:09] <@blarajan> that forces murkrow
  927. [22:09] <@blarajan> to not use sucker punch
  928. [22:09] <@blarajan> that's the only reason
  929. [22:09] <%Danilo> i like taunt np
  930. [22:09] <%Danilo> for specific situations
  931. [22:09] <uxsee> starmie/natu/tirtoga/diglett/missy/____
  932. [22:09] <%Danilo> like thunder wave porygon
  933. [22:09] <%Danilo> leech seed ferroseed
  934. [22:09] <@blarajan> such as? once again, this is just informative
  935. [22:09] <@blarajan> o
  936. [22:09] <%Danilo> things of that nature
  937. [22:09] <@blarajan> the bulky pokes you'd set up on
  938. [22:09] <@blarajan> like lileep
  939. [22:09] <@blarajan> who want to status you?
  940. [22:09] <%Danilo> yep
  941. [22:09] <uxsee> cm mienfoo for the last mon :D
  942. [22:09] <@blarajan> that is a valid concern
  943. [22:09] <%Danilo> after lots of searching
  944. [22:10] <%Danilo> ive found that taunt is the best
  945. [22:10] <@blarajan> since misdreavus is one of your better lileep switch ins
  946. [22:10] <uxsee> dats truew
  947. [22:10] <%Danilo> and vs bronzor
  948. [22:10] <%Danilo> but who uses that srsly
  949. [22:10] <uxsee> we could try sub to block those
  950. [22:10] <%Danilo> i mean d bond and wow have their own merits
  951. [22:10] <%Danilo> ive just found taunt to be superior
  952. [22:10] <@blarajan> sub kind of takes the best of both worlds
  953. [22:10] <@blarajan> tbh
  954. [22:10] <%Danilo> it's also very uncmmon
  955. [22:11] <%Danilo> sub is cool
  956. [22:11] <@blarajan> sub messes with murkrow
  957. [22:11] <@blarajan> and blocks status
  958. [22:11] <@blarajan> so we get both sorts of things
  959. [22:11] <%Danilo> i keep keeping hp
  960. [22:11] <@blarajan> that was a really good suggestion, uxsee
  961. [22:11] <%Danilo> but sub is more devastating
  962. [22:11] <@blarajan> plus
  963. [22:11] <@blarajan> we have screens
  964. [22:11] <@blarajan> and memento support
  965. [22:11] <%Danilo> oh
  966. [22:11] <%Danilo> that seems fine then
  967. [22:11] <@blarajan> good idea uxsee
  968. [22:12] <uxsee> yay :D
  969. [22:12] <@blarajan> !
  970. [22:12] <@blarajan> we all okay with
  971. [22:12] <@blarajan> substitute / plot / shadow ball / hp fight misdreavus?
  972. [22:12] <uxsee> eviolite
  973. [22:12] * D4RR3N (D4RR3N@Open.Condom.Style) Quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ))
  974. [22:12] <uxsee> and max offenses
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  976. [22:13] <@blarajan> ya
  977. [22:13] <viamage> i'm back
  978. [22:13] <@blarajan> kk cool
  979. [22:13] <@blarajan> we decided for the last
  980. [22:13] <@blarajan> erm
  981. [22:13] <@blarajan> for the fifth
  982. [22:13] <@blarajan> sub plot misdreavus @ eviolite
  983. [22:14] <viamage> alright
  984. [22:14] <@blarajan> so this is looking really solid
  985. [22:14] <viamage> agreed
  986. [22:14] <&macle> im black
  987. [22:14] <uxsee> still elekid weak
  988. [22:14] <ebeast> sure
  989. [22:14] <@blarajan> yk i'm p okay with being elekid weak
  990. [22:14] <@blarajan> and i guess like
  991. [22:15] <ebeast> LO Staryu / SR Memento Diglett / Screens Natu / Smash Tirtouga / SubNP Missy
  992. [22:15] <@blarajan> we do have diglett and tirtouga (ajet)
  993. [22:15] * @iss|afk (iss@n.n) Quit (Quit: night all)
  994. [22:15] <@blarajan> it's not a travesty
  995. [22:15] <Friar> kinda snover weak
  996. [22:15] * Double01 (Double01@synIRC-C56DEF36.wi.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: )
  997. [22:15] <@blarajan> yeah just a bit
  998. [22:15] <@blarajan> snover was one of the current problem mons
  999. [22:15] <Borogoves> drilbur can also be a problem
  1000. [22:15] <@blarajan> though we DO force it to guess
  1001. [22:15] <Borogoves> if it has shadow claw
  1002. [22:15] <@blarajan> drilbur isn't as concerning as snover
  1003. [22:15] <viamage> what are the current problem mons?
  1004. [22:15] <@blarajan> especially under screens
  1005. [22:15] <@blarajan> and we do have tirtouga
  1006. [22:16] <@blarajan> right now snover is a problem
  1007. [22:16] * &alan (~alan@synIRC-B314224B.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
  1008. [22:16] <uxsee> okay is there any combo mon that beats snover and elekid
  1009. [22:16] <@blarajan> dat blizzard
  1010. [22:16] <@blarajan> uh
  1011. [22:16] <uxsee> im just tryin to think
  1012. [22:16] <@blarajan> i mean like elekid isn't a huge deal either
  1013. [22:16] <@blarajan> i guess lik
  1014. [22:16] <@blarajan> e
  1015. [22:16] <@blarajan> agility chinchou
  1016. [22:16] <@blarajan> fits that criteria
  1017. [22:16] <uxsee> larvesta owns snover
  1018. [22:16] <@blarajan> we really have to play
  1019. [22:16] <uxsee> but not elekid
  1020. [22:16] <@blarajan> perfectly well
  1021. [22:17] <@blarajan> to keep rocks off
  1022. [22:17] <@blarajan> if we have larvesta
  1023. [22:17] <uxsee> true
  1024. [22:17] <@blarajan> sturdy tirtouga
  1025. [22:17] <Friar> sun ponyta would add bulk and weather control
  1026. [22:17] <@blarajan> and sash diglett
  1027. [22:17] <@blarajan> all on one team
  1028. [22:17] <ebeast> and Snover can carry HP Rock
  1029. [22:17] <@blarajan> hm
  1030. [22:17] <@blarajan> that's an interesting idea friar
  1031. [22:17] <Friar> or maybe too water weak then
  1032. [22:17] <@blarajan> that still gives us staryu problems
  1033. [22:17] <uxsee> weakens starmie, the focus of the team
  1034. [22:17] <uxsee> dammit nin ja
  1035. [22:17] <@blarajan> and hurts our staryu
  1036. [22:17] <@blarajan> we have our wall breaking staryu here
  1037. [22:17] <@blarajan> so is there anything that like
  1038. [22:17] <@blarajan> it smashes
  1039. [22:18] <@blarajan> right now
  1040. [22:18] <@blarajan> that would let something set up?
  1041. [22:18] <uxsee> umm
  1042. [22:18] <@blarajan> let's consider what staryu breaks
  1043. [22:18] <@blarajan> staryu breaks appart
  1044. [22:18] <@blarajan> croagunk
  1045. [22:18] <@blarajan> hurts lileep
  1046. [22:18] <@blarajan> smashes fires
  1047. [22:18] <@blarajan> dratini
  1048. [22:18] <uxsee> axew
  1049. [22:19] <@blarajan> hurts waters
  1050. [22:19] <ebeast> yeah I was about to that that Tirtouga appreciates Staryu breaking Croagunk
  1051. [22:19] <@blarajan> etc
  1052. [22:19] <@blarajan> yeah that was a cool part about tirt
  1053. [22:19] <@blarajan> staryu lures gunk
  1054. [22:19] <@blarajan> and really hurts lileep
  1055. [22:19] <@blarajan> with lo ice beam
  1056. [22:19] <@blarajan> which is very unexpected
  1057. [22:19] <@blarajan> maybe we can consider this?
  1058. [22:19] <@blarajan> we put a lot
  1059. [22:19] <viamage> hmm
  1060. [22:19] <@blarajan> and i mean A LOT
  1061. [22:19] <@blarajan> of pressure on lileep
  1062. [22:19] <@blarajan> with this team
  1063. [22:19] <@blarajan> life orb staryu
  1064. [22:19] <@blarajan> shell smash tirtouga
  1065. [22:19] <@blarajan> nasty plot misdreavus
  1066. [22:19] <@blarajan> natu
  1067. [22:19] <@blarajan> we even have diglett
  1068. [22:19] <@blarajan> we are a lean mean fuck lileep machine
  1069. [22:20] <viamage> that's five pokes that shut down lileep :P
  1070. [22:20] <@blarajan> not really shut down
  1071. [22:20] * %askaninjask (ninjask@y.slash.n) Quit (Quit: i'm no simpleton)
  1072. [22:20] <uxsee> we could try scarf mienfoo
  1073. [22:20] <@blarajan> in the case of staryu and tirtouga
  1074. [22:20] <@blarajan> but shit that hurts
  1075. [22:20] <uxsee> since croagunk
  1076. [22:20] <viamage> should we have a cleric?
  1077. [22:20] <@blarajan> yes that's definitely on track with what i was looking at
  1078. [22:20] <uxsee> and it gains momentum
  1079. [22:20] <@blarajan> well viamage
  1080. [22:20] <uxsee> with u turn
  1081. [22:20] <@blarajan> if we have a turn to heal
  1082. [22:20] <@blarajan> heal bell*
  1083. [22:20] <@blarajan> wouldn't we rather smash something?
  1084. [22:20] <uxsee> and shits on snover and non scarfed elekid
  1085. [22:21] <uxsee> and it NEVER dies
  1086. [22:21] <@blarajan> well it doesn't really shit on snover
  1087. [22:21] <uxsee> well it outspeeds an go
  1088. [22:21] <@blarajan> cause blizzard will ohko
  1089. [22:21] <viamage> i guess, but we're really running a team of glass cannons now
  1090. [22:21] <uxsee> koes*
  1091. [22:21] <uxsee> or bulky
  1092. [22:21] <@blarajan> that's kind of the point though viamage
  1093. [22:21] <uxsee> so it can take a hit
  1094. [22:21] <viamage> lol, you're so right
  1095. [22:21] <uxsee> but that doesnt work on this team
  1096. [22:21] <@blarajan> we have to consider the most common sets
  1097. [22:21] <uxsee> he adds to murk weakness too
  1098. [22:21] <@blarajan> and spreads
  1099. [22:21] <@blarajan> and try to break through
  1100. [22:22] <@blarajan> i was kind of liking
  1101. [22:22] <@blarajan> agility chinchou
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  1103. [22:22] * Cerberus sets mode: +ao SevenDeadlySins SevenDeadlySins
  1104. [22:22] <@blarajan> kind of
  1105. [22:22] <@blarajan> or at least playing with the idea in my head
  1106. [22:22] <@blarajan> since it outruns drilbur after an agility
  1107. [22:22] <@blarajan> and since we put so much pressure on lileep
  1108. [22:22] <@blarajan> it could be a cool cleaner
  1109. [22:22] <@blarajan> but i'm sure there are better ideas out there
  1110. [22:22] <Friar> wouldnt rain help us more than agility
  1111. [22:22] <@blarajan> oh
  1112. [22:22] <@blarajan> fantastic
  1113. [22:22] <@blarajan> FANTASTIC
  1114. [22:22] <uxsee> rain murkrow!
  1115. [22:22] <@blarajan> idea
  1116. [22:22] <viamage> scarf porygon!
  1117. [22:23] <uxsee> :D
  1118. [22:23] <@blarajan> some sort of swift swimmer
  1119. [22:23] <@blarajan> could be really cool
  1120. [22:23] <@blarajan> to both clean up
  1121. [22:23] <uxsee> lets think
  1122. [22:23] <@blarajan> and boost tirtouga
  1123. [22:23] <@blarajan> or staryu
  1124. [22:23] <@blarajan> and to keep sash / sturdy in tact
  1125. [22:23] <@blarajan> by removing hail
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  1127. [22:23] <uxsee> okay so
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  1129. [22:23] <uxsee> buizel
  1130. [22:24] <uxsee> horsea
  1131. [22:24] <uxsee> tympole
  1132. [22:24] <uxsee> finneon
  1133. [22:24] <ebeast> Mantyke
  1134. [22:24] <@blarajan> horsea or mantyke
  1135. [22:24] <@blarajan> imo
  1136. [22:24] <uxsee> MAGIKARP
  1137. [22:24] <uxsee> :D
  1138. [22:24] <@blarajan> .
  1139. [22:24] <uxsee> lotad
  1140. [22:24] <viamage> rofl, totally magi!
  1141. [22:24] <ebeast> Horsea I think, we are kind of weak to Rock as it is
  1142. [22:24] <@blarajan> omanyte clashes too much with tirtouga too
  1143. [22:24] <@blarajan> they're like the same pokemon
  1144. [22:24] <@blarajan> at that point
  1145. [22:25] <uxsee> actually i was leaning more towards mantyke
  1146. [22:25] <@blarajan> oh?
  1147. [22:25] <@blarajan> why?
  1148. [22:25] <@blarajan> (not a jab, just a question)
  1149. [22:25] <ebeast> though Mantyke can be a buffer towards Snover
  1150. [22:25] <viamage> well does lotad have any merits other than additional sr resisting?
  1151. [22:25] <uxsee> well its not weak to any of snovers mvoes
  1152. [22:25] * harsha (harsha@watch.it.burn.and.burn.and.burn) Quit (Quit: harsha)
  1153. [22:25] <uxsee> umm grass typing
  1154. [22:26] <@blarajan> lotad?
  1155. [22:26] <@blarajan> lotad is weak as balls
  1156. [22:26] <uxsee> it sux though
  1157. [22:26] <@blarajan> do not want
  1158. [22:26] <viamage> ok just checking :P
  1159. [22:26] <ebeast> pstats, horsea
  1160. [22:26] <+pstats> Horsea [Water] Swift Swim/Sniper/Damp (DW) | 30/40/70/70/25/60 | LC | GK/LK: 20 BP
  1161. [22:26] <@blarajan> one relatively decent poke
  1162. [22:26] <@blarajan> could be lol
  1163. [22:26] * Borogoves (~cgiirc@synIRC-905A5AFD.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF))
  1164. [22:26] <ebeast> pstats, mantyke
  1165. [22:26] <@blarajan> surskit
  1166. [22:26] <+pstats> Mantyke [Water/Flying] Swift Swim/Water Absorb/Water Veil (DW) | 45/20/50/60/120/50 | LC | GK/LK: 80 BP
  1167. [22:26] <@blarajan> cause STAB signal beam
  1168. [22:26] <@blarajan> lol
  1169. [22:26] <uxsee> oooh
  1170. [22:26] <viamage> nice physical bulk
  1171. [22:27] <uxsee> XD
  1172. [22:27] <viamage> takes 1 stray thundershock and we're screwd though :P
  1173. [22:27] <@blarajan> lol
  1174. [22:27] <uxsee> lol
  1175. [22:27] <@blarajan> do we like this idea?
  1176. [22:27] <@blarajan> a swift swimmer?
  1177. [22:27] <@blarajan> or agility poke?
  1178. [22:28] <@blarajan> i think speed
  1179. [22:28] <Snowflakes> ss
  1180. [22:28] <@blarajan> is the best here
  1181. [22:28] <ebeast> how do we deal with opposing Chinchou again?
  1182. [22:28] <@blarajan> well
  1183. [22:28] <@blarajan> it's primarily diglett
  1184. [22:28] <uxsee> lol
  1185. [22:28] <@blarajan> it's not hard to u-turn in or switch in predicting an electric attack
  1186. [22:28] <viamage> i'm still leaning towards scarf pory, but i would choose sswimmer if i had too
  1187. [22:28] <@blarajan> since we have so much bait
  1188. [22:28] <@blarajan> why scarf pory?
  1189. [22:28] <ebeast> to trace Sand Rush
  1190. [22:28] <@blarajan> in case anyone here is new to lc
  1191. [22:29] <viamage> great coverage and it outspeeds everything
  1192. [22:29] <@blarajan> pory is cool in that it's the only scarfer that can revenge drilbur
  1193. [22:29] <@blarajan> actually
  1194. [22:29] <@blarajan> not true
  1195. [22:29] <@blarajan> it doesn't outrun anything
  1196. [22:29] <@blarajan> it's actually only 14 speed
  1197. [22:29] <viamage> with a scarf though
  1198. [22:29] <@blarajan> 21
  1199. [22:29] <@blarajan> so outrun by
  1200. [22:29] <ebeast> yeah it's not outspeeding +1 Scrafty
  1201. [22:29] <@blarajan> +1 scraggy and all scarfers
  1202. [22:29] <ebeast> o*Scraggy
  1203. [22:29] <uxsee> it "helps" with snover
  1204. [22:29] <&SevenDeadlySins> the magic 14 is an outmoded concept
  1205. [22:29] <&SevenDeadlySins> back when people didnt like running scarves
  1206. [22:29] <viamage> sorry forgot to put *unboosted :P
  1207. [22:30] <&SevenDeadlySins> and 18-20 speed stuff ruled the land
  1208. [22:30] <@blarajan> 14 is a big scarf number still sds
  1209. [22:30] <@blarajan> 14 or 19 are the only real common scarfers
  1210. [22:30] <&SevenDeadlySins> i know
  1211. [22:30] <&SevenDeadlySins> but it means way less than it used to
  1212. [22:30] <ebeast> for this team we need more speed is the thing though
  1213. [22:30] <@blarajan> yeah
  1214. [22:30] <@blarajan> i kind of like
  1215. [22:30] <@blarajan> mantyke
  1216. [22:30] <@blarajan> since it can switch in on snover
  1217. [22:30] <@blarajan> easily
  1218. [22:30] <@blarajan> and has air slash now
  1219. [22:30] <@blarajan> so like
  1220. [22:30] <@blarajan> rd
  1221. [22:30] <@blarajan> surf / hydro
  1222. [22:30] <@blarajan> air slash
  1223. [22:30] <@blarajan> ice beam
  1224. [22:30] <viamage> sigh, sorry pory swimming it is
  1225. [22:30] <@blarajan> it does well against lileep
  1226. [22:31] <uxsee> rain dance w/ damp rock
  1227. [22:31] <@blarajan> life orb
  1228. [22:31] <&SevenDeadlySins> oh whatthe fuck
  1229. [22:31] <&SevenDeadlySins> mantyke gets air slash now?
  1230. [22:31] <uxsee> why lo
  1231. [22:31] <@blarajan> yeah
  1232. [22:31] <ebeast> yeah
  1233. [22:31] <@blarajan> cause it should be end game uxsee
  1234. [22:31] <@blarajan> we don't need eight rain turns
  1235. [22:31] <@blarajan> as opposed to
  1236. [22:31] <uxsee> olay
  1237. [22:31] <ebeast> waiting for 6th gen Hurricane Mantyke now
  1238. [22:31] <@blarajan> STRONGTH ATTACKS
  1239. [22:31] <uxsee> okay*
  1240. [22:31] <viamage> rofl
  1241. [22:31] <viamage> i want that mantyke on my team
  1242. [22:31] <@blarajan> plus
  1243. [22:31] <@blarajan> air slash flinches are cute
  1244. [22:31] <uxsee> yep
  1245. [22:32] <ebeast> yeah
  1246. [22:32] <uxsee> so thats the team then?
  1247. [22:32] <@blarajan> the biggest reason is
  1248. [22:32] <@blarajan> mantyke is fucking ADORABLE
  1249. [22:32] <@blarajan> oh my jesus fuck
  1250. [22:32] <@blarajan> it's so cute
  1251. [22:32] <@blarajan> what moves?
  1252. [22:32] <@blarajan> rain dance
  1253. [22:32] <@blarajan> hydro pump
  1254. [22:32] <@blarajan> air slash
  1255. [22:32] <&SevenDeadlySins> i would still say hp ground/grass over either air slash or ice beam
  1256. [22:32] <@blarajan> and what's the last?
  1257. [22:32] <@blarajan> yeah i agree with probably hp grass
  1258. [22:32] <&SevenDeadlySins> otherwise chinch eats your existence
  1259. [22:33] <viamage> it would be nice to have chinc support
  1260. [22:33] <uxsee> http://tinyurl.com/ywblajaran
  1261. [22:33] <@blarajan> what do you mean, viamage?
  1262. [22:33] <ebeast> LO Staryu / SR Memento Diglett / Screens Natu / Shell Smash Tirtouga / RD Mantyke / NP Missy
  1263. [22:33] <ebeast> atm
  1264. [22:33] <viamage> well atm we're relying on diglett, what if he's gone?
  1265. [22:33] <@blarajan> he won't be
  1266. [22:33] <uxsee> were screwed
  1267. [22:33] <uxsee> etc etc
  1268. [22:33] <@blarajan> that's how you have to play these teams
  1269. [22:33] <@blarajan> remember?
  1270. [22:34] <@blarajan> offense teams are made to put pressure on the opponent
  1271. [22:34] <@blarajan> you can sack mons if you have to
  1272. [22:34] <@blarajan> you don't need to conserve every mon
  1273. [22:34] <@blarajan> the whole point is setting up a sweep
  1274. [22:34] <@blarajan> or breaking things through
  1275. [22:34] <viamage> *ok face*
  1276. [22:34] <@blarajan> to let you smash things
  1277. [22:34] <@blarajan> right now we have
  1278. [22:34] <@blarajan> natu
  1279. [22:34] <@blarajan> mantyke
  1280. [22:34] <uxsee> im saccing mantye everytime
  1281. [22:34] <@blarajan> staryu
  1282. [22:34] <uxsee> cuz so cute
  1283. [22:34] <@blarajan> and uh
  1284. [22:34] <@blarajan> tirtouga
  1285. [22:34] <@blarajan> we have FOUR things electric weak
  1286. [22:34] <@blarajan> this sounds bad
  1287. [22:34] <@blarajan> but it's not
  1288. [22:34] <@blarajan> at least for a team like this
  1289. [22:34] <@blarajan> the most common user of an electric attack
  1290. [22:34] <@blarajan> is chinchou
  1291. [22:34] <@blarajan> right?
  1292. [22:34] <@blarajan> so
  1293. [22:34] <uxsee> yes
  1294. [22:34] <ebeast> yeah
  1295. [22:34] <@blarajan> what does it do?
  1296. [22:34] <viamage> agreed
  1297. [22:35] <@blarajan> does it use tbolt / volt switch?
  1298. [22:35] <@blarajan> trying to kill the mon?
  1299. [22:35] <viamage> votl switch :P
  1300. [22:35] <@blarajan> when we have diglett?
  1301. [22:35] <@blarajan> to fuck its shit up?
  1302. [22:35] <ebeast> we play carefully with Diglett and take it down
  1303. [22:35] <@blarajan> or does it predict diglett
  1304. [22:35] <@blarajan> and completely fuck itself
  1305. [22:35] <uxsee> we let it die and then send in diglett
  1306. [22:35] <@blarajan> against everything open?
  1307. [22:35] <@blarajan> answer: it's screwed
  1308. [22:35] <@blarajan> it can handle something
  1309. [22:35] <viamage> then we shread through things :D
  1310. [22:35] <@blarajan> but then diglett fucks its shit up
  1311. [22:35] <@blarajan> it can get one kill at most
  1312. [22:35] <@blarajan> and generally zero
  1313. [22:35] <@blarajan> since the chinchou user would be more scared by the thought of getting trapped by diglet
  1314. [22:35] <@blarajan> t
  1315. [22:35] <uxsee> memento~
  1316. [22:35] <@blarajan> and losing its main check
  1317. [22:35] <@blarajan> to four of our mons
  1318. [22:35] <@blarajan> than to play risky
  1319. [22:36] <@blarajan> i think this is fantastic right now
  1320. [22:36] <@blarajan> since we put so much pressure on chinchou and lileep
  1321. [22:36] <@blarajan> that we break through really easily
  1322. [22:36] <@blarajan> also
  1323. [22:36] <@blarajan> do i go for 19 hp on mantyke?
  1324. [22:36] <uxsee> starmie/natu/tirtoga/diglett/missy/mantyke
  1325. [22:36] <uxsee> explain
  1326. [22:36] <uxsee> for sr?
  1327. [22:37] <ebeast> 19 HP means it's only taking 1 HP damage from LO
  1328. [22:37] <uxsee> oh okay
  1329. [22:37] <ebeast> as apposed to 2
  1330. [22:37] <@blarajan> 10% of 20 is 2
  1331. [22:37] <@blarajan> 10% of 19 is 1.9
  1332. [22:37] <@blarajan> which rounds down to 1
  1333. [22:37] <uxsee> wow lol
  1334. [22:37] <@blarajan> mantyke originally gets 21 hp
  1335. [22:37] <@blarajan> 0 ivs puts it at 19
  1336. [22:37] <@blarajan> is that worth it?
  1337. [22:37] <Friar> with screens i think so
  1338. [22:37] <@blarajan> me too
  1339. [22:37] <uxsee> yes and it also allows it to wsitch it into sr 4 times
  1340. [22:37] <uxsee> wait no
  1341. [22:37] <uxsee> lo
  1342. [22:38] <uxsee> nvm
  1343. [22:38] <ebeast> it does both
  1344. [22:38] <@blarajan> http://pastebin.com/SwSCrP7P
  1345. [22:38] <@blarajan> is the team in its current interation
  1346. [22:38] <@blarajan> keep in mind mantyke has 2 hp ivs
  1347. [22:39] <@blarajan> everything else is standard
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