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  2. Status ##mtgox-chatX ne0futurX
  3. [15:58] <MtGoxHi> are there any interested buyers in mtgox currently?
  4. [15:58] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  5. [15:58] <ne0futur> no idea
  6. [15:58] <ne0futur> i hope
  7. [15:59] <ne0futur> i have no insider infos
  8. [15:59] <ne0futur> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nhm4f6pB
  9. [15:59] <ne0futur> this paste looks legit
  10. [15:59] <ne0futur> and if it is legit . . . seems so
  11. [16:00] <ne0futur> but i have no confirmation mark really said that
  12. [16:00] <ne0futur> everyone can decide to trust anrchystar or not concerning this pastebin
  13. [16:01] <MtGoxHi> has mark k heard of mtgoxrecovery & projectgox?
  14. [16:01] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  15. [16:02] <ne0futur> iirc anarchystar IS mtgoxrecovery
  16. [16:03] <ne0futur> ask him he s on the irc channel
  17. [16:03] <MtGoxHi> yes its anarchstar
  18. [16:03] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  19. [16:04] <MtGoxHi> in your opinion should i bother to get a lawyer to help to recovery any funds ?
  20. [16:04] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  21. [16:04] <ne0futur> i dont know the japanese law
  22. [16:05] <ne0futur> so my answer is really silly
  23. [16:05] <ne0futur> but imo, no
  24. [16:05] <ne0futur> perhaps if you are very rich and with thousands of coins on mtgox . . .
  25. [16:06] <ne0futur> if not better wait or join a group like mtgoxrecovery
  26. [16:06] <MtGoxHi> do you think mtgoxrecovery is trustworthy, i dont know oliver janssens
  27. [16:06] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  28. [16:08] <ne0futur> no idea
  29. [16:08] <ne0futur> but i find anarchystar a little bit too much aggressive to like him
  30. [16:08] <ne0futur> but i understand people who lost much money can be agressive
  31. [16:08] <MtGoxHi> yes maybe an open source project is better
  32. [16:08] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  33. [16:09] <ne0futur> i dont even blame the people who come here to insult or death threat me
  34. [16:09] <MtGoxHi> what is your connection to mtgox?
  35. [16:09] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  36. [16:09] <ne0futur> external contractor
  37. [16:09] <ne0futur> selling a service to mtgo as an independant worker
  38. [16:09] <MtGoxHi> when did you last speak with mark?
  39. [16:09] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  40. [16:09] <ne0futur> never had access to anything sensitive
  41. [16:10] <MtGoxHi> thanks for coming here
  42. [16:10] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  43. [16:10] <ne0futur> he answers me a few words most everyday
  44. [16:10] <ne0futur> last time was a few hours ago
  45. [16:10] <ne0futur> he s still here, still working, not fleeing
  46. [16:10] <MtGoxHi> wow amazing
  47. [16:10] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  48. [16:11] <ne0futur> fyi my official position :
  49. [16:11] <ne0futur> http://pastebin.com/JwibfRUR
  50. [16:11] <ne0futur> I still trust MagicalTux, he s not the guy to run for the bahamas with your coins, and that is the important point for everyone at and around mtgox and bitcoin.
  51. [16:11] <ne0futur> that havent changed
  52. [16:11] <MtGoxHi> from a customer point of view, i feel like connection to mtgox/ mark k, anyone who knows anything has been broken, very stressful
  53. [16:11] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  54. [16:11] <MtGoxHi> thanks
  55. [16:11] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  56. [16:12] <ne0futur> 17:11 <MtGoxHi> from a customer point of view, i feel like connection to mtgox/ mark k, anyone who knows anything has been broken, very stressful
  57. [16:12] <ne0futur> i dont understand
  58. [16:12] <MtGoxHi> why does mark k keep blaming bitcoin, seems like he doesnt want to take responsibility ?
  59. [16:12] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  60. [16:12] <ne0futur> i can read C code
  61. [16:12] <ne0futur> and i agree with mark
  62. [16:13] <ne0futur> that looks too much like a very clever backdoor
  63. [16:13] <ne0futur> the extra padding thing is weird
  64. [16:13] <MtGoxHi> oh ok, so you think this is the end of bitcoin ?
  65. [16:13] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  66. [16:13] <ne0futur> there have never been any official security warning about this problem
  67. [16:13] <MtGoxHi> or something needs updating with bitcoin ?
  68. [16:13] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  69. [16:13] <ne0futur> the malleability problem is known since 2011
  70. [16:13] <ne0futur> and is just very slowly silently fixed
  71. [16:14] <ne0futur> the thing have already been added in bitcoin
  72. [16:14] <MtGoxHi> yes, i guess nobody really has any responsibility to warn about bitcoin?
  73. [16:14] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  74. [16:14] <ne0futur> NTXID
  75. [16:14] <ne0futur> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3656#issuecomment-35055553
  76. [16:15] <ne0futur> MtGoxHi the bitcoin foundation received 10000 btcs just from mtgox
  77. [16:15] <MtGoxHi> for that fix ?
  78. [16:15] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  79. [16:15] <ne0futur> with that they could perhaps update the wiki and warn
  80. [16:15] <ne0futur> no , long ago
  81. [16:16] <ne0futur> the bug is real
  82. [16:16] <MtGoxHi> ok they might feel like they've worked off the 10k btc, idk
  83. [16:16] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  84. [16:16] <ne0futur> the problem is real
  85. [16:16] <ne0futur> but theclient software can workaround it
  86. [16:16] <MtGoxHi> is or was? bitstamp & btce are still working fine
  87. [16:16] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  88. [16:16] <ne0futur> mark wanted it to be fied in bitcoin
  89. [16:17] <ne0futur> the malleability issue is still here
  90. [16:17] <ne0futur> but the client can workaround it easily
  91. [16:18] <MtGoxHi> i bought bitcoin on mtgox probably after mtgox knew there was missing bitcoin, do you think mark k will reverse trades if they reopen mtgox ?
  92. [16:18] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  93. [16:19] <MtGoxHi> some people got btc for $70
  94. [16:19] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  95. [16:19] <MtGoxHi> (if mtgox pays back 100% coin)
  96. [16:19] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  97. [16:26] <ne0futur> 014-02-04 12:52< BitCoroner> MagicalTux: why can't we see the raw transactions anymore on https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php ?
  98. [16:26] <ne0futur> 2014-02-04 12:52<@MagicalTux> that's almost a year old
  99. [16:27] <ne0futur> 2014-02-04 12:53<@MagicalTux> BitCoroner, because phantomcircuit found a security issue with showing this
  100. [16:27] <ne0futur> this date is when mark began to investigate the problem
  101. [16:27] <ne0futur> no theres no reason to reverse trades afaik
  102. [16:28] <ne0futur> and as a customer i d be happy if get just 50 % of my coins
  103. [16:28] <ne0futur> (i also have a few coins stuck on mtgox )
  104. [16:28] <MtGoxHi> i would take 50% but that wouled mean i lost money even though i did buy some cheaper @ $300 & $400
  105. [16:28] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  106. [16:30] <MtGoxHi> mark hasnt got 50% of coins though i assume? it would mean he would have to give us shares
  107. [16:30] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  108. [16:30] <ne0futur> you never loose money with bitcoin
  109. [16:30] <ne0futur> i had 3000 in 2010
  110. [16:30] <ne0futur> 150 before bitcoinica exploded
  111. [16:30] <ne0futur> less than 20 now
  112. [16:31] <ne0futur> and my investment is still not in the red ;)
  113. [16:32] <ne0futur> 13:43 < ne0futur> 200k coins + a big player buying mtgox + a 50 % haircut
  114. [16:32] <ne0futur> thats what i hope
  115. [16:32] <MtGoxHi> so you dont think mark k will get charged with fraud, i assume you think not ?
  116. [16:32] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  117. [16:32] <ne0futur> alone he probably dont have 50% of the coins for sure
  118. [16:32] <ne0futur> imo theres no fraud
  119. [16:33] <MtGoxHi> how long do you think until mtgox might reopen ?
  120. [16:33] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  121. [16:33] <ne0futur> no idea
  122. [16:34] <MtGoxHi> past a certain point a reopen wont be possible
  123. [16:34] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  124. [16:34] <ne0futur> not even sure it will reopen . . .
  125. [16:34] <MtGoxHi> then hpw can a big player buy in ?
  126. [16:34] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  127. [16:37] <ne0futur> i dont know but if the pastebin is legit, there are some
  128. [16:37] <MtGoxHi> can you ask mark k if its legit? or not ?
  129. [16:37] <ne0futur> 6:59 <ne0futur> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nhm4f6pB
  130. [16:37] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  131. [16:37] <ne0futur> 1you read it ?
  132. [16:37] <ne0futur> he wont answer
  133. [16:37] <ne0futur> he wont confirm anything
  134. [16:37] <MtGoxHi> yes i read it
  135. [16:37] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  136. [16:37] <ne0futur> he cant say anythin
  137. [16:38] <MtGoxHi> he said something to anarchystar in that pastebin
  138. [16:38] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  139. [16:38] <MtGoxHi> you mean he saying nothing to you ?
  140. [16:38] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  141. [16:39] <ne0futur> nothing like that
  142. [16:39] <ne0futur> and i never ask anyway
  143. [16:39] <MtGoxHi> yes i understand
  144. [16:39] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  145. [16:39] <ne0futur> i know he wont answer to that
  146. [16:40] <MtGoxHi> you might lose job lol
  147. [16:40] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  148. [16:40] <ne0futur> i get just a few minutes of his attention every day
  149. [16:40] <ne0futur> dont want to waste it with useless questions
  150. [16:40] <ne0futur> i mean i understand its not useless question
  151. [16:40] <ne0futur> but useless to ask
  152. [16:40] <MtGoxHi> you know he said he'd have litecoin on mtgox by june 2013
  153. [16:40] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  154. [16:41] <ne0futur> yes and everything was ready for adding ltc
  155. [16:41] <MtGoxHi> yep the date kept pushing on ?
  156. [16:41] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  157. [16:41] <ne0futur> but too many big problems appeared and ltc have never reached the top of the priority queue . . .
  158. [16:41] <ne0futur> problems with banks, us govt, conlab and more
  159. [16:42] <MtGoxHi> mark k was unable to properly assess the queue
  160. [16:42] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  161. [16:42] <MtGoxHi> agree?
  162. [16:42] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  163. [16:42] <MtGoxHi> i mean he tweeted out about litecoin just a couple months back
  164. [16:42] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  165. [16:43] <ne0futur> adding ltc was really really really near the top of the queue
  166. [16:44] <ne0futur> and if mtgox relaunch . . . it could be directly with ltc since afaik everything was ready
  167. [16:44] <MtGoxHi> was mark k aware people were getting annoyed with him keep saying ltc will be added & then it wasnt ?
  168. [16:44] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  169. [16:45] <ne0futur> most probably lol
  170. [16:45] <MtGoxHi> did he care? did he think it was funny? what do you think? he liked creating a drama around it ?
  171. [16:45] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  172. [16:47] <ne0futur> dunno, no, dunno, no
  173. [16:48] <MtGoxHi> everyone though he was doing it so he could trade litecoin & sell out, everyone on BTC-e chat thought this, several thousand people
  174. [16:48] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  175. [16:48] <MtGoxHi> thought*
  176. [16:48] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  177. [16:49] <ne0futur> eh thats the trollbox
  178. [16:49] <MtGoxHi> i guess it doesnt matter if he was doing that or not, its up to him, i guess thats not a crime
  179. [16:49] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  180. [16:49] <ne0futur> no mark is not this kind of guy
  181. [16:49] <MtGoxHi> not the kind of guy to make profit?
  182. [16:49] <ne0futur> he always tried to do everything by the books
  183. [16:49] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  184. [16:49] <ne0futur> to do anything that would probably be illegal
  185. [16:49] <MtGoxHi> im not sure its a crime tbh
  186. [16:49] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  187. [16:50] <ne0futur> just like me, he s not in bitcoin mostly to get rich
  188. [16:50] <ne0futur> but to fight for bitcoin
  189. [16:50] <ne0futur> we are both old linux and opensource geeks
  190. [16:50] <ne0futur> not banksters
  191. [16:50] <MtGoxHi> but his statements recently have made bitcoin sound like its broken beyond repair
  192. [16:50] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  193. [16:51] <ne0futur> broken beyond repair is real false
  194. [16:51] <MtGoxHi> ok he made bitcoin sound bad
  195. [16:51] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  196. [16:51] <ne0futur> but a txid should be normalized, and non mutable
  197. [16:51] <ne0futur> and now its in
  198. [16:51] <ne0futur> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3656#issuecomment-35055553
  199. [16:52] <ne0futur> and blockchain already support it :
  200. [16:52] <ne0futur> https://blockchain.info/ntxid/4657075bee41929d8801a8379857c4a6c18f4916ca75491349084f74296616f2
  201. [16:52] <MtGoxHi> ok, why is 98% of the industry now mark k haters ?
  202. [16:52] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  203. [16:52] <ne0futur> this is a Ntxid
  204. [16:52] <ne0futur> because they lost money
  205. [16:53] <MtGoxHi> AndreasMAntonopoulos constantly calls mark k incompetent, he lost no money in gox
  206. [16:53] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  207. [16:53] <ne0futur> because mark and mtgox were the most trusted and secure exchanges and most big players were there
  208. [16:53] <ne0futur> if anyone can clearly explain the extra padding problem
  209. [16:53] <MtGoxHi> secure ? they got hacked, our person details are so sale
  210. [16:53] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  211. [16:54] <ne0futur> i ll allow hi to say mark is completely incompetent
  212. [16:54] <ne0futur> the malleability is a consequence of the extra padding problem
  213. [16:54] <MtGoxHi> my indentity is up for sale, that is not secure
  214. [16:54] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  215. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-28 19:56< phantomcircuit> the problem is the signatures have extra padding
  216. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-28 19:56-!- mattco [[email protected]] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
  217. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-28 19:56< phantomcircuit> or at least that's what bitcoind tells me
  218. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-28 19:56-!- brxxx_ [52470510@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.71.5.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
  219. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-28 19:56< phantomcircuit> dissecting an example tx i dont actually see any extra padding
  220. [16:56] <ne0futur> no one could find why bitcoin said "extra padding"
  221. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-29 23:01< phantomcircuit> Delerium, 2014-01-29 22:01:25 ERROR: Non-canonical signature: R value excessively padded
  222. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-29 23:01< phantomcircuit> 2014-01-29 22:01:25 ERROR: CScriptCheck() : ef6471efe0377e42081dcf87976f68971e7343a04151ec237c5726c8bb3c4d4e VerifySignature failed
  223. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-29 23:01< phantomcircuit> 2014-01-29 22:01:25 ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : ConnectInputs failed ef6471efe0377e42081dcf87976f68971e7343a04151ec237c5726c8bb3c4d4e
  224. [16:56] <ne0futur> 2014-01-29 23:02< phantomcircuit> Delerium, to be fair i looked at them and cant figure out what the padding issue is either
  225. [16:56] <ne0futur> 217:54 <MtGoxHi> my indentity is up for sale, that is not secure
  226. [16:56] <ne0futur> nop
  227. [16:56] <ne0futur> tha is not sure yet
  228. [16:57] <ne0futur> the leak dont have the docs
  229. [16:57] <ne0futur> and whatever the pirate said, I doubt they have the docs
  230. [16:57] <MtGoxHi> the leak has some exchange data minimum, that is not secure
  231. [16:57] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  232. [16:57] <MtGoxHi> i cant comment on high tech bitcoin stuff
  233. [16:57] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  234. [16:57] <MtGoxHi> i will take your word for that
  235. [16:57] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  236. [16:58] <ne0futur> you ll take the word of phantomcircuit
  237. [16:58] <ne0futur> who discovered the problem
  238. [16:58] <MtGoxHi> i know bitstamp & btc-e haven't leaked any of my trading history or balances, email address
  239. [16:58] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  240. [16:58] <ne0futur> yet
  241. [16:58] <ne0futur> :p
  242. [16:58] <ne0futur> i used to say
  243. [16:58] <MtGoxHi> yes but you said mtgox was the most secure
  244. [16:58] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  245. [16:59] <MtGoxHi> at the moment its less secure
  246. [16:59] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  247. [16:59] <ne0futur> "no bitcoin exchange is secure until its been hacked once or twice, and survived"
  248. [16:59] <MtGoxHi> ok so its chance
  249. [16:59] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  250. [16:59] <ne0futur> the thing is
  251. [16:59] <ne0futur> everything in mtgox was secure ( afaik )
  252. [17:00] <ne0futur> everything in bitcoin is secure ( pretty sure )
  253. [17:00] <ne0futur> the security problem was between mtgox and bitcoin
  254. [17:00] <ne0futur> in trusting a txid
  255. [17:00] <MtGoxHi> so whos at fault ?
  256. [17:00] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  257. [17:00] <ne0futur> when in fact the txid can be changed
  258. [17:00] <ne0futur> both but i d give 51% responsabilitu to bitcoin developpers
  259. [17:01] <ne0futur> who KNEW about this problem
  260. [17:01] <ne0futur> and never issued a big security warning to every bitcoin client developper
  261. [17:01] <ne0futur> and just slowly silent fixed that since 2011
  262. [17:02] <ne0futur> https://github.com/MagicalTux/btclib/commit/05c28a67767bc407e3eaf6d6b68101adbc89b484
  263. [17:02] <ne0futur> those few lines are the problem on the mtgox side
  264. [17:02] <MtGoxHi> ok i dont understand that, i see its posted 2 years ago :)
  265. [17:02] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  266. [17:03] <MtGoxHi> what tasks are currently being asked of you by Mark k ?
  267. [17:03] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  268. [17:03] <ne0futur> yup
  269. [17:03] <ne0futur> you ll prefer this one :
  270. [17:03] <ne0futur> https://github.com/MagicalTux/btclib/commit/3efe89c17883effbbc156d7da8c8231834b75912
  271. [17:03] <ne0futur> nothing, i m on holiday
  272. [17:03] <ne0futur> i closed #tmtgox the official support channel
  273. [17:04] <ne0futur> theres nothing to support right now
  274. [17:04] <MtGoxHi> what do he speak with you every day on then ?
  275. [17:04] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  276. [17:04] <ne0futur> i just bring him useful infos
  277. [17:05] <ne0futur> i warned him first when the leak appeared
  278. [17:05] <ne0futur> so he had the info on wake up at 7 am
  279. [17:05] <ne0futur> things like that
  280. [17:06] <ne0futur> also the leak contains :
  281. [17:06] <ne0futur> 00:48 < bitllama> for fun I confirmed TibanneBackOffice.exe reads your wallet.dat http://imgur.com/ves5y7j
  282. [17:06] <ne0futur> the exe in the leak is a trojan , dont touch it
  283. [17:07] <ne0futur> mark confirmed that windows computers have never been allowed at mtgox
  284. [17:07] <MtGoxHi> yeah i didnt touch anything of that
  285. [17:07] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  286. [17:07] <ne0futur> so its clear the exe have been added by the hackers
  287. [17:07] <ne0futur> details like that
  288. [17:08] <MtGoxHi> you know he might get charged for fraud, because even if he is innocent not many people understand the issue indepth
  289. [17:08] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  290. [17:09] <MtGoxHi> & alot of people are calling him a fraud
  291. [17:09] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  292. [17:10] <ne0futur> what people say is not important
  293. [17:10] <ne0futur> the facts are
  294. [17:11] <MtGoxHi> if the people making the decisions dont understand, he could get charged
  295. [17:11] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  296. [17:11] <ne0futur> mtgo have been talking with the japanese fsa since 2011
  297. [17:11] <ne0futur> good will is proven
  298. [17:12] <MtGoxHi> didnt help with moving money through banks
  299. [17:12] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  300. [17:12] <ne0futur> they always tried to respect all the rules
  301. [17:12] <ne0futur> it helped
  302. [17:12] <ne0futur> mtgox had no problems in japan
  303. [17:12] <MtGoxHi> bitstamp has no problem world wide
  304. [17:12] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  305. [17:12] <ne0futur> mark said more than once "we are 100% respecting japanese laws"
  306. [17:13] <ne0futur> the problem was international wires and the USA
  307. [17:13] <ne0futur> not yet for bitstamp
  308. [17:13] <ne0futur> because they are grandfatheres into their bank
  309. [17:13] <ne0futur> but the same bank
  310. [17:13] <ne0futur> wont accept any other bitcoin business
  311. [17:14] <MtGoxHi> is mark k still in contact with roger ver ?
  312. [17:14] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  313. [17:15] <ne0futur> 2014-01-25 08:51<@MagicalTux> [16:47:42] <Blitzboom> so then time for mtgox to relocate to slovenia perhaps? <- we already talked about the bank bitstamp uses, they said they do not want any bitcoin business
  314. [17:15] <MtGoxHi> ok i see
  315. [17:15] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  316. [17:15] <ne0futur> no idea for roger ver
  317. [17:15] <MtGoxHi> & BTC-e is just moving money because they are corrupt < ?
  318. [17:15] == ne0futur is away: i have 10 queries / minute,i wont answer any query like "hi" or "are you there", I have no answers about the situation, only personal opinions and guesses
  319. [17:15] <ne0futur> but read
  320. [17:15] <ne0futur> http://www.salon.com/2014/03/09/the_ballad_of_bitcoin_jesus_the_tech_millionaire_evangelist_who_fears_for_his_life/
  321. [17:18] <MtGoxHi> www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIJ_jpmwzo
  322. [17:18] <MtGoxHi> ver says mtgox deserved no trust
  323. [17:18] <MtGoxHi> While everything I said in the video was factually true, today I have come to regret making it for them. It ended up causing the community put additional trust in an entity that deserved none
  324. [17:20] <MtGoxHi> This issue was caused by poor programming skills and a total lack of book keeping on the part of Mtgox. It was caused by a single mismanaged company, not by any problem with Bitcoin itself.
  325. [17:20] <MtGoxHi> ^ so roger ver is lying ? thats mark k's close friend
  326. [17:20] <MtGoxHi> or was
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