Session Start: Sun Jul 13 20:39:55 2014
Session Ident: #kspcupparley
03[20:39] * Now talking in #kspcupparley
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[20:42] <r4m0n> might be good to make this channel secret (I think it's +s)
[20:42] <r4m0n> just in case someone looks at our infos
[20:44] <ferram4> Is ominousroom secret?
[20:44] <r4m0n> nope, I left it out to taunt people XD
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01[21:55] <@NathanKell> for the record no reply on either medium
01[21:55] <@NathanKell> Probably just not on right now.
[21:56] <@r4m0n> yeah, nothing from Rows on the results too, weekends are trouble
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[21:58] <metaphor> hello
[21:58] <@r4m0n> oh, hello there :-)
[21:59] <metaphor> so did you guys win the last forum challenge?
[21:59] <@r4m0n> seems so, Rowsdower informed me by PM. did he get in contact with you guys?
12[21:59] <metaphor> i just got nathankell's message
[21:59] <metaphor> congrats!
[22:00] <metaphor> yeah Rowsdower contacted our team too
01[22:00] <@NathanKell> Congrats!
01[22:00] <@NathanKell> Like I said, had no idea you were on that team. This is awesome (and terrifying)
[22:00] <metaphor> the other reddit teams dropped out so we kinda won by default
[22:00] <@r4m0n> your entry for the 3rd contest was pretty good, I'd be pretty worried if we had to go against it
01[22:01] <@NathanKell> ^^^^
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[22:01] <@metaphor> thanks
[22:02] <@metaphor> did you send a message to my other teammates or should i inform them to come here?
[22:03] <@r4m0n> only you, if you could invite them, that would be great
01[22:03] <@NathanKell> You're the only one any of us 'knew' :)
01[22:03] <@NathanKell> But as I said in the PM, 'et al' :)
[22:06] <@metaphor> we usually communicate by email
[22:06] <@metaphor> this is the second time i've ever used IRC
[22:07] <@ferram4> It's certainly a lot more responsive than email.
[22:07] <@ferram4> Even with everyone in other tabs all the time.
01[22:08] <@NathanKell> >.>
01[22:09] <@NathanKell> the #kspmodders channel is where a lot of the modders hang out, e.g.
01[22:11] <@NathanKell> So if the others are coming we should probably wait for them
[22:11] <@r4m0n> yeah, metaphor, can you stick around until your teammates arive?
[22:13] <@metaphor> yeah i can stay for a while
01[22:14] <@NathanKell> Cool!
01[22:15] <@NathanKell> Ooh, while I have you! I keep trying to find out from you exactly what orbital parameters in RSS are messed up, like you mentioned.
01[22:15] <@NathanKell> I'm happy to fix them, just dunno what.
[22:22] <@metaphor> hmm i have to remember, i haven't actually played with RSS in a while
[22:23] <@metaphor> i think it was just the mean anomalies
[22:24] <@metaphor> the beginning of the game wasn't the right configuration of planets for jan 1, 1950
01[22:24] <@NathanKell> Weird, because egg took that from Naval Observatory data IIRC
01[22:24] <@NathanKell> So some sign got flipped maybe, or maybe I'm not converting it to KSP-eze right?
[22:24] <@metaphor> maybe
[22:25] <@metaphor> i couldn't tell exactly what was wrong
01[22:25] <@NathanKell> Ah. Dang.
01[22:25] <@NathanKell> Ok.
[22:25] <@metaphor> and that was about a month or two ago so it might be fixed now if you've changed it at all
01[22:25] <@NathanKell> We haven't changed anything since fake-tilt was added
01[22:25] <@NathanKell> i.e. tilt the ecliptic.
[22:26] <@metaphor> ah yeah i think that had something to do with it
[22:27] <@metaphor> because before that the planets were actually in the right places at the right times
01[22:27] <@NathanKell> Thanks to git I can roll back to check. I'll take this up with egg when he gets back to a computer.
01[22:27] <@NathanKell> Thanks!
[22:29] <@metaphor> i'm a little surprised no one else has checked the in-game planet positions with the real ones at the right times
[22:32] <@metaphor> i noticed it when i was trying to get a mission to pluto and none of the real launch windows matched up
01[22:32] <@NathanKell> I think a lot of us just launch to the Earth-Moon system, and of the IP crowd it's mostly Mars.
01[22:33] <@NathanKell> Also, you probably overestimate the average KSP player's skillbase, especially since *they were asking you how to do that* on RSSreddit. :]
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[22:34] <chicknblender> evenin' gentlemen
[22:34] <@ferram4> o/
[22:34] <@metaphor> hey chicknblender
01[22:34] <@NathanKell> o/
[22:37] <chicknblender> congrats, and thanks for all the mods
[22:37] <chicknblender> so what did i miss?
[22:37] <@r4m0n> nothing yet, we're waiting for your teammates
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[22:38] <@metaphor> i'm not sure iclarion and stochasty are coming
01[22:38] <@NathanKell> Other than metaphor and me discussing RSS orbits
01[22:39] <@NathanKell> We haven't started parlayyyyying yet :]
[22:39] <@r4m0n> well, if the others aren't likely to come, I guess we can get started
[22:40] <@r4m0n> we've invited you guys here because our team didn't find Rowsdower (and Squad) choice for the last challenge very fair and fitting
[22:41] <@chicknblender> I am not even sure what the challenge is, other than live streaming.
[22:41] <@r4m0n> first we would like to hear what you guys think about it, namely, having a single person do something during a stream
[22:41] <@metaphor> yeah we didn't get much info
[22:41] <@ferram4> Neither did we, tbh.
[22:41] <@chicknblender> My guess is that they want us to basically hawk 0.24 live online somehow.
[22:41] <@r4m0n> we neither, but now the challenge has gone down from a group thing to a 1x1 match
[22:41] <@r4m0n> I think it's possibly 0.24 related too
[22:42] <@chicknblender> Yeah, our team has always benefited from f5/f9 and, you know, teamwork
[22:42] <@chicknblender> BTW off subject but were y'all team 1 on the last challenge?
[22:42] <@metaphor> multiplayer isn't in 0.24 right?
[22:42] <@r4m0n> yep
01[22:43] <@NathanKell> to both
[22:43] <@r4m0n> MP isn't going to be stock for a loooooong while, if ever
[22:43] <@metaphor> if we did have multiplayer available that might be a good team challenge even with just one person streaming
01[22:43] <@NathanKell> Heh. Fitting if it got Resource'd.
[22:43] <@metaphor> but i guess that's only possible with the mod
[22:44] <@chicknblender> I get the impression that this thing is getting made up as we go along. Not that this bothers me too much. It's just a game at the end of the day.
[22:45] <@metaphor> yeah, i think it was just something Rowsdower made up on the fly
[22:45] <@metaphor> for PR purposes during the world cup
[22:45] <@r4m0n> same feel here, which is why we think we may be able to come with an alternative
[22:46] <@r4m0n> if we come up with something interesting for both parties, we may be able to get Rows to compromise
[22:47] <@chicknblender> sounds good. last I checked the challenge wasn't even announced to the public.
[22:47] <@r4m0n> nope, so far only we know anything about it
[22:47] <@chicknblender> OTOH, I was kinda looking forward to letting iClarion do all the work while I sit on my ass :)
[22:47] <@metaphor> as far as I know, the last challenge winner hasn't even been announced
[22:48] <@r4m0n> looks like Rowsdower is waiting to make it public with the final date announcement too
[22:50] <@chicknblender> Well I am willing to work with y'all on this. I have enjoyed participating so far, and there is a part of me that's a little sad at the prospect of not being able to do the last challenge (sucky internet connection). Do y'all have anything in mind yet?
[22:52] <@ferram4> There's part of me that wants to do a Realism Overhaul challenge, going as many places as you can on a minimum amount of mass, but I don't know how that would really work out.
[22:52] <@r4m0n> so far all I could think of was something involving more of the team, and maybe something with tight time constrains, so maybe it could be done during a stream or something
[22:53] <@chicknblender> oh god you would kill me on RSS. :) metaphor might be better-prepared though
[22:53] <@metaphor> seems to me like you might be biased with RO seeing as you have the person who created it
[22:53] <@metaphor> haha
[22:53] <@metaphor> it would be a fun challenge though
01[22:53] <@NathanKell> Metaphor, you know you're better at actually *flying* it than me. :]
01[22:54] <@NathanKell> That's why I said terrified, and why your missions are in the RSS OP. :)
[22:54] <@ferram4> Indeed, but the problem is setting the limits on what engines, tanks and everything you can have.
[22:54] <@r4m0n> we could try thinking about something we are all bad at XD
[22:54] <@metaphor> chicknblender is better than me at making minimum-mass spacecraft
[22:54] <@chicknblender> I am bad at Whackjob crafts. I know that for sure now.
[22:55] <@r4m0n> that rocket was a catastrophe
[22:55] <@ferram4> Hey, I'm suggesting a minimum-mass challenge in RSS.  If I wanted to be biased I would have suggested a max payload to orbit in RSS challenge.
[22:55] <@metaphor> my idea to get everyone involved is just to use the darkmultiplayer mod and try to build something or go somewhere on stream
01[22:55] <@NathanKell> Ooh, or spaceplanes in RO
[22:56] <@r4m0n> I was thinking about DMP too... it's crap to do anything with multiple people together, though
[22:56] <@metaphor> but that might not work either seeing as not all of us can be online at the same time
01[22:57] <@NathanKell> Yeah, we have somewhat variant schedules too
[22:57] <@chicknblender> I love what y'all do/have done, but I think we are going to run into some disagreement with Rowsdower/Squad if we try to base the last challenge off of a mod that overalls any major aspect of the game.
01[22:57] <@NathanKell> On the contrary, I think that could also be a selling point for the PR.
[22:57] <@r4m0n> yeah, I have to agree with that
01[22:57] <@NathanKell> Well, maybe not RO.
01[22:58] <@NathanKell> But certainly some level of modding: "look at how open KSP is! Look at how we cater to creativity! And to your own special taste in playing!"
[22:58] <@chicknblender> btw currently playing thru with dre, far, and others so it's not like I don't like your work. :)
[22:59] <@metaphor> if one of the teams weren't completely composed of modders, i would even suggest making a simple mod as a challenge
[22:59] <@metaphor> to showcase ksp's mod-making abilities
[22:59] <@chicknblender> Hahaha that's the key to crushing defeat for our team but it would be amusing
[22:59] <@r4m0n> what looks more obvious to me would be some challenge involving the new contracts, if Rows is ok with showcasing 0.24
[23:00] <@chicknblender> yes, perhaps a minimal-cost mission of some sort. ain't no way anybody is any good at that yet. :)
01[23:01] <@NathanKell> I'd say basing things on contracts *themselves* would be a bit too random though, given what's been said about them.
[23:02] <@chicknblender> maybe a speed run? although that just really shows off exploits.
[23:02] <@r4m0n> a race to the most $$ in a certain amount of time would be reasonably easy to do. I'm not opposed to having a video of the missions else than directly streaming
[23:03] <@ferram4> Hmm... I wonder whether it would be cheaper to use SRBs or to build an infiniglider...
[23:03] <@r4m0n> do both :-)
[23:04] <@chicknblender> If I was in your shoes, the existance of infinigliders would really piss me off
[23:05] <@chicknblender> but we may be getting ahead of ourselves since we don't know for sure that 0.24 is available for the last mission yet
01[23:05] <@NathanKell> Yeah.
01[23:06] <@NathanKell> Honestly, I do kinda like the Mod idea--we could do something like have us be forced to make a mod in an area we don't have experience in?
[23:06] <@r4m0n> we can try to get Rowsdower here (probably only tomorrow) if you want to try to talk this out
[23:06] <@chicknblender> I think Rows really ought to go ahead and post results of the last challenge, even if the final challenge isn't ready yet. That thread is turning into a graveyard.
[23:06] <@metaphor> from what i've heard 0.24 should be out pretty soon, maybe even only a couple of days
[23:08] <@chicknblender> Thing is, if they want us to sell 0.24, they are kinda looking at the wrong folks. We will try to do something difficult which will probably confuse casual users and/or exploit issues that still need to be ironed out.
[23:08] <@r4m0n> yeah, there is that
01[23:08] <@NathanKell> Exactly. Same with us probably.
01[23:09] <@NathanKell> Which is why I think the mods side is a neat angle; it lets us show off some of the *crazy* stuff you can do with KSP, without showing how their new update might or might not be broken
[23:09] <@metaphor> this would be a lot easier to discuss if we actually knew anything about what Rowsdower wants to do
[23:09] <@chicknblender> I would also like to know more about what the last challenge is, because maybe there *is* a way for teammates to contribute and we just don't know what it is yet. (Or maybe Rowsdower is just still thinking about it.)
12[23:09] <@ferram4> NathanKell: We'd have to play with a severe handicap though.  And that's impossible to balance out.
01[23:10] <@NathanKell> I mean either playing with mods
01[23:10] <@NathanKell> I agree that making mods is..fraught.
01[23:10] <@NathanKell> either playing with mods or *perhaps* the "only get to make a mod in an area you know nothing about" but yeah, fraught.
[23:10] <@chicknblender> Well, I mean, you all understand KSP in a much deeper way than players-only like myself. :)
[23:11] <@chicknblender> There's nothing wrong with that
[23:12] <@metaphor> what i was hoping for some time ago was that the last challenge would be to use asteroids in some way, since we haven't used them so far
[23:12] <@chicknblender> I think it would be funny to take an off-the-wall mod that none of us have used, and force us to use that for the challenge. Something like a bizarre parts mod.
[23:12] <@metaphor> that's a good idea
[23:13] <@chicknblender> I do seem to recall some asteroids getting used in the first mission, but not quite like what you have in mind.
[23:14] <@chicknblender> OK maybe step 1 from here should be getting Rowsdower in on the conversation.
[23:15] <@metaphor> yes
[23:16] <@r4m0n> yeah. he isn't around right now, but he probably will tomorrow
[23:16] <@r4m0n> we can take the time to think of other possibilities
[23:17] <@chicknblender> OK sounds good. I am still OK with the streaming thing *if* Rows can make it involve teammates somehow (even if that involvement happens before the stream).
[23:18] <@chicknblender> I gotta get to bed, but nice chatting with you all.
[23:18] <@r4m0n> cya, we'll be around here
[23:18] <@metaphor> later
[23:19] <@chicknblender> Lots of respect to all of you also. Y'all are superstars in the world of KSP.
[23:19] <@chicknblender> goodnight
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[03:17] <Majiir> What in hell
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[03:17] <@Majiir> Why is this better :|
[03:18] <@r4m0n> this is our meeting room with the Reddit team
[03:18] <@Majiir> Ahh
[03:18] <@Majiir> A meeting on the high seas of IRC
12[03:18] <@r4m0n> NathanKell will get you a dump