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Log from ##tremz-public
March 08-09 2012
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23:46 -!- KenuR [c19ca1fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.156.161.253] has joined ##tremz-public
23:47 < KenuR> SamOz just gave me 80% warning level for "trolling". read my posts here: http://tremz.com/community/showthread.php?tid=379&pid=6258#pid6258 and tell me I'm trolling
23:48 < SamOz> yes - and you deserved it
23:48 < SamOz> I asked you 2 times, you ignored me.
23:48 < KenuR> told me what?
23:48 < SamOz> stop bothering the story developers
23:49 < SamOz> you kept coming onto that thread, being an arse - they have better things to do
23:50 < Kynes`> KenuR: I know that feel bro
23:50 < KenuR> in my opinion you were the arse. and anyway "being an arse" isn't reason enough to give a warning level
23:50 < Kynes`> k, back to my usual silence
23:51 < KenuR> who are you? god? you don
23:51 < KenuR> as long as I'm not violating any rules I can post whatever I wish
23:52 < SamOz> good, READ them - you were disruptive, offtopic, and trolling
23:52 < SamOz> apparently you never bothered to read the rules
23:53 < KenuR> not disruptive, not offtopic and not trolling
23:53 < SamOz> *rolleyes:
23:53 < SamOz> what are you doing here?
23:56 < KenuR> I was going to ask someone else from the staff to check whether or not I was trolling and possibly remove my warning level because it's unjustified. wha$
23:59 < Kynes`> iirc you get banned for a few days or something like that
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00:00 < Kynes`> also that reminds me
00:00 < KenuR> gr8, banned for expressing my honest opinion...
00:00 < Kynes`> I'd appreciate it if someone could delete my account and all my posts
00:01 < Kynes`> Don't really want to be associated with this
00:01 < Kynes`> and I'm permabanned anyway
00:03 < SamOz> KenuR: I have no intention of banning anyone if it's avoidable and they keep within the forum rules. If warning level hits 100%then members can't post for about 24 hours. Warning levels always have a time set, usually it's only a few hours.

00:04 < SamOz> Volt is far harder on this than I am, I prefer to warn people - even HermXIV is more likely to kick arse :)
00:04 -!- Irssi: ##tremz-public: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
00:05 < KenuR> I bet their judgement is far better than yours as well
00:05 < Kynes`> volt bans for reasonable things, like criticizing image assets
00:05 < SamOz> hmm
00:06 < SamOz> KenuR: I bet you just love to throw insults everywhere, right? Does it get you anywhere?
00:06 < Kynes`> wat
00:06 < Kynes`> 00:05 < KenuR> I bet their judgement is far better than yours as well
00:06 < Kynes`> this is the only insult i've seen him post
00:06 < SamOz> ^^^ that's an insult
00:06 < KenuR> first of all, you started it
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00:07 < danmal> yeah, 1
00:07 < KenuR> you called me an arse right away
00:07 < danmal> And then you assumed he loved to throw insults everywhere?
00:07 < SamOz> no - KenuR, you come in, start trolling, you got warned - and I called you an arse in a PM - not on the forum threads because that's how I do things
00:07 < Kynes`> disagreement != trolling
00:07 < Kynes`> I think it's important to keep that in mind
00:07 < SamOz> no - incorrect
00:08 < danmal> Actually it usually does mean that
00:08 < danmal> 90% of time trolling is just disagreeing
00:08 < danmal> Which is unfortunate
00:08 < SamOz> trolling = posting offtopic, insulting others, trying to derail discussion
00:08 < SHOVELL> goodnight everyone
00:08 < Kynes`> night
00:08 < SamOz> g'night shovell-bird
00:08 < danmal> goodnight
00:08 < KenuR> now you're just making stuff up
00:09 < danmal> Well you just "trolled" kenur then :/
00:09 < SamOz> I'm just defining what trolling is
00:09 < SHOVELL> !troll
00:09 < KenuR> anyway I have 2 people supporting me. that usually means that I'm right and you are not
00:10 < SamOz> no - because I didn't here to take a debate offtopic or intentionally hassle others --- KenuR went onto that thread and did exactly those things
00:10 < danmal> Wait... did kenur's posts get deleted from that thread?
00:10 < SamOz> majority doesn't rule - it's not a democracy
00:10 < KenuR> sure, sure
00:10 < SamOz> yes
00:10 < KenuR> what? deleted? I didn't know that
00:11 < SamOz> they were offtopic - I deleted mine in response to his as well
00:11 < KenuR> yeah it's a monarchy
00:11 < danmal> Autocracy?
00:11 < danmal> Definately not a monarchy
00:11 < SamOz> king, grand vizier, mad genius, chamberlain.....
00:12 < SamOz> hmmm.... well, TheDushan could be the mad genius wizard I suppose
00:12 < danmal> It doesn't matter much. This sort of thing happens all the time on forums
00:12 < SamOz> yes, it's the internet
00:13 < danmal> A mod identifies a threat to the forum/community and then becomes more aggressive in moderating content in response to this threat
00:14 < Kynes`> eventually you may see a mod act preemtively to prevent any dissenting opinions from being expressed
00:14 < danmal> Yes, it often ends up there
00:14 < SamOz> lol
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00:15 < SamOz> we must take measures to keep the public image squeaky clean....
00:16 < Kynes`> I personally don't think this is the way to do it
00:16 < Kynes`> I realize I don't have any sway in this project, but I'd like to give my 2 cents
00:16 < SamOz> of course
00:17 < Kynes`> On your forums, it is pretty much impossible for anyone to say anything about unvanquished
00:17 < Kynes`> anyone active in the project is permabanned
00:17 < Kynes`> and you lock every thread about it
00:17 < Kynes`> just because there might possibly be trolls
00:17 < Kynes`> this atmosphere tends to put people off
00:17 < Kynes`> with any issue
00:17 < SamOz> I lock it because silly trolls - from BOTH sides would definitely start flaming each other on such threads
00:18 < SamOz> Until the hotheaded idiots and mud-throwers calm down - - - give it another week or so
00:18 < danmal> Then ban those people?
00:18 < SamOz> no
00:19 < danmal> It's your choice but it's off putting to new users when a forum is heavily regulated
00:19 < SamOz> better to just put the whole idiocy in the freezer for awhile, none of the bystanders knew what went down anyway
00:19 < danmal> And to people who have differing opinions
00:20 < SamOz> it's not entirely my "personal" choice. It was decided after a long discussion
00:20 < danmal> But you don't oppose it
00:21 < SamOz> why should I? as I said, it was discussed, and the realisation was that it was - unfortunately for sore egos - the best way
00:22 < SamOz> it may look bad for awhile - but it was better than other alternatives
00:22 -!- KenuR [c19ca1fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.156.161.253] has joined ##tremz-public
00:24 < danmal> I just don't feel supressing differing opinions and information about the fork is the best policy
00:24 < danmal> You run the show so you get to choose but I do disagree
00:27 -!- Irssi: ##tremz-public: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
00:39 < SamOz> that's how it is - please comprehend what I said already. We know it looks bad, but other alternatives would be worse.
00:40 < SamOz> anyway - gtg , I have an appointment to keep IRL unfortunately