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  1. [13:53] <cathfolant> wouldn't you know, I did something that is probably really dumb
  2. [13:53] <cathfolant> now that I see this 08:14, 28 July 2014 Frosty (talk | contribs | block) blocked DungeonSiegeAddict510 (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 2 days (account creation disabled) (Being a Dick: Whilst I respect your right to vote against Mr-ex777 being opped, I did ask very kindly for all against votes to be constructive. Calling someone "cancer" is not constructive.) (unblock | change block)
  3. [13:54] <sleeptyper> mr-ex IS cancerous to Uncyc
  4. [13:54] <cathfolant> ^
  5. [13:54] <sleeptyper> especially #uncyclopedia
  6. [13:54] <cathfolant> Wow, someone else who is willing to tell it like it is.
  7. [13:54] <banzaikitten> frostee doesnt think so
  8. 06[13:54] * cathfolant gives sleeptyper imaginary award
  9. 01[13:55] <SG1|Hereish> It has nothing to do with whether or not Mr-ex777 is cancerous.
  10. 01[13:55] <SG1|Hereish> That thread is a serious vote and calling him cancer isn't constructive in the slightest.
  11. [13:55] <CatTheColourful> sorry but I agree with sg
  12. [13:55] <cathfolant> Not giving any reason isn't constructive either.
  13. [13:55] <CatTheColourful> a lot, actually
  14. 01[13:55] <SG1|Hereish> And neither is voting against someone with "Nuh uh."
  15. [13:56] <CatTheColourful> ^
  16. [13:56] <cathfolant> I'm not too fond of this constructive business
  17. [13:56] <cathfolant> People may have reasons that they aren't willing or able to express in a long block of text
  18. 01[13:56] <SG1|Hereish> Then they shouldn't vote at all.
  19. [13:57] <cathfolant> Or those people who are insisting on 'constructive' shouldn't say anything at all.
  20. [13:57] <banzaikitten> why should people not use constructive criticism llwy?
  21. [13:57] <cathfolant> I didn't say they shouldn't.
  22. [13:57] <cathfolant> I said they shouldn't have to.
  23. [13:58] <banzaikitten> oh
  24. 01[13:58] <SG1|Hereish> If you're not willing to take 10 seconds out of your daily schedule to explain why you're voting a certain way, then you're clearly not passionate enough to vote either way.
  25. [13:58] <cathfolant> Because there are some people who probably won't change even with constructive criticism
  26. [13:59] <cathfolant> I could tell SG1|Hereish exactly why I voted against him and it wouldn't help a thing, because he's not interested in that kind of stuff.
  27. [13:59] <banzaikitten> well we already know
  28. 01[13:59] <SG1|Hereish> I already know why you voted against me, and you're right, I don't particularly care.
  29. [14:00] <cathfolant> No, I don't think you know.
  30. [14:00] <cathfolant> I didn't say it.
  31. [14:00] <cathfolant> So then, what's the fuss over constructive criticism?
  32. [14:00] <cathfolant> If people don't listen, why tell them anything?
  33. [14:01] <cathfolant> Anyway, neither Mr-ex nor SG1 are getting opped, so don't worry about it.
  34. 01[14:01] <SG1|Hereish> You think I harassed you and acted immaturely over the shock images thing, I'm sure. Considering you've already argued that quantity doesn't equal quality in relation to SPIKE in the past, I'm sure my inactivity has very little do with the reasons you voted the way you did.
  35. [14:02] <cathfolant> It's only one reason.
  36. [14:02] <cathfolant> Don't try to read my mind though
  37. 01[14:02] <SG1|Hereish> Your reasons for voting the way you did also has nothing to do with why I brought this subject up.
  38. [14:02] <cathfolant> It's not about the shock images
  39. 01[14:03] <SG1|Hereish> In fact, you specifically don't have anything to do with why I brought this subject up. I was, in fact, referring to Snarglefoop.
  40. [14:03] <cathfolant> Anyone who has anything against Snarglefoop is either an idiot or a troll.
  41. 01[14:04] <SG1|Hereish> Well that's a very mature way of looking at it.
  42. [14:06] <cathfolant> Anyway
  43. [14:06] <cathfolant> I can't support someone who admits to trolling on various wikis
  44. [14:07] <cathfolant> such as Wookieepedia
  45. 01[14:07] <SG1|Hereish> What the actual fuck does that have anything to do with it?
  46. [14:07] <cathfolant> Or someone who pokes at young teenagers until they snap
  47. [14:07] <cathfolant> That is you SG1|Hereish
  48. [14:07] <cathfolant> That is the reason
  49. 01[14:08] <SG1|Hereish> I really didn't intend to continue this discussion any further, but the sheer stupidity of what you're saying makes me feel obliged.
  50. [14:08] <cathfolant> What is stupid about it?
  51. [14:08] <cathfolant> It's the truth.
  52. [14:08] <cathfolant> You've admitted to these things yourself.
  53. [14:09] <cathfolant> Now you're trying to back out?
  54. 01[14:09] <SG1|Hereish> Firstly, in relation to trolling Wookieepedia, you do realize that not one month ago, half of the active ops in this channel all joined #wookieepedia and participated in trolling them, right?
  55. 01[14:09] <SG1|Hereish> Something I personally didn't participate in.
  56. [14:09] <cathfolant> You expect me to support that just because I'm an op here?
  57. [14:09] <cathfolant> Well, I don't.
  58. 01[14:09] <SG1|Hereish> No, of course not.
  59. 01[14:10] <SG1|Hereish> But don't act like something I did five years ago has any baring over whether or not I deserve a simple set of tools.
  60. [14:10] <cathfolant> I don't know what you're hoping to get out of this conversation, but I know it's not anything good.
  61. [14:10] <cathfolant> You do not regret trolling wookieepedia or abusing freenode to get mibbit shut down
  62. [14:11] <cathfolant> If you regretted it, if you admitted that it was stupid and immature, I could support you.
  63. [14:11] <cathfolant> But you don't.
  64. [14:11] <cathfolant> You think that you are teaching people a lesson by insulting their intelligence
  65. [14:11] <cathfolant> by trolling them
  66. 01[14:11] <SG1|Hereish> Of course I don't regret it, because that was five fucking years ago and it has nothing to do with my abilities as a sysop.
  67. [14:12] <cathfolant> Your abilities and your character are two different things.
  68. [14:12] <cathfolant> I form my opinions about sysops based on both abilities and character.
  69. [14:12] <banzaikitten> are we pastebinning this?
  70. [14:12] <cathfolant> You are quite able, but your character leaves much to be desired.
  71. 01[14:12] <SG1|Hereish> Anyway, my second point is probably going to be rather long, so if you would prefer to join another channel to continue this instead of us spamming #uncyclopedia, that's perfectly acceptable.
  72. [14:12] <rarityfan> Ok, per this convo, changing my vote.
  73. [14:13] <cathfolant> Sure, whatever
  74. 01[14:13] <SG1|Hereish> I'm also going to warn you that this second point is in relation to you specifically, so please don't think for a second that I'm in any way attacking or trolling you, because I'm not.
  75. [14:13] <cathfolant> If you please
  76. 01[14:14] <SG1|Hereish> [14:07:27] <cathfolant> Or someone who pokes at young teenagers until they snap
  77. [14:14] <cathfolant> I was referring mainly to Denza.
  78. [14:14] <CatTheColourful> sorry but what
  79. [14:14] <cathfolant> You did harass him at one point, no?
  80. 01[14:14] <SG1|Hereish> Well in that case, I actually have no idea what you're referring to.
  81. [14:14] <cathfolant> Oops
  82. 01[14:14] <SG1|Hereish> I assumed you were referring to yourself.
  83. [14:14] <cathfolant> No, because you didn't do most of the poking.
  84. [14:14] <CatTheColourful> cathfolant thanks to sg1 and like denza actually got unbanned here
  85. 01[14:15] <SG1|Hereish> ^
  86. [14:15] <cathfolant> Yeah, I believe that
  87. 01[14:15] <SG1|Hereish> I just spent the last two weeks actively getting him unbanned.
  88. [14:15] <cathfolant> Good for you.
  89. [14:15] <cathfolant> I know you've been trying to help him.
  90. [14:15] <cathfolant> However, part of that consisted of harassing him.
  91. [14:15] <cathfolant> Once
  92. 01[14:15] <SG1|Hereish> More importantly, I've /never/, and I legitimately mean /never/ harassed him.
  93. 06[14:15] * CatTheColourful gets a shitload of sandwiches
  94. [14:16] <cathfolant> Well I know you did /something/
  95. 01[14:16] <SG1|Hereish> What?
  96. 01[14:16] <SG1|Hereish> What did I do?
  97. [14:16] <cathfolant> We talked about this.
  98. 01[14:16] <SG1|Hereish> Talked about what?
  99. [14:17] <cathfolant> He complained to Darth Culator about something he thought Spike did that you actually did.
  100. [14:17] <cathfolant> You pretended to be his sockpuppet on Wikia
  101. 01[14:17] <SG1|Hereish> The only time I've ever been seriously accused of partaking in any sort of harassment against Denza was when his account was taken over on Wikia, and sannse was able to prove that I had nothing to do with it.
  102. [14:17] <cathfolant> I'm pretty sure you pretended to be his sock
  103. 01[14:18] <SG1|Hereish> Pretty sure =/= sure
  104. [14:18] <cathfolant> You created the account ANuStart and readded something Denza had put in an article, with the poopdick link
  105. [14:18] <cathfolant> I'm sure.
  106. 01[14:18] <SG1|Hereish> You're evidently not sure, because as I said, sannse was already able to prove that wasn't me.
  107. [14:18] <cathfolant> Then who was it?
  108. [14:18] <cathfolant> It wasn't Denza
  109. 01[14:18] <SG1|Hereish> Fuck if I know.
  110. [14:18] <cathfolant> It's a big WP:DUCK
  111. 01[14:19] <SG1|Hereish> The CheckUser specifically showed it was neither Denza nor I.
  112. [14:19] <cathfolant> Then that leaves the fact that you seconded Madclaw's illegitimate 'concern' about my 'sockpuppetry'.
  113. 01[14:20] <SG1|Hereish> Because I still consider that illegitimate concern to be perfectly legitimate.
  114. [14:20] <cathfolant> And no one else does.
  115. 01[14:21] <SG1|Hereish> Well you've evidently missed a lot on IRC if that's what you truly believe.
  116. [14:21] <cathfolant> you only consider it legitimate because the two of you are accomplices
  117. [14:21] <cathfolant> What, were you talking about it on IRC?
  118. [14:21] <cathfolant> Seriously?
  119. 01[14:21] <SG1|Hereish> It has nothing to do with trolling or idiocy as you claim, either.
  120. [14:22] <cathfolant> Well of course it's not idiocy
  121. 01[14:22] <SG1|Hereish> It's a legitimate concern that myself and others have expressed.
  122. [14:22] <cathfolant> It's trolling
  123. [14:22] <cathfolant> Madclaw started it because he didn't like what I had to say and he was trying to discredit me.
  124. 01[14:22] <SG1|Hereish> I feel sorry for you if that's truly what you believe.
  125. [14:23] <cathfolant> You don't feel sorry for me.
  126. 01[14:23] <SG1|Hereish> I do.
  127. 01[14:23] <SG1|Hereish> Because believe it or not, I think you're cool beans 99% of the time.
  128. [14:23] <cathfolant> If you do, you shouldn't.
  129. 01[14:23] <SG1|Hereish> And I have it on good authority that Madclaw feels the same way.
  130. [14:23] <cathfolant> This is a rotten game you're trying to play
  131. [14:24] <cathfolant> You think I'm cool beans except when I disagree with you.
  132. [14:24] <cathfolant> I know how it goes.
  133. 01[14:24] <SG1|Hereish> That's not how it is at all.
  134. 01[14:24] <SG1|Hereish> I think you're cool beans when you're not being unreasonable/a brick wall.
  135. 01[14:25] <SG1|Hereish> Instead of playing the troll card at every opportunity, would you like me to explain why I personally feel the sockpuppet concern is legitimate?
  136. 01[14:25] <SG1|Hereish> #uncyclopediawithdrama
  137. 01[14:25] <SG1|Hereish> Because this is getting ridiculous.
  138. [14:25] <cathfolant> You are making it ridiculous
  139. 01[14:26] <SG1|Hereish> Okay, but would you like for me to explain these concerns in a less ridiculous environment?
  140. 01[14:27] <SG1|Hereish> Because right now, it seems we're treating each other like a brick wall and I'd really like to work this issue out.
  141. [14:27] <cathfolant> I know exactly what you mean and it's easy to explain without sockpuppetry.
  142. [14:27] <cathfolant> The best way to work this issue out would be for you to shut up.
  143. [14:28] <cathfolant> It's a non-issue.
  144. 01[14:28] <SG1|Hereish> Okay. Well in that case, I'm done trying. I was hoping you'd be a little more mature about it so we could see eye to eye, but if you're genuinely not interested, that's your choice.
  145. [14:29] <cathfolant> I'm not interested in hearing arguments to support a position that I know to be false.
  146. 01[14:31] <SG1|Hereish> I'm not trying to argue in support of any specific position. You seem to be under the impression that I'm a troll by calling into question the possibility that a known sockpuppeteer has a sockpuppet account that she claims is her father, who votes on the same issues at the same time of day.
  147. [14:32] <cathfolant> You definitely have a COI here because you are often on the opposite side of the issues as me.
  148. 01[14:32] <SG1|Hereish> Such as?
  149. [14:32] <cathfolant> I don't know what you mean by my being a known sockpuppeteer.
  150. [14:32] <cathfolant> Well, the admin forum for example
  151. [14:32] <cathfolant> And the shock image forum
  152. 01[14:32] <SG1|Hereish> Because you flat-out admitted to sockpuppet voting.
  153. [14:33] <cathfolant> That was very different.
  154. [14:33] <cathfolant> I created an account and sock voted as a joke.
  155. [14:33] <cathfolant> I created it logged in no less
  156. 01[14:33] <SG1|Hereish> It wasn't a funny joke.
  157. [14:33] <cathfolant> That is your opinion
  158. 01[14:33] <SG1|Hereish> Nor was it funny when you threatened to continue creating sockpuppet accounts to see what would happen.
  159. [14:33] <cathfolant> Many jokes are only funny to the one who tells them
  160. [14:34] <cathfolant> I don't know what you mean because I said I would stop.
  161. 01[14:34] <SG1|Hereish> As far as being on the opposite side of you in the admin forum, I'm not sure what you referring to.
  162. [14:34] <cathfolant> Okay
  163. 01[14:34] <SG1|Hereish> http://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Forum:Do_you_want_this%3F#Are_we_voting_for_one_or_two_admins.3F
  164. 01[14:34] <SG1|Hereish> Because that would beg to differ.
  165. [14:34] <cathfolant> Why are you challenging the status quo?
  166. [14:34] <cathfolant> What do you hope to get out of this?
  167. [14:34] <cathfolant> I meant the other admin forum.
  168. [14:35] <cathfolant> Where I voted against you
  169. 01[14:35] <SG1|Hereish> I didn't challenge your vote, did I?
  170. [14:35] <cathfolant> What I am saying is that I voted in a way you disliked.
  171. [14:36] <cathfolant> And so did Snarglefoop.
  172. 01[14:36] <SG1|Hereish> No, I specifically said Snarglefoop voted in a way I disliked.
  173. [14:36] <cathfolant> The same holds true for the shock image forum.
  174. [14:36] <cathfolant> Alright, fine, but you disagree with my vote.
  175. [14:36] <cathfolant> You made that clear here.
  176. [14:36] <CatTheColourful> truth be told almost everybody disagreed with you on the shock image forum
  177. [14:36] <CatTheColourful> sorry to say but it was like that :/
  178. [14:36] <cathfolant> Ah but not everyone
  179. 01[14:37] <SG1|Hereish> I disagree with the reasoning behind it, but I'm not gonna try to sway you to change it. At any rate, I really don't think #uncyclopedia needs any more of this. If you'd like to continue the discussion, #uncyclopediawithdrama
  180. [14:37] <cathfolant> Yes, and I'm sure that Bizzeebeever, Lyrithya and Denza are all my sockpuppets.
  181. [14:37] <cathfolant> Lyrithya would probably be a better choice because our writing styles bear some resemblance
  182. 01[14:38] <SG1|Hereish> And Madclaw is clearly my sock because we share symmetry.
  183. [14:39] <cathfolant> I'm not going there.
  184. [14:39] <cathfolant> You're clearly not socks even though you have the same agenda
  185.  
  186.  
  187. *PM begins*
  188.  
  189. 01[14:44] <SG1|Hereish> I had every intention of letting the topic go because I don't think we're getting through to each other, but I do want you to know something very important.
  190. 01[14:44] <SG1|Hereish> That being I'm not your enemy I genuinely meant it when I said you're cool beans 99% of the time.
  191. 01[14:45] <SG1|Hereish> You can choose to ignore this or take it to heart, but over the past few weeks, there were discussions in IRC of starting a vote to have your sysops removed.
  192. 01[14:45] <SG1|Hereish> I'm not going to elaborate on who started or participated in these discussions, but suffice it to say, they took place over the course of several weeks and are still ongoing.
  193. 01[14:46] <SG1|Hereish> And I want you to know that even though there have seemingly been differences between us, I argued in favor of you keeping your sysops.
  194. 01[14:47] <SG1|Hereish> More importantly, when shit went down in that shock images thread, I was perfectly prepared to change my vote to banning NSFW images from IRC if it meant you stayed on the wiki, because I legitimately do think you're a good administrator.
  195. 01[14:48] <SG1|Hereish> Even when we disagree on issues.
  196. 01[14:54] <SG1|Hereish> I'd also like to elaborate that while I do disagree with the reasons you mentioned on IRC for voting against me, I certainly don't blame you nor do I expect you to change your vote. I agree there are more suitable candidates, and honestly, I'm eager to put this bitterness behind us.
  197.  
  198. At this point, she put me on /ignore.
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