[1:12:53 AM] Matt/Haduis: So I love you and I know you're stubborn
[1:13:23 AM] Matt/Haduis: But people are getting...rubbed the wrong way and I don't want this to become a big fight
[1:13:30 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Man its cool if you don't want to group with me at times..I get it but the guy I play is for fun
[1:13:39 AM] Matt/Haduis: There's two problems people have
[1:13:47 AM] Matt/Haduis: Are A. that you're always filling a DPS slot and there's no trading
[1:13:56 AM] Matt/Haduis: and B. that you're always on a strong defense hero on attack
[1:14:11 AM] Matt/Haduis: Literally everyone has said something about it and it's getting to be more and more of an issue
[1:14:20 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: There's only one problem I have. I paid to have fun at this game. I play the guy I have fun with.
[1:14:20 AM] Matt/Haduis: Can you at least try other champs? You've literally only played one
[1:14:31 AM] Matt/Haduis: But you haven't tried anything else
[1:15:16 AM] Matt/Haduis: Most of us have fun working together as a team to win
[1:15:27 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: At this time I want to play one . It's fucking like day 3 and all of you try hard fuck already complain when we win 5 straight and lose one
[1:15:38 AM] Matt/Haduis: We didn't win 5 straight
[1:15:48 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Sorry was it 4
[1:15:51 AM] Matt/Haduis: We lost every attack except two
[1:16:07 AM] Matt/Haduis: It's not really try harding
[1:16:21 AM] Matt/Haduis: If we were tryharding it would be 2x Winston, 2x Lucio, 2x McCree
[1:16:47 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Hey its whatevr I understand most of you can't have fun without winning. That's your gig. I get it
[1:16:58 AM] Matt/Haduis: We have fun when we work together as a team
[1:17:06 AM] Matt/Haduis: We swap characters based on what makes  us stronger as a team
[1:17:25 AM] Matt/Haduis: If we're playing a comp and it isn't working we adapt to overcome as a team
[1:17:33 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: If y ok u only cared about working together you could play with and guy
[1:17:53 AM] Matt/Haduis: what?
[1:18:18 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: But it's not. The truth is. If we had the perfect comp and lost.  The rage would still be there just like league
[1:18:28 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Shit happens
[1:18:33 AM] Matt/Haduis: What perfect comp?
[1:18:35 AM] Matt/Haduis: The last game?
[1:18:41 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Any game
[1:18:49 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: League is a good example
[1:19:05 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: We could win 4 in a row. We lose one people log
[1:19:34 AM] Matt/Haduis: I haven't played league in a year
[1:19:36 AM] Matt/Haduis: idk about that
[1:19:38 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Just the way it is. Most of the group just dot have fun unless there's a W involved
[1:19:46 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Wow a year
[1:19:55 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Must have been some other haduis
[1:20:04 AM] Matt/Haduis: I just play ARAMS
[1:20:13 AM] Matt/Haduis: If that's what you mean it has nothing to do with the loss
[1:20:19 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: It does
[1:20:32 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Cause there is literally no complaints when we win
[1:20:34 AM] Matt/Haduis: But getting outcomped by the randomness a couple times in a row is frustrating
[1:20:37 AM] Matt/Haduis: But that's the nature of the game
[1:20:39 AM] Matt/Haduis: mode
[1:21:55 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: So here's my thing. The fact it's an issue 3 days into the game really turns me off. It probably makes me more against playing anyone else because it's an issue
[1:22:09 AM] Matt/Haduis: 3 days or 3 years in
[1:22:15 AM] Matt/Haduis: People are frustrated
[1:22:23 AM] Matt/Haduis: We try really hard to work around your champ
[1:22:36 AM] Matt/Haduis: But on some maps he's just NOT good and it makes it frustrating
[1:22:55 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: If that's what you have to do to have fun. I feel sorry for you. I don't actually care it's the people I play with
[1:23:05 AM] Matt/Haduis: We like to compete
[1:23:09 AM] Matt/Haduis: That's why most people play games
[1:23:10 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: So just don't invite me
[1:23:30 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I tried to give up my spot multiple times
[1:23:38 AM] Matt/Haduis: We want to play with you gravy
[1:23:45 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I play to have fun with friends
[1:23:53 AM] Matt/Haduis: You really can't understand how the competition IS fun with friends?
[1:23:58 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I don't know what winning all my games is going to get me
[1:24:14 AM] Matt/Haduis: We don't care if we win or lose, we care that we gave it our best
[1:24:19 AM] Matt/Haduis: Tjorborn on attack isn't our best
[1:24:30 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I think we can compete and have fun with any comp we play...so what if we don't win every game
[1:24:30 AM] Matt/Haduis: You can literally change champs mid-game
[1:24:32 AM] Matt/Haduis: It's part of the game
[1:24:38 AM] Matt/Haduis: To adapt and overcome
[1:25:10 AM] Matt/Haduis: We can't adapt when we have to play protect the Torbjorn
[1:25:20 AM] Matt/Haduis: When we push a point together and you can't get your turret down in time
[1:25:50 AM] Matt/Haduis: I just really don't understand why you can't try the champs, you paid for all of them, why not just give them a try?
[1:26:07 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: U don't have to. My turret doesn't have to be on the point. Is it always optimal..no but it's early in the fame
[1:26:30 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Cause I currently enjoy one
[1:27:00 AM] Matt/Haduis: I tried my best to protect you and give you the best possible advantages to succeed
[1:27:08 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: And in stubborn and because it's a big deal now the likely hood of changing is probably smaller
[1:27:28 AM] Matt/Haduis: Which is absurd
[1:27:33 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: That's me
[1:27:40 AM] Matt/Haduis: "You can't date black guys" "WELL NOW IM GONNA DAD"
[1:27:55 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Welcome to the me you have known for how many years
[1:28:00 AM] Matt/Haduis: You're frustrating your friends and you don't care
[1:28:02 AM] Matt/Haduis: I'm used to it
[1:28:03 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: And expect change
[1:28:19 AM] Matt/Haduis: But I don't want to stop playing with you
[1:28:38 AM] Matt/Haduis: But you're the reason for so much frustration with the people we group with
[1:28:44 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: U try it with every game matt. I get it. Doing what you do makes you happy. It's cool I can leave when needed
[1:29:13 AM] Matt/Haduis: At what point do you stop shitting on our fun though?
[1:29:17 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: If there's someone to take my spot. I'll leave. It's cool
[1:29:20 AM] Matt/Haduis: You won't even try the other champs, which you could like
[1:29:33 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: At what point do you stop sitting on my fun
[1:29:37 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Works both ways
[1:29:47 AM] Matt/Haduis: I literally just spent all night defending you in every possible way
[1:29:54 AM] Matt/Haduis: When's it my turn?
[1:29:57 AM] Matt/Haduis: When's it steve's turn?
[1:30:02 AM] Matt/Haduis: When's it Reid's turn?
[1:30:09 AM] Matt/Haduis: You want to play Torbjorn for half our games, go for it
[1:30:12 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: You didn't defend shit unless you mean supper in game
[1:30:17 AM] Matt/Haduis: The other half try to make us happy
[1:30:26 AM] Matt/Haduis: I camped you so hard every time I played a tank
[1:30:32 AM] Matt/Haduis: I damage boosted you on Mercy
[1:30:35 AM] Matt/Haduis: I played around YOU
[1:30:40 AM] Matt/Haduis: Whens your turn to play around ME
[1:30:44 AM] Matt/Haduis: Forget the other guyys
[1:30:47 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Yeah in game
[1:30:59 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: And then talk shit every game I pick him
[1:31:05 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Way to defend it
[1:31:14 AM] Matt/Haduis: I called him the Liability
[1:31:16 AM] Matt/Haduis: THat's the worst I did
[1:31:25 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Good defending him
[1:31:25 AM] Matt/Haduis: Otherwise, even on attack maps, I told you where I think you should set up
[1:31:32 AM] Matt/Haduis: And I defended you with my life
[1:31:58 AM] Matt/Haduis: You want a list of everything I did?
[1:32:14 AM] Matt/Haduis: Reinheart - I defended you more than anyone else with shield
[1:32:20 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: No because in game doesn't matter
[1:32:20 AM] Matt/Haduis: Mercy - Damage boost mainly on you
[1:32:32 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I'm know saying you didn't in game
[1:32:32 AM] Matt/Haduis: So I can't call Torbjorn a liability?
[1:32:35 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Not
[1:32:41 AM] Matt/Haduis: When he absolutely is one?
[1:33:03 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Hey if that's your opinion. So be it that is fine
[1:33:31 AM] Matt/Haduis: I watched, intently a few times on attack maps
[1:33:45 AM] Matt/Haduis: I'd ballpark that your turret had a 10% up time
[1:33:54 AM] Matt/Haduis: If it WAS up
[1:33:58 AM] Matt/Haduis: It wasn't in a spot that meant very much
[1:34:01 AM] Matt/Haduis: When it was
[1:34:03 AM] Matt/Haduis: 10% up time
[1:34:11 AM] Matt/Haduis: That's the definition of a liability come on
[1:34:18 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: And your point? I'm failing to see it
[1:34:38 AM] Matt/Haduis: You fail to see how a hero that relies heavily on his turret
[1:34:42 AM] Matt/Haduis: Not being able to get his turret up
[1:34:47 AM] Matt/Haduis: Is a liability?
[1:34:54 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: K. I'll try this one more time
[1:35:05 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Since it's hard to understand
[1:35:14 AM] Matt/Haduis: Sorry was watching the CLG interview
[1:35:16 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I FUCKING ENJOY PLAYING HIM
[1:35:34 AM] Matt/Haduis: And you can't enjoy any other heroes?
[1:35:52 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: Maybe more than 4 days into the game
[1:35:58 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I'm not ruling it out
[1:36:41 AM] Matt/Haduis: So trying and possibly enjoying other heroes is somehow not possible 4 days into the game? Especially when your friends and teammates could really use you on something else?
[1:37:27 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I'm trying to figure out where I'm complaining you guys won't play with me. I literally played solo last night because I wanted to play him
[1:37:44 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: And I didn't want to "bother" u guys with a bad comp
[1:37:53 AM] Matt/Haduis: What you're not understanding
[1:38:02 AM] Matt/Haduis: Is that we like you and we like playing with you
[1:38:09 AM] Matt/Haduis: So we'll play with you even when it's frustrating
[1:38:34 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: And my angle is I like all of you enough I don't care what you play
[1:38:54 AM] Matt/Haduis: But just know you're causing all these people who like to think of themselves as your friend to have less fun
[1:39:05 AM] Matt/Haduis: We love you no matter what you play
[1:39:11 AM] Matt/Haduis: But it hurts our fun
[1:39:31 AM] Matt/Haduis: And you're making that decision purely out of stubborn indifference to our feelings
[1:39:37 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: That's cool. Then invite when when you guys want. And if you don't it's cool
[1:39:55 AM] Matt/Haduis: ok, i'll pass it along
[1:39:56 AM] Ryan Chamberlin: I don't have a problem bowing out