<davidreiss666> somebody message an admin yet?
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<TomRiddle> davidreiss666: what's wrong?
<davidreiss666> we're not able ot add approved submitters to r/defaultmods
<TomRiddle> oh
<fritzly> I have to agree the jackal there though.  Admins only care once shit already happens and don't like to keep us in the loop.
<fritzly> We put in the time, its not like we get paid to do this (except BipolarBear0, he shills hard)
<davidreiss666> I agree with that view in general
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<TomRiddle> 2brave4me\
<davidreiss666> the admins could be more responsive and let people know if they are being disagreed with or if they are just missing their message
<TomRiddle> all because of violent acrez?
<fritzly> being responsive is the biggest key there
<fritzly> just talk to us
<TomRiddle> ..they do talk to us?
<davidreiss666> as it is, with spam reports, the admins don't respond if they disagree with a report in the same way they don't respond to somebody becuase they missed the message
<fritzly> TomReddle when do they talk to us?
<TomRiddle> fritzly: uh..whenever you talk to them?
<TomRiddle> I talk to krispykrackers nearly every day
<fritzly> 4/5 messages don't get a responce
<davidreiss666> when the admisn do talk, they are often cryptic about what they actually mean
<fritzly> ^
<davidreiss666> and leave it open to interputation
<TomRiddle> fritzly: maybe the admins think you're ugly?
<TomRiddle> jk
<TomRiddle> <3
<fritzly> words hurt tom
<fritzly> lol
<TomRiddle> :P
<TomRiddle> well, they always respond to me
<TomRiddle> the trick is to not be a dick. just be chill and they'll reply
<fritzly> Im never a dick.  I try to be as respectful as possible.
<fritzly> but when I don't hear back Im left not knowing if they even care
<TomRiddle> then hit them up on the IRC
<fritzly> k
<fritzly> krispykrackers do you care?
* TomRiddle hugs fritzly
<PhnomPencil> that's a good response, agentlame
<fritzly> she doenst care
<PhnomPencil> in that defaultmods subreddit discussion
<fritzly> proof
<TomRiddle> krispykrackers: pls respond
<fritzly> Tom did you say something on hitting them up on irc?
<TomRiddle> Yes
<TomRiddle> don't hit tehm
<TomRiddle> them*
<TomRiddle> hit them up*
<TomRiddle> if it's really that important
<TomRiddle> I just don't understand why some people get their panties in a twist over this
<fritzly> agentlame how do you use toolbox to /r/spam people?
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<fritzly> TomRiddle:  because we are doing a lot of work  for them when we are not getting paid for it.  Its not much to ask for a bit of responsiveness from people getting paid.
<TomRiddle> fritzly: Meh, I guess I can understand. But there's thousands of subreddits. They probably get thousands of messages a day from different users. I'm sure it's nothing personal.
<TomRiddle> it's not like they just say "meh, I don't feel like replying to fritzly"
<fritzly> Its not personal, but Im sure they don't respond to a lot of people because they don't want to get into an argument or it would take to long to respond.  That shouldn't happen.  Ive messaged multiple times for a single issue and not gotten any response.  Its more likely they decided not to respond instead of missing all of my messages.
<TomRiddle> probably
<TomRiddle> I just don't think the admins would just decide to not like us :P
<fritzly> not liking vs not respecting
<snarkypants> krispykrackers, are you around?
<davidreiss666> I sent a note to the admins about the issue with approved-submitters in r/Defaultmods
<davidreiss666> and I found a small problem with /r/spam that I messaged the mod team there about
<davidreiss666> might be that both are related issues
<ForestL> eh
<ForestL> r/spam will work good for right now
<ForestL> and it looks like the admins are working a new system
<ForestL> all that really changes with all this drama is we now have a slightly shorter URL for spam
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<fritzly> RES needs to update
<ForestL> yell at honestbleeps
<fritzly> I heard there was a way with toolbox but Im not sure how
<agentlame> fritzly: Click on [H] next to the username and then click 'report spammer'.
<fritzly> The H doesn't always show though.  Only N
<agentlame> It does in the mod queues, by default.  If you're not in a queue, you have to activate modtools, by click on the tab.
<agentlame> davidreiss666: http://www.reddit.com/r/food/comments/27b79l/typical_american_school_lunch/ that thread is a mess.
<davidreiss666> I was in favor of removing that, agentlame.
<davidreiss666> Others were approving it and saying that it was okay though
<agentlame> Damn.
<davidreiss666> So, I approve it just to make the report go away
<agentlame> I've been busy with the RTS stuff most of my day and didn't check mod mail much.
<agentlame> All well.
<agentlame> I guess we're also approving the circlejerking comments then?
<ForestL> euphoric
<davidreiss666> I was told by one of the newer admins that r/Defaultmods hit the limit on the number of approved-submitters we are allowed
<davidreiss666> I told him that wasn't true
<davidreiss666> r/centuryclub has almost 1700 approved submitters
<davidreiss666> where as defaultmods only has ~850
<HandicapperGeneral> top kek
<fritzly> I'm in private subs larger than default subs
<ForestL> davidreiss666, fix it by adding me to r/defaultmods
<ForestL> le
<davidreiss666> it was one of the new guys though
<fritzly> faken newbs
<fritzly> but if they start having a limit, thats going to suck
<davidreiss666> but I wonder if they are just going to ignore the thread now and assume I was making life hard for the admins
<HandicapperGeneral> is that not what you were doing
<agentlame> davidreiss666: I pnged Deimorz, he's looking at it now.
<davidreiss666> okay
<fritzly> admins ignoring mods?  unheard of
<davidreiss666> cool
<agentlame> 20-to-1 it has to do with AutoMod.
<ForestL> fritzly, 10brave
<agentlame> pinged*
<fritzly> k
<davidreiss666> Automod broke defaultmods
<davidreiss666> :-)
<fritzly> Deimorz is the most responsive admin it seems
<agentlame> It's only ratelimiting approved submitters, and AM is set to auto add people.
<ForestL> literally hitler
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<davidreiss666> the rts guys do get ignored a lot by the admins
<davidreiss666> And a lot of people laid into them today for having the temeriday to say that in public
<ForestL> and the admins have said they are working on a new thing
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<davidreiss666> which they only meantion after the RTS-guys forced them too
<ForestL> shutting down the subreddit is just kina stupid
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<davidreiss666> Considering that mod-mail has been having a redesign of it so very soon for two+ years now
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<fritzly> stupid or just lighting a fire under their ass?
<davidreiss666> I do think there is cause ot wonder if the *new thing* is real or a story to shut people up
<agentlame> The RTS mods handled it like kids, though.
<fritzly> they did
<ForestL> davidreiss666, even if it was flawed, shutting down the sub had a bigger negative effect than positive
<ForestL> before the admins got r/spam
<fritzly> spam should be their issue,  rts should have been ran by the admins from the start
<davidreiss666> I regularly send the admins lists of spammers with karma
<davidreiss666> with evidence that they are really spammers
<davidreiss666> and I get no response
<agentlame> 'from the start' is relative.
* JustPassingThrough is now known as justboneringthrough
<agentlame> You forget when there was like five admins.
<davidreiss666> I don't know if they disgaree with me or just missed the message cause of lots of mod mail
<ForestL> davidreiss666, they need more people
<fritzly> "from a reasonable period of time"
<ForestL> that is the main problem
<davidreiss666> causse when they disagree they also say nothing.
<fritzly> communication is something they need to work on
<ForestL> again, most of the problems are because they are understaffed, and not much we can do to change that right now
<fritzly> We also get mod mails from admins saying "this is our idea we want to do with your sub" we agree and say we will help and we never hear back.
<fritzly> 2 different admins did that with /r/trees
<snarkypants> probably because using /r/trees as a platform for ideas is a bad idea from a business perspective
<fritzly> then they should approach us in the first place
<snarkypants> i sent them an idea once
<snarkypants> and the were like, hey lets talk more
<snarkypants> and then i never followed up
<snarkypants> so, it goes both ways, i guess
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<agentlame> ITT: the admins are a single, unified entity in all actions and statements.
<snarkypants> not a bad thing to be
<snarkypants> !mods askreddit
<redditBot> r/askreddit has 30 mods: krispykrackers, BritishEnglishPolice, PhilxBefore, jedberg, jamt9000, flyryan, nitrousconsumed, ll_shades, DEADB33F, karmanaut, Ooer, ImNotJesus, ducky-box, canipaybycheck, splattypus, noahjk, AutoModerator, GustavoFrings, roastedbagel, UnholyDemigod, herpderpherpderp, brownboy13, ani625, TheJackal8, sexrockandroll, CowJam, e36, pursuitoffappyness, xscz, and Iamducky
<snarkypants> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/17et79/i_was_just_told_alcohol_weakens_glass_by_a/
<snarkypants> what did this say
<snarkypants> are any of these mods even in here?
<Sems> yeah
<agentlame> I gonna be for real for a sec.  Do people not see the FUCKING INSANE irony of the mods shit on the admins circlejerk?  "They hide" "They don't respond" "They are one person" "They don't do shit" "The make rule changes without consulting us"
<agentlame> Do people here, of all fucking places, not see that?
<Sems> :)
<agentlame> It's literally mods being typical redditors to the admins.
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<snarkypants> hey, it's a business, and it is what it is
<fritzly> You saying you don't respond to people in mod mail agentlame?
<agentlame> No, but not every mod does.
<agentlame> And sometimes, when there is a big mess going on, we don't.
<agentlame> That's true of many subs.
<fritzly> there should be a response to people asking questions or they feel how we do now.
<fritzly> especially if they message multiple times
<agentlame> During the tech mess we were responding to like 1% of mod mail.
<snarkypants> sometimes when there is a big mess going on, some moderators get louder
<EnigmaBlade> to be fair, when there is a big mess 99% of modmail is "GO KILL YOURSELF FGTS"
<snarkypants> when is creq gong to be allowd in here anyways
<fritzly> agentlame if reddit turned into /r/technology I would consider that analogy as a valid one
<EnigmaBlade> and not worth responding to
<agentlame> fritzly: reddit.com mod mail is literally tech, just at all times, times 10000000000
<fritzly> They are getting paid, we are not.  Asking to be treated a bit more fairer isn't unreasonable
<MillenniumFalc0n> Is creq in defaultmods?
* MillenniumFalc0n goes to check
<agentlame> You have: trolls, sbanned users, people reporting mods, people demanding heads, mod reporting stuff and on and on and on.
<fritzly> agentlame, that should only encourage them to fix mod mail.  They been saying they would for years
<snarkypants> reddit is fluid, and I don't think you can really put your finger on it, and say exactly what it is or what it is becoming
<agentlame> fritzly: this conversation has nothing to do with mod mail.
<MillenniumFalc0n> Yes
<MillenniumFalc0n> Yes he is
<fritzly> that is disturbing mf
<MillenniumFalc0n> All default mods are in defaultmods
<fritzly> agentlame if mod mail was better they could communicate more efficiently
<snarkypants> MillenniumFalc0n!
<fritzly> to us
<MillenniumFalc0n> snarkypants!
<agentlame> Sigh... I think you entirely missed the point.
<agentlame> k.  mod mail
<ek_khiladi> hi
<snarkypants> MillenniumFalc0n, what are you saying yes to
<fritzly> agentlame the point was that we do not see the irony in complaining.
<fritzly> that is not ironic
<snarkypants> im not complaining about it
<MillenniumFalc0n> That creq is in defaultmods
<snarkypants> he should be
<agentlame> Not in 'complaining'... in literally every thing 'we' complain about.
<snarkypants> but does he know?
<snarkypants> why hasn't he joined #modtalk yet?
<agentlame> You can hang your hat on one of them.  But I was making a broader point.
<fritzly> the very least they could communicate when we need help, mod mail improvement would help that since I'm sure they are spammed.
<davidreiss666> Deimorz on the approved submitters situation
<davidreiss666> Looks like I actually broke this when I was getting everybody added initially after I started the bot up again. I'll fix it and get the bot to run through and add everyone that's backlogged.
<agentlame> fritzly: they are re-writing mod mail, along with 10000000000 other feature ~~demands~~requests.
<snarkypants> my guess is they would beed more money to invest in hiring more talent to make the improvements you are hoping for
<agentlame> And that's **really** not the crux of the issue.  Nor what I was saying.
<snarkypants> so they worked on improving advertising
<davidreiss666> I worked for a company once that had a top-5 projects list
<davidreiss666> there were 22 projects on the list
<fritzly> davidreiss666:  that means the younger admin just lied to you/responded without checking
<davidreiss666> I think "lied" is a loaded word there
<snarkypants> and adjusted default subreddits, and are anticipating growing ad revenue
<davidreiss666> but yes, they did
<snarkypants> and then when they have more money, they can hire more people
<fritzly> agentlame what is your broader point then?
<Sems> i see it, al o7 no worries
<agentlame> huh?
<fritzly> you said Im missing your broader point that you were trying to make.   pls explain
<agentlame> fritzly: how bad is your hard on to bitch about the admins when you're now complaining that someone who DID get an almost instant response, now got an incorrect one?
<fritzly> agaentlame: I am quickly losing faith in the admins.  The fact that the younger mod said their was a limit or /r/defaultmods reached it shows that they don't care enough about us to even look into a situation.
<fritzly> All Im asking is a bit of respect and they clearly are showing they don't care about us
<JustPassingThrough> lol this channel omg
<davidreiss666> I do think that guy who told me there was a limit to the number of approved-submitters should have at least looked into the situation a little
<fritzly> exactly
<davidreiss666> But he didn't.  He just blew me off with a "there must be a limit" answer
<redtaboo> maybe it was a mistake?
<davidreiss666> And didn't respond to me at all when I pointed out that there are other subreddits with more approved-submitters in them
<redtaboo> why assume the worst, that's what users do to us all the time
<fritzly> redtaboo, because deimorz confirmed there was a problem
<fritzly> after he was pied
<fritzly> pm'd
<redtaboo> so?
<ek_khiladi> hi
<davidreiss666> if it was a one-time thing, I would agree with you
<fritzly> so the first admin didn't even look into a problem brought to them
<redtaboo> how does that mean anyone lied or was blowingyou off?
<davidreiss666> And I think the word "lied" is a loaded term here
<fritzly> lied is strong but I can't think of a better word
<davidreiss666> but they did just jump to an assumption and then ignore me after that
<redtaboo> jesus, we only discovered an issue like an hour ago
* Sems eats popcorn
<fritzly> and they didn't care enough to investigate
<ek_khiladi> Sems: share the popcorn?
<fritzly> no respect
<Sems> k
<ek_khiladi> cool
* Sems shares popcorn
<ek_khiladi> *eats popcorn with Sems*
<ek_khiladi> Sems, they mad!
<Sems> i love modtalk
<ek_khiladi> me2
<snarkypants> what is an approved submitter limit
<fritzly> I don't think the admins realize that we (the mods) could come together and shut down the site.  If they keep down this rode it won't take much to make all the defaults private.  Once they start losing money their attitudes will surely change.
<JustPassingThrough> lol
<Sems> lol
<fritzly> it would obviously take much more than this to do that.  But don't rule out the possibility
<Sems> you make me laugh, fritzly
<Sems> never change, plz
<redtaboo> is this copypasta and i don't know it?
<redtaboo> or are you serious?
<greenduch> btw, its my understanding that a re-do of modmail basically requires an entire re-write of how commenting/pms/modmail works. its a large undertaking, and considering theres 1-2 admins who apparently work almost exclusively out of modmail, im sure its something they themselves would fucking love to see happen
<fritzly> Im just pissed.  I just spent 3 hours trying to cheer up my mom because her dad is dying.  Im not in the mood.
<fritzly> and I haven't sleep well in months
<greenduch> im sorry your mum's dad is dying. im not really sure what youre upset about wrt the admins, except that modmail is shit
<JustPassingThrough> 53Sems well tbf i still have an alt in JTT for no fucking reason i dont even know pls kill me, and they mentioned making the sub
<Sems> lol
<fritzly> redtaboo: thought IPs were per device and not per internet source
<JustPassingThrough> switching and IP takes very little effort
<Sems> meta subs still confuse the shit out of me. i've had people explain the circle subs a million times and i still don't get it
<JustPassingThrough> if making a new account isnt gonna stop em, better ban all of russia
<redtaboo> nope, entire building can be behind a single IP address
<davidreiss666> redtaboo, if we can only have tools that always work for the most decicated of trolls. Things that can only stop the James Bond of the troll world, then we shouldn't have any tools for anything
<davidreiss666> cuase such a tool can't even be imagined
<fritzly> JustPassingThrough: redtaboo isn't a fan of /r/oppression.  Thinks we are mocking people there.
<agentlame> fritzly: colleges and businesses are often subnetted off of a single IP.
<JustPassingThrough> wut
<redtaboo> fritzly you are mocking people
<agentlame> single *public* IP, pardon.
<fritzly> no
<greenduch> i dont think the admins even use IP bans
<relic2279> I think wikipedia once banned an IP, and it just so happened that an entire country used that IP, they accidentally banned the entire country of Qatar I believe
<greenduch> at least not strictly IP bans
<greenduch> its likely more complicated than that
<davidreiss666> the admins have used ip bans in the past
<greenduch> i feel like i recall intortus talking about it a while back
<redtaboo> satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
<agentlame> greenduch: they can do an IP ban that auto-sbanns new accounts from the same IP.
<JustPassingThrough> yeah well the qatarians had it coming for having a country that has such a cheap scrabble name
<agentlame> They almost never use it.
<davidreiss666> they have admitted to using them occasionally
<JustPassingThrough> >:C
<agentlame> That's what happen to Ides.
<JustPassingThrough> she moved to qatar???
<greenduch> no its not agentlame
<greenduch> her housemate's account wasnt touched
<JustPassingThrough> her housemate lives in qatar with her though
<greenduch> wat
<agentlame> Did they *create* a new account in that time?
<JustPassingThrough> with the whole country gone, the housemate would have definitely been banned
<fritzly> redtaboo: "or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or VICES"   We mock the act not the people
<redtaboo> in the process you mock the people
<fritzly> we never single out a user
<redtaboo> they aren't seperate things
<JustPassingThrough> youve singled out the entirety of qatar
<fritzly> cuz they suck
<JustPassingThrough> well ya
<fritzly> and oppressive
<redtaboo> except when you tell them to post their problems there from the help subreddits?
* JustPassingThrough is now known as JustQataringThrough
<fritzly> better than removing the post without reason
<redtaboo> that wasn't mocking the person?
<fritzly> No.  It was advertising
<redtaboo> lol
<fritzly> Plus those comments had legitimate advice the ops thanked me for it.
* JustQataringThrough is now known as JustPassingThrough
<fritzly> removing it 13 hours after did nothing but showed you have a bias against comedy /s
<redtaboo> or someone had just reported it?
<fritzly> Doesn't matter if someone reported it.  It didn't break the rules.
<fritzly> It also wasn't down voted
<redtaboo> lol
<fritzly> not like that played a factor but it shows people were not unhappy with it
<fritzly> redtaboo, can I redirect to /r/karmacourt or is no satirical subs allowed in the help subs?
<redtaboo> no subreddits like that, te help subreddits are for helping people not starting witch hunts
<redtaboo> karma court is good at those
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<fritzly> which hunts?
<fritzly> Who is talking about witch hunts?
<TomRiddle> karmacourt is great at starting witchhunts
<TomRiddle> remember when they made that video to say fuck you to a user?
<fritzly> Yeah
<fritzly> that isn't a witch hunt
<TomRiddle> ahh, goood times
<TomRiddle> tfw they are all neckbeards
<TomRiddle> http://www.reddit.com/r/cringe/comments/19192k/moderators_of_rkarmacourt_make_a_video_telling_a/ here
<fritzly> remember when NotAMethAddict was a mod there
<TomRiddle> seal of approval, fuck yeah.jpg
<JustPassingThrough> isnt karmakourt supposed to be roleplaying and not stupid
<TomRiddle> turns out he was like 12?
<greenduch> yeah JustPassingThrough but people think its real
<TomRiddle> in the video he looked like a kid
<redtaboo> JustPassingThrough it's supposed to be, but with all subreddits like that some people take it seriously
<greenduch> as far as i can tell, half the folks are roleplaying and the other half are witchhunting
<fritzly> its a parody of the real legal system adapted for reddit
<greenduch> shush redtaboo get out of my head you asshat
<agentlame> fritzly: oppression is a shit show.
<redtaboo> greatyellowshark no u
<fritzly> its funny
<greenduch> lel
<greenduch> #rekt, cant even hilight me right
<redtaboo> fak
<agentlame> fritzly: it's not if they are brigading subs.
<greatyellowshark> lol
<redtaboo> ilu greatyellowshark
<JustPassingThrough> #consider_yourself_wrecked,_friend
<agentlame> Which they (the mods) are.
<greatyellowshark> <3
<redtaboo> i hate u greenduch
<greenduch> ;_;
* greenduch sobs
<redtaboo> <3 im sry
<JustPassingThrough> D: but i like both u and greenduch I SUCK AT PICKING SIDES
<Addyct> .
<fritzly> agaentlame: I haven't seen any brigading.   Please show proof if you have it
<Forest|_> fight4life
<JustPassingThrough> 53ill just be here in the corner with sems and YoloSwagBot
<greenduch> oi dont leave weeedbot all by his lonesome!
<weeedbot> gotta love me!
<greenduch> i do luv, i do!
<JustPassingThrough> weeedbot is a strong independent bot man who dont need no like
<agentlame> fritzly: I didn't mean that as a debate.  I'm saying you might want to leave that sub, because mods are vote brigading.  I don't care if you stay or don't.
<Sems> \o/
<Sems> best corner
* titrc brigades agentlame
<Sems> we have popcorn, candy, and misogyny
<Sems> wait
<titrc> how does that feel?
<TomRiddle> Ok
<TomRiddle> I gotta rant about this again
<agentlame> If I see one more... meh. n/m
<TomRiddle> apologies
<TomRiddle> but how am I supposed to get karma at /r/spam? people just post then leave, not upvoting
<Sems> i have hilarity for you, jpt, you're gonna love it
<TomRiddle> that's a really broken system
<agentlame> lol... I have like -47 link karma in RTS.
<agentlame> 250 posts, most with one upvote.  And a single post right in the middle of the tesla mess. :/
<TomRiddle> ooh
<agentlame> Karma spends so easy.
<TomRiddle> so are we getting a spam button for the toolbox? that would be so much easier
<agentlame> TomRiddle: toolbox has always had one.
<HandicapperGeneral> yeah...
<TomRiddle> agentlame: a button to report it?
and click 'report spammer'.
<TomRiddle> ooh
<agentlame> Yis
<TomRiddle> i'll have to try that
<TomRiddle> RAGE you are doing that too much. try again in 7 minutes.
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<XavierMendel> TomRiddle: story of my life
<TomRiddle> by the time I do submit it, someone else will have reported it already
<TomRiddle> ;_;
<TomRiddle> y u do dis admins
<TomRiddle> y
<agentlame> They didn't.
<XavierMendel> 3 years and >200k combined karma, mods a bunch of subs
<XavierMendel> Fuck you untrustworthy piece of shit
<TomRiddle> lel
<XavierMendel> probably a spammer
<XavierMendel> playing the long con
<agentlame> maxwell?
<TomRiddle> >2 years >more than 100k karma >must be a spammer from india
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<XavierMendel> dohoho
<TomRiddle> ;________;
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<agentlame> I kid, I kid.  submitting spam is a mod action.  maxwell wouldn't do that!