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  1. Conversation with [email protected] at 3/9/2013 3:19:38 PM on [email protected]/Jabber (jabber)
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  3. (3:19:38 PM) [email protected]/home: Hi
  4. (3:19:41 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: hi
  5. (3:20:18 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: alpha thought you might need to talk to me - not sure what it is about - although i can imagine that there are a great many things
  6. (3:20:55 PM) [email protected]/home: How are you doing?
  7. (3:21:06 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I assume you mean Thorn.
  8. (3:21:41 PM) [email protected]/home: both
  9. (3:22:02 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: Honestly, after the dust cleared last night. We are doing great. I think people got a lot of frustration out on us that they justifiably needed to, WAC was saved, we got a bunch of capitals in on the fight and I think that people (those who we care about) were appeased that we tossed in and did our part.
  10. (3:22:40 PM) [email protected]/home: How many moons do you own in Querious (neo) and how many in Catch (neo)?
  11. (3:22:42 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I unfortunately was on night shifts the past two nights, so I was sitting on my phone at work trying to sort through all this crap. But I was happy we settled things.
  12. (3:23:01 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I think we have a total of 5
  13. (3:23:06 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 4 are in querious
  14. (3:23:08 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 1 in catch
  15. (3:23:31 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i don't handle that stuff directly, would have to check to be sure
  16. (3:24:13 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i am not off by more than a couple
  17. (3:24:29 PM) [email protected]/home: Can you check?
  18. (3:24:34 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: yeah looking as we speak
  19. (3:26:31 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 5
  20. (3:26:34 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 4 in querious
  21. (3:26:36 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 1 in catch
  22. (3:26:53 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: will confirm that 100% with our pos guy asap, but that is 99% sure
  23. (3:27:18 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: is there an issue?
  24. (3:27:45 PM) [email protected]/home: I'd like to do some space consolidation in general
  25. (3:27:52 PM) [email protected]/home: But I don't want to fuck people over doing it
  26. (3:28:13 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: if you are able to give me some idea what you have in mind, I can tell you how fucked over we'd be :)
  27. (3:28:37 PM) [email protected]/home: I'd like to give all TEST and THORN sov in Querious to Raiden - more or less
  28. (3:28:40 PM) [email protected]/home: Including the EMP systems
  29. (3:29:23 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: well if you gave them little delve
  30. (3:29:26 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we'd be pretty fucked
  31. (3:29:51 PM) [email protected]/home: What if I gave you neo outside of Querious
  32. (3:29:53 PM) [email protected]/home: out of my own pocket
  33. (3:30:03 PM) [email protected]/home: and paid you for the systems
  34. (3:30:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: it isn't the neo, it's a place to build supers, make isk, etc...
  35. (3:30:21 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: or JUST the neo I should say
  36. (3:32:09 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: it's 'home' if you will, not sure what their need for it is... I mean if I may be frank Monty, despite the shit that went down, THORN really does try very hard to be a good coalition member... we want to be involved WITH you guys. We roam with you, our fc's lead fleets for your guys (and are popular from what I understand). I guess what I am asking, is this punitive?
  37. (3:32:37 PM) [email protected]/home: If you keep B-7D and the rest of little Delve goes to TEST but you have space communsim?
  38. (3:33:03 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: are you asking us to live out of Catch?
  39. (3:33:15 PM) [email protected]/home: You can live out of B-7DFU if you want
  40. (3:33:23 PM) [email protected]/home: But I want our regions to become less balkanized
  41. (3:33:33 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I mean we ended up with all this space in Catch and Delve because no one wanted it. Because we were asked to take it, and now we're being asked to give up the only space we really want.
  42. (3:34:21 PM) [email protected]/home: Afaik you have double the number of Neo that Raiden does in Querious
  43. (3:35:35 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: i can't confirm that
  44. (3:35:43 PM) [email protected]/home: I'm pretty sure they have 2, tops 3
  45. (3:36:15 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: well little delve has 3, the new space 2
  46. (3:36:17 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: oops 1
  47. (3:36:38 PM) [email protected]/home: To be entirely frank - THORN has been fucking up quite often
  48. (3:36:42 PM) [email protected]/home: I really like THORN
  49. (3:36:53 PM) [email protected]/home: But I need some of these resources and strategic consolidation to make the coalition function better
  50. (3:38:41 PM) [email protected]/home: I don't think you can deny that you've had several problems over the past few weeks
  51. (3:39:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: We took space you asked us to take and never wanted. There are probably a dozen or more systems in Eso still with no hubs. We join coalition fleets, we fc coalition fleets, our numbers are decent most of the time now that we're back in the area.
  52. (3:39:37 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: And all we ever wanted
  53. (3:39:41 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: was the B-7 constellation
  54. (3:39:42 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: really
  55. (3:40:11 PM) [email protected]/home: 90% of the shit you did in Catch was entirely done independent
  56. (3:40:52 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I was told no one wanted the space, and I know someone approached Ender about taking more systems just to get them out of -A- hands.
  57. (3:41:10 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I am not saying there was no independent effort there - but at no point did anyone say "hey stop that"
  58. (3:42:40 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: in fact it was encouraged. Because we got the systems out of -A- hands.
  59. (3:43:13 PM) [email protected]/home: Is keeping B-7D adequate?
  60. (3:43:21 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: can we keep the constellation?
  61. (3:44:26 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we'll give up every piece of sov we own, catch included - that's fine - we don't want it, we just want that core constellation... that's all.
  62. (3:44:31 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: same space we started this with.
  63. (3:44:44 PM) [email protected]/home: No, I don't think so
  64. (3:44:56 PM) [email protected]/home: We can talk about space in Delve when you guys have less fuckups in the short term
  65. (3:45:38 PM) [email protected]/home: You are welcome to use Delve as well, I don't mind - but I want to consolidate Querious
  66. (3:45:49 PM) [email protected]/home: But doing so, I want to make it as acceptable as possible
  67. (3:48:02 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: I just don't see what RDN has done that we don't. Less fuck ups? Less risk too no? I mean - I am going to be frank. When the shit hits the fan and things get bad, and there is no space to be had anywhere - if it comes to that - THORN is far more likely to be at your back than RDN.
  68. (3:48:37 PM) [email protected]/home: Raiden has been doing a great job against the dudes in Stain
  69. (3:48:50 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: Lucian always says that he loves this coalition, no matter what goes down - primarily because we've always known we could rely on you to keep your word - and I just think this is a huge blow.
  70. (3:49:13 PM) [email protected]/home: Sometimes I have to make hard decisions
  71. (3:49:28 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: Do you want us out of the coalition? I mean is this an attempt to drive us out?
  72. (3:49:33 PM) [email protected]/home: No
  73. (3:50:04 PM) [email protected]/home: If I wanted you out, I'd just remove you
  74. (3:50:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: 5 systems. Only 4 more than you are offering us.
  75. (3:50:10 PM) [email protected]/home: But I don't
  76. (3:50:38 PM) [email protected]/home: I'm trying to reduce the TEST footprint in places - and this is part of that effort
  77. (3:50:45 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: and LWX?
  78. (3:51:00 PM) [email protected]/home: you can keep that, you can probably move into Delve outright if you want
  79. (3:51:06 PM) [email protected]/home: and we can talk about a Delve constellation in the future
  80. (3:51:11 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: and you can give us some moons?
  81. (3:51:15 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: so we can pay for shit
  82. (3:51:25 PM) [email protected]/home: We can give you moons in Stain
  83. (3:52:14 PM) [email protected]/home: But, long term, will need all of your systems in Querious
  84. (3:52:24 PM) [email protected]/home: We can discuss how to best sell that to membership and how to adequate compensate you guys
  85. (3:52:37 PM) [email protected]/home: Think about it, hit me up later - I don't want THORN out of the coalition
  86. (3:52:40 PM) [email protected]/home: and I enjoy you guys
  87. (3:52:43 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: so long term B-7 too>
  88. (3:52:44 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: dude
  89. (3:52:46 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: i enjoy you too
  90. (3:52:51 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: i miss having you in our public chat
  91. (3:53:04 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: and i'd hate to have to go back to blopsing your ratters - it got dull :)
  92. (3:53:06 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: lol
  93. (3:53:50 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: that's a joke - not a threat by the way :)
  94. (3:54:01 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: my sarcasm often translates poorly in text
  95. (3:54:02 PM) [email protected]/home: Yes - B-7 too
  96. (3:54:09 PM) [email protected]/home: I'm assuming you have shit in build
  97. (3:54:13 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: yes
  98. (3:54:25 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we have a titan worth of mins
  99. (3:54:30 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: long way out from being done
  100. (3:55:03 PM) [email protected]/home: Alright - think about this hit me up later.
  101. (3:55:11 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: ok buddy
  102. (3:55:35 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: one second...
  103. (3:55:42 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: any idea what you would eventually offer in delve?
  104. (3:55:48 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: so i can have a carrot?
  105. (3:55:50 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: to give people.
  106. (3:56:14 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: oh and what do you want us to do with Catch?
  107. (3:56:15 PM) [email protected]/home: I don't want to commit without having time to talk to Logistics
  108. (3:56:19 PM) [email protected]/home: Keep it
  109. (3:56:30 PM) [email protected]/home: Just defend the shit - don't fuck up
  110. (3:56:39 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: well if we want to make this work for us
  111. (3:57:04 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: just concerned that owning vast amounts of catch sets us up to piss people off
  112. (3:57:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: even if we do things right
  113. (3:57:25 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: if we wanted to give some up, would we be able to ?
  114. (3:57:27 PM) [email protected]/home: I can bankroll ihubs
  115. (3:57:32 PM) [email protected]/home: I'd talk to INIT about that
  116. (3:57:34 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: ok
  117. (3:58:01 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we are short hubs there as you can imagine - partly because i didn't think - and listened to people i shouldn't have
  118. (3:58:07 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i think we can handle it
  119. (3:58:35 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: we're lighting some fires and shit now - working hard on making changes
  120. (3:59:17 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: but i get your position, if you can get me an idea of what const we might get in delve, might make a sell easier
  121. (3:59:20 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: otherwise talk to you soon
  122. (3:59:33 PM) [email protected]/home: I just posted logistics about it
  123. (3:59:38 PM) Argus Sorn [THORN]: ok
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