MRA:

"but ignoring white male privilege makes you wrong."

Wow, normally i'd end a discussion right here, this is what makes me sick about feminism. You don't believe that being a white man is wrong, but you believe that we're all privileged by race and gender alone? Doesn't sound fascistic at all.

White Male Privilege? Really? What privileges? You don't even know me, you don't know what i've been through, or every white male you apply this ignorant shit has been through. You don't know if i'm thin, ugly, fat, dorky, bulky, stupid, or could be poor.

I could come from a foreign background and as such been a victim to racism. I could've been bullied in school for my looks. I could've been beaten for talking weird. I could've been shunned for liking stuff others don't. I could've been raped. I could've been assaulted. I could've been forced into going into war.

All those things could've happen to me, yet you dare say that i've a privilege on my gender alone.

That is so awfully insulting, you've really no idea what you're saying here.

"You're misrepresenting the law completely. It did not make it impossible for women to be charged with domestic violence, nor did it legalize murder."

Yet, the cases speak for themselves. When VAWA became active, suddenly the number of male victims of domestic voilence dropped and that of women increased. That's weird, isn't it? Also a nice way for organizations like NOW to benefit from it. "Look, there are far more female victims of domestic absuse!"

There are huge consequences if you read something like this:

[news.nationalpost.com]

I bet you never heard of examples like Mary Winkler either, the woman who shot her husband in 'selfdefense' ... or no, no wait, she wanted to talk to him, she said he forced her to wear slutty clothes, or something. Well what better way to start a discussion than with a shotgun? So yeah, he died and she got sentenced for 60 days, i wonder if the 10 women in the jury had anything to do with it? She was also given full custody of her children and appeared on Oprah. Hm, seems like crime only pays if you're a woman, which leads me back to the subject of privileges.

Let's list some of my privileges:

I'm forced to join the military and depending on the country i live in, forced to go to a war i don't necessarily approve of. Forced to risk my life, forced to kill people. Oh it is good to be a man.

The chance of me getting raped is indeed less likely, than that of a women, but I'm 3 times more likely to be assaulted.

IF i'm raped however, there are no crisis center for me, nor do people take it as serious, because most people don't even believe that this is a possibility. Hell, the fucking FBI doesn't even think it exists.

If i happen to come to a crisis center that is only for women (that is ALL OF THEM), any help will be refused. If i live in a third world country, where rape is being used as a weapon in war, this might have deadly consequences, as most of the men who are raped, will be raped by foreign objects, like screwdrivers.

Don't believe me?

[www.guardian.co.uk]

The same applies to domestice violence, which isn't anything like the number you spouted out. Don't believe me? Ask Erin Pizzey, one of the first women to open a women's refuges (women's shelters in the US). Soon Erin Prizzey discovered that most of the voilence was reciprocal. That both partners abuse each other in roughly equal rates.

Pizzey distinguishes between "genuine battered women" and "violence-prone women;" the former defined as "the unwilling and innocent victim of his or her partner's violence" and the latter defined as "the unwilling victim of his or her own violence." This study reports that 62% of the sample population were more accurately described as "violence prone." Similar findings regarding the mutuality of domestic violence have been confirmed in subsequent studies.

So the studies shouldn't be man vs woman, but violent vs non-violent people, but hey, what does feminism do, if not divide us?

Oh and by the way, for that statement, she was cast out of the 'sisterhood'. Death threats and boycotts as well as the killing of her dog by militant feminists were the results.

Continuing with the privileges:

If my house is on fire, my girlfriend is going to be rescued first and i'm going to be the last person that comes out of that building, if ever. I love my girl and i would die for her, not because she has a vagina, but because i love her.

Yet, this is what society expects of men. Dying for women is such a privilege.

Also the gender pay gap, really? The gender gap is not the result of rampant discrimination. Rather, it exists because men and women often work in different jobs, work different hours, and have different qualifications. When work experience, education, occupation, and hours of work are taken into account, the average woman makes 98 cents for every dollar earned by a man.

Men dominate fields like construction, manufacturing and trucking — jobs with higher personal risk (both in job security and safety), but with salary premiums to compensate. Women cluster in service industries, teaching, health care and the social services — jobs with fewer risks, more comfortable conditions, regular hours and greater flexibility. While radical feminists argue that women are socially pressured into these low-paying positions, the same argument can be made that men, pressured to be the bread-winner, sacrifice comfortable positions to make a better salary.

Continuing:

Men are 3 times more likely to commit suicide, especially if they just went through a divorce, yet no body talks about that.

Over 90% of the people dying at their work place are men. Again, no one seems to care.

Young boys are the losers of the school system, yet instead of asking ourselves why, it is celebrated, as a win for the girls!

Right, that's it for now. Of course i could talk to you about YOUR White female privilges, but i don't. I think it's insanely ignorant to assume every white person, or man/woman enjoys the same privileges.



Me:

"I think it's insanely ignorant to assume every white person, or man/woman enjoys the same privileges."

I never assumed that, but white male privilege is still a thing, and white me, on average, are born a step ahead of everyone else. Example: White felons have a better chance of being hired than black non-felons:

[thesocietypages.org]

"Men are 3 times more likely to commit suicide, especially if they just went through a divorce, yet no body talks about that."

I hear this a lot, but the emotional problems that men suffer because they lack expression are from the traditional gender roles imposed upon them by society. tradition says that men shouldn't show emotion, because it makes them "feminine."

"Over 90% of the people dying at their work place are men. Again, no one seems to care."

I would love some more workplace safety legislation, but the right wing, once again, disagrees.

"Young boys are the losers of the school system, yet instead of asking ourselves why, it is celebrated, as a win for the girls!"

Once again, strawman.

"While radical feminists argue that women are socially pressured into these low-paying positions, the same argument can be made that men, pressured to be the bread-winner, sacrifice comfortable positions to make a better salary."

Then you agree that societal gender roles are bad, the same thing that Feminists argue.

"The gender gap is not the result of rampant discrimination. Rather, it exists because men and women often work in different jobs, work different hours, and have different qualifications."

Another common misconception. The gender pay gap is used to describe men and women working the same jobs.

"If my house is on fire, my girlfriend is going to be rescued first and i'm going to be the last person that comes out of that building, if ever."

I know firemen, and this is bullshit.

"most people don't even believe [rape of men] that this is a possibility. Hell, the fucking FBI doesn't even think it exists."

I don't know where you're getting this from. Sounds like you pulled it out of your ass. Men, of course, are raped all the time, just not as much as women.

"The same applies to domestice violence, which isn't anything like the number you spouted out."

I got my statistics from the American Bar Association:

[www.americanbar.org]

"I'm forced to join the military and depending on the country i live in, forced to go to a war i don't necessarily approve of. Forced to risk my life, forced to kill people. Oh it is good to be a man."

Last time I checked I had female family members in the military. Also, America hasn't had a draft in half a century. If you want gender equality in the military, then Femenists are right there with you:

[www.pbs.org]

Also, regarding VAWA, once again, it did not give women the ability to legally kill their husbands. If you want anecdotes, check this out:

[www.huffingtonpost.com]

And this woman didn't even kill anyone. Did you also know that men benefited from VAWA? It's true:

[www.ncdsv.org]

Just because it's the Violence against WOMEN Act, it doesn't mean that male domestic violence victims are ignored.

"Of course i could talk to you about YOUR White female privilges, but i don't."

I'm a white man. I'm also poor, overweight, and suffer from several health problems, but I've never been harassed by cops, I've never had my ability to do my job questioned because of my gender or race, I've never heard anyone say that I'm obligated to have sex with them, I've never been sexually harassed, I've never been stopped on the street and frisked by police, and I don't have legislation that tells me what to do with my body.

As Louis C.K. said: If I could renew by whiteness every year, I would. Though I would also do the same with my gender.