[22:49:55] +Noble Kakyoin: Anyway yeah, the demon Giratina that absolutely flipped apophyll and ametrines environments
[22:50:01] +Noble Kakyoin: that's crazy
[22:50:05] +Bazаr🌀: oh yeah
[22:50:07] +Bazаr🌀: Giratina
[22:50:10] • pyrromanis flies at route 4
[22:50:11] espeon860: i have many places to explore when i download ep 16
[22:50:20] espeon860: when i get my computer repair
[22:50:35] +Noble Kakyoin: from what we know, Giratina was one of the causes of Spinels teleporting disaster as well
[22:50:43] +Bazаr🌀: Giratina is also able to copy the abilities of the PULSE mons
[22:50:49] +Noble Kakyoin: ^
[22:50:50] +Noble Kakyoin: This
[22:50:54] +Bazаr🌀: Abra started the teleporting
[22:51:01] +Bazаr🌀: but once it was defeated it stopped
[22:51:07] +Bazаr🌀: Giratina is doing this all now
[22:51:13] +Bazаr🌀: same with the B Wasteland
[22:51:13] pyrromanis: can someone confirm me, that we see absol at the railnet before we enter devon?
[22:51:17] entreflores: #blameTina
[22:51:19] +Bazаr🌀: Yes
AO Dealer joined; AO Dealer left
[22:51:33] Meteor Admin ZEL: yeah
[22:51:35] +Bazаr🌀: Ame's Absol is underground before Devon
[22:51:46] +Noble Kakyoin: Also, we now know of a drowned city near apophyll
[22:51:54] pyrromanis: ok, cause i didn't use flash and it wasn't visible
[22:51:58] +Noble Kakyoin: i really want to know more of it
[22:52:01] +Bazаr🌀: Reborn City used to be bigger
[22:52:08] +Noble Kakyoin: but as of rn it's just a dive quest
[22:52:12] +Bazаr🌀: Azurine Lake is the crater where the meteor crashed
[22:52:16] +Bazаr🌀: it buried half the city
[22:52:21] entreflores: blurb blurb blurb. got it aaaall written down
[22:52:56] pyrromanis: where exactly is her absol at route 4?
[22:52:58] +Bazаr🌀: If you follow the grand stairway underground to the bottom room
[22:53:02] +Noble Kakyoin: the waterfall
[22:53:04] +Noble Kakyoin: at the top
[22:53:06] +Bazаr🌀: you get to the water
[22:53:19] +Bazаr🌀: jump across the rocks until you're facing the waterfall
[22:53:24] pyrromanis: oh so it IS the same event as before
[22:53:27] +Bazаr🌀: with an Ill-Fated-Doll in your inventory
[22:53:30] +Bazаr🌀: yep
[22:53:40] +Bazаr🌀: It's just stronger and pushed a little later
[22:53:49] +Noble Kakyoin: Oooo wait baz
[22:54:04] +Noble Kakyoin: The meteor buried lots of the city right?
[22:54:12] +Bazаr🌀: it craterized most of it ye
[22:54:19] +Noble Kakyoin: And the meteor is behind the door under the city right?
[22:54:27] +Bazаr🌀: yep
[22:54:32] +Noble Kakyoin: Will we find Solaris's village behind the door?
[22:54:36] +Bazаr🌀: well, we think...
[22:54:51] +Bazаr🌀: We don't know if the meteor is under the stairway, or at the top of the Arc, or both
[22:55:03] +Noble Kakyoin: ^
[22:55:04] +Bazаr🌀: They're related somehow but we're not sure if they're the same thing
[22:55:18] +Bazаr🌀: The Arc was made by El's people tho
[22:55:18] +Noble Kakyoin: I honestly think both doors lead to the same place, but idk
[22:55:37] +Bazаr🌀: Which is why he was able to climb it so quickly
[22:56:25] pyrromanis: btw, do you know the lottery ticket prizes?
[22:56:35] pyrromanis: so far i only win max revives
[22:57:02] entreflores: best prize should be Master Ball
[22:57:53] %Njab: ball exp share ppup max revive full restore
[22:58:40] pyrromanis: a few more ppup would be nice
[22:58:59] +Bazаr🌀: so we need to know where the meteor is
[22:59:00] entreflores: they'll be in the E16 item guide
[22:59:06] +Bazаr🌀: and where the other door leads
[22:59:22] entreflores: also wait, which are the two doors you are talking about?
[22:59:33] +Bazаr🌀: Arc and Grand Stairway
[22:59:33] entreflores: the chapel door where we fight Ditto and?
[22:59:41] +Bazаr🌀: the white room
[22:59:57] +Noble Kakyoin: the room where you first meet solaris
[22:59:58] entreflores: where Solaris talks to us?
[23:00:01] +Bazаr🌀: mhm
[23:00:11] +Bazаr🌀: We don't know which door leads to the meteor
[23:00:11] entreflores: we know where that doos leads tho
[23:00:15] +Bazаr🌀: and where the other goes to
[23:00:20] +Bazаr🌀: or if they both lead to the meteor
[23:00:23] +Bazаr🌀: ... or neither
[23:02:07] entreflores: Baz, the door where Solaris talks to us leads to the corridor that leads to the ground level of the chapel
Meteor Admin ZEL left
[23:02:14] entreflores: or, so says logic
[23:02:27] +Bazаr🌀: We don't actually know where the Arc is relative to the city
[23:02:33] +Bazаr🌀: because of the dark tunnel between
[23:03:14] espeon860: does like absol can see the future or something?
[23:04:01] +Bazаr🌀: in the dex it says Absol appears before disasters to warn people about them
[23:04:28] +Bazаr🌀: People didn't know that at first, and just assumed it caused whatever disaster happens right after they appeared
[23:04:47] +Bazаr🌀: sooooo yeah, Absol knows when bad things are going to happen
[23:04:56] +Bazаr🌀: This one just happened to see a lot of shit
[23:04:58] espeon860: and many people have died
[23:05:10] espeon860: and it first appeared after corey was going to the bridge
[23:05:39] +Bazаr🌀: where all did we see it... corey's gym, pyrous mountain, devon underground...
[23:05:43] +Bazаr🌀: where else
[23:05:48] %Njab: waterfal
[23:05:49] pyrromanis: route 3
[23:05:53] espeon860: amaria gym
[23:06:04] +Bazаr🌀: (besides where you catch it obv)
[23:06:32] +Bazаr🌀: route 3... that's where all the bridges got broken
[23:06:38] +Bazаr🌀: ah, Eclipse, right
[23:06:41] pyrromanis: at route 3, before that meteor admin (name?) dies to sirius' chandy
[23:06:52] pyrromanis: eclipse right
[23:06:54] +Noble Kakyoin: ok so
[23:06:59] +Noble Kakyoin: is she actually dead?
[23:06:59] espeon860: i swear sirus is planing something
[23:07:04] espeon860: sirius
[23:07:15] +Noble Kakyoin: It hasn't said she's dead yet so i'm very angry
[23:07:15] +Bazаr🌀: Eclipse has no soul
[23:07:20] +Bazаr🌀: She's basically braindead
[23:07:30] %Njab: ^
+RBRN Alex left
[23:07:53] pyrromanis: i beleive we should also see absol before tara's death
[23:07:54] +Noble Kakyoin: Also where did Simon end up after talking to Eclipse's father?
[23:08:02] pyrromanis: but i don't know how that can happen :/
[23:08:08] +Bazаr🌀: He was with Meteor at Ametrine
[23:08:13] +Noble Kakyoin: that's before iirc
[23:08:23] +Bazаr🌀: Nope
[23:08:32] +Bazаr🌀: Eclipse dies right before you get to Charlotte's city
[23:08:37] +Noble Kakyoin: yeah
[23:08:43] +Noble Kakyoin: wait not simon
[23:08:45] +Noble Kakyoin: aster
[23:08:48] +Bazаr🌀: w8 no wut
[23:09:01] +Bazаr🌀: There's a thing where you can battle Aster right before Blake
[23:09:07] %Njab: simon has nothing to do with eclipse
[23:09:08] +Bazаr🌀: Only Aster because Eclipse died
[23:09:09] +Noble Kakyoin: Aster talks to eclipse's father after he gives you the HM for waterfall iirc
[23:09:28] %Njab: it depents on blake event
[23:09:39] +Bazаr🌀: Yeah, if you get Waterfall or not
[23:09:51] %Njab: and another thing you can get
[23:09:56] +Bazаr🌀: He took some of Eclipse' mons and its such a sad fight
[23:10:02] +Bazаr🌀: (even tho his teams OP)
[23:10:20] espeon860: guess he want to honor eclipse memory
[23:11:00] +Bazаr🌀: If he wants to honor her he'll turn on Meteor
[23:11:08] +Bazаr🌀: I can see Sirius killing him for that
[23:11:14] +Noble Kakyoin: anyway, have we seen aster any time after the conversation with eclipse's father? Or will he show himself again after we find a way to fix her up?
[23:11:42] pyrromanis: if she can be fixed
[23:11:48] +Bazаr🌀: He's in Labradora
[23:11:53] +Bazаr🌀: We can assume
[23:12:02] +Noble Kakyoin: nah man, he quit didn't he?
[23:12:14] +Noble Kakyoin: or is he stuck in there with meteor?
[23:12:28] +Bazаr🌀: I've never seen the convo with eclipse' dad
[23:12:34] +Noble Kakyoin: ah wait
[23:12:44] +Noble Kakyoin: he never said he quit meteor
[23:12:44] espeon860: it also where you can get the shiny charm
[23:12:48] +Noble Kakyoin: but i guess it's implied
[23:13:00] +Bazаr🌀: Nah
[23:13:17] +Bazаr🌀: Simon just quit, Ame wouldn't make 2 characters like that do the same exact thing
[23:13:29] +Bazаr🌀: Aster will try to sabotage Meteor from the inside
[23:13:35] +Bazаr🌀: and probably get killed for it :/
[23:14:00] +Bazаr🌀: so even if Eclipse gets revived by some way, it'll still be bittersweet
[23:14:05] +Noble Kakyoin: oooo you know what I really loved about this episode?
[23:14:11] +Bazаr🌀: Ame likes bittersweet things very much
[23:14:13] +Bazаr🌀: ?
[23:14:13] +Noble Kakyoin: We finally got introduced to Dark material
[23:14:25] +Noble Kakyoin: *technically that is
[23:14:28] entreflores: got any info on that Pyrr_
[23:14:34] +Noble Kakyoin: I do actually
[23:14:35] +Noble Kakyoin: lots
[23:14:41] entreflores: pm me? :3
[23:14:48] pyrromanis: tell here
[23:14:51] +Noble Kakyoin: nah, I can put it here
[23:14:58] +Bazаr🌀: ?
[23:15:09] +Noble Kakyoin: From what I've gathered, Dark Material can be found in three locations, and only these three, due to lore
[23:15:20] +Noble Kakyoin: The seven sanctum, and the two in Iolia valley
[23:15:52] +Bazаr🌀: oh right what's that stuff about
[23:16:00] +Noble Kakyoin: If you've been paying attention to the books in the seven sanctum, you'd know in order to open up the gate to something we need the six shining pillars and the three materials void of light
[23:16:47] +Bazаr🌀: so what's the 6 pillars
[23:17:00] +Noble Kakyoin: now ok, six pillars? I thought there were only 4 key stones? You're correct, but our answer lies in the two missing colors that can be seen in the room with the dark material
[23:17:15] +Noble Kakyoin: Everyone knows of the purple, red, azure and emerald pillars
[23:17:17] espeon860: o hear that we have to do a puzzle in ep 16
[23:17:22] entreflores: these are the colours of Arceus
[23:17:22] +Noble Kakyoin: but what about the gold and ivory ones?
[23:17:25] espeon860: how hard is it?
[23:17:26] +Bazаr🌀: haven't been in that room either :[
[23:17:44] +Bazаr🌀: Just remember that everything you do in the building is important
[23:17:50] +Bazаr🌀: Remember that, and you'll be fine
[23:17:55] +Bazаr🌀: And you gotta be quick
[23:18:01] +Noble Kakyoin: let me show you a little something
[23:18:46] +Noble Kakyoin: "So kind was light to show us mercy, That in its shade we festered heresy. Twixt three stones, each shaded void, Six pillars shone, their truth deployed: Emerald, Crimson, Violet, Gold, Azure and Ivory seal as told."
[23:19:05] +Noble Kakyoin: "Take heed of its prison, o ye foolish men, For the blackest beast lies at light's end."
[23:19:17] +Noble Kakyoin: -Light's End (A book found in the subseven sanctum)
[23:19:41] +Noble Kakyoin: >Three stones: The three pieces of Dark material
[23:19:55] +Noble Kakyoin: >Six pillars: The six pillars we see in the deepest sanctum room
[23:20:02] +Bazаr🌀: White and Yellow keys huh
[23:20:13] +Noble Kakyoin: Once we find all of these things
[23:20:18] +Noble Kakyoin: What's going to happen?
[23:20:20] entreflores: we've seen these pillars again tbh, they were out for the ritual
[23:20:24] entreflores: now they're back in storage
[23:20:25] +Bazаr🌀: the 6 can open the Arc
[23:20:37] +Bazаr🌀: can the base 4 open the white room?
[23:21:02] +Bazаr🌀: If I had to guess, I'd say the Meteor is in the Arc
[23:21:10] +Bazаr🌀: and El's town is behind the white room
[23:21:23] +Noble Kakyoin: the base 4 are what we need actually
[23:21:25] +Bazаr🌀: maybe one of the hidden keys is there
[23:21:47] +Noble Kakyoin: to quote a second book in the sanctum
[23:21:51] +Noble Kakyoin: "Behind stone doors, four pillars of light bind the New World to a shadow of our own."
[23:23:01] +Noble Kakyoin: I wanna know where the dark matter comes into play here
[23:23:26] pyrromanis: I DON'T THINK THEY WILL PLAY BIG ROLE
[23:23:31] pyrromanis: oops srry caps
[23:23:33] +Bazаr🌀: CAPS LOCK OOPS
[23:23:34] +Noble Kakyoin: it only takes 4 lights to open a door, but 6 and 3 dark matters to unleash a monster
[23:23:49] pyrromanis: since one ofthem is a sidequest and not in main quest
[23:24:01] +Noble Kakyoin: see but that's just it
[23:24:12] +Noble Kakyoin: Why would something so plot relevant be limited to a sidequest?
[23:24:40] +Noble Kakyoin: especially when it leads to two of the most important books in the game and 6 important pillars and 1 important item?
[23:24:42] pyrromanis: maybe we are just overspeculating?
[23:24:51] %Njab: I should start paying attention to books
[23:24:54] entreflores: because the other side has 3 DMsalready
[23:25:22] +Bazаr🌀: I wonder what role Giratina is going to have in the greater scheme
[23:25:53] +Noble Kakyoin: btw
[23:26:08] +Noble Kakyoin: any of you guys read that Destiny's End book hidden in the Beryl Library?
[23:26:22] +Bazаr🌀: once
[23:26:32] entreflores: I skimmed through it and kinda considered mumbo jumbo
[23:26:34] pyrromanis: i am here to play video games, not read books :P
[23:26:45] entreflores: predetetetetetermination, who gives a fuck
[23:26:54] %Njab: also that fortune teller thing was interesting
[23:27:15] +Noble Kakyoin: ^
[23:27:15] pyrromanis: i theorize that this is the 2nd universe
[23:27:26] pyrromanis: maybe lin wants to return to the old one
[23:27:36] pyrromanis: where we don't exist
[23:27:55] +Noble Kakyoin: that universe she talks about is incredible
[23:28:11] entreflores: tbh the medium in Jasper. Miss Direction. Misdirection. lel
[23:28:16] +Noble Kakyoin: for one, she describes Fern as the main character
[23:28:17] +Bazаr🌀: aaa I missed a lot
[23:28:19] +Bazаr🌀: fill me in
[23:28:41] +Noble Kakyoin: K so Ms. Direction tells us, Baz.
[23:28:59] +Noble Kakyoin: That in this universe where we don't exist, while jasper is still under attack by pulsegrowth
[23:29:09] +Noble Kakyoin: Fern steps up to the plate to save Jasper
[23:29:18] +Noble Kakyoin: He gathers many allies too
+ShаdowStar joined
[23:29:46] +Bazаr🌀: If not for us...
[23:29:47] +Noble Kakyoin: A man with spiked bracelets, a lady with azure hair, a girl with a sleeping star and a woman in a black and red suit
[23:30:11] +Noble Kakyoin: together they purge the roots from the city, fix the lake and stop the camerupt
[23:30:26] +Bazаr🌀: Cain, Amaria, Anna...
[23:30:47] +Noble Kakyoin: But soon after they purge these things... disaster strikes
[23:30:57] +Noble Kakyoin: The city streets crack open in fissures
[23:31:07] %Njab: azure hair wasn't a lady
[23:31:21] +Noble Kakyoin: spiked braclets splinter in the fissure below, shining armor strikes, azure hair is re-dyed red
[23:31:26] %Njab: that was cal
[23:31:36] +Noble Kakyoin: an enemy of fern's own blood stands against him, his sister
[23:31:57] +Noble Kakyoin: "And beaded hope breaks apart upon the tattered stones of a city forced to live up to its name once again."
[23:32:29] +Bazаr🌀: Titania is involved in the world being "reborn?"
[23:32:29] +Noble Kakyoin: "The sleeping star invokes a wish. From there, the suited girl disappears. And that future follows shortly after."
[23:32:45] +Bazаr🌀: who's the "woman in black and red"
[23:32:48] +Noble Kakyoin: and that's all we get
[23:33:11] +Bazаr🌀: the Big Top Ringleader is all I can remember
[23:33:12] +Noble Kakyoin: me and azery couldn't figure it out, we assumed it was titania or charlotte, but we don't know
[23:33:23] +Bazаr🌀: red and black suit
[23:33:25] pyrromanis: so anna wished a different future and jirachi created the 2nd universe where we exist
[23:33:34] +Bazаr🌀: ah, Charlotte
[23:33:34] entreflores: Shade
[23:33:36] +Noble Kakyoin: did it? i'm not so sure
[23:33:43] +Noble Kakyoin: it says woman @ody
[23:33:51] +Bazаr🌀: has a black tshirt with a pinkish jacket
[23:33:51] entreflores: ok, sorry
[23:33:54] +Bazаr🌀: thats possible
[23:33:55] +Noble Kakyoin: i'm inclined to believe shade is genderless...
[23:34:04] entreflores: I'm a little... right now
[23:34:06] +Bazаr🌀: Shade
[23:34:11] +Bazаr🌀: might be from the 1st universe
[23:34:20] +Bazаr🌀: some entity that wasn't reset in the "wish"
[23:34:31] +Bazаr🌀: That would explain how he knows so much
[23:34:52] pyrromanis: where exactly is the 3rd dark material?
[23:35:02] +Noble Kakyoin: there's two in iolia
[23:35:09] +Bazаr🌀: rock climb?
[23:35:10] +Noble Kakyoin: and one in the room with el's journal
[23:35:11] pyrromanis: found the one up the waterfall
[23:35:15] +Noble Kakyoin: you need rock climb yes
[23:35:18] +Noble Kakyoin: it's behind luna
[23:35:23] +Bazаr🌀: ah
[23:35:33] +Bazаr🌀: I'm curious what Iolia Valley actually is
[23:35:38] +Bazаr🌀: there's some secret to it
[23:36:11] entreflores: I'm more interested in the City from another dimension
[23:36:17] +Noble Kakyoin: ^
[23:36:24] +Noble Kakyoin: see, it's a city just like ours
[23:36:32] +Bazаr🌀: [16:31] +Noble Kakyoin: spiked braclets splinter in the fissure below, shining armor strikes, azure hair is re-dyed red
[23:36:34] +Noble Kakyoin: except... we just aren't there
[23:36:45] +Bazаr🌀: Cain... falls into the fissures?
[23:36:53] entreflores: Pyrr, I mean Agate
[23:36:57] +Bazаr🌀: Shining Armor is Titania?
[23:36:58] +Noble Kakyoin: AHHHHHHHH
[23:37:00] +Noble Kakyoin: ok ok
[23:37:05] +Noble Kakyoin: agate is interesting
[23:37:17] +Noble Kakyoin: i'll get to it in a sec
[23:37:29] entreflores: I thought earlier that it was a leftover Reborn city from eons ago or something
[23:37:48] +Bazаr🌀: the Ringleader... obtained her role after her successful father died right?
[23:37:54] +Bazаr🌀: do we know anything else about her
[23:37:56] +Noble Kakyoin: There is one thing i find a little funny about the re-dyed hair
[23:38:16] +Noble Kakyoin: in the world we're in, we can assume cal's hair has been red for a long while
[23:38:25] +Bazаr🌀: mhm
[23:38:28] +Noble Kakyoin: but then he un-dyes it
[23:38:44] +Bazаr🌀: ye
[23:39:02] pyrromanis: hhhmmm the fortune teller says "a taciturn woman in a black and red suit"
[23:39:15] pyrromanis: titania isn't that taciturn
[23:39:20] +Noble Kakyoin: ehhh
[23:39:21] +Noble Kakyoin: (of a person) reserved or uncommunicative in speech; saying little.
[23:39:25] +Noble Kakyoin: ^Taciturn
[23:39:59] pyrromanis: last time i remember titatnia talking a lot, especialy about her feelings and such
[23:40:03] entreflores: Miss Shade?
[23:40:17] entreflores: universes can have differences between each othe
[23:40:28] +Bazаr🌀: Tania wears red pants and a white t shirt
[23:40:45] +Bazаr🌀: tank top, rather
[23:41:29] pyrromanis: "from there, the suited girl disappears"
[23:41:46] pyrromanis: so it is confirmed the black and red suit woman isn't in this universe
[23:41:54] +Bazаr🌀: hold up
[23:41:56] pyrromanis: so maybe it is shade?
[23:42:05] +Bazаr🌀: Cain doesn't have bracelets at all
[23:42:10] +Bazаr🌀: Who is "spiked bracelets" then
[23:42:23] +Bazаr🌀: I've checked his sprites
[23:42:26] +Bazаr🌀: nothin
[23:42:32] +Noble Kakyoin: baz
[23:42:34] +Noble Kakyoin: Arclight
[23:42:44] +Bazаr🌀: ah, mk
[23:42:50] +Bazаr🌀: that works
[23:43:00] +Noble Kakyoin: So then... Are we headed towards that worlds future again?
[23:43:14] +Bazаr🌀: well if that happens
[23:43:19] +Noble Kakyoin: We've made basically the same allies as fern and we've finally fixed up reborn
[23:43:25] pyrromanis: "and chase fire from the mountain peaks" is this about the PULSE camerupt?
[23:43:28] +Noble Kakyoin: ^
[23:43:29] +Noble Kakyoin: yes
[23:43:44] +Bazаr🌀: no wait
[23:43:49] pyrromanis: then why she mentions it after the water was cleansed?
[23:43:51] +Bazаr🌀: what if that's Azurine Mountain its talking about
[23:44:01] +Bazаr🌀: it used to be a volcano
[23:44:08] +Bazаr🌀: they "chased the fire" out of it
[23:44:20] +Noble Kakyoin: that would mean they fought off giratina
[23:44:23] +Noble Kakyoin: or used it
[23:44:35] +Bazаr🌀: Or caused the change before Giratina did
[23:44:45] +Noble Kakyoin: i'm more inclined to believe it's apophyll
[23:44:52] +Noble Kakyoin: since it's nearly an identical world
[23:44:58] +Noble Kakyoin: and the pulse conflict is going on
[23:45:10] +Bazаr🌀: "spiked braclets splinter in the fissure below, shining armor strikes, azure hair is re-dyed red"
[23:45:17] +Bazаr🌀: I think Arclight was supposed to die in Devon
[23:45:19] +Noble Kakyoin: Shining armor strikes
[23:45:31] +Noble Kakyoin: As we know, Titania is going to play a big role next episode
[23:45:44] +Bazаr🌀: and we get Cal v Blake one more time
[23:45:49] +Bazаr🌀: and it might end badly for Cal
[23:45:50] +Noble Kakyoin: and the next episodes preview quote literally says
[23:45:54] +Noble Kakyoin: "Shining armor"
[23:45:55] entreflores: amen to that Baz
[23:46:22] +Bazаr🌀: I'm still wondering
[23:46:26] pyrromanis: also: she 1st says "azure hair is re-dyed red" and right next "an enemy of his own blood stands before him"
[23:46:27] +Bazаr🌀: why they took Arc's eye
[23:46:34] pyrromanis: so that should be blake
[23:46:34] +Noble Kakyoin: And actually... as far as we know...
[23:46:43] +Noble Kakyoin: This could very well be the second universe
[23:46:52] +Bazаr🌀: or it could mean Florinia facing Fern
[23:46:56] pyrromanis: cause "his" refers to cal and not fern
[23:46:58] +Noble Kakyoin: Destiny's End states this is likely the only universe with Arceus in it
[23:47:34] entreflores: wait
[23:47:38] +Bazаr🌀: so Nostra created Arceus?
[23:47:42] entreflores: is that Diego Brando's music?
[23:47:46] +Bazаr🌀: We know Nostra created us
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[23:47:59] +Noble Kakyoin: what we know is
[23:48:00] pyrromanis: WAIT!
[23:48:05] +Noble Kakyoin: When arceus created this universe
[23:48:06] +Bazаr🌀: Wait guys
[23:48:07] entreflores: is the adult Lin Lin from another universe?
[23:48:10] +Noble Kakyoin: it created the means to create itself
[23:48:13] pyrromanis: what if Shade, is OUR shade????
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[23:48:21] +Bazаr🌀: What if we're the Golden Key
[23:48:34] pyrromanis: we are the one who is Taciturn
[23:48:36] +Bazаr🌀: Anna said we're glowey, she knows we're special
[23:48:43] +Noble Kakyoin: "When the world as we know it was created, it was given form. At that time, so did that which created it give itself a form."
[23:48:45] +Bazаr🌀: she just doesn't know how because its not the same her
[23:48:47] pyrromanis: we only say yes or no
[23:48:51] +Noble Kakyoin: This is the Pokemon we know as Arceus.
[23:49:08] +Bazаr🌀: so... Nostra is Arceus confirmed? :3
[23:49:09] pyrromanis: and Shade is actualy us from the past universe
[23:49:28] +Noble Kakyoin: baz hold on one sec, I'm putin more of the book in here
[23:49:52] +Bazаr🌀: Shade wearing the red n black suit could be
[23:50:05] +Noble Kakyoin: "And so at that time did that which created this world also create a means for its new form to have been itself created. This, of course, following all the laws of physics that Arceus was writing into place, must have been the
[23:50:05] +Noble Kakyoin: meteor."
[23:50:41] +Noble Kakyoin: "The meteor enshrined below Reborn is often said to be that upon which Arceus first came to this world. And while every piece of physical evidence would verify that claim,"
[23:51:14] +Noble Kakyoin: "In reality, it was only constructed to serve that purpose in whatever retrospect may have existed before the process of time was created. Those astronomic and geological events that would set such a meteor in motion so as to crash onto our planet,"
[23:51:29] +Noble Kakyoin: "Were all determined long after they must have occured."
[23:51:55] +Bazаr🌀: so Elias knows the world we're in is only a copy
[23:51:57] +Noble Kakyoin: "Therefore, what is not to say that this world that we are experiencing is the same? Every event set into motion as we know it, is simply a logical outcome of what happened in the past,"
[23:52:09] +Bazаr🌀: he also knows the meteor is at fault
[23:52:10] +Noble Kakyoin: "And what must happen in the future for Arceus to be realized."
[23:53:01] +Bazаr🌀: so whatever being is in the meteor is what reset the universe
[23:53:07] +Noble Kakyoin: "But Arceus is not complete. And so at that time did that which created this world also create a means for its new form to have been itself created. This world is that means. Arceus will complete itself yet."
[23:53:07] +Bazаr🌀: it created Arceus and the PC
[23:53:41] +Noble Kakyoin: "Until it does, each and every one of us, Each molecule in this constructed world, Each thought in our predetermined lives, Is just a means to Destiny's End."
[23:53:51] pyrromanis: what about the baby arceus T3RR4 mentions?
[23:53:54] +Noble Kakyoin: So we're basically caught in a time loop?
[23:54:01] +Bazаr🌀: That's what El thinks
[23:54:09] +Bazаr🌀: or believes, rather
[23:54:15] +Noble Kakyoin: Where Anna wishes on her star to recreate the universe over and over
[23:54:29] +Bazаr🌀: Either he'll use Arceus to stop Anna's wish
[23:54:35] +Bazаr🌀: or he'll reset the world himself
[23:54:53] entreflores: as far as we know, the latter
[23:55:01] pyrromanis: imagine Ame put an option where Anna will ask us if she should make the wish or not
[23:55:11] pyrromanis: and we say yes, and we get a new game :P
[23:55:27] +Noble Kakyoin: I imagine it wouldn't be the exact same though if it reset
[23:55:38] +Noble Kakyoin: For one, after the first loop, we were added into the mix
[23:56:04] +Bazаr🌀: Nostra made us to break the loop
[23:56:05] pyrromanis: so about the voice in the arc? who was that? arceus? nostra?
[23:56:09] entreflores: Pyrr, we'll propably be Emporio
[23:56:11] +Bazаr🌀: or maybe Elias did before us
[23:56:14] +Noble Kakyoin: hell ye dog
[23:56:19] +Noble Kakyoin: Emporio best Jojo
[23:56:39] entreflores: and stop the madness before the world recreates itself
[23:56:53] +Bazаr🌀: Maybe Elias figured out the loop and used Arceus to change the time loop by adding us?
[23:57:05] +Noble Kakyoin: So that begs the question
[23:57:17] +Noble Kakyoin: Are we helping to stop the loop for a good purpose or an evil one?
[23:57:34] pyrromanis: so maybe elias was right in citae de arc?
[23:57:38] +Noble Kakyoin: so far we've caused a lot of bad and good
[23:57:47] +Bazаr🌀: Look at Undertale for reference of loops
[23:57:56] +Bazаr🌀: So we want to play the same sick killing game over and over
[23:58:06] +Bazаr🌀: Or do we want to move on to different things, for better or worse?
[23:59:23] pyrromanis: so if lin was also in the orphanage, how did she escape in this universe? how she kept her memories from the other universe?
[23:59:49] +Noble Kakyoin: actually... was lin caught in the effects of the loop?
[23:59:56] +Bazаr🌀: And in Danganronpa 2 (another game Ame would likely base things off of) the main character decides to risk the future instead of playing the same killing game over and over
[00:00:20] +Bazаr🌀: Is there evidence Lin knows about the other universes?
[00:00:29] pyrromanis: she knows the sisters
[00:00:44] pyrromanis: the sisters have bizzare memories from the other universe
[00:00:52] +Bazаr🌀: hm?
[00:01:07] pyrromanis: maybe the shock therapy has to do something with that?
[00:01:20] +Bazаr🌀: what memories do they have
[00:01:31] entreflores: I still believe that there is an age difference between Lin the orphan and Lin the Leader
[00:01:33] +Noble Kakyoin: laura has memories of the eights thing
[00:01:47] pyrromanis: lin seems familiar to them, to a little girl they used to knwo
[00:01:55] +Bazаr🌀: eights?
[00:02:04] +Noble Kakyoin: everyone says lin looks familiar, but nobody knows her except Sigmund
[00:02:19] pyrromanis: does even sigmund remembers her?
[00:02:20] entreflores: and Laura if you team up
[00:02:22] +Noble Kakyoin: whenever laura had eight of something, lin would take the eighth thing away
[00:02:38] +Bazаr🌀: Doesn't she have 8 circles of flowers
[00:02:42] +Noble Kakyoin: yes
[00:02:43] +Bazаr🌀: in the Cove
[00:02:44] pyrromanis: lin was kind of a bully for laura in orphanage
[00:02:51] +Noble Kakyoin: Everyone seems to remember orphan Lin
[00:03:02] +Noble Kakyoin: and how she was younger than all of them even
[00:03:08] +Bazаr🌀: hm
[00:03:11] +Noble Kakyoin: but then how is this lin so much older?
[00:03:12] +Bazаr🌀: Whoever said
[00:03:18] +Bazаr🌀: that Anna was the one who made the wish?
[00:03:33] +Bazаr🌀: What if Lin wished herself into a reset universe?
[00:03:49] +Bazаr🌀: She could fall into new universes over and over
[00:04:04] +Noble Kakyoin: that would mean she stole nostra from anna... right?
[00:04:04] +Bazаr🌀: Aging normally, even though everyone else resets
[00:04:08] pyrromanis: but how she gets nostra at her hands?
[00:04:23] +Noble Kakyoin: or is she the one shade originally gave nostra too?
[00:04:38] pyrromanis: shade gave nostra?
[00:04:41] +Bazаr🌀: yes
[00:04:47] +Bazаr🌀: Anna got Nostra from him
[00:04:50] pyrromanis: where do we learn that?
[00:05:05] +Noble Kakyoin: TV interview iirc
[00:05:11] +Bazаr🌀: Shade seems indifferent about Lin
[00:05:16] +Bazаr🌀: because her death is in his gym
[00:05:22] +Noble Kakyoin: i believe anna mentions it in the underground railnet too
[00:05:24] +Bazаr🌀: and he brings no special attention to her
[00:05:41] +Bazаr🌀: If Lin were a danger to shade, he would make us stop her
[00:05:45] pyrromanis: i want to beleive SHade is the shadow of someone
[00:05:54] +Bazаr🌀: Shade is definitely from another universe
[00:06:07] +Bazаr🌀: Probably some glitch or failsafe from the resets
[00:06:15] pyrromanis: yes, a shadow from another dimension
[00:06:24] +Noble Kakyoin: >Shadow of another dimension
[00:06:29] pyrromanis: ;]
[00:06:30] +Noble Kakyoin: FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT
[00:07:24] +Noble Kakyoin: fuck i cant find it anymore
[00:07:32] pyrromanis: find what?
[00:07:37] +Noble Kakyoin: there's text in the game that mentions this world is a shadow of another one
[00:07:49] +Bazаr🌀: [16:22] +Noble Kakyoin: "Behind stone doors, four pillars of light bind the New World to a shadow of our own."
[00:08:06] +Noble Kakyoin: ^
[00:08:24] +Noble Kakyoin: although idk if that one has to do with thi
[00:08:27] +Noble Kakyoin: *this
[00:08:32] +Bazаr🌀: Everything's related in the end
[00:08:40] pyrromanis: shade is from the other side of the door?
[00:08:52] +Noble Kakyoin: who knows
[00:08:53] +Bazаr🌀: El is just trying to figure out how the other universes work
[00:08:58] pyrromanis: and why he needed corey's body?
[00:09:00] +Bazаr🌀: But he's one of the few who knows about them
[00:09:13] pyrromanis: is still corey alive behind the door?
[00:09:18] +Bazаr🌀: Whatever is beyond that door is keeping Shade here
[00:09:49] +Noble Kakyoin: I wonder what Shade is really
[00:09:50] pyrromanis: anyone has shades rhyme from episode 15?
[00:09:57] +Bazаr🌀: He knows about the 4 deaths in his gym because he's seen them over and over again
[00:10:01] pyrromanis: something about only 2 die?
[00:10:08] +Bazаr🌀: He said 2 lives will be taken
[00:10:12] +Bazаr🌀: but all will lose something
[00:10:14] +Bazаr🌀: basically
[00:10:22] +Bazаr🌀: Amy lost her memory
[00:10:29] +Bazаr🌀: and probably her relation to Tania
[00:10:57] +Noble Kakyoin: "Four screens foretold four souls' fortune forsaken, For, forsooth, from foreshadowed, only two will be taken."
[00:11:04] +Noble Kakyoin: So on this note about shade
[00:11:12] +Noble Kakyoin: Where did he get his teleporting powers from?
[00:11:21] +Bazаr🌀: Also, if Lin's the one who can Wish
[00:11:35] +Bazаr🌀: That would explain how her "fortune" could be saved
[00:11:44] pyrromanis: he is a shadow, teleportation doesn't seem weird to me :P
[00:12:10] +Noble Kakyoin: Hmmmm... The small girl at the arc could be orphan lin right?
[00:12:40] pyrromanis: and we hear her from behind the door?
[00:12:44] +Bazаr🌀: ... Adrienn
[00:12:52] +Noble Kakyoin: Adrienn was trapped there for years and never aged, would it make sense if she never aged there too?
[00:13:11] +Bazаr🌀: xyr time loop thing has to be involved in the resets
[00:13:37] +Bazаr🌀: no, if young Lin were in the Arc
[00:13:53] +Bazаr🌀: she would be normal age anyways
[00:14:08] +Bazаr🌀: because everyone at the orphanage remembered Lin being much younger than she is now
[00:14:26] +Bazаr🌀: so young Lin would be the Lin from this universe
[00:14:34] +Bazаr🌀: and old Lin could be the one that jumps from reset to reset
[00:14:34] pyrromanis: what civilization ended when giratina came?
[00:14:57] +Bazаr🌀: she could've kidnapped her younger self and put her in the Arc
[00:15:05] +Bazаr🌀: to prevent paradoxes or somethin
[00:15:16] +Bazаr🌀: ... although that's all this is really
[00:15:20] +Bazаr🌀: one enormous paradox
[00:16:17] +Noble Kakyoin: So what plot revelation will we get next episode?
[00:16:28] +Bazаr🌀: tanias involvement
[00:16:34] +Bazаr🌀: probably Blake vs Cal
[00:16:34] +Noble Kakyoin: I highly doubt any kind of plot revelation could tackle something as big as this one tbh
[00:16:59] +Noble Kakyoin: maybe the final one that explains it all, but quite a few pieces are still missing
[00:17:31] +Bazаr🌀: Tania will be next ep
[00:17:34] +Bazаr🌀: Hardy on 18
[00:17:35] pyrromanis: well, consider all this info just teasing, since they are from sidequests
[00:17:42] +Bazаr🌀: I wonder where Amy will be
[00:17:50] +Bazаr🌀: cuz one ep has 2 leaders in it
[00:17:59] pyrromanis: so if we get plot revelation, all these will be restated
[00:18:05] entreflores: Rust thicker than Water
[00:18:11] entreflores: we propably get em both
[00:18:15] +Noble Kakyoin: it could be both yeah
[00:18:23] +Noble Kakyoin: we are due for a two leader episode after all
[00:18:28] pyrromanis: 1v2 at the same match! let's go :P
[00:18:29] +Bazаr🌀: then again, Hardy and Tania are siblings
[00:18:40] +Bazаr🌀: they could be in the same ep even
[00:18:50] +Bazаr🌀: a bit of a stretch tho
[00:19:01] +Noble Kakyoin: we won't get to hardy until we get rock climb
[00:19:22] +Noble Kakyoin: As we know, there's much more to route 4 that we haven't explored yet
[00:19:25] +Bazаr🌀: We still have to deal with PULSE Claw, Hypno, and Mime
[00:19:29] entreflores: We're getting to the desert next ep. to fight Hardy we have to deal with both Agate and Labradorra
[00:19:45] +Noble Kakyoin: it's currently theorized that the upper part of route 4 will lead to the sleeping pulse
[00:19:56] +Noble Kakyoin: and we'll enter agate via waterfall and dive
[00:20:14] +Noble Kakyoin: or we may get to the pulse via waterfalling and diving through agae
[00:20:29] pyrromanis: does anyone have the hand-draw map of reborn?
[00:20:47] pyrromanis: ame removed the photo from the home page
[00:20:57] ~Blιnd gυardιan: it used to be on the site but after everything moved around idk if she put it back up
[00:20:58] ~Blιnd gυardιan: lemme see
[00:21:18] pyrromanis: it isn't where it was before at least
[00:21:35] +Noble Kakyoin: anyway, take a good look at agates map
[00:21:36] +Noble Kakyoin: https://snag.gy/5ur73t.jpg
[00:21:46] +Bazаr🌀: the map's a 404 error right now dan
[00:22:00] +Bazаr🌀: I see it on google images but I can't view it up close
[00:22:06] +Noble Kakyoin: all of those waterfalls and dive spots lead back to one accesible point on agates map
[00:22:50] +Bazаr🌀: http://www.rebornevo.com/forum/index.php?/topic/2078-reborn-map-full/
[00:22:54] +Noble Kakyoin: Take a look at the cities PC, go up the stairs to the right and between the tree. That small pathway of water there
[00:23:02] +Noble Kakyoin: loops all the way around
[00:23:05] +Noble Kakyoin: and out of the area
[00:23:21] pyrromanis: agate actualy reminds me of reborn itself!
[00:23:28] ~Blιnd gυardιan: that link is wrong
[00:23:40] +Bazаr🌀: I know
[00:23:44] +Bazаr🌀: but the link in that thread
[00:23:51] +Bazаr🌀: http://rebornevo.com//rebornmap.png
[00:24:02] ~Blιnd gυardιan: here: http://www.rebornevo.com/images/pr/rebornmap.png
[00:24:04] +Noble Kakyoin: as of rn, the order we climb those waterfalls are going to be: Right, left, middle into agate
[00:24:15] +Noble Kakyoin: or middle, left, right. Out of Agate
[00:24:49] pyrromanis: ty dan!
[00:24:51] ~Blιnd gυardιan: ya
[00:25:26] pyrromanis: ok, so giratina is hiding in the wasteland
[00:25:33] +Noble Kakyoin: so let's go over the areas we haven't been to yet
[00:25:35] +Bazаr🌀: I miss the X gates
[00:25:38] +Bazаr🌀: :L
[00:25:44] pyrromanis: me too baz :(
[00:25:50] +Noble Kakyoin: Desert and all thing in it, Suspicious House, Glass Workshop, Labradorra
[00:25:52] pyrromanis: they teased us so much...
[00:25:58] +Bazаr🌀: Ferris Wheel
[00:26:12] +Bazаr🌀: We still haven't seen the Ferris Wheel
[00:26:15] pyrromanis: what 1R253 means?
[00:26:29] pyrromanis: is in front of scrapyard
[00:26:58] entreflores: irz_e
[00:27:37] pyrromanis: or ir_se
[00:28:04] +Bazаr🌀: irzse
[00:28:31] pyrromanis: this is where i'd love to have a terra's dialogue :P
[00:28:42] ~Blιnd gυardιan: fwiw the map is incredibly dated at this point and there is no guarantee that they are all going to be playable areas
[00:28:59] +Noble Kakyoin: most have been so far though
[00:29:08] +Bazаr🌀: I've heard they might scrap the glass workshop and suspicious house
[00:29:09] ~Blιnd gυardιan: yes, I know this
[00:29:11] +Noble Kakyoin: i hope nothing gets scrapped
[00:29:13] +Noble Kakyoin: ;]
[00:29:16] ~Blιnd gυardιan: but I am saying that does not mean they are all going into the game
[00:29:28] pyrromanis: we know that dan, but at least we can get information about waht ame had planned for reborn :]
[00:29:31] ~Blιnd gυardιan: their existence in-universe notwithstanding
[00:30:21] +Bazаr🌀: we won't get any good information out of dan
[00:30:32] +Bazаr🌀: our best bet is to interrogate Ame
[00:30:41] ~Blιnd gυardιan: that is almost insulting
[00:30:57] +Bazаr🌀: she might give enough cryptic clues for us to make answers
[00:31:05] +Bazаr🌀: I'm almost sorry dan :(
[00:31:12] pyrromanis: or more of shade's rhymes :P
[00:33:16] pyrromanis: i'm still curious which civiliztion was vanished when giratina came...
[00:33:55] +Noble Kakyoin: presumably the one that drowned after apophyll's ice melted
[00:34:46] +Bazаr🌀: that'd make sense
[00:34:51] pyrromanis: but the man who study reborn's history 1st mentions that civilization was vanished and after giratina calmed down the snow melted
[00:35:09] +Bazаr🌀: giratina caused the mountains to switch, so apophyll mountain melting into the crater to form a lake
[00:37:02] +Noble Kakyoin: it doesn't really say it happened after
[00:37:10] pyrromanis: "legends of an old civilization say the day their civilization ended was the day that giratina came in reborn"
[00:37:11] pyrromanis: "they say the dragon was in a frenzy, and all around it bizarre things would happen"
[00:37:34] espeon860: wonder when we get the two other stickers
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[00:37:44] +Noble Kakyoin: right, but his opening statement is that ametrine and pyrous were swapped roles at first
[00:38:02] +Noble Kakyoin: "According to the stories, by the time the dimensional warrior finally settled in the south-east of the region, its chaos had already sealed the fate of Reborn."
[00:38:15] pyrromanis: "objects would disappear, lands would be spun upside down, and whole towns were transported across the region in the blink of an eye"
[00:38:16] +Noble Kakyoin: he never gives us an actual timeline of when things happen
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[00:38:35] +Noble Kakyoin: as far as we know, this all could have happened in the first day
[00:38:51] +Noble Kakyoin: because after mentioning the swap, he says
[00:38:59] +Noble Kakyoin: "And in the months to follow, the rising temperatures thawed the snow, which formed what is now Azurine lake,"
[00:39:08] +Noble Kakyoin: Note, this is after the swap
[00:39:31] +Noble Kakyoin: we know the swap happened, and then months passed by
[00:39:50] pyrromanis: hm true, but still uncertain about it
[00:40:17] pyrromanis: also we get confirmation that 1st the meteor came and the giratina appeared
[00:40:17] +Noble Kakyoin: also we know the city drowned is the old civilization
[00:40:23] +Noble Kakyoin: "Burying their old city beneath it."
[00:41:02] +Bazаr🌀: Giratina's chaos was created before the resets happen
[00:41:17] +Bazаr🌀: the old city was probably Elias' town
[00:41:24] +Bazаr🌀: so... I guess we know what happened to that
[00:41:52] pyrromanis: what lands were spun upside down?
[00:42:08] +Noble Kakyoin: who knows?
[00:42:26] +Noble Kakyoin: it mentions that giratina could warp cities across the entire region though
[00:42:34] +Noble Kakyoin: Is that what happened to Agate?
[00:42:41] pyrromanis: maybe
[00:42:44] +Bazаr🌀: Spinel is a small example of that being true
[00:43:04] +Bazаr🌀: What's weird about Agate?
[00:43:19] +Noble Kakyoin: Ody ping
[00:43:29] pyrromanis: also the resemblance i get from agate with reborn...
[00:43:30] +Noble Kakyoin: Where did you get the info on agates weirdness again?
[00:44:42] +Bazаr🌀: how does Agate resemble Reborn?
[00:45:08] pyrromanis: dunno, it is just in my eyes...
[00:45:58] +Noble Kakyoin: i can't see it tbh
[00:46:19] +Bazаr🌀: the ringmaster has the same hat as Radomus
[00:46:22] +Bazаr🌀: card included
[00:46:24] entreflores: Obisida par
[00:46:26] +Bazаr🌀: its just a different color
[00:46:29] +Noble Kakyoin: Thank you
[00:46:40] +Noble Kakyoin: Also here's something to note about one npc in new coral ahem
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[00:46:50] +Bazаr🌀: pure black hair... could there be a relation?
[00:47:16] +Noble Kakyoin: "On a night like this, there's something surreal. I can look at the sky, the lake, the stars, all fleeting as they are, but I feel like it could slip away at any
[00:47:16] +Noble Kakyoin: second. Like, maybe it already has once before."
[00:47:40] pyrromanis: YES! i remember that now
[00:47:48] pyrromanis: he did say that
[00:47:49] +Noble Kakyoin: "You ever get that feeling? Sort of like deja vu. This has already happened once, and what you see now is the result of someone's imagination. I'm not sure if I would like that or not."
[00:47:58] +Noble Kakyoin: -Coral Ward NPC
[00:48:17] +Bazаr🌀: So that just confirmed that the resets happen
[00:48:26] +Bazаr🌀: That's all it says :/
[00:48:47] pyrromanis: yes, but this is the imagination of someone
[00:49:04] pyrromanis: so someone DID create us from his mind
[00:49:22] pyrromanis: they wanted us to be here and fix theresets
[00:49:25] +Noble Kakyoin: alright now as for the agate city thing @Baz
[00:49:25] entreflores: anw Agate rumors
[00:49:34] entreflores: is from a different region, magic stone underneath
[00:49:39] +Noble Kakyoin: "They say it used to be part of a different region entirely."
[00:49:51] +Noble Kakyoin: "And! I heard there's even a magic stone buried deep underneath it!"
[00:50:00] +Noble Kakyoin: This could honestly be in reference to Orre's agate city
[00:50:23] +Noble Kakyoin: As Orre's had a magic stone that purified pokemon, the relic stone
[00:50:39] +Noble Kakyoin: because notice it isn't stones plural
[00:50:45] entreflores: #fuck
[00:50:52] entreflores: I know shit of PMD
[00:50:57] +Noble Kakyoin: also funny thing to note about that same npc, she says this
[00:51:00] +Noble Kakyoin: "If only something like that could exist here..."
[00:51:02] entreflores: or whatever thing that is
[00:51:13] +Bazаr🌀: I just checked
[00:51:22] +Noble Kakyoin: Funny how she should say that. She doesn't even know what the city is built on top of
[00:51:22] +Bazаr🌀: and Agate City matches Agate Village almost perfectly
[00:51:25] pyrromanis: so, am i crazy that i see agate as a smaller rebrn?
[00:51:30] +Noble Kakyoin: yes
[00:51:36] pyrromanis: :P
[00:51:49] entreflores: thanks bro
[00:52:03] entreflores: :3
[00:52:35] +Noble Kakyoin: uwu
[00:52:48] entreflores: now do the guessning thread thing
[00:53:05] +Bazаr🌀: sooooooo
[00:53:22] +Bazаr🌀: we've had some breakthroughs here
[00:53:22] pyrromanis: "A lush, green town of senior citizens where there is a relic honoring Celebi.Colo"
[00:53:32] pyrromanis: from bulbapedia
[00:53:59] +Bazаr🌀: celebi's X Door is probably there
[00:54:28] +Noble Kakyoin: >X Door
[00:54:31] +Noble Kakyoin: :[[[[
[00:54:40] pyrromanis: maybe meteors want celebi to go back in time?
[00:54:40] +Bazаr🌀: they'll reappear postgame :[
[00:54:53] entreflores: Celebi's door is an ex-door
[00:55:05] +Noble Kakyoin: nice one
[00:55:20] +Bazаr🌀: If the purifying stone thing is still there
[00:55:27] +Bazаr🌀: then Meteor might want it for something?
[00:55:40] +Bazаr🌀: but there aren't Shadow Pokemon in Reborn
[00:55:50] +Bazаr🌀: why do they want Agate so badly
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[00:56:03] +Noble Kakyoin: maybe they need the stones purifying power?
[00:56:12] +Bazаr🌀: what's corrupt though
[00:56:13] +Noble Kakyoin: not for pokemon, but for something bigger?
[00:56:21] +Noble Kakyoin: According to them, Reborn
[00:56:22] ~Blιnd gυardιan: that's not really a breakthrough
[00:56:33] pyrromanis: Connecting locations
[00:56:34] pyrromanis: ↑
[00:56:34] pyrromanis: Relic Cave and Relic Stone
[00:56:35] +Bazаr🌀: this isn't
[00:56:36] ~Blιnd gυardιan: ame/ika has said in the past it's meant to be the orre region
[00:56:46] +Noble Kakyoin: i know
[00:56:51] ~Blιnd gυardιan: I don't remember the specifics enough to comment beyond that though
[00:57:11] pyrromanis: so the relic items we found might have something to do?
[00:57:12] +Bazаr🌀: But we've finalized the fact that Nostra is resetting the world over and over
[00:57:22] +Bazаr🌀: and us and Arceus were created somewhere in the resets
[00:57:36] pyrromanis: maybe is only one reset so far?
[00:57:40] +Noble Kakyoin: either that or arceus was there pre-reset
[00:58:09] +Noble Kakyoin: i'm assuming the first universe already had arceus in it, as well as this one
[00:58:10] +Bazаr🌀: Elias' book says that the thing that created Arceus (Nostra/the meteor) existed before it
[00:58:26] +Noble Kakyoin: right, but as we know, Arceus is technically what created those
[00:58:29] +Bazаr🌀: I think we've already been reset several times
[00:58:30] entreflores: tru tbh. Gen3, Gen4
[00:58:31] +Noble Kakyoin: idfk
[00:58:46] +Bazаr🌀: Lin started the loop years ago
[00:59:05] +Bazаr🌀: Then goes back and stops her younger self from doing it again by kidnapping her
[00:59:14] +Bazаr🌀: Arceus got created
[00:59:25] +Bazаr🌀: and X universes later, we get made
[00:59:50] +Bazаr🌀: there are 4 events that we need to figure out across the universes:
[00:59:57] +Bazаr🌀: How did the first loop happen
[01:00:06] +Bazаr🌀: When did Arceus start
[01:00:12] +Bazаr🌀: Why were we made
[01:00:45] +Bazаr🌀: damnit I had a brain fart aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:00:53] +Noble Kakyoin: fun thing to note
[01:01:08] +Noble Kakyoin: the books in the seven sanctum say the new world will be born when arceus awakens
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[01:01:48] +Bazаr🌀: If Arceus existed in several past universes
[01:02:00] +Bazаr🌀: Then it's safe to say they've failed to awaken Arceus every time
[01:02:24] +Bazаr🌀: if Lin was the one who started the loops
[01:02:45] +Bazаr🌀: why would she help Meteor break the loops she made
[01:02:54] +Bazаr🌀: unless she wants to break the loops?
[01:03:02] +Noble Kakyoin: most of the books of rebirth and the new world note that the old world has to go before the new one can be born
[01:03:09] pyrromanis: maybe she wasn't the one who made the 1st reset?
[01:03:19] +Bazаr🌀: maybe
[01:03:26] +Bazаr🌀: then go back to question 1
[01:03:34] +Bazаr🌀: How did the first loop happen
[01:03:50] +Bazаr🌀: Who did it
[01:03:55] pyrromanis: someone who didn't like the future that was coming
[01:04:05] +Bazаr🌀: It's safe to assume Nostra granted the wish
[01:04:09] +Noble Kakyoin: "The Lord Arceus shall come again. The New World, too, shalt be Reborn." -- Arceus 38-27
[01:04:21] +Bazаr🌀: "come again"
[01:04:24] +Noble Kakyoin: Why would the new world need to be reborn?
[01:04:36] +Bazаr🌀: That implies he's been awakened...
[01:04:38] +Bazаr🌀: hm
[01:04:48] +Bazаr🌀: Jirachi can make 1 wish every 1000 years
[01:04:50] +Bazаr🌀: so maybe the wish
[01:04:56] +Bazаr🌀: was to make Arceus?
[01:05:07] +Bazаr🌀: and the "New World" is the reset?
[01:05:24] +Bazаr🌀: The world destroys itself and recreates itself over and over
[01:05:31] +Noble Kakyoin: Actually... Are we really in the second loop and not a previous one?
[01:06:10] +Bazаr🌀: How can people be remembering past lives if this is the first universe
[01:06:16] +Noble Kakyoin: As far as we know, we could have been sent back a loop or foward many loops
[01:06:39] +Bazаr🌀: The only difference between our loop and previous ones
[01:06:41] +Bazаr🌀: is us
[01:06:49] +Bazаr🌀: it's safe to assume, anyways
[01:07:24] +Noble Kakyoin: Right, but who's to say we aren't actually in a previous loop? Let's say loop 10 made the wish to add us, but we were put into loop 9 and not 11/ new 10.
[01:07:54] +Bazаr🌀: Then it wouldn't matter, would it?
[01:07:58] +Noble Kakyoin: guess not
[01:08:03] pyrromanis: "arceus shall grant thee favours in the new world" arceus 12-3
[01:08:04] +Bazаr🌀: If we were the only change made
[01:08:12] +Bazаr🌀: It wouldn't matter which universe we're in
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[01:08:25] +Bazаr🌀: Because they're all the same, except the ones without Arceus
[01:09:03] +Noble Kakyoin: Another note on the books in the sanctum
[01:09:19] +Noble Kakyoin: It says Arceus molded the heavens and earth from memories of eons passed and yet to come
[01:09:42] pyrromanis: from the darkness, from stardust from the memories of eons passed and visions of eons yet to come, from these things did the lord arceus mold the heavens, the eath and all that walk upon it"
[01:09:47] +Noble Kakyoin: is arceus able to see into every loop, dimension, reality, etc.?
[01:09:49] pyrromanis: arceus 2-4
[01:10:04] +Bazаr🌀: Let's say we're made in universe 10
[01:10:21] +Bazаr🌀: Arceus was created in U2
[01:10:24] +Bazаr🌀: when Nostra made it
[01:10:46] +Bazаr🌀: Arceus from U2 could see U1, as well as U3, 4, etc before they even happened
[01:10:51] +Bazаr🌀: and made identical worlds
[01:11:05] +Bazаr🌀: someone in U9 figured this out and broke the loop by making us in U10
[01:11:57] +Noble Kakyoin: have we determined what was in U1?
[01:12:12] +Noble Kakyoin: was it the first story from ms. direction?
[01:12:17] pyrromanis: "Renmants of the New World" - when our lord arceus had at last finished crafting the world from stardus, what then should the divine do with the remnants of immaterial?"
[01:12:40] pyrromanis: >"our lord arceus had at last finished crafting the world from stardust"
[01:12:58] pyrromanis: so arceus created the world with jirachi's help?
[01:13:16] +Noble Kakyoin: it's safe to assume so, I guess
[01:13:27] +Bazаr🌀: It created worlds based off of Jirachi's past world-making probably
[01:13:44] +Bazаr🌀: so it's safe to assume both Nostra and Arceus each grant a wish
[01:14:06] +Bazаr🌀: let's move Arceus' creation to U5 for a sec
[01:14:24] +Bazаr🌀: Nostra's wish for U1-3 was to repeat the world
[01:14:32] +Bazаr🌀: but in U4 it was to make Arceus
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[01:15:00] +Bazаr🌀: ... wait that would be U5 actually
[01:15:14] +Bazаr🌀: and after Nostra made Arceus, Arceus reset the universe to U6
[01:15:38] +Bazаr🌀: Arceus has been resetting U6-U9
[01:15:48] +Bazаr🌀: but Nostra still has its wishes
[01:16:01] +Bazаr🌀: what was wished for during that/those universe(s)?
[01:16:15] +Bazаr🌀: one of them was for us to be made
[01:16:26] +Bazаr🌀: what will be Nostra's wish this time?
[01:16:53] +Bazаr🌀: maybe Arceus has only made 2 new worlds
[01:17:06] +Bazаr🌀: the one after it was created, and the one we're in
[01:17:18] +Bazаr🌀: of those 2, in the first, Nostra's wish was for Arceus
[01:17:21] +Bazаr🌀: in the second, us
[01:17:45] +Bazаr🌀: shit im monologuing
[01:17:49] +Noble Kakyoin: so it's safe to assume we are in the most current loop
[01:17:58] +Bazаr🌀: I would say yes
[01:18:14] +Noble Kakyoin: arceus is born in 5, resets 5 to make 6
[01:18:20] +Noble Kakyoin: 6 ends and we're added to 7
[01:18:43] +Bazаr🌀: We don't actually know if other wishes were made between arceus and us though
[01:18:49] +Bazаr🌀: what if Shade was a wish?
[01:19:02] +Bazаr🌀: there could even be more like him
[01:19:15] +Bazаr🌀: but yes, that's the basis pyrr
[01:19:31] +Noble Kakyoin: so we've got a general timeline, which I'm trying to make a picture for
[01:20:18] +Bazаr🌀: mk
[01:20:30] +Bazаr🌀: dan can you tell us if we're on the right track or not? :3
[01:20:35] +Noble Kakyoin: lol nope
[01:20:40] ~Blιnd gυardιan: I absolutely could
[01:20:46] pyrromanis: don't!
[01:21:30] +Noble Kakyoin: i mean
[01:21:35] +Noble Kakyoin: even if we told him to tell us
[01:21:36] +Bazаr🌀: may you tell us? ;3
[01:21:38] +Noble Kakyoin: I doubt he would
[01:21:47] +Bazаr🌀: probably
[01:21:54] pyrromanis: he will obviously lie
[01:22:02] pyrromanis: so what he says, means is wrong :P