[Tukkun Hours] 4th Time - Chat Log

secondadvent: oh hey, 5k perfect clicks already

Passionflower: wtf

Passionflower: how have you made so much progress with button so fast lol

secondadvent: rank 14 adventurer trophy. so OP

Axiss32: Only...14?

secondadvent: i haven't touched the arena since the tutorial since i'm farming WC

Axiss32: You shouldn't farm WC in the first few hours of game

Tukkun: Hey everyone

Hollycide: WC gain improves a bit after a while.

whatever4321234: hi

Hollycide: It's slightly useless to begin with

Tukkun: It's the 4th Tukkun Hours! event

Hollycide: Ayyy Tukkun

Anonymity: hi

LilyStiria: Oh hello Tukkun

Axiss32: Hey Tukku

Axiss32: *Tukkun

Tukkun: As usual, today I will be spending 2 hours starting from now to dedicate entirely on Anti-Idle

Tukkun: That means coding and listening to your feedback and stuff

Tukkun: So if you have any ideas, concerns or questions, feel free to tell me

LilyStiria: Hey Tukkun, is it possible to make the thing in Abandoned Lab usable on items with "Cannot Apply Bonus Rocks"?

Tukkun: I don't plan to do that, it will lead to imbalancings

Tukkun: Originally bonus changing could only be done with bonus rocks

Hollycide: Can we make it so the money printer screen isn't useless?

Tukkun: but people found that to be inconvenient, so I made the bonus machine

Tukkun: so it should have the same functionalities as bonus rocks, just more convenient to use

NoticFrozen: guys

Axiss32: By how much you will decrease Garden income and Shop prizes(YC)?

Tukkun: Hollycide, it used to be that the Money Printer would print double money when you view that screen

NoticFrozen: my button has been broken

NoticFrozen: how can i fix completely

NoticFrozen: im repearing but failing again

Hollycide: Also, as a serious suggestion, the ability to change the colour of your name at the top would be great.

Tukkun: but that was very misleading and caused people to think that it was a good idea to idle in the Money Printer screen, therefore the feature was removed

Hollycide: White is boring. Pink master race.

Tukkun: You can do that after ascending

Hollycide: Really? I don't see the option

katkin56: One thing that would be very nice is a pause button on FCG.

Tukkun: In the options screen, press the change title button

Tukkun: Actually

Hollycide: Oh. Derp. sorry. :P

Tukkun: Now the feature is probably available for everyone rather than just ascended players

Anonymity: hmm...

Tukkun: Yep, it is available to everyone

Grillo126: you could make gen trader business gem reward scale better

Grillo126: gem*

Tukkun: Axiss, I can't say much about YC changes at the moment

Anonymity: sometimes autoharvest fail to catch trees that have remaining life==harvest countdown

secondadvent: my arm goes numb while laying on it and playing the game. can i get a bonus rock to increase numbness resistance? :V

Hollycide: I second second.

Grillo126: people are complaining the max rewards are irrelevant compared to other businesses

Tukkun: Noted

Tukkun: katkin, pausing in FCG is an interesting idea but it might lead to awkward strategies and abuse if implemented poorly

Tukkun: I'll keep that in mind though

Anonymity: noted? numbness resistance bonus rock?

Tukkun: lol

whatever4321234: Could you maybe make the sword of the ascendant untimed? It's only a small QoL issue but having to feed the dragon, sell the old sword, buy the new sword daily is a bit annoying

Grillo126: that, or making the obtention of the sword more difficult

Omesh: Shinki 7/11

Hollycide: I feel the boss of DOOOOM's invincibility can go on forever sometimes but that might be me complaining :P

Omesh: Tukkun, if you loot a ring of chronos, breaking news say ring of knockback.

Anonymity: kek

Grillo126: Suggestion : put the attack/defence cap on unique enhancers's descriptions

Tukkun: whatever4321234, yes, I do plan to make the Sword of Ascendant permanent

Tukkun: and I will also update the Dragon speeches

whatever4321234: Thanks, good to know!

Anonymity: no. keep him alzheimer

LilyStiria: The Mega Boost Potion has a problem. After using Manual Ant Spray, one second later, ants spring up to over 9000

stwilliams: The number of ants is proportional to the % of boost.

Anonymity: its intended

NoticFrozen: when can i ascend?

Hollycide: Stadium seems to be the only thing you can upgrade 100% really quickly.

stwilliams: Level 9000

Hollycide: lvl 9000, Notic

NoticFrozen: ty

Anonymity: the elevator.

NoticFrozen: what is this llegal coin guys

NoticFrozen: its so confusing

NoticFrozen: any faq?

LilyStiria: oh. But before using Ant Spray it has fewer ants than after using.

stwilliams: Ants don't just appear. They have to crawl there. It would climb higher if you waited to spray.

Tukkun: Right now I'm working on achievement revamp

Tukkun: Does anyone have interesting ideas for achievements that are missing in the current version?

Axiss32: Triangle Count high/total score

Hollycide: Achievements for things like businesses, cyborgs, white coins etc are missing

whatever4321234: Something AA related likes how often you adventured?

stwilliams: I was thinking about WC achievements this morning.

Hollycide: Are secret achievements going to be removed?

levak2: number of unlocked dragon speeches

Hollycide: Because that was always a really fun thing to discover.

Omesh: ultra allies

Axiss32: Cyborg level

LilyStiria: Achievements for failing things.

whatever4321234: Number of capped currencies and BA materials :p

Omesh: wc coins reached

Hollycide: Achievements for amount of time spent idling without idle mode on.

levak2: rest/arcade upgrades

Tukkun: :P

Omesh: damage dealt over the visual cap

Axiss32: ^lol

Tukkun: Do most people deal more damage than visual cap

Hollycide: Accidentally deleting the most valuable item in your BA inventory

Tukkun: (as in most end-game players)

Axiss32: I used to with broken Pixel Throw

Omesh: unlikely to do it on accident.

Hollycide: Number of pets starved to death.

Grillo126: ^ ahah

Axiss32: Would be 0 for everyone lol

Hollycide: That's why it's an achievement :D

Grillo126: quest and event tokens achievement

Grillo126: all progress bar related stuff

Axiss32: Battle Points/Rebirths

Grillo126: (progress bar speed)

Anonymity: i have killed my pet once before techlight

Grillo126: progress bar mod storage achievement

Hollycide: Right clicking.

Axiss32: Number of Grandpas/Clicks made by Grandpas

whatever4321234: I wonder how long it would take for my pet to starve

Grillo126: ULTRA kills

whatever4321234: Time spent at 6k boost :p

Grillo126: 1 2 and 3

Hollycide: Number of unlocked Another Garden trees

stwilliams: What's the Cyborg level cap?

Axiss32: 200

Grillo126: numbers of bestiary 6 obtained

Grillo126: chips dropped

stwilliams: Thanks.

stwilliams: Some of these achievement ideas are really good.

Axiss32: Times Ascended(Hard/Impossible)

LilyStiria: Rest time.

Grillo126: number of people you annoyed on kong chat

Omesh: Time offline and make it 1 year :^)

Grillo126: max boost reached

Grillo126: boost freeze time obtained

whatever4321234: this lel

stwilliams: Would that be measured by the number of people that muted you in chat?

Anonymity: times of savefile loss

Hollycide: Achievements for amount of crate opens

Hollycide: 1,000 daily crates... >.>

Grillo126: lol gem max storage

LilyStiria: Typing-related achievements.

Tukkun: Would ULTRA-2 killing achievements be overkill

Tukkun: :\

Grillo126: number of cards used

Grillo126: no, do it :p

n00bzor: i think ULTRA-2 achievements would be a good late-late game goal

whatever4321234: Depends on how many it would take :p

Omesh: A realistic number of U2 would be good

n00bzor: i know darkmarty is going for that right now

Omesh: 250 should be achievable for most

stwilliams: Nah, it's good to have some farther out in one's AITG adventure like U2.

Omesh: or am I biased

whatever4321234: Would take a while though

stwilliams: You are biased.

whatever4321234: I have 265 or so and my bestiary level is the 3rd highest

whatever4321234: 100-200 would probably be more realistic

n00bzor: nah. im not even close to U2 but i think it would be a cool achievement to look forward to

Grillo126: it's an endgame achievement

Grillo126: ultra 3 achievement might be added later if more end game gear is added

whatever4321234: Ultra-3 is just stupid, I haven't found a single red chip so far.

n00bzor: omg.... does anyone have U3 sheep? can you imagine trying to get that chip....

stwilliams: Expired items achievement.

Hollycide: Almost-impossible achievements are good in moderation.

Anonymity: its more time farming red chips than actually killing them

Hollycide: Considering the current longevity of the game.

Tukkun: Currently ULTRA-3 is probably more luck-based than anything else, it seems

Tukkun: I think I'll raise the likelihood of getting a red chip from killing ULTRA-2

n00bzor: i wouldnt mind seeing a sheep chip droprate increase... or just a sheep rate increase. but theres probably no good cause for it, just hopes and dreams xD

Axiss32: Currently, resetting GoC for raids like SC/TH for recharge Secondary wep ammo is very annoying.

Hollycide: I personally would love more secret achievements >.>

secondadvent: more buttons to click

Hollycide: But that's a personal preference.

Axiss32: We have to sell arrows with 20k or less ammos because not enough for a TH run

Grillo126: ^ we should be able to recharge secondary with GoC

n00bzor: or make it so that secondary can have multiple stacks that automatically reequip when one runs out

whatever4321234: Yeah, would be nice to have more charges on secondaries

whatever4321234: or add additional, more expensive ones that have more ammo

Tukkun: What about 10x cost and number of ammo

whatever4321234: Would be nice

Axiss32: That's more convenient. I'm interested on it

Grillo126: not so nice for mid/early game players

Tukkun: I'm mostly worried that people will be more likely to forget about it if there are too many charges

Tukkun: and people will bring up the argument that at that rate it would be better off unlimited so why not just make it unlimited

Tukkun: What if I make a max-cost unlimited version?

Grillo126: would be good too

n00bzor: make it disproportionate..... the regular one is for noobs, then like a 25x cost 10x duration one for people that need the duration and have everything in the world to spend

whatever4321234: A really expensive permanent one would be nice as well

n00bzor: yeah i like the unlimited one idea more. gives you something cool to farm for

whatever4321234: just one less thing to worry about

Axiss32: Or you can buy a custom amount of Ammo with one click. Like: 100k ammo with actual cost. Then less ammo with less cost, or more ammo with more cost

Axiss32: Would be convenient for everyone

Anonymity: was thinking that.

Anonymity: but can craft menu do that?

Axiss32: I believe it

n00bzor: how does cyborg currently work with fishing skill? is it based off max or does it decay as your fishing skill decays

levak2: max

levak2: all cyborg bars can only increase

Grillo126: oh ? you mean there is a benefit to go to lvl 50 ?

Grillo126: (or is it 40 max ? not sure)

Hollycide: I would like an option to convert a fishing chest to a key and vice versa

whatever4321234: 50 and yes

Grillo126: there is, in AA

Grillo126: sweet

Axiss32: There's the benefit, because Cybro's performance is based on highest skill even reached too

Grillo126: you need to adventure in titled zone

Hollycide: Kk.

Anonymity: or put 2ndwep in yet another strange machine, click/shift some button to refill for some cost

Tukkun: I decided to go with the "lazy" solution

Axiss32: Are those ED EXP events still useful for anything?

Tukkun: There will be a 40x cost version with 2,500,000 attacks

whatever4321234: should last a while

Tukkun: Probably more than enough for most purposes and eliminates balancing concerns

Tukkun: The items will be available as soon as this Tukkun Hours! event ends

whatever4321234: Another thing that you could add an achievement for is total career exp or how many crates you got from careers over 200

Tukkun: That's interesting too, but unfortunately for some derpy reason I forgot to track that

Tukkun: I can probably count the number of Supply Crates opened though

whatever4321234: Oh okay

Tukkun: which should be quite an interesting thing too

whatever4321234: Yeah

Tukkun: Maybe 5,000 Supply Crates opened for final tier

Axiss32: 5,000? Oh god

Hollycide: 5k sounds good

whatever4321234: I wonder if I have that many opened or am even close

whatever4321234: probably not :p

Grillo126: 1000 is more reasonable

Axiss32: Anyway, what will be the end of Quest/Event Tokens? I'm worried

Tukkun: You get 1,200 just from TCL 2400

Grillo126: oh

Hollycide: I think 5k is good I:

Axiss32: I'm at somewhere in the 1.2-1.5k

whatever4321234: I still have 1300 unopened ones but no idea how many I opened

Tukkun: What about 2,500 instead of 5,000

Anonymity: >as if TCL 2400 is easy

Hollycide: I've opened about 600 I think

whatever4321234: Is there some way to check right now?

Axiss32: Hmm, what about Ascension Points achievements and maybe Highscore?

Grillo126: yea TCL 2400 is an endgame achievement itself

Grillo126: 2500 looks better

Tukkun: Read mysteryBoxCollect10 using Technical Lights

Tukkun: The sum of the 6 numbers is how many Supply Crates you opened

hajihill: all the cool kids have tcl 2400. get with the program. (also, if you really try to get it and have like a year to kill, or so, it's not too tough.)

Anonymity: i probably have 0, dont remember opening any sc

Hollycide: You should be able to buy a new crate called Useless Crate, that costs Red Coins.

hajihill: any chance of a new career. Maybe something cyborg oriented. he's really hard to level.

Hollycide: It gives you the exact amount of red coins you used to purchase it.

Axiss32: 1,418 Supply Crates. Though don't really understand how this tech. light build works

whatever4321234: The sum of the 6 numbers it gave me is 2622

whatever4321234: So I'm at close to 4k with the unopened ones I have

Tukkun: So you should have somewhere around 4k

Tukkun: I guess I'll go with 2500

whatever4321234: And I've been playing for a while and also bought a couple

Tukkun: still very end-game and probably more reasonable than 5000

Axiss32: And 1.7k here with unopened ones

whatever4321234: Yeah

Omesh: 3840

Axiss32: And there will be achievements for other boxes, right?

Tukkun: Are you interested in such achievements?

Axiss32: I'm excited so much :P

Omesh: achievement for red coins

Grillo126: you mean is there achievements we're not interested in ?

nanohum: How about for unlocking all of the rewards for different boxes?

whatever4321234: I mean I personally don't have anything against really hard achievements that take a while, but it would probably end up with only 3 or 4 people being even able to get them in the next 2 years :p

LilyStiria: Won't that be too much?

whatever4321234: at 5000 that is

hajihill: actually yeah, red coins. even if just so we can check the number without changing variables.

whatever4321234: 2500 seems better

Tukkun: Well, yep, I'm going with 2500

Anonymity: inb4 achievement for house

Grillo126: days waited without house : 1337

Axiss32: I've built the house!

Anonymity: House built: 1

Axiss32: With the construstions for children, maybe ):

Axiss32: *blocks

Hollycide: Achievement for playing on a previous version somehow.

whatever4321234: achievements for boxes would be fun :p

Hollycide: Achievement for dealing 1,000,000 damage to boss of doom while he's invincible.

Axiss32: lol

mode5: What if... the house is just like HL3?

Axiss32: yep

Grillo126: achievement for YC gains in BA

Hollycide: By mentioning HL3 you have just moved the release date forward 1 month. Release date is now February 2083.

Tukkun: For Red Coins how many would be reasonable

whatever4321234: https://i.imgur.com/IUKTqTD.png

mode5: Release of what?

Hollycide: 200,000.

Axiss32: inb4 13337 RC

Anonymity: achievements for drops not picked up and disappeared

Grillo126: gemme some whatev

whatever4321234: 1337

LilyStiria: Achievement for refreshing

whatever4321234: Never, need to hoard more

whatever4321234: Still not even 1/4 of the way to capping explosion crates

Axiss32: "Hoarding Things is Nice" [quote phantomwolf13]

Axiss32: I've stocked 15k Explosion Crates just from Button Business now

Grillo126: woot

Grillo126: max i've gotten from button is 800 or so

Axiss32: Max possible is 25k

Anonymity: i need to learn spending stuffs. always hoarding while making slow progress

Axiss32: I'm slowly doing Imps while slowly hoarding stuff, isn't it nice^

Grillo126: need True Imps ascends

Anonymity: reach 9002 to ascend

Hollycide: Easy ascension. Reach level 1 to ascend. Takes away 1 perk point.

Omesh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7mcomgBbo

Tukkun: Umm... so how many Red Coins

Omesh: 50k

Hollycide: 1,337.

Axiss32: I only have 6,880 RC ):

Tukkun: From AA alone?

levak2: I have adventurer 165 and 1200 RC from AA

Tukkun: Thanks for your input

Omesh: At least 13.337k

Axiss32: Aka 13,337

Grillo126: what's the variable ?

Grillo126: redCoin ?

Axiss32: Tukkun, I don't think there are more ways for get Red Coins, really.

hajihill: awesomeRedcoin? something like that.

Axiss32: Yep, I used that

Grillo126: got 1451

Grillo126: people who used SC YC might have absurd amount of those

Anonymity: 4741

Hollycide: I have 210

hajihill: my mistake. its awesomeRedCoin.

hajihill: capitalization matters.

hajihill: and i have 22,958.

LilyStiria: Where to see red coins?

Axiss32: awesomeRedCoin from tech. lights

Axiss32: FCG 8 and 10 wins and Legendary Monsters defeated would be good for achieves too

levak2: I guess almost all of current quests will be achievements

hajihill: is there a leaderboard for ascension points. not ascends by type, but a general indicator kind of leader board? Would be nice.

Axiss32: Not yet

showyodo: On my first play though how "exact" should I be when following the guides... like im r316 and I'm just about to fuse my 2 sets of HG armor but guide is saying I should be working on Doom Armor already... I tried Doom and the last guy Boss just…

showyodo: wont die

hajihill: been wondering why that wasn't already a thing for a while.

hajihill: use your fused HG to get TOD.

Axiss32: Don't taunt anything

showyodo: dont taunt? people recommended taunting 2 letters or trying to get +2 or something like that

Grillo126: you can run ToD as much as you want

Axiss32: Hmm?

Grillo126: so you should taunt just a bit and see if you can pass it or not

Grillo126: if you can't taunt less

Grillo126: (with protection ring)

hajihill: don't taunt to start. scale up difficulty, not back.

Grillo126: then when you know what's your sweet spot use another ring

hajihill: this way you get more exp along the way.

Hollycide: Don't taunt boss of doom

hajihill: and yeah. don't taunt the end dudes to start off especially. they start out harder...

hajihill: do you even multiply, bro?

Hollycide: I'd taunt everything up until doom triangle.

Axiss32: Depends on how well he's preparaed

Axiss32: *prepared

NerevarineLoL: hmm, so at 213 and up, only reinc sword and pedant are useful, right?

Axiss32: I use the rest of the set until 318, then u30 and other better stuff

NerevarineLoL: CM/KM has more tiers/better stats

Axiss32: But worse Set Bonus

Axiss32: The EXP/Spawn bonus from Reincarnation is good. Well, if you cannot keep it in SD, you can always switch to CM/KM

NerevarineLoL: I don't do SD

NerevarineLoL: and hmm, full set bonus is nice, yeah

showyodo: ok, is there always the same number of monsters? like 10 cause i was just taunting 2 letters on each person and everything seemed fine..but last boss was never gonna die ever it seemed

NerevarineLoL: but I think I make up for it with higher-tier replacements

NerevarineLoL: rev earrings, u11 MTG, CM/KM

Anonymity: u11 magic the gathering?

NerevarineLoL: yes

Tukkun: Um, quick question

Tukkun: How many Ascension Points do you guys have

eldercain: 97~

Tukkun: I'll probably add a highscore statistic for this soon but I'm a little lazy

DarkDefiler: 0 ^^

Axiss32: 1,447/3,181

Axiss32: Some guys have over 10k, not sure

Hollycide: 2 :D

Tukkun: Alright, thanks

Tukkun: Also, Axiss, you said in the Suggestions thread that people get "near cap YC" whenever harvesting in the Garden

Tukkun: Which kind of tree specifically?

Axiss32: Black trees for a instant good bunch, then AAG for speed up things

Axiss32: I have Coin UP! at just 15, and Garden already gives me several caps every day

Tukkun: What about EXP

Tukkun: How many percent of your daily EXP is from Garden

NerevarineLoL: gamma encountered same problem - mastery 4 blacks, max coin from rest, quite 15 orso coinup and L3 garden perk gave him full/near full YC

Axiss32: Currently it's at 4.1% by doing BA raids. Increases by a lot when I idle

NerevarineLoL: -quite

Axiss32: Well, main feature is still FCG from Cyborg for EXP when I idle

eldercain: when i idle with max plots garden xp is typically between 50-60%

eldercain: if i'm doing th/sc/corruptions in a day it's closer to 30%

Axiss32: Fairly close to 25-30% whenever I idle all day-

eldercain: i'm not super geared up though so my BA idling isn't stellar

levak2: Offline Progress is not affected by lvl9001 multiplier? I stay at 9k1 and 53% of today exp is from Offline progress, lol

Alisterh: Yeah currently my garden's at 38.8% exp and 63% of coin today. That's kinda intense.

hajihill: is garden getting nerfed or are we finally addressing the YC inflation issue?

Axiss32: I'd say the second

hajihill: hoping so.

Alisterh: I have a solution, auto-buy crates/tokens/whatever when you get near cap :P

hajihill: multiply yc cap by 1000.

hajihill: it's straight forward, doesn't break anything, and lets people use resources they are gaining anyways.

Axiss32: By what Tukkun said, it can cause a lot of issues and unbalancings

hajihill: only if you consider YC a benefit of active play...

hajihill: but that's what B C was supposed to be...

hajihill: then what WC was supposed to be.

hajihill: etc... so making YC that again is the actual issue.

hajihill: historically speaking, from the arc of the games development standpoint.

eldercain: it's just power creep. make new rewards, then make new ways to get them as new features roll in

AcedWhenGrim: 34% EXP and 74% of coin (garden)

hajihill: but YC has already begun to be rebalanced into something worthwhile, with the chaos crate thing.

AcedWhenGrim: getting AAG trees with max ferts = OMG

Axiss32: HG + AG combo is also OMG

hajihill: yeah, 75 plots is good. and as graden exp goes up so does return.

hajihill: up to 1b.

hajihill: and these people that are talking about it capping all the time, btw, are people in the top 15-ish on garden exp, all time.

hajihill: it's not exactly easy to get.

Axiss32: Also the time taken for unlock the plots

AcedWhenGrim: I believe I'm on that list, yes

hajihill: yep, very much so. just trying to add a little context to any discussion of nerfing garden.

Axiss32: I'm not in the Top 15 Garden EXP leaderboard, and still have issues

Prasokralik: what is the max arena rank?

AcedWhenGrim: 500

hajihill: 500

Axiss32: 500 (+100 Rebirths)

Prasokralik: ty

AcedWhenGrim: like ascending, you can "rebirth" in the arena and start at rank 40 and go up to 500 again

Tukkun: So AAG = main source of Coins?

Axiss32: Yea

Axiss32: Even with 5-6 missing plots, it was still my main source of YC

Tukkun: That seems to contradict with what you (or someone else?) said the other day that the three gardens give roughly the same amount

Axiss32: Hmm? I'd say AAG gives a lot more YC

hajihill: for that to be true.... i don't know. you'd have to be planting poorly and not ferting.

Axiss32: Then HG + AG giving extra help. But still worse than AAG

hajihill: but yeah, AAG gets strong end game. takes a lot to get there, but it is an awesome feature.

NerevarineLoL: wtb longer AAG trees

hajihill: that would be nice, but probably would be op.

AcedWhenGrim: I think longer AAG trees would be good to let people get to the semi-ridiculous level

AcedWhenGrim: because even if you weren't hyper-active, you still could have max-fert AAG trees for a hwile

AcedWhenGrim: and that wouldn't really speed me up any

jr637: Oh man, I can smell grandpa 20

jr637: So close

AcedWhenGrim: how close?

Axiss32: I've calculated current HV with mods, with 91m Garden EXP and other stuff. 400m/7 minutes AAG, 1.1-1.2b/42 minutes with Reds at level 4, almost 2b/over 2 hours with AG seed #28

jr637: 200k buttons

hajihill: hmm, sure. maybe. i wouldn't hate on having them, but replanting/mega-ferting everyday is kinda AAG's overhead.

AcedWhenGrim: you're about 250k ahead of me. Good luck!

Axiss32: HG and AG are nowhere near close to beat AAG

hajihill: i'm 52k buttons from grandpa 20 right now, myself. Hahah. feeling similar.

jr637: Then I can sell my button mods

AcedWhenGrim: I had to sell mine to get a t9s

hajihill: never grabbed one, myself. :p

jr637: t1s + t5s

hajihill: make that 28k buttons away. just redeemed a business.

jr637: That's probably why I got grandpas so quickly