[23:46:32] <JoeDeath> Can someone direct me to the main developer please?
[23:47:13] <Blarghedy> what
[23:47:32] <Riking> JoeDeath, why? ask your question here
[23:48:00] <JoeDeath> Cause I either have someone trolling under an assumed name, or someone is over stepping their bounds
[23:48:15] <MoxieGrrl> Wha?
[23:48:31] <JoeDeath> If Fireball or the main dev shows up, let me know
[23:48:37] <@FireBall1725> what?
[23:48:37] <Blarghedy> who is "the main dev"
[23:48:42] <MoxieGrrl> What's the issue?
[23:48:43] <Blarghedy> also FireBall1725's here now apparently
[23:48:49] <@FireBall1725> what can i help you with JoeDeath
[23:49:10] <JoeDeath> Probably have someone under your assumed name trolling my server Fireball
[23:49:19] <@FireBall1725> nope, that wasnt a troll
[23:49:26] <MoxieGrrl> Heh.
[23:49:26] <@FireBall1725> violation of AE2's copyright
[23:49:30] <Blarghedy> lol what
[23:49:43] <Blarghedy> is someone selling AE2
[23:49:59] <@FireBall1725> yea, that network Joe is from is selling AE2 items for real money
[23:50:01] <JoeDeath> Nope, not selling AE2 at all
[23:50:18] <Blarghedy> ugh
[23:50:19] <@FireBall1725> http://screenshot.tsr.me/Dvro
[23:50:20] <Blarghedy> the worst kind of server
[23:50:21] <JoeDeath> The entirety of the modpack is available to anyone who wishes to use it on my server
[23:50:34] <Blarghedy> lol what
[23:50:41] <@FireBall1725> not only are they in violation of mojang's eula, they violated the copyright of many mods
[23:50:41] <Blarghedy> 10 MFSUs only $4.99!
[23:51:09] <@FireBall1725> https://twitter.com/FireBall1725/status/551963149411553280
[23:51:14] <@FireBall1725> i also tweeted about it too
[23:51:59] <@FireBall1725> anyway, not a troll, stop selling AE2 itmes
[23:52:00] <@FireBall1725> *items
[23:52:01] <JoeDeath> Cool, if you want to talk jump on Teamspeak, don't harass any more admins
[23:52:13] <Blarghedy> yeah, FireBall1725
[23:52:14] <MoxieGrrl> Are you going to take that stuff down?
[23:52:19] <@FireBall1725> ill jump on teamspeak
[23:52:27] <Blarghedy> how dare you harass people about ripping off a mod and stuff
[23:52:39] <Blarghedy> etc.
[00:32:53] <JoeDeath> *sigh* Fireball you realize that no one makes a profit off the servers we run...
[00:33:05] <@FireBall1725> sure you do
[00:33:17] <JoeDeath> Cept we don't...
[00:33:33] <@FireBall1725> all i asked was simple, to remove 2 items from the store
[00:33:51] <JoeDeath> Bullshit... you're trying to strong arm us
[00:34:01] <@FireBall1725> yea, stop selling things that you have no right to sell
[00:34:14] <JoeDeath> Stop trying to police things you have no right to police...
[00:34:25] <@FireBall1725> not only is your network in violation of the EULA from mojang
[00:34:32] <@FireBall1725> it is in violation of our copyright, and many others
[00:34:38] <Azanor> ^
[00:34:39] <JoeDeath> I've worked there for two years and haven't seen a dime... Everything goes into upgrading or opening new servers
[00:34:39] <@FireBall1725> i asked you to remove 2 items from your store
[00:34:42] <@FireBall1725> you said "NO"
[00:35:03] <@FireBall1725> did you ask to sell items?
[00:35:03] <JoeDeath> So if you'd like to destroy the online MC community, go for it...
[00:35:14] <MysteriousAges> lol
[00:35:15] <JoeDeath> We do not sell a damn thing... We ask for donations
[00:35:18] <MysteriousAges> You aren't the online MC community.
[00:35:40] <Rorax> JoeDeath, you can't say you aren't selling mods when you clearly have "Thermal Expansion kit 8.99 USD"
[00:35:44] <Rorax> and other things like it
[00:35:50] <@FireBall1725> how about this JoeDeath, You no longer have permission to use AE2 in your server pack, please remove it
[00:35:54] <JoeDeath> Naive idiots..
[00:36:09] <Rorax> Naive? how so?
[00:36:14] <skyboy> JoeDeath: you are selling things
[00:36:19] <skyboy> you are exchanging goods for money
[00:36:28] <@FireBall1725> also look at this JoeDeath https://account.mojang.com/documents/minecraft_eula
[00:36:28] <JoeDeath> Servers cost money... anything we get from a donation we put back into the server. Period, no money being made anywhere
[00:36:30] <MysteriousAges> Virtual goods are the same.
[00:36:34] <skyboy> that is not a donation.
[00:36:38] <Rorax> Thermal Expansion = A mod. 8.99 USD = currency cost
[00:36:41] <JoeDeath> All of out admins work for free, period...
[00:36:55] <@FireBall1725> what about your owner?
[00:36:57] <skyboy> you're not only breaking the EULA, you're probably breaking a few laws by not paying taxes on what you're selling
[00:36:59] <@FireBall1725> im sure he makes nothing too?
[00:37:09] <JoeDeath> Tubby works a day job, he's on a business trip right now...
[00:37:32] <MysteriousAges> You may want to frame the whole thing a bit differently then.
[00:37:35] <Rorax> if people were really interested about keeping the server running JoeDeath they would donate with no strings attached
[00:37:36] <JoeDeath> Putting every donation back into the server is why we went from one tekkit server to what we have now...
[00:37:47] <MysteriousAges> Because right now, it sure as hell looks like you're offering goods in exchange for currency.
[00:37:54] <@FireBall1725> that is what mojang asks, donations are to be made, not selling items
[00:37:56] <JoeDeath> Rorax... if you think that's how it works than you're an effing idiot
[00:38:11] <JoeDeath> Look at any telethon, drive etc... they have give aways for donations
[00:38:18] <Rorax> then don't run a server if your players aren't interested in keeping it like JoeDeath
[00:38:25] <Rorax> live*
[00:38:31] <JoeDeath> You're amazingly naive Rorax...
[00:38:33] <@FireBall1725> yea, but they dont violate laws JoeDeath when they do a telethon
[00:38:49] <Rorax> a telethon doesn't sell goods
[00:38:59] <JoeDeath> We don't sell a damn thing, we accept donations
[00:39:00] <Azanor> nor are they selling stuff that isn't their right to sell
[00:39:12] <Rorax> no you are quite clearly selling kits
[00:39:21] <JoeDeath> So many ass kissing, butt buddies here, let Fireball fight his own battle
[00:39:27] <Riking> what?
[00:39:30] <@FireBall1725> um, it isnt just my fight
[00:39:31] <Blarghedy> lawl
[00:39:32] <MysteriousAges> You're just jelly you're losing.
[00:39:34] <Rorax> first item in the list. once again. Thermal Expansion Kit 8.99 USD. Thats a sale
[00:39:36] <@FireBall1725> you are selling more than my mod
[00:39:36] <Blarghedy> how many mod devs do you think are in here?
[00:39:38] <Riking> MysteriousAges, that doesn't help
[00:39:45] <MysteriousAges> Probably not. =D
[00:40:00] <skyboy> i count at least 4 and i'm probably missing a few
[00:40:03] <Blarghedy> yup
[00:40:05] <Blarghedy> that's about my count
[00:40:14] <MysteriousAges> Joe, you want the problem to go away, change the way you've got your stuff set up.
[00:40:15] <Blarghedy> plus rorax and I think I saw another streamer
[00:40:25] <JoeDeath> So everything we've asked Devs to put together then release, mainly for our server, but for fair use anywhere, we should pull?
[00:40:26] <Blarghedy> ... maybe not
[00:40:29] <MysteriousAges> If someone HAPPENS to donate money to your server and items HAPPEN to appear in their inventory, whatever.
[00:40:43] <Riking> JoeDeath, it's pretty clear in the Mojang EULA, which you must have accepted to run the server, states that you can only sell cosmetic items and things that do not directly affect gameplay
[00:40:50] <JoeDeath> Hooray for making things difficult because Fireball has a stick up his ass Ages
[00:40:53] <skyboy> JoeDeath: you know, your right to use a mod can be revoked
[00:41:04] <MysteriousAges> If you have an e-commerce front page set up to accept "donations" in exchange for those items, that's a problem and looks dodgy as hell.
[00:41:06] <@FireBall1725> and i revoked their right to use AE2 already
[00:41:27] <MysteriousAges> He's not gonna remove it.
[00:41:31] <JoeDeath> Fireball has no power to revoke the right to use AE2, I also told you to speak to Tubby when he returned
[00:41:31] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: that also goes for the Direwolf20 pack too
[00:41:39] <Rorax> also a donation does not involve the donator recieving goods in exhange. thats no longer a donation, thats a sale
[00:41:52] <JoeDeath> DW20 isn't our pack? We can't  modify it?
[00:42:11] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: the Serendipity Network is no longer allowed to use AE2 on their network, until the items are removed from your store
[00:42:12] <Riking> <JoeDeath> Fireball has no power to revoke the right to use AE2 <- curious, how do you justify that? There may be a valid reason to say that, but if you bullshit me...
[00:42:13] <Rorax> DW20 last I checked is a mod from FTB and Direwolf20
[00:42:42] <skyboy> JoeDeath: also, hi, i'm the skyboy that does all the ThermalExpansion, MineFactoryReloaded, and general CoFH stuff; you can remove my mods from your server since you're selling them, and that's pretty much the only thing their licensing forbids
[00:42:50] <JoeDeath> Riking, the mod was created by Algorithm, we appreciate the work that the new devs have put into the open source code, but they have no ownership of AE2
[00:42:52] <Techjar_> the whole donations vs purchases thing is a bit of a gray area. just my 2 cents
[00:42:54] <Riking> WRONG
[00:42:56] <Riking> WRONG ANSWER
[00:43:06] <Blarghedy> lolol
[00:43:13] <Rorax> open source does not = you can sell the mod
[00:43:21] <Rorax> you do not understand open source
[00:43:23] <MysteriousAges> Well, their site is powered by a thing called "BuyCraft"
[00:43:31] <MysteriousAges> Which kinda sounds like not donations to me.
[00:43:31] <@FireBall1725> I think you will find JoeDeath that we are not just a bunch of buddies, we are a community, and we dont appreciate those who try to make money off the hard work of others
[00:43:42] <JoeDeath> Not selling the mod... The mod is not behind any sort of paywall, every player has equal access to it
[00:43:52] <JoeDeath> And no money is being made!!!!
[00:43:54] <skyboy> and you are selling things from it
[00:43:57] <Rorax> bull shit, you allow people to buy the mod
[00:44:05] <Riking> JoeDeath, there's a thing in copyright law that says that ANY copyright holder can enforce violations
[00:44:07] <Azanor> The same goes for Thaumcraft. I make it clear in my terms of use that no profit should be made off it in any way.
[00:44:11] <Techjar_> pretty sure he means profit
[00:44:15] <Rorax> this argument you are trying to make has been made by mobile apps before JoeDeath. and they lost
[00:44:19] <Riking> That means anyone who has code in the mod.
[00:44:24] <@FireBall1725> o/ grum
[00:44:26] <JoeDeath> Literally no profit is being made
[00:44:27] <Riking> They all hold a copyright claim.
[00:44:41] <@FireBall1725> really JoeDeath, no profit?
[00:44:42] <Grum> Who cares for copyright, stop selling shit >.>
[00:44:46] <Azanor> You misunderstand the concept of profit Joe
[00:44:57] <Rorax> you are making profit. the profit is going into the server. that means you are running in bussiness terms "in the red" that still means you are making a profit
[00:45:00] <Techjar_> IMHO this comes down to phrasing on the page
[00:45:09] <Techjar_> it *looks* like a purchase
[00:45:21] <skyboy> it is a purchase
[00:45:21] <Grum> it *is* a purchase if you pay for something in return
[00:45:21] <Techjar_> not a donation
[00:45:38] <Grum> a donation is a gift where you expect nothing in return
[00:45:38] <JoeDeath> Either way asshat... The only person with access to pulling the packages is on a business trip... Hence why I told you to speak with Tubby in about a weeks time
[00:45:42] <Riking> It looks like a purchase, it smells like a purchase, and it isn't in the list of allowed purchases mojang put in the EULA
[00:45:52] <Riking> (cosmetic and does not affect gameplay)
[00:45:56] <Rorax> why don't you actually run a telethon JoeDeath? or a twitterthon to be more relevant if you really want to keep the server running?
[00:46:02] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: in the meantime, please remove AE2 from the modpack
[00:46:10] <JoeDeath> In the mean time... I cannot
[00:46:13] <Riking> and thermal expansion
[00:46:15] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: also remove COFH as asked by skyboy
[00:46:33] <Azanor> and Thaumcraft
[00:46:33] <@FireBall1725> then please stop your servers until a time can be reached to remove the items from your store
[00:47:02] <Techjar_> yeah that makes enough sense
[00:47:09] <Grum> It is only for a week
[00:47:11] <Grum> that is no problem right?
[00:47:13] <Techjar_> if you get something in return then it's not a donation
[00:47:20] <Rorax> players can handle a week of downtime
[00:47:31] <JoeDeath> You have an oddly optomistic view of MC players...
[00:47:32] <MysteriousAges> Giving money and not expecting anything in return is a donation.
[00:47:33] <@FireBall1725> just say it is maintenance, fixing things up
[00:47:46] <Techjar_> MysteriousAges: right
[00:47:48] <JoeDeath> Players get angry after an hour of downtime
[00:47:49] <MysteriousAges> If you happen to get something in response to your donation, that's the perrogative of the person recieving the donation.
[00:47:51] <@FireBall1725> i also find it hard to believe that only one person who is on vacation is the only one with access to do anything.
[00:47:54] <Techjar_> keyword: expecting
[00:48:04] <Techjar_> if you get something but you weren'
[00:48:08] <Techjar_> t told about it
[00:48:09] <MysteriousAges> The way this page is set up: "store.serendipitymc.com" is ... it's a store.
[00:48:14] <Techjar_> then it's still a donation
[00:48:19] <Riking> When I donate $25 to the EFF, they send me a shirt and some stickers
[00:48:39] <@FireBall1725> Let me tell you JoeDeath that servers do survive without selling minecraft items, and mod items
[00:48:40] <Riking> I could probably buy that shirt for about $10-$15 and the stickers are like nothign
[00:48:47] <MysteriousAges> Everything about this site SCREAMS e-commerce.
[00:48:50] <Rorax> the person making the purchase is very very aware of what their donation will make them recieve it is a purchase plain and simple. there is no surprise "thanks for supporting" little shirt pin
[00:48:50] <Grum> Yes, I rather dislike that, using your donated money to send you stuff :/
[00:48:58] <Riking> Grum, me too :\
[00:49:12] <Grum> Riking: that would make donations THAT MUCH MORE effective if they didn't do that sort of BS
[00:49:13] <Riking> I think NPR added a "don't send me a gift" option at some point?
[00:49:45] <LokiChaos> Most places you can opt out of the gift.
[00:49:48] <Riking> b/c people were asking for it. They also said that they were getting the gifts to give out at heavily reduced cost
[00:50:07] <Rorax> eh I would still call that dodgey riking
[00:50:09] <Riking> On that point, making new items in minecraft? Literally no cost
[00:50:11] <@FireBall1725> I support minecraft networks i play on because they are good, have good staff, etc, not because i want a stack of diamonds
[00:50:21] <Grum> yeah they get the gifts given, but the simple fact of administration costs/setup costs means donation money went to waste
[00:50:32] <Riking> yup
[00:50:46] <Riking> ofc it gets filed under "fundraising costs"
[00:50:53] <Grum> or rather, rather than spending money on creatign those things the company who does it should have donated
[00:50:59] <JoeDeath> Hooray for being one of the good ones Fireball... But after seeing 2 vanilla servers die because of lack of donations, I don't believe you when you say "Servers can survive with only goodwill donations"
[00:51:02] <Techjar_> Riking: unless you consider your time a cost
[00:51:06] <Grum> maybe they get the whole 'gift-giving'-part donate from another company
[00:51:06] <Rorax> heres the real kicker for you JoeDeath, even if you made your own mod, from scratch. you wouldn't be able to do this because Mojang don't allow it
[00:51:08] <Techjar_> but that's subjective
[00:51:31] <@FireBall1725> then have a pay server, $5.00 a month JoeDeath
[00:51:35] <LokiChaos> ^
[00:51:37] <@FireBall1725> or what ever it costs to pay for your servers
[00:51:43] <Riking> JoeDeath, how about goodwill donations plus EULA-permitted purchases?
[00:51:45] <Grum> JoeDeath: servers can easily survive without donations -- you know why? you wouldn't have a server you couldn't pay for in the first place if it wasn't for making money
[00:51:54] <@FireBall1725> hey, modded servers are hard to maintain, i would consider paying $5.00 a month to play on a server
[00:52:01] <@FireBall1725> and that also cuts out a lot of the trolls
[00:52:03] <@FireBall1725> and greifing
[00:52:16] <Riking> FireBall1725, I'd suggest $1 a month but transaction costs
[00:52:23] <JoeDeath> We had one server surviving off donations... then got more donations, so we upgraded it, then got more, so we opened a new one... Everything that is donated is put back into the server system
[00:52:24] <Riking> $.30 + 3%
[00:52:29] <Techjar_> $2?
[00:52:30] <@FireBall1725> well, either way $1.00, $5.00
[00:52:41] <Rorax> like I siad, if people were actually keen to keep your server alive, you wouldn't need to coax them with "donation gifts"
[00:52:47] <LokiChaos> 5$ for 6 months, keep the number of tx down
[00:52:49] <Grum> JoeDeath: so why do you need to make money selling items?
[00:52:54] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: lets not confuse donations with store purchases and rank
[00:52:55] <JoeDeath> And I told you Rorax, you're amazingly naive
[00:53:09] <Rorax> no. if your server isn't meant to be then it isn't meant to be
[00:53:13] <Rorax> not naive, smart
[00:53:19] <Riking> Here's a quote from my brother a few days ago
[00:53:27] <Rorax> you know why I don't run a server? I can't pay for it
[00:53:33] <Blarghedy> why does a server need to be alive to begin with?
[00:53:40] <Grum> Unless you can pay for the server out of pocket you shouldn't have it
[00:53:44] <Grum> it's that simple :)
[00:53:45] <Riking> "Woah, they're selling flying? That has to be against the EULA. haha, maybe we should report it"
[00:53:47] <JoeDeath> If everyone had that mindset Rorax, no server of any reasonable size would ever exist
[00:53:54] <Rorax> bullshit
[00:53:56] <Techjar_> .equip nuclear fission
[00:54:00] <Techjar_> fuckl
[00:54:03] <@FireBall1725> yea, i call bullshit on that too
[00:54:05] <Blarghedy> what's a 'reasonable size'
[00:54:07] <Rorax> there are plenty of servers out there that run for free with no sales
[00:54:08] <LokiChaos> ^
[00:54:14] <@FireBall1725> ^^
[00:54:21] <LokiChaos> ( what is "reasonable size" )
[00:54:32] <@FireBall1725> Reasonable Size is where the owner can get a kickback
[00:54:33] <Rorax> my buddy runs Queercraft. that works from a minority community, not even just "everybody" and it is huge
[00:54:39] <Blarghedy> lol FireBall1725
[00:54:43] <JoeDeath> WE DON"T TAKE ANY KICKBACKS
[00:54:52] <Blarghedy> nope just a server
[00:55:00] <Riking> JoeDeath, so?
[00:55:04] <Rorax> "we don't take any kickbacks" so you are running "in the red" it is still profit
[00:55:06] <Blarghedy> we don't benefit from this money in any way except all this posh hardware we have
[00:55:15] <JoeDeath> Which I honestly never play on anymore, just help keep running with happy players. Haven't played MC in 2 months
[00:55:35] <Rorax> you not playing on it doesn't excuse you excusing the server joe
[00:55:38] <JoeDeath> Hooray Tubby got off his plane... Go back to your troll holes
[00:55:46] <Blarghedy> I must be a troll!
[00:55:49] <Blarghedy> I'm trolling!
[00:55:54] <MysteriousAges> Congratulations!
[00:55:56] <Blarghedy> yay!
[00:55:57] <Rorax> so troll very wow
[00:56:05] * MysteriousAges gets Blarghedy his honorary troll bridge
[00:56:05] <@FireBall1725> wow, troll ...
[00:56:09] <JoeDeath> Tubby requests you remove your inflammatory tweet Fireball
[00:56:11] <Blarghedy> eh I already have a troll bridge
[00:56:16] <Blarghedy> it's my home
[00:56:23] <@FireBall1725> well, can you let Tubby know to remove AE2, Thaumcraft, and COFH from his server
[00:56:25] <Rorax> "inflammatory" ?
[00:56:30] <Blarghedy> I'm inflamed!
[00:56:39] <@FireBall1725> since those mod devs have revoked your access
[00:56:47] <Riking> one second
[00:56:51] <@FireBall1725> im also expecting that list to grow
[00:56:51] <Rorax> "I hate when server networks violate the EULA and copyrights of mods to make money off others hard work. "  <- not inflammatory
[00:56:52] <MoxieGrrl> Oh, and should probably remove Tinkers, too, should it be there.
[00:57:10] <Blarghedy> who all is on that team?
[00:57:33] <MoxieGrrl> boni's not gonna like it.
[00:57:45] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: remove the store items, or remove the mods
[00:57:53] <@FireBall1725> eitherway it is your choice, the tweet is going nowhere
[00:57:57] <Rorax> Hey JoeDeath get Tubby on teamspeak asap and we can talk about this like adults yeah?
[00:58:06] <@FireBall1725> ^
[00:58:20] <Blarghedy> talking like adults sucks :/
[00:58:21] <Azanor> Yup, I have no problem if you use my mod, but not while there are store items for it.
[00:58:40] <JoeDeath> Why arent' you guys at the gates of buycraft with torches and pitchforks?
[00:58:47] <@FireBall1725> because it isnt their fault
[00:58:49] <@FireBall1725> it is your fault
[00:58:54] <@FireBall1725> you type in what is for sale, not them
[00:59:08] <JoeDeath> That's an amazingly strange point of view fireball...
[00:59:17] <JoeDeath> Rorax, he is at an airport, he has no TS access
[00:59:19] <@FireBall1725> they provide you the tool, how you choose to use it is up to you
[00:59:22] <Rorax> buycraft = gun, tubby = shooter
[00:59:25] <Vaht> buycraft can be used for things that *are* allowed to be sold
[00:59:28] <LokiChaos> ^
[00:59:32] <MoxieGrrl> Yup.
[00:59:34] <@FireBall1725> ^
[00:59:36] <Vaht> as small a list as that is
[00:59:43] <@FireBall1725> like donations
[00:59:54] <LokiChaos> Well the list of things you can shoot is also fairly small...
[00:59:55] <Vaht> erm, generally not
[01:00:03] <Riking> http://i.imgur.com/Y0txU8G.png
[01:00:07] <@FireBall1725> $5.00, a special thank you from all of us for running such as great server, you get nothing but our thanks in return
[01:00:09] <Vaht> but yes, it is capable of handling auto-whitelisting
[01:00:10] <Riking> wait
[01:00:10] <Grum> I think also going to BuyCraft to get their license revoked is not a bad thing
[01:00:21] <@FireBall1725> probably not grum
[01:00:26] <@FireBall1725> and it might need to go that way
[01:00:57] <Riking> http://i.imgur.com/4VJrT5z.png
[01:01:01] <MoxieGrrl> Also, we try not to use pitchforks. Sporks are so much easier to conceal.
[01:01:06] <Rorax> that true Grum, Buycraft is probably next on the pitchfork list :P
[01:01:16] <JoeDeath> That's not even our page Riking?
[01:01:27] <Blarghedy> you ask a lot of statements
[01:01:27] <Riking> JoeDeath, no, it's not. yours was linked earlier
[01:01:28] <Rorax> yeah wrong server
[01:01:31] <@FireBall1725> i think that was an example JoeDeath
[01:01:35] <Roadcrosser> uh
[01:01:40] <Roadcrosser> so what's happened?
[01:01:42] <Riking> That's a server my brother started playing on
[01:01:43] <Rorax> but you do call your top donators "customers" which can only mean one thing
[01:02:00] <Grum> Rorax: 'but that is buycraft doing it, we have no control over that!!!'
[01:02:01] <JoeDeath> Nothing on our server is behind any sort of paywall... Nothing at all
[01:02:04] <@FireBall1725> well, your owner is landed, so can he remove the store items?
[01:02:06] <skyboy> Roadcrosser: people put up mod items for sale, mod authors told them to remove it, they refused, and now they're being told to remove mods from the server
[01:02:14] <Roadcrosser> LOL
[01:02:19] <Grum> JoeDeath: that doesn't matter, according to the rules you've agreed to you cannot sell stuff like that :)
[01:02:22] <Roadcrosser> that's just brilliant
[01:02:22] <Blarghedy> what a succinct tl;dr
[01:02:24] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: you are making this harder for Serendipity
[01:02:31] <@FireBall1725> we asked for simple things
[01:02:31] <Rorax> Pay-to-win is a concept you know
[01:02:35] <@FireBall1725> remove the store items
[01:02:37] <@FireBall1725> you said no
[01:02:43] <@FireBall1725> so we revoked your access to the mods
[01:02:44] <JoeDeath> I have done nothing... I told you speak to Tubby, you escalated
[01:02:47] <Roadcrosser> so who's this person in question
[01:02:51] <Blarghedy> it's JoeDeath, Roadcrosser
[01:02:51] <Riking> Oh did I mention this was a PVP server? so fly has gameplay effects.
[01:02:53] <Roadcrosser> so I can give them a scornful look
[01:02:55] <Roadcrosser> k
[01:03:01] <Blarghedy> look scornily
[01:03:01] <Rorax> pay-to-win is still the sale of goods and services, mandated by law through several lawsuits in the mobile app market
[01:03:06] * Roadcrosser looks scornfully at JoeDeath
[01:03:20] <Rorax> so if you have a problem with pay-to-win being a commerical effort, you need to get angry at the courts
[01:03:57] <skyboy> i want to make a tweet about it, but evidently they don't have a twitter, and i don't want to include a link. hm.
[01:04:09] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: you yourself have done nothign, but tonight you are speaking on behalf of the network "Serendipity Networks"
[01:04:12] <@FireBall1725> *nothing
[01:04:26] <Rorax> JoeDeath, you don't get to wash your hands like that. you are in here arguing black and blue that everything the server is doing is above board. you don't get to say "well it isn't my fault" when you are clearly a representative of the server
[01:04:36] <JoeDeath> And told you I cannot do anything, speak with Tubby... Who was informed as he landed from a flight...
[01:04:48] <@FireBall1725> well, i assume he has a phone?
[01:04:48] <Riking> I wonder what the wording there was
[01:04:56] <@FireBall1725> they make teamspeak for mobile phones
[01:04:59] <JoeDeath> When someone attacks the server I donate my time to, I tend to come find out what's going on Rorax
[01:04:59] <Riking> did it include "grum seems pissed"
[01:05:11] <Roadcrosser> teamspeak on iOS costs money
[01:05:15] <Rorax> great. still doesn't mean you aren't a representative
[01:05:20] <Roadcrosser> not sure what mobile he'd be using though
[01:05:23] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: i suppose you thought this could just get swept under the table, but this is not going anywhere
[01:05:38] <@FireBall1725> we are here and now, and actions need to be taken, the easiest one would be to remove the store
[01:05:45] <skyboy> JoeDeath: well then, if you're not going to be removing my mods i will be sending you a bill for the time i put into the mods
[01:05:48] <@FireBall1725> ask your owner for the password, and we are done
[01:05:50] <Rorax> Tubby could also call fireball? phones generally work like that?
[01:05:55] <JoeDeath> I don't think it needs to be swept under the table... I personally find this to be an uncomprimising stance from some uninformed people... Tubby has the last say
[01:06:01] <@FireBall1725> i dont want Tubby having my phone number
[01:06:01] <skyboy> a year's worth of work at $100/hr is quite a high bill.
[01:06:26] <@FireBall1725> ^
[01:06:28] <JoeDeath> He's working Rorax... his job... the thing he actually makes money off of. He shouldn't have to call to try and save his hobby that he shares with other people...
[01:06:32] <@FireBall1725> that is a large bill there skyboy
[01:06:35] <Riking> skyboy, I don't think it works like that, unless you're offering that in exchange for a license to TE
[01:06:44] <Riking> I think the next step is supposed to be litigation
[01:06:47] <Riking> civil suit
[01:06:52] <@FireBall1725> hey skyboy want to take us all out to dinner at pax east
[01:06:58] <skyboy> lol
[01:07:03] <Rorax> uh yes, he should have to call to save his hobby. because he made it more than a hobby when he started breaking the rules
[01:07:12] <MoxieGrrl> ...lemme see how much that plane ticket is...
[01:08:04] <Rorax> there is no way in hell you can convince any lawyer that those are "donations" they are clearly sales.
[01:08:08] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: so he has access to the internet...
[01:08:16] <@FireBall1725> im guessing from his mobile
[01:08:17] <skyboy> Riking: he would like to continue selling TE's items, which if he pays me $100/hr for every hour of work i do on it he is very welcome to do. however, i don't think his users are going to be able to afford the cost of the items he'll be selling
[01:08:45] <Rorax> well if he can't afford server costs skyboy...
[01:09:06] <@FireBall1725> im not trying to shutdown any networks, just stop the illegal use of mods
[01:09:20] <@FireBall1725> find another way to keep your network up
[01:09:28] <MoxieGrrl> Like real donations.
[01:09:38] <@FireBall1725> actually, true story, i found this network when someone suggested i stream there, because it was good, so i went and checked it out
[01:09:39] <JoeDeath> Any of you feel like donating out of the goodness of your hearts?
[01:09:47] <MoxieGrrl> I already do to several things.
[01:09:48] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: i donate to things all the time
[01:09:50] <Rorax> run the server. just do it right and above board shit. If the server is so unpopular that people stop playing outright because you take away pay to win mechanics then boo fucking hoo no one really cared about the server afterall
[01:10:32] <phily> pay to win is lame
[01:10:34] <MysteriousAges> I tend to not want to give my money to people who have called me an idiot.
[01:10:36] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: i support mod devs on pateron, i support streamers by subbing, i support streamers by donating
[01:10:43] <Rorax> I have a patreon Joe. people are donating to me. they don't have any promises on return, they just do out of the goodness of their heart
[01:10:50] <MysteriousAges> But that may just be a quirk I have.
[01:10:54] <@FireBall1725> infact most of the money i make from donations i get go back out to other people to help them
[01:11:02] <JoeDeath> I have never seen a damn thing on Patreon that doesn't have a return to it Rorax...
[01:11:18] <skyboy> oh, really?
[01:11:22] <@FireBall1725> lol, lol
[01:11:27] <Riking> http://www.patreon.com/brucewillakers
[01:11:28] <JoeDeath> I donate to LRR's twitch channel, and soon their patreon, in return I get skits, shorts, all kinds of videos and streams
[01:11:43] <Riking> None of those have any real.... monetary value
[01:11:46] <Rorax> no they don't promise that shit
[01:11:53] <Rorax> they say they will try.
[01:11:54] <@FireBall1725> http://www.patreon.com/algorithmx2
[01:11:57] <skyboy> http://www.patreon.com/TeamCoFH
[01:12:03] <Rorax> the shit on your site. it is GAURENTEED
[01:12:03] <JoeDeath> Hey look Riking, people get things when they donate there
[01:12:11] <MiX-MaN> i donate to a few youtubers... cause they make me laugh
[01:12:13] <@FireBall1725> Algo is still getting $40.00/mo even though he dosn't do AE anymore, because people want to support him
[01:12:17] <MiX-MaN> in return i get more laughs :)
[01:12:22] <Riking> JoeDeath, let's see. A video early. A chat. An email address.
[01:12:42] <JoeDeath> It's something...
[01:12:47] <Riking> None of those are goods, real or virtual, though
[01:12:51] <Riking> You're selling virtual goods
[01:12:52] <@FireBall1725> http://www.patreon.com/pahimar <- ooh name in video
[01:13:09] <@FireBall1725> and pahimar is a great example of pateron
[01:13:12] <MysteriousAges> No way Fireball, you missed his $1 tier
[01:13:17] <MysteriousAges> YOU GET GRATITUDE.
[01:13:20] <Rorax> you know what I get for donating to breast cancer awareness? a little pink ribbon !
[01:13:24] <JoeDeath> *sigh* outnumbered... Tubby has taken down the item packages btw
[01:13:27] <@FireBall1725> yea, and how many are doing that MysteriousAges ?
[01:13:33] <MysteriousAges> 32
[01:13:39] <Grum> Rorax: OGM SUCH WSATE
[01:13:41] <MysteriousAges> Oh, you mean Patreons
[01:13:48] <@FireBall1725> Thank you JoeDeath that is all we asked for
[01:13:54] <JoeDeath> You know what I get for donating to Breath of life Rorax? The knowledge that maybe someone won't die of lung cancer like my mother in law did... BUT I GET SOMETHING
[01:13:59] <Roadcrosser> now can we stop this?
[01:14:01] <Roadcrosser> Please.
[01:14:07] <Rorax> Right Thanks JoeDeath for pressuring Tubby
[01:14:20] <Roadcrosser> maybe a post to the FTB subreddit though
[01:14:22] <JoeDeath> You high horsed idiot Rorax... Go play in traffic
[01:14:31] <jadedcat> He missed one
[01:14:33] <Rorax> exactly JoeDeath, the little pink ribbon isn't why I donate
[01:14:43] <jadedcat> Item reward bags for AgSkies are still for sale
[01:14:44] <@FireBall1725> oh yea, jadedcat's AG skies bags are still there
[01:14:56] <JoeDeath> Tubby is in the process of disabling the store Fireball... Please remove the tweet
[01:15:11] <@FireBall1725> I shall do no such thing
[01:15:11] <Riking> what? lol
[01:15:16] <Roadcrosser> lol
[01:15:21] <Rorax> so before you lambast me for being sarcastic about a ribbon, how about you consider why I donate to breast cancer awareness in the first place eh?
[01:15:27] <@FireBall1725> the word needs to get out there to all the "other servers" that might be doing the same thing
[01:15:31] <phily> i feel like that tweet should stay for eternity so others will not do such stupid things
[01:15:34] <Roadcrosser> FireBall1725: you should post your tweet to /r/feedthebeast
[01:15:51] <@FireBall1725> great idea Roadcrosser, i dont use reddit, but anyone else is free too
[01:15:57] <Roadcrosser> alright
[01:15:59] <Roadcrosser> I'll do it
[01:16:30] <Rorax> Although fireball you might like to make a tweet saying thanks to serendipity for taking the highroad by taking the kits down
[01:16:41] <@FireBall1725> sure Rorax
[01:16:43] <MoxieGrrl> Yeah, that would be good.
[01:16:45] <MysteriousAges> ^
[01:17:55] <Blarghedy> I just like that JoeDeath has been so nice during this whole discussion
[01:18:05] <Blarghedy> what a solid, upstanding citizen of the internet
[01:18:08] <Roadcrosser> can't think of a nice title though
[01:18:19] <Rorax> Honestly Blarghedy he could of been MUCH worse
[01:18:25] <Roadcrosser> "FireBall1725 calls out a server for selling mod items for money."
[01:18:27] <Roadcrosser> this good?
[01:18:28] <Blarghedy> this is true
[01:18:32] <Blarghedy> sounds good to me, Roadcrosser
[01:18:35] <Roadcrosser> k
[01:18:42] <JoeDeath> I'm not a pleasant person... Tubby is much better at dealing with people than I, it's why the server is successful... I dislike people that can't leave well enough alone. That have to push and push and ruin everything for everyone...
[01:18:44] <Rorax> so thanks JoeDeath for actually coming to the table
[01:18:44] <Roadcrosser> Posted!
[01:18:52] <@FireBall1725> I will remove the tweet JoeDeath
[01:18:54] <Roadcrosser> http://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/2rdm2j/fireball1725_calls_out_a_server_for_selling_mod/
[01:18:55] <Roadcrosser> dangit
[01:18:57] <Blarghedy> whaaaaat
[01:18:58] <JoeDeath> Thank you Fireball
[01:19:00] <Roadcrosser> I just posted the tweet
[01:19:01] <Blarghedy> that's silly
[01:19:01] <@FireBall1725> i will make a new one
[01:19:07] <Roadcrosser> now what
[01:19:09] <@FireBall1725> i dont want any lasting issues
[01:19:18] <@FireBall1725> I am not here to take down Serendipity Networks
[01:19:27] <Roadcrosser> I already posted the tweet dangit
[01:19:34] <Roadcrosser> so
[01:19:39] <MysteriousAges> Too slow. ;p
[01:19:41] <skyboy> JoeDeath: 'well enough' is not necessarily so
[01:19:41] <Grum> you are now just going to get new people visiting that would otherwise have never heard of your server JoeDeath ;D
[01:19:55] <MysteriousAges> Also don't know why you have to inflame a situation that's already been resolved. XP
[01:20:02] <MysteriousAges> Grum: That's just going to increase their server costs!
[01:20:03] <@FireBall1725> the tweet has been removed
[01:20:28] <Roadcrosser> should I delete my reddit post
[01:20:28] <Roadcrosser> http://puu.sh/e5Qm7/165417744d.png
[01:20:36] <Grum> yes you should i guess
[01:20:39] <Roadcrosser> k
[01:20:44] <Grum> or just reply
[01:20:44] <JoeDeath> Fireball, Tubby does have Skype access and would like to speak with you without the peanut gallery
[01:20:46] <@FireBall1725> that is fine Roadcrosser
[01:20:50] <Roadcrosser> too late
[01:20:50] <Grum> 'all fixed! Thanks ....'
[01:20:51] <Roadcrosser> deleted :P
[01:20:53] <Blarghedy> can I watch
[01:21:08] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: this is not the Peanut gallery
[01:21:17] <@FireBall1725> this is the Forge Modded Community
[01:21:22] <skyboy> plus grum
[01:21:27] <MoxieGrrl> Heh.
[01:21:32] <@FireBall1725> yea, sure, we can let grum in on it too
[01:21:36] <JoeDeath> Skyboy might be legitimate... I have difficulty believing that half the people piping in here have any ground to stand on
[01:21:37] <Riking> Yeah, reddit / twitter is the peanut gallery...
[01:21:39] <@FireBall1725> also, it wasnt just me that had an issue
[01:21:40] <skyboy> it's like the G8 is the 7 richest countries in the world, plus russia
[01:21:56] <Grum> haha i do not want to be in on anything
[01:21:58] <Grum> LEAVE ME ALONE! ;D
[01:22:01] <@FireBall1725> lol
[01:22:09] <Roadcrosser> I'll post a screenshot of the tweet though
[01:22:21] <@FireBall1725> Roadcrosser: just leave their network name out of it
[01:22:27] <Roadcrosser> :/
[01:22:35] <@FireBall1725> the issue with their network has been solved, not trying to bash it into the ground
[01:22:42] <Roadcrosser> but I was gonna include your latets tweet thanking them
[01:22:43] <Roadcrosser> oh well
[01:22:46] <Roadcrosser> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:22:49] <Roadcrosser> alright
[01:23:04] <JoeDeath> Anyway to send a private message on this damn thing? I never use IRC
[01:23:12] <Blarghedy> right click on the username
[01:23:13] <Rorax> JoeDeath, Azanor = Thaumcraft, Skyboy = a boat load, Grum = Mojang, Fireball = AE2, Me = a dev but nothing on your server
[01:23:14] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: have him come on IRC, we can make a room
[01:23:17] <Blarghedy> click appropriate option
[01:23:33] <Roadcrosser> lol
[01:23:37] <Roadcrosser> the gang's all here
[01:23:41] <Riking> *insert 'get a room' joke*
[01:23:42] <@FireBall1725> or have him come here
[01:23:45] <@FireBall1725> that is fine as well
[01:23:48] <JoeDeath> I'm assuming he's requesting Skype for the ease of access from where he currently is
[01:23:49] <Grum> hahah skyboy is a boat loader
[01:23:50] <Roadcrosser> FireBall1725: can I have a PNG of that screenshot
[01:23:54] <Roadcrosser> so I can edit it
[01:23:57] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: i dont use skype
[01:24:10] <skyboy> Grum: with the right size font
[01:24:15] <JoeDeath> A dev that doesn't use Skype... interesting...
[01:24:20] <Rorax> Fireball got burned by DDOS by using Skype
[01:24:28] <@FireBall1725> yea
[01:24:28] <Blarghedy> skype is so bad >.>
[01:24:31] <Riking> ^
[01:24:36] <@FireBall1725> ddos's are active this time of year
[01:24:49] <skyboy> scale it such that each character is 1 page, and 150,000 line of code (sans whitespace/comments) is probably going to fill a boat
[01:24:51] <Riking> FireBall1725, minecraft servers attract ddos-es in general
[01:24:54] <JoeDeath> Funny, normally you have to piss someone off before you get DDoS'd
[01:25:00] <@FireBall1725> nah JoeDeath
[01:25:05] <jadedcat> I don't touch Skype if I can avoid it
[01:25:08] <Riking> JoeDeath, is that victim blaming I hear?
[01:25:09] <MysteriousAges> You just have to be streaming.
[01:25:09] <Grum> skyboy: only if you print it ;)
[01:25:24] <@FireBall1725> you just have to be a partnered streamer with thousands of people
[01:25:31] <MysteriousAges> Not even
[01:25:31] <skyboy> JoeDeath: anything a mod dev changes, for the larger mods, may result in a DDoS
[01:25:32] <@FireBall1725> so some 10yo can laugh at what he did
[01:25:32] <JoeDeath> Nope, we got DDoS'd when we banned someone for Towny and LWC bypass... Little kid got ahold of mommy's credit card and a botnet
[01:25:37] <MysteriousAges> Morvy gets DDOS'd if her skype is on.
[01:25:43] <@FireBall1725> ahh true
[01:25:47] <Riking> s/and a botnet//
[01:25:48] <JoeDeath> Just saying, normally it requires someone to get angry, legitimately or not
[01:25:48] <jadedcat> its just asking to get DDOS'd, Teamspeak or CurseVoice for me... they don't go "hi random person let me give you this persons IP and other information just cause"
[01:25:51] <@FireBall1725> morvy got it the other day
[01:26:17] <jadedcat> part of that is that Morv's name is not hard to guess
[01:26:24] <@FireBall1725> and if you would knew Morvy then you would know that you dont have to piss someone off
[01:26:43] <jadedcat> if you are going to use Skype and don't want attacked, you'd better have a hard to guess username
[01:26:53] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: just relay what he has to say then
[01:27:02] <Roadcrosser> nvm got it http://new.tinygrab.com/2b6c45923ca9e42ebc886cdb5d1bd1abf3d33afa9c.png
[01:27:07] <@FireBall1725> we can go to a private room if that suites you better
[01:27:13] <Grum> I could ddos 50 americans easily! puny internet lines they have ;)
[01:27:17] <@FireBall1725> but what he has to say to me, also goes for others here
[01:27:26] <MysteriousAges> I'm going to DDOS Rorax.
[01:27:33] <skyboy> JoeDeath: i had people angry over the fact i broke 'squid reactors' in MFR by fixing the bug where you could burn any of the 16 dyes into biofuel
[01:27:33] <MysteriousAges> By sending her an HD cat picture.
[01:27:34] <MysteriousAges> X3
[01:27:37] <@FireBall1725> lol
[01:27:39] <Grum> me too! /msg Rorax DDODDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSS .. done!
[01:27:39] <Cassandra> Grum: It'd only be fair, given the DDoS we put in your arteries when you were here for GDC. <3
[01:27:43] <Ecu> Hrm.. wonder if my mod items are being sold there too..
[01:27:46] <skyboy> it is very easy to anger people when you're a mod dev
[01:27:51] <Rorax> nuuuuu
[01:27:56] <Riking> Ecu, the entire store is removed as of this time
[01:27:57] <@FireBall1725> that is also true skyboy
[01:27:58] <Rorax> my stream!!!!... wait
[01:27:59] <Riking> er
[01:28:01] <MysteriousAges> hehehe
[01:28:01] <Ecu> Ah.
[01:28:04] <Riking> all "item kits"
[01:28:06] <Grum> Cassandra: mmmmm bluecheesjalepenoburgerswithgarliccheesefriesx10
[01:28:06] <MoxieGrrl> Would the cat picture even have to be HD?
[01:28:10] <Riking> he's still selling plugin permissions
[01:28:18] <Grum> Cassandra: LOOK WHAT YOU DID! YOU MADE ME HUNGRY
[01:28:27] <Grum> and its 07:30 here :/
[01:28:29] <Rorax> hmmm?
[01:28:31] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: im not installing skype again, so it will either need to be a relay, or teamspeak, or here
[01:28:32] <Cassandra> Pff
[01:28:35] <Riking> but only one person here can continue on that grounds
[01:28:46] <Cassandra> ..I've made me hungry, too.
[01:29:00] <Cassandra> I haven't eaten since like, three in the morning? And it's 10:30 now. >.>
[01:29:01] <@FireBall1725> as far as i care, JoeDeath everything is good, you have removed the store items to buy items
[01:29:05] <Cassandra> (pm)
[01:29:13] <MoxieGrrl> I have pizza with sausage, ham, and onions.
[01:29:18] <@FireBall1725> i have removed the tweet
[01:29:22] <MoxieGrrl> I'm pondering eating more of it.
[01:29:26] <skyboy> 6 devs
[01:29:33] <@FireBall1725> and even sent you a tweet thanking you for the removal
[01:29:35] <Ecu> Riking, technically isn't that still against the EULA?  I mean, I thought the whole idea behind the EULA enforcement was you cannot pay for features of a server period (except paying for server access itself).. but I suppose I could be wrong.
[01:29:41] <Riking> Ecu, yes it is
[01:29:49] <Riking> but only one person here can continue on that grounds
[01:29:57] <jadedcat> can pay for decorative things
[01:30:04] <Rorax> yeah cosmetic items are okay
[01:30:05] * Cassandra decorates jadedcat
[01:30:13] <Ecu> jadedcat, decorative items? :P
[01:30:19] <jadedcat> pretties
[01:30:20] <jadedcat> :p
[01:30:32] <Riking> Ecu, buying the privedlege to put blocks in your helmet slot?
[01:30:38] <Ecu> I'm saying.. like could you make something like carpenter's.. behind a paywall?
[01:30:53] <MoxieGrrl> Not the mod, no.
[01:30:59] <skyboy> unless the mod allows that
[01:31:00] <Ecu> The blocks themselves.
[01:31:06] <Rorax> As far as I see it Serendipty have done their due for tonight, they can tweak things in the coming days
[01:31:12] <Riking> Forge isn't really set up for that
[01:31:17] <jadedcat> not allowed in game currency for sale either
[01:31:40] <Ecu> If say.. you made the mod yourself (you make a pretty block mod).. that has not mechanical benefit.. and just have different visuals.
[01:31:53] <Rorax> carpenters is a mod so no
[01:32:00] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: are you still with us here?
[01:32:20] <JoeDeath> On and off, I'm still trying to keep players on 7 different servers happy
[01:32:47] <Rorax> according to the EULA ecu, the "cosmetic" thing is related to the player model
[01:32:58] <Riking> except capes?
[01:33:06] <@FireBall1725> no capes
[01:33:08] <Rorax> right because capes are mojangs
[01:33:15] <@FireBall1725> i want a fireball cape
[01:33:19] <@FireBall1725> lol
[01:33:36] <@FireBall1725> actually i want that sword that tema has on his back
[01:33:51] <Rorax> but you could make a shoes mod, put in your own EULA that it is ok to sell items on servers from the shoes mod. and then sell the shoes
[01:33:56] <Rorax> and by shoes I don't mean armor
[01:34:04] <Rorax> I mean a model attachment
[01:34:12] <skyboy> FireBall1725: we'll just make a better cape and call it a cloak and somehow trick Azanor into making it render beautifully
[01:34:20] <Riking> Rorax, if it's your own mod you can skip that EULA part
[01:34:25] <@FireBall1725> lol, there we go skyboy i like it
[01:34:27] <Azanor> >.>
[01:34:27] <Ecu> Ah.  So make a cosmetic clothing mod.. and sell the clothing.
[01:34:42] <Roadcrosser> as long as they don't provide armor
[01:34:51] * Ecu nods.
[01:34:53] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: as far as this all goes, is Tubby going to come on or do anything if not, i need to take my leave
[01:34:53] <Rorax> pretty sure a lawyer could get you on the 2% thing even if you called it a cloak :P
[01:35:01] <Ecu> Must be completely cosmetic. :3
[01:35:05] <Roadcrosser> FireBall1725: The best you're gonna get is a music disk that plays rickroll
[01:35:23] <Rorax> right Ecu, can't have any gameplay effect apart from visual
[01:35:25] <skyboy> isn't that song under copyright?
[01:35:25] <@FireBall1725> Roadcrosser: someone actually rickrolled me with a donation the other day, i read it and was like what is that from
[01:35:40] <Rorax> now that area might get muddy if the effect is making you invisible entirely or something :P ?
[01:35:45] <Roadcrosser> there's a ritual to get rwtema's sword
[01:35:49] <Riking> knees weak, arms heavy, mom's spaghetti
[01:35:56] <Roadcrosser> but it actually give you a rickroll music disk
[01:35:57] <JoeDeath> Tubby cannot meet you here, and you cannot meet him on Skype, so it will have to wait until he is settled in somewhere that isn't an airport Fireball
[01:36:11] <Riking> Roadcrosser, it just *says* that, it actually plays 13
[01:36:19] <Roadcrosser> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:36:26] <Roadcrosser> my speakers were off when I played it
[01:36:26] <Riking> and 2% for that
[01:36:34] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: well, as stated before, the issue here isnt just with me but also with the other mod developers and mod pack makers (such as jadedcat) who are with us today
[01:36:36] <Roadcrosser> oh a 2% chance
[01:36:36] <MoxieGrrl> Fireball saying "no capes" reminded me of the Incredibles thing.
[01:36:37] <@FireBall1725> i dont speak for them
[01:36:43] <Roadcrosser> MoxieGrrl ^
[01:36:49] <@FireBall1725> so can you relay messages from him then to all of us
[01:36:55] <Roadcrosser> good thing I recently got a pseudo inversion sigil
[01:37:01] <Roadcrosser> I can craft ALL the etheric swords
[01:37:06] <JoeDeath> Not in any sort of productive environment no Fireball
[01:37:27] <Rorax> nah 2% is "two degrees" in law speak which is something "two degrees" different. which is subjective anyway
[01:37:33] <Roadcrosser> :<
[01:37:34] <Roadcrosser> http://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/2rdnoz/fireball1725_calls_out_a_server_for_selling_mod/
[01:37:36] <Roadcrosser> new thread!
[01:37:43] <Roadcrosser> this time with screenshots and info editted out
[01:37:52] <Cassandra> I speak for FireBall1725 though, and I believe his official statement is "pants are itchy and I don't like them."
[01:38:03] <@FireBall1725> yep Cassy
[01:38:04] <MoxieGrrl> Heh.
[01:38:07] <Roadcrosser> shorts are comfortable and easy to wear
[01:38:07] <@FireBall1725> that is why i stream naked!
[01:38:12] <Rorax> if something in law (at least in NZ) is "two degrees" different aka "different enough" then it can't be the same thing in the eyes of the law
[01:38:12] <MoxieGrrl> Wait, what?
[01:38:17] <@FireBall1725> im kidding :)
[01:38:44] <MoxieGrrl> Brings to mind Rune and the mankini...
[01:39:06] <@FireBall1725> JoeDeath: i sent you a message, you should have a tab or something that opened
[01:39:11] <@FireBall1725> also, brb
[01:39:22] <Cassandra> Skirts are even more comfortable and easier to wear. ;)
[01:40:46] <MoxieGrrl> So I've paid attention on IRC more than in game and I've almost starved to death. THANKS HUNGER OVERHAUL!
[01:41:01] <Rorax> skirts are the greatest invention ^_^ I think men should go back to wearing skirts too!
[01:41:23] <MoxieGrrl> There's always the utilikilt.