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11:54 AM Blaise said: Welcome to the future Aris
11:54 AM Aris said: Thanks, Doctor Who.
11:56 AM Aris said: Good to see ya I was just commenting on how dull irc is when you aren't in there going 70 lines per minute.
11:58 AM Telamon said: Its going to get interesting
11:58 AM Telamon said: when there are 12 Telamon's in here
11:58 AM Telamon said: or 14 Blaises
11:58 AM Aris said: So you can't lock down your name?
11:58 AM Telamon said: Now selling name coloring (verification for 100$)
11:58 AM Blaise said: hahaha
11:58 AM Telamon said: (kidding)
11:59 AM Blaise said: You can register but I don't know that it has an impact on shown handle
11:59 AM Telamon said: It does not seem to support unique names (which is good, and bad)
12:00 PM Telamon said: At the moment not sure they even require a valid email/verification, but im sure that will change
12:01 PM Telamon said: Not that irc does, but at least you can register a name, and have a visible hostmask
12:02 PM Aris said: So is this pretty much the same as irc as far as rules go?
12:03 PM Telamon said: Its a combined text/voice chat system
12:03 PM Telamon said: with steamish integration
12:03 PM Telamon said: But as you can see from Joshius in the list, it will be used to advertise other servers
12:03 PM Aris said: Rules as in UOR IRC Rules
12:03 PM Telamon said: Obviously
12:03 PM Aris said: Ahhh ok, so you own this, duh, I see now.
12:04 PM Aris said: Err own this 'channel'.
12:04 PM Telamon said: This channel yes
12:04 PM Telamon said: But 12 people could create simliar named channels
12:05 PM Telamon said: not much to reserve here
12:05 PM Telamon said: We are just feeling it out
12:05 PM Telamon said: We will most likely use it as the official voice service soon
12:05 PM Telamon said: once I have time to update the website
12:05 PM Blaise said: Yeah, it's amazing for voice simplicity
12:05 PM Blaise said: still has some growth for text to beat out IRC
12:05 PM Blaise said: but IRC has like 30 years of game already
12:06 PM Telamon said: When your just playing with friends, or a guild im sure its great
12:06 PM Blaise said: https://youtu.be/KTJUMOzx_zE
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12:06 PM Telamon said: but if there is any way,  like Josh's tag,  to attack a free server
12:06 PM Blaise said: 😛
12:07 PM Telamon said: and without auto antispam moderation,  it would be a nightmare
12:07 PM Telamon said: once people realize how easy it is to attack
12:07 PM Aris said: so cant he just be removed from the channel?
12:07 PM Telamon said: He can of course
12:07 PM Telamon said: And rejoin 2 min later
12:07 PM Telamon said: with the same name
12:07 PM Aris said: yeah without darkwings bot kicking for literally everything, you might have to have someone here  24/7
12:07 PM Blaise said: you can make bots for it to
12:07 PM Telamon said: Darkwings bot had all the other server addys pre programmed
12:07 PM Telamon said: Of course
12:07 PM Telamon said: Im sure that will be a fun use of my free time 😃
12:08 PM Telamon said: (ive already looked at the windows API for this)
12:08 PM Aris said: so if someone wanted to cause trouble, there's not a surefire way to ban them from this channel?
12:08 PM Aris said: sorry i could go google and learn about this stuff but since you are here ill just ask
12:09 PM Aris said: and dont get excited bartimus, not THAT google
12:09 PM Telamon said: I think its just account based, no IP/hostmask
12:09 PM Telamon said: nothing to stop someone from being back in 30 seconds
12:09 PM Aris said: ahhh yeah thats a drawback
12:09 PM Telamon said: Someone could design a bot to spam the channel endlessly (based on what ive seen)
12:09 PM Telamon said: using a throw away ID each time
12:10 PM Telamon said: Now you can do cool shit here, like removing posts
12:10 PM Telamon said: so a sophisticated admin bot can keep things clean
12:10 PM Telamon said: not exactly "Discord Admins" we can go to to report abuse either
12:10 PM Blaise said: and disallowing unregisterd/validated people from even posting
12:10 PM Blaise said: for starters
12:10 PM Blaise said: boom,
12:11 PM Blaise said: instant no-spam and if you want to be a part of the community, identify yourself
12:11 PM Telamon said: There isnt a group for  validated/non validated blaise
12:11 PM Telamon said: everyone is simply in the "everyone group"
12:11 PM Blaise said: There is a server setting for it
12:11 PM Blaise said: and you make a new group
12:12 PM Blaise said: under Overview, you can make sure they're validated users AND have been members for x minutes
12:12 PM Blaise said: before they can post anything
12:12 PM Telamon said: Yea I see it
12:12 PM Blaise said: you can also make a group for people who can post at all
12:12 PM Telamon said: 0, verified email, 5 min or 10 min
12:12 PM Blaise said: and only add people who have registered on the forums
12:12 PM Telamon said: Yea,  just the time to add people manually
12:12 PM Blaise said: APIs
12:12 PM Telamon said: My main problem now is god dam google
12:12 PM Telamon said: not allowing emails half the time
12:12 PM Blaise said: hahaha
12:12 PM Telamon said: Im manually having to approve people daily
12:12 PM Blaise said: glory day
12:13 PM Telamon said: If this was all my job,  all reasonable,  irc just keeps life easy
12:13 PM Telamon said: This is a WAY better option for guilds who use voice chat
12:15 PM Telamon said: not that there is a link, but all the servers that jumped ship to discord, seem to be having activity issues
12:16 PM Telamon said: Ironically one of the things I like IRC for, and we police is people using the UOR community to find people to play non UO games with
12:17 PM Blaise said: Anyone easily swayed by such attempts were not going to be substantial members of the community anyway.
12:17 PM Telamon said: People always talk to friends, but the "former UO players looking for someone to play _ with" crowwd
12:17 PM Blaise said: There's a whole world of games out there and very few UOR players are solely UO players or solely UOR players.
12:18 PM Telamon said: Player retention is important, and players who stick with UOR tend to enjoy it
12:18 PM Blaise said: Policing of who talks about what games, is a waste of time, in my opinion.
12:18 PM Aris said: there's something about the community that uor still has thats a draw too.  though i dont get out and socialize with them, anyone who's not some lone antisocial creeper will be attracted to uor
12:18 PM Blaise said: If people want to play something else, they will and they won't rely on who says what in IRC to decide or find it.
12:18 PM Telamon said: Its the concept of using a community the players built, to advertise/recruit for something because you are bored with UOR
12:19 PM Telamon said: Its not stopping them from doing it, its simple disrespect
12:19 PM Blaise said: The assumption that their intent is to recruit instead of just talk about it and see who else is into the same shit, seems a bit off.
12:19 PM Telamon said: Every single game on steam has a community linked to it
12:19 PM Blaise said: like talking about football
12:19 PM Blaise said: that's a game but no one's getting banned because everyone just logged their FF site
12:20 PM Telamon said: I want to play _ game.  Do I A. Go to the UOR community looking for people to play with
12:20 PM Telamon said: or do I B. Go to the games community to look for people to play with
12:20 PM Telamon said: In both situations, the player does not seem interested in playing UO
12:20 PM Blaise said: I would go to whatever community I'm a part of and see if any of my friends are into the same thing because people would alsywa start with friends
12:20 PM Blaise said: and it doesnt' mean I don't want ot play UO anymore it just means I also play other things
12:20 PM Blaise said: which is kind of like everyone I know
12:21 PM Blaise said: but not by blasting spam
12:21 PM Blaise said: but talking about games and if people are into it, they are
12:21 PM Telamon said: You do, personally blaise
12:21 PM Blaise said: not everything is a sales pitch
12:21 PM Telamon said: But most of our players, play UO, and play it very dedicatedly
12:21 PM Blaise said: and not everything is an attack
12:21 PM Blaise said: ie: Playing status
12:21 PM Blaise said: I disagree with that assessment.
12:21 PM Telamon said: I dont consider it an attack,  Just simple respect in my book
12:22 PM Blaise said: Well you called it one earlier, or vaguely referred to it as a potential
12:22 PM Telamon said: And you say friends,  opeople can talk to their friends all they want
12:22 PM Telamon said: if someone is your friend, then the UOR community seems like the last place for primary communication
12:22 PM Blaise said: well if the UOR community is nearly all friends
12:22 PM Blaise said: and we engage in conversations about otherworldly things
12:22 PM Telamon said: Im talking about someone trying to recruit people to be interested in what they are interested in, using a group of 150 people brought together by UOR
12:23 PM Blaise said: and I'm saying that you take it too seriously and waste your time worrying about other games instead of just staying strong on your values and development, which will be what retains players
12:23 PM Blaise said: not bannishment for discourse about alternatives
12:23 PM Telamon said: Using the basis of not everyone knows, about every game
12:23 PM Telamon said: Would UOR exist if I went into IRC every day and listed 20 games I think are more fun
?
12:23 PM Telamon said: To "play with my friends"
12:23 PM Blaise said: yes, if you wanted it to
12:24 PM Aris said: Today's UO isn't like the old days where we all got heavily invested and pretty much didn't play anything else.
12:24 PM Blaise said: besides, I don't think anyone could list 20 games that are more fun
12:24 PM Blaise said: and it's free
12:24 PM Aris said: Not to mention in the old days the select of games to be played online isn't what it is today.
12:24 PM Telamon said: So the logic is, don't protect the community from players looking for people to play other games
12:24 PM Blaise said: right
12:24 PM Telamon said: Who have million $ budgets
12:24 PM Blaise said: because the people who play here will play here
12:24 PM Telamon said: while we get by on 500$ a month
12:24 PM Blaise said: regardless
12:25 PM Blaise said: Anyone fickle enough to jump ship for that
12:25 PM Blaise said: wasn't sticking around anyway
12:25 PM Telamon said: How quick would I be burned at the stake if something allowed UOR to have 100 online
12:25 PM Blaise said: and if they go somewhere else for something they like better, good?
12:25 PM Telamon said: Because everyone is off doing something else
12:25 PM Blaise said: that's what they should do, this is entertainment
12:25 PM Telamon said: Blaise you are looking at the result
12:25 PM Telamon said: Im saying, they wouldn't have been distracted if the choice wasnt made available
12:25 PM Telamon said: The same reason I don't give every new player a menu of UO servers
12:25 PM Blaise said: so deer in the headlights is the answer to player retention?
12:25 PM Telamon said: teh day they start
12:26 PM Telamon said: UOR is the only server, and I want them to know that
12:26 PM Blaise said: not commitment to goals and development?
12:26 PM Blaise said: because I disagree
12:26 PM Blaise said: Everyone knows UOR is not the only server and you make yourself look foolish for trying to act that way.
12:26 PM Telamon said: So when someone lures a player off to UOF, and they drop 100$ on items,  its going to be a cakewalk to get them back with"commitement and development"
12:26 PM Blaise said: Accept there is competition, be better than them
12:26 PM Telamon said: Once you invest financially in a place,you tend to stick it out
12:26 PM Blaise said: and offer people to go try the comp and welcome them back when they learn the hard way
12:27 PM Blaise said: that's not true really, I put about $600 into XBox/games this year and still spend more time on UOR
12:27 PM Telamon said: Because of course the competition is honesty, truthful, and not in it for the profit
12:27 PM Telamon said: UOF has built an existance on basically lying to its players about patches
12:27 PM Blaise said: If it were my call and someone said UOF in my channel I'd say go for it. See you when you get back.
12:27 PM Blaise said: If that's what floats their boat, more power to them
12:28 PM Telamon said: And when our harder, tougher ruleset is to much for them, and they have a choice between sticking it out
12:28 PM Telamon said: because UOR is the one server they know
12:28 PM Blaise said: I, and many others, respect what you've done here. None of us need a babysitter telling us that other games don't exist.
12:28 PM Telamon said: or simply jumping ship to one of the 20 easier servers that you think they need to know about/try
12:28 PM Telamon said: the end result is?
12:28 PM Blaise said: player play where they are happiest
12:28 PM Telamon said: Learn Felucca or GTFO?
12:28 PM Blaise said: the end
12:28 PM Blaise said: yes
12:28 PM Blaise said: If you don't want to build Felucca, why did you start this?
12:29 PM Blaise said: You wanted a perfected shard
12:29 PM Blaise said: and that includes the harsh risks of Felucca
12:29 PM Blaise said: games have a learning curve and teaching is the answer
12:29 PM Telamon said: Because I want a chance for people to learn to love UOR, before someone slams them with 20 other misleading options
12:29 PM Aris said: But why can't he cater in some aspects to the Trammel-ish player?
12:29 PM Blaise said: not squelching
12:29 PM Telamon said: 19 of which want 100$ for items
12:29 PM Blaise said: He already does, has and will again Aris.
12:29 PM Telamon said: People dont matgically start on day 1 commited to UOR
it takes time to learn
12:29 PM Blaise said: It doesn't please everyone but it pleases many.
12:29 PM Aris said: Nothing wrong with that, the two types of play can co-exist.
12:29 PM Blaise said: Right and if you have what they want here, they stay. If you don't, they won't
12:29 PM Telamon said: My existance is dedicated to teaching them felucca, and keeping as many as I can
12:30 PM Telamon said: not giving them a menu to other optionsd, that might be easier, when they have a bad day
12:30 PM Blaise said: Has nothing to do with what they heard in IRC.
12:30 PM Aris said: My wife won't hunt in Deceit any longer, but does aMibs with me.  No harm done.
12:30 PM Blaise said: Yeah, just different sides of hte coin man
12:30 PM Blaise said: I'm all about go head and find better if you think you can
12:30 PM Blaise said: You won't, but I urge you to try
12:30 PM Blaise said: I play three shards because I get what I want on each one.
12:31 PM Blaise said: I also get a lot of what I don't, on each one.
12:31 PM Blaise said: I still openly and honestly state that this is the best shard around. I still explain why to people,.
12:31 PM Telamon said: Darkwing, Samorite, Peg and Myself have a vision for building a community, and after almost 4 years it has worked well
12:31 PM Blaise said: Even on other shards, where they tell me I'm trying to "turn it into UOR"
12:31 PM Blaise said: hahahaha
12:31 PM Telamon said: UOSA never hadmore than 100 people in the main channel because it is a cesspit of negativity
12:31 PM Telamon said: racism, shit picks, sexual talk, etc
12:31 PM Blaise said: I don't know that you can actually know the reason for that
12:31 PM Blaise said: but I'll accept your assumptions
12:32 PM Blaise said: as fairly accurate and likely
12:32 PM Telamon said: I don't care about censorship,  I simply want people on UOR, in the commmunity, to be here, for UOR
12:32 PM Telamon said: for the UOR community
12:32 PM Blaise said: which is fine, but being a Hitler about other games
12:32 PM Telamon said: Have enough respect to go talk about other games, other servers, in their community
12:32 PM Blaise said: isn't doing you any favors in the "Respect for your fellow gamers" depeartment
12:33 PM Blaise said: so why would they return it?
12:33 PM Telamon said: Because me and the volunteers spend retard grade time talking to every new player
12:33 PM Blaise said: if you come in prattling on about football then slap people for talking about Counterstrike
12:33 PM Blaise said: who's disrespectful
12:33 PM Telamon said: Football isnt even allowed (most of the time)
12:33 PM Blaise said: these are your community members and you treat them like children you're protecting from the world
12:33 PM Blaise said: yeah, until you're talking about it
12:33 PM Telamon said: Im making a clear assumption
12:33 PM Blaise said: I cite that specifically because you do it
12:33 PM Telamon said: They are new to UOR, and do not know about everything out there
12:33 PM Blaise said: and turtn around and get mad about talking about FOrza
12:34 PM Blaise said: or motorsports/motorcycles
12:34 PM Telamon said: and I want my best chance to turn them into a long term UOR player
12:34 PM Telamon said: when I started on UOSA eons ago
12:34 PM Telamon said: Ironically from people spamming vote links in IRC
12:34 PM Telamon said: If I had known in my first week
12:34 PM Telamon said: it took me a year to learn that there were other servers
12:34 PM Blaise said: making it super obvious
12:34 PM Telamon said: I would have left
12:34 PM Blaise said: When I started there, I found it on joinuo which was a huge list of shards
12:34 PM Telamon said: Assuming that every player, has a mental list of every server
12:34 PM Blaise said: that there was a huge list of shards
12:34 PM Telamon said: Yes, and thats not how everyone finds it
12:34 PM Blaise said: I wouldn't change starting there
12:35 PM Aris said: What's cool is he hasn't gone completely dickbag and let it go to his head either.
12:35 PM Aris said: Telamon to the new player is kinda looked at like 'the king'.  Just being in there and social does help, even if he's talking about football.  When YOU Blaise talked me into coming over and I had chatted with Telamon, my first thought was "well this is already better, I never spoke on UOSA irc to that Derrick fella"
12:36 PM Blaise said: I agree
12:36 PM Aris said: And dammit I wish I woulda placed a fortress back then.
12:36 PM Telamon said: There is a different way to deal with a new player,  community wise, than there is dealing with a 2 year vet, who just casually plays UO
12:36 PM Aris said: SOOOOOOOO much space.  WTF was I thinking.
12:37 PM Blaise said: Haha you nub
12:37 PM Aris said: i ran around with a large keep deed and must have placed it in 10 to 15 spots before i settled
12:37 PM Blaise said: Infantry's small was Fairly yesterday
12:37 PM Blaise said: 😛
12:37 PM Telamon said: Yea, he left over the Steely dan situation
12:37 PM Blaise said: I guess all I'm really saying is Field of Dreams
12:37 PM Telamon said: Hows that going on your other 2 servers Blaise?
12:37 PM Blaise said: that's all
12:37 PM Blaise said: You have no competition if you don't look at them like competition
12:37 PM Blaise said: Built it and they will come
12:37 PM Telamon said: Going well, for the "builders"
12:38 PM Telamon said: Community management is a huge aspect to shard development
12:38 PM Blaise said: I guess.
12:38 PM Telamon said: Its my job to protect it, as much as people hate me for it
12:38 PM Blaise said: I think it's excessive. Shard dev should stay in the shard and players will go where they find what htey want.
12:38 PM Blaise said: communications shouldn't have any part in that
12:39 PM Telamon said: So offering people 500k to "get started" on another server, has nothing to do with them switching
12:39 PM Telamon said: its all just "development"
12:39 PM Telamon said: and "commitment"
12:39 PM Blaise said: I think the builders on the "other" shards are less professional but the hands off approach to players talking about things is refreshing
12:39 PM Blaise said: People switch when they want something new
12:39 PM Blaise said: What help they get there has nothing to do with it.
12:40 PM Telamon said: Because a shard wouldn't exist if the staff didn't give a shit about player retention and keeping players involved
12:40 PM Blaise said: I don't play An Corp because of handouts, I play because it's fun and there's shit I want to do there.
12:40 PM Blaise said: I never sent a mailer
12:40 PM Blaise said: I don't help people on LL because they need handouts I help because they came along and asked
12:40 PM Blaise said: Really? UOSA exists and I don't see them giving many fucks about retention
12:40 PM Blaise said: so that's a bit of an exaggeration
12:40 PM Telamon said: Well have fun on your pay to play servers,  this is going no where
12:40 PM Blaise said: Keeping them involved is not the same as squelching them for playing other games.
12:41 PM Blaise said: I don't pay for any server but yours, thanks.
12:41 PM Telamon said: IOll never expect how im supposed to just throw away the community to make a few anti censorship advocates happy
12:41 PM Blaise said: no one said throw it away but calling it an attack to have a "Playing" status is paranoid dilusional
12:41 PM Telamon said: and talk about how big their dicks is
12:41 PM Telamon said: until all the females have left the channel
12:41 PM Telamon said: So everyone can share pictures of bowel movements, links to other servers
12:41 PM Blaise said: lol Russel
12:41 PM Blaise said: Biccus Dichus
12:41 PM Aris said: Cool.
12:42 PM Blaise said: no, not that I'm aware of
12:42 PM Aris said: Oh is Jento back?
12:42 PM Blaise said: hahah
12:42 PM Avery said: me flees the channel
12:42 PM Aris said: It's not my business to interfere here.  Blaise is a hard head and set in his ways.  Telamon is too.  Agree to disagree, you both got valid points and there's not a right answer on it.
12:42 PM Avery said: jk
12:43 PM Blaise said: I think some moderation is nice and healthy. I don't think trying to convince everyone that this is the only game is sane, in any way. It's actually embarrassing and sad to think that anyone thinks they can keep the wool over players' eyes like that.
12:43 PM Blaise said: Yeah, he already left
12:43 PM Blaise said: no worries, I'm not upset or losing sleep over it and it's been a three year conversation of the same topic with he and I
12:43 PM Blaise said: He gets frustrated babysitting and I try to urge him to stop
12:43 PM Blaise said: so he can focus on what he cares about