Dear Mr. Nefrach,

I am writing this to clarify what happened yesterday from my point of view.

<Mefrach> I might start learning some game engine like xenko... Im already working on a c++ game & im learning algorithms, so it would be a cool side thing

You stirred my curiosity with this post. I’ve never heard of Xenko prior to that.
Therefor I was eager to ask you why you opted for it.

<Zumza> Mefrach: why xenko? why not Unity?

HG appeared nervous for mentioning Unity in my post.

<HG> Unity is shit
<HG> it's overused
<HG> and it's old
<Zumza> you can't say something is bad just because its old

After this HG made a pause so I intended to resume the initial topic with you.

<Zumza> afaik xenko doesn't even work on *nix sistems while unity does

HG enters the conversation again:

<HG> old stuff is bad
<HG> so yes i can say that
<HG> nefrach wants a windows-only game because he is a windows-only programmer
<Zumza> gtk is 18 years old. you say its bad?
<HG> yes
<HG> because it messes with text and unicode character recognition
<Zumza> so youre using something you consider bad? didn't see that coming. ok…
<HG> something is bad doesn't mean you shouldn't use it

After this, I receive your first response:

<Mefrach> Well idk, zumza
<Mefrach> Is unity even free?

<Zumza> Mefrach: free enought for what you need for sure

<Mefrach> Oh no wait, unity is that drag n drop shit
<HG> because it's shit
<HG> ^
<Mefrach> Install tps plugin, drag n drop it, drag n drop a character, design a level = no code, no fun
<HG> ^
<Mefrach> Tps=third person shooter, just an example

As a friendly recommendation I suggested you to do a comparison between the market demand for Xenko and Unity

<Zumza> Mefrach: just search how many jobs there are for Unity C# programming and how many for Xenko

<Mefrach> I dont want a job
<Mefrach> Im doing it for fun
<Mefrach> :D
<Mefrach> And xenko seems more fun

After this I’ve understood that you don’t want to make anything professional, that you’re using Xenko for fun, and so the answer to my initial curiosity was met.

<Zumza> then thats good

After this I resumed back to HG's topic.

<Zumza> but it doesn't mean Unity is <shit>
<HG> no, it means unity is shit
<Mefrach> Never said unity is shit
<Mefrach> Never even looked into it=
<HG> if life became drag and drop i would drag myself to the hell
<Mefrach> All i know is that u can build a game from just drag n dropping plugins and 3d objects
<Mefrach> In unity ^
<Mefrach> Which aint fun
<HG> i manually wrote the design code for my gtk# bot
<HG> just used the designed for preview, not for designing
<Zumza> it would be if you would create your own plugins Mefrach

HG initialed another topic, the one of writing the GUI code manually vs to using a visual designer.

<Zumza> HG: so youre loosing time, k

After this you resumed again on Unity:

<Mefrach> Zumza: Reinventing wheel (writing a unity plugin that already exists)
<Zumza> Mefrach: you can apply the same principle on Xenko. Youre redoing the same work only on a different platform

Resuming back to HG GUI topic:

<HG> plus by writing the code i know exactly what i want to make
<Zumza> HG: then you can use the form designer and manually code your addon logic in the same time.

Apparently here is where a confession was made. What I meant by addon was literally "add on" not as in a plugin as you've assumed. I wanted to say that you can use both the visual design, and write your own custom code above what the designer already generated.

Resuming back to Unity:

<Zumza> HG: im just saying that you can't call shit something that you don't have a clue about thats all
<Mefrach> Zumza: Have u ever used unity?

HG wants to resume back the addon misinterpretation:

<HG> i don't need any add-on logic because i would be using the same shitty drag-and-dro designer
<HG> something which i won't use
<Zumza> i litterally mean add on. not as in a plugin
<Mefrach> Have u ever used unity. Zumza?
<HG> add-on would change less of the designer functionality
<Zumza> HG: let me reformulate
<HG> no need for reformulations
<Mefrach> Why are u avoiding my q???
<HG> i don't need designers
<HG> i'm a designer
<Mefrach> Zumzy?
<Mefrach> Why?
<Mefrach> I got an argument in my clipboard

I didn’t intend to avoid your question I was just trying to settle down HG GUI topic before resuming again on Unity. Tho I didn't got my chance to reformulate my post.

Resuming to Unity:

<Zumza> Mefrach: i've looked on it
<Mefrach> Then you cant say its not shit, cuz u never used
<Mefrach> Well
<HG> rekt
<Zumza> Mefrach: i can say its not shit, because the market already decided its not
<HG> what has the market have to do with your opinion regarding something you don't even use
<Mefrach> 2/26 22:26:18 Zumza> HG: im just saying that you can't call shit something that you don't have a clue about thats all
<Zumza> i got a lot of games on my phone/pc which use unity as game engine
<Mefrach> Hg decided that its shit
<Zumza> is HG owning a billion dollar company which Im not aware of?
<Mefrach> Then its shit for him... Its also shit for me
<Mefrach> The market =/= individuals
<HG> ^

At this point I was overwhelmed, I didn’t even knew what we were talking anymore.

<Zumza> you twist my words and sentances too much. if you would really care to what i wanted to say you would let me talk until i end my sentance. I see no reason in prologing this conversation as you're too stubborn

<Mefrach> ^ when u have no argument
<Mefrach> Jegg
<Mefrach> Ma nam chegg
<HG> kek
<Zumza> my argument is that a lot of companies use Unity, there hundreads of Unity jobs and therefor you can't call it shit. If you have a personal opinion on a product you just express it as  "i don't like it"
<Mefrach> Its shit
<Mefrach> I just called it shit

<Zumza> just go troll somewhere else please