Vulplore Chatlog 001

20:06
<Neri>: Well, odds are is we will be the only two till other vulpplayers get on and I poke them.
20:09
<Neri>: Yuki's player will prolly wanna talk. Ruru and Clay's players also.
20:09
<Neri>: And a few others.
20:09
<Val>: That would be good
20:09
<Neri>: Yah
20:09
<Neri>: Can just do OOC pda's ingame if we see them.
20:09
<Val>: I need to pull up a bunch of ideas I've had for lore in the past
20:09
<Neri>: I have quite a few ideas also.
20:09
<Val>: I wish I wrote them down now
20:10
<Neri>: The first main topic is species origin.
20:10
<Neri>: I have a lot of ideas for the psychology of the race once we actually get to it.
20:10
<Neri>: Mostly based on how people rp them.
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<Erin>: Hello
20:13
<Erin>: anyway so vulp are fox wolf mix right?
20:14
<Val>: I got ideas for the type of planet for them
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20:15
<Neri>: Vulp are canines in general technically. Most play them as foxes.
20:15
<KasparoVv>: Lmao, me and ddd joined some channel called vulpore by accident. Oops.
20:15
<Neri>: I know Beau plays his as a dog
20:15
<Neri>: Heh~
20:15
<KasparoVv>: From what I know the whole vulpkanin thing spans canids and vulpines
20:15
<Neri>: Basically
20:15
<KasparoVv>: Some guy played a raccoon but I don't think that was lore-legit
20:15
<Neri>: I have thoughts on how the psychology works when we get around to it.
20:15
<Erin>: Mmm well my idea was they could be like dogs who were bred over the course of 200-300 years and became sentient and uprose
20:16
<Erin>: 10/10?
20:16
<Neri>: Nah
20:16
<Neri>: Can't link to human.
20:16
<Erin>: ah alright
20:16
<KasparoVv>: The vulps are digitigrade like the tajarans, right? Or are they plantigrade like humans and unathi?
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<Neri>: Welcome~
20:17
<Ddd>: Ah
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<Ddd>: the L
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<KasparoVv>: Yeah it wasn't that vulpore channel
20:17
<Neri>: Yep~
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<KasparoVv>: Haha
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<Ddd>: oke doke
20:17
<Neri>: He prolly timed out
20:17
<Neri>: He'll be back in a moment
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<KasparoVv>: RIP browser
20:17
<Erin>: So ideas for planet? I mean they breathe oxygen right? so it has to be an earth like planet at the least
20:18
<Ddd>: so vuplakins old lore was sparklesnowflake eutopia bestest evers technologies
20:18
<Neri>: They breath oxygen.
20:18
<Neri>: I don't think they have a set physiology yet.
20:18
<Val>: I was thinking a tundra like planet
20:18
<KasparoVv>: It's most likely a planet with gravity super-similar to Earth's
20:18
<Erin>: oh yeah.. because of the fur
20:18
<Neri>: Taja are already tundra
20:18
<Val>: Would make sense
20:18
<KasparoVv>: Depending on their height and such though
20:18
<Ddd>: taja is jungle I thought
20:18
<Neri>: No.
20:18
<KasparoVv>: It'd be managable to have a planet with a wide range of climates
20:19
<Neri>: I just went over the racial lore earlier today to make sure we didn't copy taa.
20:19
<Neri>: taja*
20:19
<KasparoVv>: Because not all canines or vulpines are winterbeasts
20:19
<Neri>: Yah.
20:19
<Erin>: what kind of culture do they have? they are hunters right?
20:19
<KasparoVv>: Probably
20:19
<Neri>: I'm thinking a savahnaish planet.
20:19
<KasparoVv>: I imagine their society'd revolve around small, tight-knit well-defined packs
20:19
<Neri>: Yah
20:20
<Neri>: On the psychological bit, I have ideas there
20:20
<Ddd>: I thought it could have been interesting if they weren't a species that naturally evolved, but a science experiment gone awol
20:20
<Erin>: I have some aswell considering they are canines
20:20
<KasparoVv>: Lmao, that'd be funny.
20:20
<Erin>: well that is what I said and it was shot down
20:20
<Neri>: Personally I would rather not have it linked to humans
20:20
<Ddd>: doesn't have to be humans
20:20
<KasparoVv>: The whole pack-thing I got from the fact that the species encompasses canid physicology and something I read on the baystation12 resomi lorebible
20:21
<Ddd>: could have been a species thats been in space longer than humans
20:21
<Neri>: We already have a species that is basically an AWOL science experiment anyways.
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20:21
<Ddd>: Grey, Vox
20:21
<KasparoVv>: Slimes?
20:21
<KasparoVv>: The experiment thing, I mean.
20:21
<Ddd>: slimes arent
20:21
<Neri>: Nucleation and Shadowpeople are functionally AWOL science experiments. No need for more.
20:21
<Ddd>: slimes have their own planet
20:21
<KasparoVv>: Oh lol.
20:21
<KasparoVv>: I've never played them. Also, welcome @FoS!
20:21
<Neri>: Welcome FoS~
20:22
<Ddd>: hay fos draw us cute voxes moar
20:22
<Erin>: Speaking of vox I need to speak with somebody later about their lore because i'm a little confused but still want to be vox
20:22
<Ddd>: yaya is good shoal is good
20:22
<KasparoVv>: What was the question?
20:22
<Ddd>: all you need to know
20:23
<Erin>: what about vox?
20:23
<Neri>: On the topic of psychology, since they are likely pack based, seeing how people play vulps. I'm thinking they should have a mental "switch" for what role they take in interactions.
20:23
<Ddd>: steal is not word, claim is word
20:23
<KasparoVv>: What is this switch you're talking of?
20:23
<KasparoVv>: Are you talking about the whole pack ranking structure thing?
20:23
<Erin>: Like going lone wolf mode?
20:23
<Ddd>: this doesnt sound like a thing that can be mechanically portrayed
20:23
<KasparoVv>: Like alpha-beta-gamma w/e
20:23
<Neri>: Doesn't need mechanics.
20:23
<Erin>: Ah
20:23
<Neri>: It's something people who play vulps tend to do anyways.
20:24
<KasparoVv>: Mind describing this behaviour a bit?
20:24
<Neri>: If they see a spot that needs a leader. They take control and start asserting. If unneeded, they submit to the authority figure present.
20:24
<KasparoVv>: Oh, yeah-- so it is like the pack ranking thing
20:24
<Neri>: Basically.
20:25
<Ddd>: I've only ever paid attention to Colin black, Yuki frost, fox, and valthorne, and they just act like humans
20:25
<Erin>: Could be similar to the vox hat thing but just with basic standing and no in game showing of it
20:25
<KasparoVv>: Lmao. The fancy leader hat..
20:25
<Ddd>: best hat
20:25
<KasparoVv>: Haven't seen a raider round in ages, come to think of it.
20:25
<Neri>: Neri for example tends to prefer the following role, but has a tendency to get into situations that need an a leader, nobody being up to it, she just starts ordering the people around.
20:26
<KasparoVv>: I figure it'd be a good bet to make the lore and species pack-centric
20:26
<Neri>: This has happened at least four times in medbay while she was the mechanic.
20:26
<Neri>: Sees medbay going to shit. Starts ordering the medics around/doing unlicensed surgery
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20:26
<KasparoVv>: Referencing that, while on station, vulpkanin detached from their home pack tend to form one of their own aboard
20:26
<Neri>: Yah
20:26
<Erin>: So lets also bring up things vulps like and dislike later too
20:26
<Neri>: Which has been shown with that Vulp Embassy in the old bar we did.
20:27
<Val>: I tend to play Val as one who takes others around, if they ask to follow I will let the most of the time
20:27
<Neri>: Omnivorous but preferring meats.
20:27
<KasparoVv>: And how they're for the most part they're predisposed to becoming distressed when being caught without a pack for a long period of time or something
20:27
<Val>: Also I remember the embassy,  that was amazing
20:27
<Neri>: The Embassy was awesome.
20:27
<Neri>: Val got ahold of a traitor's pda.
20:27
<Neri>: Got all the vulps encryption keys.
20:27
<KasparoVv>: I'm getting some of these ideas from the Bay12 Resomi species, a whole load of parallels can be drawn b/w that and Vulps--
20:27
<Erin>: I would say they REALLY prefer meats and cant have things like wheat
20:27
<KasparoVv>: Lmfao gg
20:28
<KasparoVv>: Whatever a real canine diet is'd be a good bet
20:28
<Neri>: So we were all talking on the taitor channel in the vulp language.
20:28
<Neri>: And ended up turning the Old Bar into an embassy.
20:28
<Neri>: Yuki brought a pet human~
20:29
<Neri>: But yah, Vulps having a preference for being with groups makes sense.
20:29
<Neri>: Also similar to how most vulp players have been rping.
20:29
<Erin>: There should be downsides to that aswell. like if the leader gets distressed they all feel the same except for the few who want to one up them and take their spot as leader
20:29
<Neri>: Not much oneupping with a mental switch.
20:30
<Neri>: If the leader isn't fit. Another takes over. Leader just moves into the follower position until suited again.
20:30
<KasparoVv>: Yeah.
20:30
<Erin>: Could say that weakness is a taboo trait
20:30
<Neri>: Sorta like a thing that the japanese do irl.
20:30
<Erin>: since they are hunters
20:30
<Neri>: If someone can't handle being an adult. It's socially acceptable to just let go and be a kid for a few hours.
20:30
<KasparoVv>: While we're on this topic, I figure it'd be a good idea to divvie the lore page up into history, behaviour, and pack study
20:30
<Neri>: Yah.
20:31
<Neri>: Methinks that normal physiology for fur should be muted reds, browns, greys, and blacks, sometimes with whites. The neons should be purely a dye choice.
20:31
<KasparoVv>: ^^^^^
20:31
<KasparoVv>: Absolutely
20:32
<Erin>: oh my god yes
20:32
<Erin>: maybe have some spotted fur in there too
20:32
<Erin>: i can sprite that
20:32
<Val>: Yes, that would be amazing
20:32
<Neri>: Sure~
20:32
<Neri>: Spots would be nice to have for variation.
20:32
<KasparoVv>: The fur colour/patterns should probably pertain to what the character most looks like
20:32
<Erin>: should i also do a shaved version?
20:32
<KasparoVv>: Say if someone's trying to make a grey fox vulpkanin, etc. etc.
20:32
<Neri>: Plsno. We dun need the barber shaving vulps.
20:32
<Neri>: Hairless foxes look demonic irl.
20:33
<Erin>: whats to stop a vulp shaving themselves?
20:33
<KasparoVv>: I think if you're going to make fur patterns that you should look at TG's lizardman system
20:33
<KasparoVv>: They've implemented something like it
20:33
<Erin>: Alright
20:33
<Erin>: what do they do like the goon hair layers thing? where you pick multiple and they layer over eachother
20:33
<KasparoVv>: Also fur patterns shouldn't be limited to just spots-- but could also potentially include common fur patterns for dogs, wolves, etc
20:33
<Erin>: yeah I was already assuming that
20:33
<Neri>: Stripes, maybe tipped tails.
20:33
<KasparoVv>: No, they have a selection dialogue where you pick a fur pattern
20:33
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, TG's got that going too
20:34
<Erin>: I also want to do the same for humans and fox
20:34
<KasparoVv>: Just play about with their character creator at some point and you'll get a feel for it
20:34
<Erin>: humans being you know.. freckles and scars
20:34
<Erin>: and alright
20:34
<Neri>: Look up a Tricolor Caviler King Charles Spaniel for a nice coloration pattern.
20:34
<KasparoVv>: I sortof wish we could implement TG's system for our unathi, but it's pretty incompatible with what we've got. Porting it'd be a drag
20:35
<KasparoVv>: If we could make it proper modular it'd be no problem at all to work it for vulp/humans
20:35
<KasparoVv>: Possibly even tajarans or whatever
20:35
<Erin>: because if you make a modular system I'll sprite maybe like 20 variations for random body parts each species
20:35
<Neri>: How indepth should nanotress have researched the vulp pack system?
20:36
<Erin>: Well theres something
20:36
<KasparoVv>: Ah, there's another thing
20:36
<Erin>: when did vulps get discovered?
20:36
<Erin>: was it during a tribal period?
20:36
<FoS>: I didn't want to have any color/marking restrictions when i created 'em. Just saying.
20:36
<Erin>: or when they were advanced on their own
20:36
<KasparoVv>: And how much NT is involved in strip-mining their planets haha
20:36
<Neri>: Yah.
20:36
<KasparoVv>: Because with tajaran, that's the only reason why NT knows so much about them
20:36
<Neri>: I'm fairly sure most vulps have at least Skeptical set for nanotress.
20:36
<KasparoVv>: Because they're on their home planet yanking all their ores
20:36
<Val>: I sure know I am
20:37
<Erin>: My character is skeptical as a human just because she was found sacrificing crabs to narsie
20:37
<Erin>: xD
20:37
<KasparoVv>: I think there'd be limited knowledge of Vulpkanins from NT aside from speculation and assumptions
20:37
<KasparoVv>: Could reference the Vox page for that
20:37
<Neri>: Maybe nanotress encountered Vulps before they exited their starsystem but after they left their planet?
20:37
<KasparoVv>: There's a section detailing what Vox know about Vox and what NT/other species know about Vox
20:37
<KasparoVv>: Yeah
20:37
<Erin>: thats what i want to see
20:38
<Erin>: like they picked up vulps at our stage now on earth or at like
20:38
<Neri>: So Vulps having spread to other planets in their system before a nanotress probe showed up?
20:38
<Erin>: the 50s or so
20:38
<Erin>: and yanked them into interstellar communities
20:38
<KasparoVv>: Is that a yes/no question?
20:38
<Val>: So NT found Vulps just before they gained interstellar travel but still had space travel?
20:38
<Erin>: Could be yeah
20:38
<Neri>: They prolly picked up the vulps after we get to europa if you want an analogue
20:38
<Neri>: Yah.
20:38
<Erin>: sounds fine.. maybe 2-3 planets colonised
20:38
<KasparoVv>: And a deal b/w vulpkanins granted them the last bump in tech to accomplish interstellar?
20:38
<KasparoVv>: What were the planets like, though?
20:38
<KasparoVv>: Were they class-M earth-like with atmospheres and ecologies?
20:39
<Neri>: One being a temperate slightly on the hotside.
20:39
<KasparoVv>: Or did they need terraforming
20:39
<Erin>: probably a main planet in the goldylocks zone with 2 habitable moons? or 1 habitable moon and a dead planet similar to mars
20:39
<Neri>: One being more dusty and dry but still livable.
20:39
<Val>: Got IRL things to do, be back
20:39
<Neri>: Maybe one moon being the dustydry.
20:39
<Erin>: k
20:39
<Neri>: I'll save the logs for you Val.
20:39
<KasparoVv>: And the other being an iceball?
20:39
<Erin>: and the mars like planet being
20:39
<Erin>: yeah
20:39
<Erin>: an iceball
20:39
<Neri>: The marsstyle being an iceball.
20:40
<Neri>: Maybe sorta like irl europa
20:40
<Neri>: Ice surface. Water beneath
20:40
<Erin>: btw neri
20:40
<Erin>: people are talking to you in game
20:40
<KasparoVv>: Where all the heavy-furred arctic whatever vulps go. Kek.
20:40
<KasparoVv>: In OOC or IC? haha. If neri's a department head, that's bad juju
20:41
<Erin>: ic but yeah. didn't know if they were paying attention
20:41
<Erin>: they arent a head
20:41
<Neri>: I am the mechanic
20:42
<Neri>: Aka an Assistant/Engineer that makes spacepods.
20:42
<Neri>: Nonessential karmajob.
20:42
<Erin>: So lets say vulp with winter coats are more fish loving? since its an iceball with an under surface ocean
20:42
<Neri>: Sure
20:42
<Neri>: Makes sense.
20:42
<Erin>: while the ones from the main planet love meat
20:42
<KasparoVv>: I think for that it'd be good to look at the way arctic wolves/fox behave and their diet
20:42
<Neri>: Yah
20:42
<KasparoVv>: Because it'd be so similar
20:42
<Neri>: Someone wanna do some research on arctic wolves/foxes?
20:43
<Erin>: arctic foxes dive into snow to eat sleeping mice
20:43
<KasparoVv>: For wolves; common prey targets are caribou, arctic hares, lemmings and musk ox. They're not afraid to go after creatures that are markedly bigger than them, notably caribou. Other components of their diet are birds, such as ptarmigans, and seals.
20:43
<Erin>: so thats not really a go on an all ice planet thats mostly water
20:43
<KasparoVv>: Wikipedia copypasta haha

20:42
<Neri>: Yah
20:42
<KasparoVv>: Because it'd be so similar
20:42
<Neri>: Someone wanna do some research on arctic wolves/foxes?
20:43
<Erin>: arctic foxes dive into snow to eat sleeping mice
20:43
<KasparoVv>: For wolves; common prey targets are caribou, arctic hares, lemmings and musk ox. They're not afraid to go after creatures that are markedly bigger than them, notably caribou. Other components of their diet are birds, such as ptarmigans, and seals.
20:43
<Erin>: so thats not really a go on an all ice planet thats mostly water
20:43
<KasparoVv>: Wikipedia copypasta haha
20:43
<Erin>: oh my god how many rounds is this guy not going to listen to people
20:44
<Neri>: Heh
20:44
<Neri>: Am saving the logs by the way
20:44
<Erin>: oh good
20:44
<Erin>: what was his name again?
20:44
<Erin>: moonman?
20:44
<Erin>: ooc i mean
20:44
<Neri>: I mean this chat's logs
20:44
<KasparoVv>: For the fox-like ones
20:44
<KasparoVv>: http://elainebp3.weebly.com/diet--behavior.html
20:44
<Erin>: ohh
20:44
<KasparoVv>: say First paragraph's got all you really need to know
20:44
<Erin>: Kas
20:45
<Neri>: Heh~ You did the reflex ss13 say~
20:45
<Erin>: you and me have the same problem
20:45
<Neri>: I do it also~
20:45
<Erin>: i use say in everything other than ss13 SO MUCH

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20:30
<Erin>: since they are hunters
20:30
<Neri>: If someone can't handle being an adult. It's socially acceptable to just let go and be a kid for a few hours.
20:30
<KasparoVv>: While we're on this topic, I figure it'd be a good idea to divvie the lore page up into history, behaviour, and pack study
20:30
<Neri>: Yah.
20:31
<Neri>: Methinks that normal physiology for fur should be muted reds, browns, greys, and blacks, sometimes with whites. The neons should be purely a dye choice.
20:31
<KasparoVv>: ^^^^^
20:31
<KasparoVv>: Absolutely
20:32
<Erin>: oh my god yes
20:32
<Erin>: maybe have some spotted fur in there too
20:32
<Erin>: i can sprite that
20:32
<Val>: Yes, that would be amazing
20:32
<Neri>: Sure~
20:32
<Neri>: Spots would be nice to have for variation.
20:32
<KasparoVv>: The fur colour/patterns should probably pertain to what the character most looks like
20:32
<Erin>: should i also do a shaved version?
20:32
<KasparoVv>: Say if someone's trying to make a grey fox vulpkanin, etc. etc.
20:32
<Neri>: Plsno. We dun need the barber shaving vulps.
20:32
<Neri>: Hairless foxes look demonic irl.
20:33
<Erin>: whats to stop a vulp shaving themselves?
20:33
<KasparoVv>: I think if you're going to make fur patterns that you should look at TG's lizardman system
20:33
<KasparoVv>: They've implemented something like it
20:33
<Erin>: Alright
20:33
<Erin>: what do they do like the goon hair layers thing? where you pick multiple and they layer over eachother
20:33
<KasparoVv>: Also fur patterns shouldn't be limited to just spots-- but could also potentially include common fur patterns for dogs, wolves, etc
20:33
<Erin>: yeah I was already assuming that
20:33
<Neri>: Stripes, maybe tipped tails.
20:33
<KasparoVv>: No, they have a selection dialogue where you pick a fur pattern
20:33
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, TG's got that going too
20:34
<Erin>: I also want to do the same for humans and fox
20:34
<KasparoVv>: Just play about with their character creator at some point and you'll get a feel for it
20:34
<Erin>: humans being you know.. freckles and scars
20:34
<Erin>: and alright
20:34
<Neri>: Look up a Tricolor Caviler King Charles Spaniel for a nice coloration pattern.
20:34
<KasparoVv>: I sortof wish we could implement TG's system for our unathi, but it's pretty incompatible with what we've got. Porting it'd be a drag
20:35
<KasparoVv>: If we could make it proper modular it'd be no problem at all to work it for vulp/humans
20:35
<KasparoVv>: Possibly even tajarans or whatever
20:35
<Erin>: because if you make a modular system I'll sprite maybe like 20 variations for random body parts each species
20:35
<Neri>: How indepth should nanotress have researched the vulp pack system?
20:36
<Erin>: Well theres something
20:36
<KasparoVv>: Ah, there's another thing
20:36
<Erin>: when did vulps get discovered?
20:36
<Erin>: was it during a tribal period?
20:36
<FoS>: I didn't want to have any color/marking restrictions when i created 'em. Just saying.
20:36
<Erin>: or when they were advanced on their own
20:36
<KasparoVv>: And how much NT is involved in strip-mining their planets haha
20:36
<Neri>: Yah.
20:36
<KasparoVv>: Because with tajaran, that's the only reason why NT knows so much about them
20:36
<Neri>: I'm fairly sure most vulps have at least Skeptical set for nanotress.
20:36
<KasparoVv>: Because they're on their home planet yanking all their ores
20:36
<Val>: I sure know I am
20:37
<Erin>: My character is skeptical as a human just because she was found sacrificing crabs to narsie
20:37
<Erin>: xD
20:37
<KasparoVv>: I think there'd be limited knowledge of Vulpkanins from NT aside from speculation and assumptions
20:37
<KasparoVv>: Could reference the Vox page for that
20:37
<Neri>: Maybe nanotress encountered Vulps before they exited their starsystem but after they left their planet?
20:37
<KasparoVv>: There's a section detailing what Vox know about Vox and what NT/other species know about Vox
20:37
<KasparoVv>: Yeah
20:37
<Erin>: thats what i want to see
20:38
<Erin>: like they picked up vulps at our stage now on earth or at like
20:38
<Neri>: So Vulps having spread to other planets in their system before a nanotress probe showed up?
20:38
<Erin>: the 50s or so
20:38
<Erin>: and yanked them into interstellar communities
20:38
<KasparoVv>: Is that a yes/no question?
20:38
<Val>: So NT found Vulps just before they gained interstellar travel but still had space travel?
20:38
<Erin>: Could be yeah
20:38
<Neri>: They prolly picked up the vulps after we get to europa if you want an analogue
20:38
<Neri>: Yah.
20:38
<Erin>: sounds fine.. maybe 2-3 planets colonised
20:38
<KasparoVv>: And a deal b/w vulpkanins granted them the last bump in tech to accomplish interstellar?
20:38
<KasparoVv>: What were the planets like, though?
20:38
<KasparoVv>: Were they class-M earth-like with atmospheres and ecologies?
20:39
<Neri>: One being a temperate slightly on the hotside.
20:39
<KasparoVv>: Or did they need terraforming
20:39
<Erin>: probably a main planet in the goldylocks zone with 2 habitable moons? or 1 habitable moon and a dead planet similar to mars
20:39
<Neri>: One being more dusty and dry but still livable.
20:39
<Val>: Got IRL things to do, be back
20:39
<Neri>: Maybe one moon being the dustydry.
20:39
<Erin>: k
20:39
<Neri>: I'll save the logs for you Val.
20:39
<KasparoVv>: And the other being an iceball?
20:39
<Erin>: and the mars like planet being
20:39
<Erin>: yeah
20:39
<Erin>: an iceball
20:39
<Neri>: The marsstyle being an iceball.
20:40
<Neri>: Maybe sorta like irl europa
20:40
<Neri>: Ice surface. Water beneath
20:40
<Erin>: btw neri
20:40
<Erin>: people are talking to you in game
20:40
<KasparoVv>: Where all the heavy-furred arctic whatever vulps go. Kek.
20:40
<KasparoVv>: In OOC or IC? haha. If neri's a department head, that's bad juju
20:41
<Erin>: ic but yeah. didn't know if they were paying attention
20:41
<Erin>: they arent a head
20:41
<Neri>: I am the mechanic
20:42
<Neri>: Aka an Assistant/Engineer that makes spacepods.
20:42
<Neri>: Nonessential karmajob.
20:42
<Erin>: So lets say vulp with winter coats are more fish loving? since its an iceball with an under surface ocean
20:42
<Neri>: Sure
20:42
<Neri>: Makes sense.
20:42
<Erin>: while the ones from the main planet love meat
20:42
<KasparoVv>: I think for that it'd be good to look at the way arctic wolves/fox behave and their diet
20:42
<Neri>: Yah
20:42
<KasparoVv>: Because it'd be so similar
20:42
<Neri>: Someone wanna do some research on arctic wolves/foxes?
20:43
<Erin>: arctic foxes dive into snow to eat sleeping mice
20:43
<KasparoVv>: For wolves; common prey targets are caribou, arctic hares, lemmings and musk ox. They're not afraid to go after creatures that are markedly bigger than them, notably caribou. Other components of their diet are birds, such as ptarmigans, and seals.
20:43
<Erin>: so thats not really a go on an all ice planet thats mostly water
20:43
<KasparoVv>: Wikipedia copypasta haha
20:43
<Erin>: oh my god how many rounds is this guy not going to listen to people
20:44
<Neri>: Heh
20:44
<Neri>: Am saving the logs by the way
20:44
<Erin>: oh good
20:44
<Erin>: what was his name again?
20:44
<Erin>: moonman?
20:44
<Erin>: ooc i mean
20:44
<Neri>: I mean this chat's logs
20:44
<KasparoVv>: For the fox-like ones
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<KasparoVv>: http://elainebp3.weebly.com/diet--behavior.html
20:44
<Erin>: ohh
20:44
<KasparoVv>: say First paragraph's got all you really need to know
20:44
<Erin>: Kas
20:45
<Neri>: Heh~ You did the reflex ss13 say~
20:45
<Erin>: you and me have the same problem
20:45
<Neri>: I do it also~
20:45
<Erin>: i use say in everything other than ss13 SO MUCH
20:45
<KasparoVv>: Yeah it's a hard habit to break lmao
20:45
<Neri>: I do it also~
20:45
<KasparoVv>: And the guy who needs the logs is Val
20:45
<Neri>: Quite often
20:45
<Neri>: I am saving the logs for Val
20:45
<Erin>: but yeah lets see.. so we have 2 planets and a moon, earth like, frozen ocean and dustball
20:46
<Erin>: each one has a fairly different diet
20:46
<Erin>: all cultures are fairly similar apart from climate and food related culture
20:46
<KasparoVv>: Yeah
20:46
<Erin>:  non interstellar species before NT contact
20:46
<Erin>: pack based hierarchy
20:46
<Erin>: that it so far?
20:46
<KasparoVv>: But the climate and food-related bit draws parallels to earth-dwelling species like arctic foxes and wolves in similar biomes
20:47
<Neri>: Maybe they went spaceage, then shit fell apart due to lack of communication for a bit, resulting in deteching for a few hundred years, allowing the divergent evolutions on the moons/planets before getting back into space?
20:47
<KasparoVv>: Yeah
20:47
<KasparoVv>: And the isolationist nature of the packs lol
20:47
<Neri>: Yah.
20:47
<Erin>: If you add the modular system
20:47
<Erin>: i could do different patterns and you could set different natural colours for each one
20:47
<Neri>: Although packs technically wouldn't be too isolationist. Just cautious of new groups.
20:47
<Erin>: say the frozen planet being all whites blacks and natural greyish blues
20:47
<KasparoVv>: I think something that'd be good to record is the feeling of distress that normally comes along with a vulpkanin being detached for a pack for a long period of time
20:48
<KasparoVv>: + greys and light browns
20:48
<Erin>: mmm
20:48
<Erin>: while the earthlike and dustball are more commonly browns and reds
20:48
<Neri>: Yah.
20:48
<KasparoVv>: Yeah yeah, bronzish/sandy colours
20:48
<Neri>: Would make sense.
20:48
<Erin>: maybe even dirty green colours depending on how customizable you want it
20:48
<KasparoVv>: whatever the natural colours for foxes/wolves living in warmer climates, kek
20:48
<Erin>: like moss
20:49
<KasparoVv>: But we've neglected to mention the dog-like ones.
20:49
<KasparoVv>: Dog colours and fur-patterns tend to be whatever regardless of the climate
20:49
<Neri>: The dog ones could easily be a subspecies.
20:49
<Erin>: well that is because humans bred dogs weirdly to make them all weird
20:49
<Erin>: wolves are dogs before human breeding
20:49
<Erin>: i mean there are wild dogs but you get the point
20:50
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, I think it's in the current wiki (and Elysian's thing) that Vulpkanin is just the overcoat name for all the wolf-like, fox-like, dog-like beings
20:50
<Erin>: so dont take dog breeds as a good idea of natural evolution
20:50
<Neri>: Maybe the result of a fairly widespread cult during the rennesaunce era?
20:50
<KasparoVv>: Yeah.
20:50
<KasparoVv>: Oh, that reminds me
20:50
<Neri>: Selective breeding for specific colorations?
20:50
<KasparoVv>: What about african wild dogs and such?
20:50
<KasparoVv>: That'd be an interesting fur pattern.
20:50
<Neri>: Sorta like a less violent Aryan thing?
20:50
<KasparoVv>: Lmao yeah
20:50
<KasparoVv>: That resulted in the dog furpattersn
20:50
<KasparoVv>: That'd be interesting to read
20:51
<Erin>: why not have it more violent?
20:51
<KasparoVv>: That's a good question
20:51
<Erin>: could have been a war going on for hundreds of years causing the different speciesish thing
20:51
<Erin>: dogs, wolves and fox
20:51
<KasparoVv>: I thought the whole war crazed thing was for the Unathi
20:51
<Erin>: all being from each planet constantly purging eachother
20:51
<KasparoVv>: The lore for the Wryn that was written is super similar to what you just said
20:52
<KasparoVv>: Different 'hives', all TOTALLY against eachother, constant crazy fighting to kill eachother off
20:52
<Erin>: Ah
20:52
<KasparoVv>: I mean it'd be interesting and possibly RP provoking
20:52
<Neri>: So lets have it be a more nonviolent thing.
20:52
<Erin>: of course there would be outlying communites
20:52
<KasparoVv>: Yeah
20:52
<Erin>: and NT probably really died it down with their presence
20:52
<KasparoVv>: Lonely island!11
20:52
<Neri>: A fairly widespread pseudocult, possibly religious.
20:52
<Neri>: Resulting in some dogstyle furpatterns.
20:53
<Erin>: could even make NT like an authoritarian state stopping them from killing eachother
20:53
<Neri>: Why does it need to be violent?
20:53
<Erin>: it doesnt this is just ideas
20:53
<Neri>: The Wyrn already have violent hives.
20:53
<Erin>: but they are all based on dogs foxes and wolves which lets face it
20:53
<Erin>: are violent hunting creatures
20:53
<KasparoVv>: I figure we should avoid it being too similar to Wryn and Unathi culture
20:53
<KasparoVv>: They're violent but as a means to an end; food and survival
20:53
<Neri>: Lets have it be nonviolent but definitely morally ambiguous.
20:53
<Erin>: I havent read either of them so
20:54
<KasparoVv>: Well said Neri lol
20:54
<Erin>: Could change it from being war to being like
20:54
<Erin>: racial marriage shunning
20:54
<Neri>: Like a human would find it squicky and boundary violating but a Vulp would find it perfectly normal.
20:54
<Erin>: so foxes are supposed to marry foxes and not care about wolves and the like
20:54
<Neri>: Yah.
20:54
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, the races are divergent from eachother but not totes at arms
20:54
<KasparoVv>: Sounds good
20:54
<Neri>: Somwhat racist but not violent.
20:54
<Neri>: somewhat*
20:55
<KasparoVv>: I think it'd then make sense to have different 'dialects' of canilunzt
20:55
<Neri>: Yah.
20:55
<KasparoVv>: For the fox-like, the dog-like
20:55
<Neri>: Or in general just different speaking patterns.
20:55
<KasparoVv>: And then sub-dialects depending on locale-
20:55
<Neri>: Neri tends to speak in clipped sentences.
20:55
<Neri>: No extra words.
20:55
<Erin>: could make it so they all get a common language and then everyone can pick from a few more languages like clownish but new for vulp
20:55
<KasparoVv>: Yeah. Again, the language all depends on the culture of the area/pack and a bunch of other stuff
20:55
<Neri>: Yah.
20:55
<KasparoVv>: I don't think the whole sub-language thing'd make sense-- UNLESS
20:56
<KasparoVv>: UNLESS Vulpkanin as a 'species' came to be as a result of crossbreeding between the separate species
20:56
<Neri>: Could do that.
20:56
<KasparoVv>: Something that wasn't able to happen biologically for a long long time
20:56
<Erin>: well i mean they are 3 subspecies on 3 planets in the same system that shunned eachother
20:56
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, but you know
20:56
<KasparoVv>: Maybe there's a Romefox and Julidog or something.
20:56
<Erin>: why is it hard to think they all had different languages or atleast dialects?
20:56
<Erin>: mmm
20:57
<Neri>: They would only have been separated for about 500 or so years.
20:57
<Erin>: could just make it dialects so different ones from different planets are just supposed to talk slightly differently
20:57
<Neri>: So not long enough for the language to completely change.
20:57
<KasparoVv>: Yeah.
20:57
<Erin>: mmm
20:57
<Neri>: But definitely long enough for some speaking patterns to change.
20:57
<KasparoVv>: The reason why I mentioned what I did is
20:57
<KasparoVv>: It'd be a real bitch to have like 999 diff languages and dialects
20:57
<Neri>: Again with Neri's clipped and direct speaking.
20:57
<KasparoVv>: Where gameplay-wise all species on the Cyberiad have one language to themselves
20:58
<Erin>: what should they all speak like then? could make it so their primary food source is kind of like an influence
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<Neri>: Environment prolly influences
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<KasparoVv>: I think at that point it'd make sense for people to put fox-like, dog-like, wolf-like and their dialect in their flavour texts
20:58
<Erin>: like people from the winter planet might insult you by saying you smell like rotton fish or look shallow like ice
20:58
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, environment, what earth species they most closely resemble
20:58
<KasparoVv>: Oop! I have an idea.
20:58
<Erin>: mmm
20:58
<KasparoVv>: You know how foxes gecker and such, right?
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<KasparoVv>: I think at that point it'd make sense for people to put fox-like, dog-like, wolf-like and their dialect in their flavour texts
20:58
<Erin>: like people from the winter planet might insult you by saying you smell like rotton fish or look shallow like ice
20:58
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, environment, what earth species they most closely resemble
20:58
<KasparoVv>: Oop! I have an idea.
20:58
<Erin>: mmm
20:58
<KasparoVv>: You know how foxes gecker and such, right?
20:59
<KasparoVv>: I figure while speaking canilunzt, it can run a check to see a vulpkanin's dialect preference
20:59
<KasparoVv>: Where dialect preference can be set to either 'canid' or 'vulpine'
20:59
<Neri>: I'm thinking environment resulted in the clipped speaking for the dusty moon people.
20:59
<Neri>: No wasting water.
20:59
<Neri>: Less words the better.
20:59
<KasparoVv>: Which would mean, when speaking canilunzt, it adds a few speaking verbs unique to the canids
20:59
<KasparoVv>: and a verb or two for the vulpine like geckers or whatever Renard says
20:59
<Neri>: Be neat.
21:00
<KasparoVv>: Wouldn't be too nasty to code
21:00
<Neri>: Prolly too hard to code yah.
21:00
<Neri>: Can just put in the lorepage for speaking patterns.
21:00
<Erin>: would you be able to add the layering thing for skin marks and hair and all that?
21:00
<KasparoVv>: Actually not too hard, wouldn't have to do any janky stuff to accomplish it
21:00
<Erin>: because I really want that in to make this a lot easier on me
21:00
<KasparoVv>: well, if we did a port of TG's lizardman thing
21:00
<KasparoVv>: But that's a huge job
21:00
<KasparoVv>: OOC and to modularize it, too
21:01
<KasparoVv>: Oh god ooc
21:01
<KasparoVv>: I wish it was still summer, haha
21:01
<KasparoVv>: So much stuff was added in then. So much more time to work on it.
21:01
<Erin>: so you cant just copy paste some stuff like the hair layer?
21:01
<Erin>: make multiple?
21:02
<KasparoVv>: Actually you probably can
21:02
<Erin>: I can add all the new sprites like heterochromia and skin types fur types and all that
21:02
<Neri>: Heterochromia would be neat.
21:03
<KasparoVv>: For heterochromia you'd have to put a section called 'genetic quirks'
21:03
<Neri>: Not much use for Neri but be a neat option
21:03
<Erin>: Well goon just has it in the hair section
21:03
<Erin>: which they use for heterochromia, facial hair AND hair
21:03
<Erin>: you can have 3 hairstyles or 1 hairstyle with a beard and a different eye or whatever
21:03
<KasparoVv>: As for the hair layer thing, there'd have to be one for fur pattern and POSSIBLY even tail-pattern
21:03
<Erin>: mix and match
21:03
<Erin>: I could do like
21:04
<Erin>: tail tip
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<KasparoVv>: If we wanted to implement the muzzle-thing TG does for the lizmen, there'd be a mouth layer
21:04
<Erin>: make it so it becomes a different colour at the end
21:04
<Erin>: muzzle thing?
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<Valthorne>: Sorry about that, might want to kick the other one, flash freaked out and crashed
21:04
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, for the lizmen on TG you can have a 'sharp' muzzle with a more pointed nose, and a round one
21:04
<KasparoVv>: Which is like the one we have on our unathi
21:04
<Erin>: ah
21:05
<KasparoVv>: I figured since we're going to have doglike, foxlike, wolflike
21:05
<KasparoVv>: There'd be tiny tiny differences in the muzzle
21:05
<Erin>: Could also have hairstyles for vulp be like
21:05
<Erin>: droopy ears and stuff
21:05
<Erin>: I could do all the ears as hair
21:05
<Neri>: Neri has a white muzzle.
21:05
<Neri>: It's doable with the current system
21:05
<KasparoVv>: But the thing with that is that the default headsprite'd have to get the muzzle cut off, and have the default selection be the muzzle we have now
21:05
<KasparoVv>: The ears'd have to be a different layer if you want floppy ears and a mohawk or some jazz
21:06
<KasparoVv>: But it wouldn't be a problem to add that layer
20:55
<KasparoVv>: For the fox-like, the dog-like
20:55
<Neri>: Or in general just different speaking patterns.
20:55
<KasparoVv>: And then sub-dialects depending on locale-
20:55
<Neri>: Neri tends to speak in clipped sentences.
20:55
<Neri>: No extra words.
20:55
<Erin>: could make it so they all get a common language and then everyone can pick from a few more languages like clownish but new for vulp
20:55
<KasparoVv>: Yeah. Again, the language all depends on the culture of the area/pack and a bunch of other stuff
20:55
<Neri>: Yah.
20:55
<KasparoVv>: I don't think the whole sub-language thing'd make sense-- UNLESS
20:56
<KasparoVv>: UNLESS Vulpkanin as a 'species' came to be as a result of crossbreeding between the separate species
20:56
<Neri>: Could do that.
20:56
<KasparoVv>: Something that wasn't able to happen biologically for a long long time
20:56
<Erin>: well i mean they are 3 subspecies on 3 planets in the same system that shunned eachother
20:56
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, but you know
20:56
<KasparoVv>: Maybe there's a Romefox and Julidog or something.
20:56
<Erin>: why is it hard to think they all had different languages or atleast dialects?
20:56
<Erin>: mmm
20:57
<Neri>: They would only have been separated for about 500 or so years.
20:57
<Erin>: could just make it dialects so different ones from different planets are just supposed to talk slightly differently
20:57
<Neri>: So not long enough for the language to completely change.
20:57
<KasparoVv>: Yeah.
20:57
<Erin>: mmm
20:57
<Neri>: But definitely long enough for some speaking patterns to change.
20:57
<KasparoVv>: The reason why I mentioned what I did is
20:57
<KasparoVv>: It'd be a real bitch to have like 999 diff languages and dialects
20:57
<Neri>: Again with Neri's clipped and direct speaking.
20:57
<KasparoVv>: Where gameplay-wise all species on the Cyberiad have one language to themselves
20:58
<Erin>: what should they all speak like then? could make it so their primary food source is kind of like an influence
20:58
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<Neri>: Environment prolly influences
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<KasparoVv>: I think at that point it'd make sense for people to put fox-like, dog-like, wolf-like and their dialect in their flavour texts
20:58
<Erin>: like people from the winter planet might insult you by saying you smell like rotton fish or look shallow like ice
20:58
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, environment, what earth species they most closely resemble
20:58
<KasparoVv>: Oop! I have an idea.
20:58
<Erin>: mmm
20:58
<KasparoVv>: You know how foxes gecker and such, right?
20:59
<KasparoVv>: I figure while speaking canilunzt, it can run a check to see a vulpkanin's dialect preference
20:59
<KasparoVv>: Where dialect preference can be set to either 'canid' or 'vulpine'
20:59
<Neri>: I'm thinking environment resulted in the clipped speaking for the dusty moon people.
20:59
<Neri>: No wasting water.
20:59
<Neri>: Less words the better.
20:59
<KasparoVv>: Which would mean, when speaking canilunzt, it adds a few speaking verbs unique to the canids
20:59
<KasparoVv>: and a verb or two for the vulpine like geckers or whatever Renard says
20:59
<Neri>: Be neat.
21:00
<KasparoVv>: Wouldn't be too nasty to code
21:00
<Neri>: Prolly too hard to code yah.
21:00
<Neri>: Can just put in the lorepage for speaking patterns.
21:00
<Erin>: would you be able to add the layering thing for skin marks and hair and all that?
21:00
<KasparoVv>: Actually not too hard, wouldn't have to do any janky stuff to accomplish it
21:00
<Erin>: because I really want that in to make this a lot easier on me
21:00
<KasparoVv>: well, if we did a port of TG's lizardman thing
21:00
<KasparoVv>: But that's a huge job
21:00
<KasparoVv>: OOC and to modularize it, too
21:01
<KasparoVv>: Oh god ooc
21:01
<KasparoVv>: I wish it was still summer, haha
21:01
<KasparoVv>: So much stuff was added in then. So much more time to work on it.
21:01
<Erin>: so you cant just copy paste some stuff like the hair layer?
21:01
<Erin>: make multiple?
21:02
<KasparoVv>: Actually you probably can
21:02
<Erin>: I can add all the new sprites like heterochromia and skin types fur types and all that
21:02
<Neri>: Heterochromia would be neat.
21:03
<KasparoVv>: For heterochromia you'd have to put a section called 'genetic quirks'
21:03
<Neri>: Not much use for Neri but be a neat option
21:03
<Erin>: Well goon just has it in the hair section
21:03
<Erin>: which they use for heterochromia, facial hair AND hair
21:03
<Erin>: you can have 3 hairstyles or 1 hairstyle with a beard and a different eye or whatever
21:03
<KasparoVv>: As for the hair layer thing, there'd have to be one for fur pattern and POSSIBLY even tail-pattern
21:03
<Erin>: mix and match
21:03
<Erin>: I could do like
21:04
<Erin>: tail tip
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<KasparoVv>: If we wanted to implement the muzzle-thing TG does for the lizmen, there'd be a mouth layer
21:04
<Erin>: make it so it becomes a different colour at the end
21:04
<Erin>: muzzle thing?
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<Valthorne>: Sorry about that, might want to kick the other one, flash freaked out and crashed
21:04
<KasparoVv>: Yeah, for the lizmen on TG you can have a 'sharp' muzzle with a more pointed nose, and a round one
21:04
<KasparoVv>: Which is like the one we have on our unathi
21:04
<Erin>: ah
21:05
<KasparoVv>: I figured since we're going to have doglike, foxlike, wolflike
21:05
<KasparoVv>: There'd be tiny tiny differences in the muzzle
21:05
<Erin>: Could also have hairstyles for vulp be like
21:05
<Erin>: droopy ears and stuff
21:05
<Erin>: I could do all the ears as hair
21:05
<Neri>: Neri has a white muzzle.
21:05
<Neri>: It's doable with the current system
21:05
<KasparoVv>: But the thing with that is that the default headsprite'd have to get the muzzle cut off, and have the default selection be the muzzle we have now
21:05
<KasparoVv>: The ears'd have to be a different layer if you want floppy ears and a mohawk or some jazz
21:06
<KasparoVv>: But it wouldn't be a problem to add that layer
21:06
<Erin>: Mmm, I can easily remove the ears too
21:06
<Erin>: Could also do like
21:06
<KasparoVv>: All I'm talking about for the muzzle and layer bit's in the TG system r.n., so coding this'd just involve using that as a ref
21:06
<Erin>: holes in an ear and stuff
21:06
<Erin>: mmm
21:06
<KasparoVv>: Yeah
21:07
<Neri>: Be nice if we could do earings.
21:07
<KasparoVv>: I figure the ears'd be, round, sharp, large, pointed, clipped, and torn
21:07
<KasparoVv>: oop-- and floppy
21:07
<KasparoVv>: That'd be 'ear accessories'
21:07
<Neri>: True.
21:07
<KasparoVv>: If we put that in on character-creation, we'd have to add in something like bay
21:07
<Erin>: I could add those as items to just put on your ears
21:07
<KasparoVv>: Where you can choose stuff like that, but that's not how we operate
21:08
<Erin>: nah.. just add it as an item that you can get from a machine
21:08
<KasparoVv>: ^^
21:08
<Erin>: like the clothes machines
21:08
<KasparoVv>: A 'jewellery' machine
21:08
<KasparoVv>: Has necklaces, watches, earrings
21:08
<Erin>: I can do earings that would work with every type of ear including humans but it might take a bit
21:08
<KasparoVv>: For earrings it'd be easy to do
21:09
<KasparoVv>: If you look at the way I did the vox uniforms, have a species check
21:09
<Erin>: Well if we want customizable ears
21:09
<KasparoVv>: And then sprite-sheets in the main file for it
21:09
<Erin>: you would need to check what ear sprites you are using
21:09
<KasparoVv>: You'd just need to check the player species, I don't think uvlpkanin ears would be SO DIFFERENT that we'd have to have earrings in different spots
21:09
<KasparoVv>: I think we should try to tailor the earsprites with that in mind
21:09
<KasparoVv>: save alot of work tha tway
21:10
<Erin>: Well if we want floppy ears AND pointy ears that is atleast 2 since they go in totally different directions
21:10
<KasparoVv>: I mean, even if they're floppy, the bottom edge facing away from the head would still be in the same spot
21:10
<KasparoVv>: Just gotta look for that one pixel that's common
21:10
<Erin>: mmm
21:10
<Erin>: I could do it
21:10
<Erin>: it just might be a bit tricky to make it look good. It wont stop me though
21:11
<KasparoVv>: Going to be a large project but I mean, so long as we get the code
21:11
<KasparoVv>: codersprites don't matter, those can be changed easy peazy later on
21:11
<Erin>: Yeah
21:11
<KasparoVv>: So long as there's a basic representation in
21:11
<Erin>: Give me those and I'll jazz them up to be consistant with the species sprite
21:11
<KasparoVv>: yeah

21:12
<Erin>: alright
21:12
<Neri>: I have been saving it.
21:12
<Erin>: I just want to do tail tips
21:12
<Erin>: patterns for tails will be an annoyance
21:12
<Neri>: I sorta want tail ribbons at some point.
21:12
<Erin>: doing tips will be much easier
21:12
<Neri>: I could see Neri with a green ribbon on her tail.
21:12
<KasparoVv>: I'd be able to work the sprites in for the patterns later if it's ap roblem, so long as the coding framework's in
21:12
<Erin>: so the tail just gradually changes colour
21:12
<KasparoVv>: >tail accessories layer @neri
21:12
<KasparoVv>: Anyway, peace
21:13
<Erin>: cya
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<Neri>: Cya~

Neri
Erin
Valthorne
FoS
21:12
<Erin>: patterns for tails will be an annoyance
21:12
<Neri>: I sorta want tail ribbons at some point.
21:12
<Erin>: doing tips will be much easier
21:12
<Neri>: I could see Neri with a green ribbon on her tail.
21:12
<KasparoVv>: I'd be able to work the sprites in for the patterns later if it's ap roblem, so long as the coding framework's in
21:12
<Erin>: so the tail just gradually changes colour
21:12
<KasparoVv>: >tail accessories layer @neri
21:12
<KasparoVv>: Anyway, peace
21:13
<Erin>: cya
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<Neri>: Cya~
21:13
<Erin>: I might also do like
21:13
<Erin>: colour swatches for each species
21:13
<Erin>: humans and vulp
21:13
<Erin>: maybe even vox if we add to that
21:14
<Erin>: so i'll have it for example with humans go from really pale to really dark with a bunch of colour variations inbetween
21:14
<Erin>: so when you pick a number instead of just shading the sprite it overlays a colour
21:15
<Neri>: Yah.
21:15
<Neri>: Be neat.
21:16
<Erin>: so if you want your character to be lightly red instead of just mildly brown
21:16
<Erin>: with humans as an example
21:16
<Neri>: Ah~
21:16
<Erin>: vulps would be way more varied
21:16
<Valthorne>: I'll be back, flash is still freaking out, I need to restart
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<Erin>: k
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<Erin>: im gonna cryo because all these rounds with the gangster guy making his greytide force are annoying me
21:18
<Neri>: Kay
21:19
<Erin>: So yeah what else
21:20
<Erin>: we have history where they were at a solar travel stage but not interstellar, 3 distinct subbranches of the same species but all had racial tensions and possibly different religious background, the planet descriptions and some ideas for dialects, fur patterns aannnddd group mentality?
21:20
<Erin>: oh and diet
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<Neri>: Sure.
21:21
<Erin>: welcome back
21:21
<Erin>: didnt really say anything new
21:22
<Neri>: 21:18	<Neri>: Kay 21:19	<Erin>: So yeah what else 21:20	<Erin>: we have history where they were at a solar travel stage but not interstellar, 3 distinct subbranches of the same species but all had racial tensions and possibly different religious background, the planet descriptions and some ideas for dialects, fur patterns aannnddd group mentality?
21:22
<Val>: Ah, flash is working again
21:22
<Neri>: Might as well add that bit
21:22
<Erin>: alright cool
21:22
<Neri>: And yay
21:22
<Erin>: I'll write everything we have so far in more detail.
21:23
<Erin>: Planets:
21:23
<Erin>: Home planet: Earthlike with varying climates
21:23
<Neri>: I can help with specific lorebits for stuff also.
21:23
<Erin>: Moon: Dustball that has minor terraforming
21:24
<Erin>: Second planet: Frozen ocean planet where the diet mainly consists of fish
21:25
<Erin>: Background lore: Vulpkanin were all one kind at the beginning of their solar travel journey but evolved some minor differences such as dietary preferences and nose/ear/fur pattern types. Leading to racial tensions which is roughly when NT arrived and forced them into an interstellar community
21:26
<Erin>: Behavior: pack based meat eaters with minor plant matter in their diet perhaps. main meals being red meat and fish. Leader based hierarchy and depression onsets when away from a group
21:27
<Erin>: anything else?
21:30
<Val>: Some things around culture maybe?
21:30
<Neri>: Yah.
21:31
<Erin>: I don't know if we came up with too much other than it derived from hunter type culture like humans did and that they had racial stigmas and differing dialects
21:31
<Neri>: Background lore has some additional things to add.
21:31
<Neri>: I believed we talked about them deteching for a bit after spreading to their moons.
21:31
<Erin>: oh right
21:31
<Neri>: Which resulted in the divergent evolutions.
21:32
<Erin>: something happened and they lost contact with eachother
21:32
<Erin>: maybe thats roughly when NT arrives, when they barely regained the ability to communicate with eachother again
21:32
<Erin>: the signal caused NT to discover the system
21:32
<Neri>: Yah.
21:32
<Neri>: What happened though?
21:32
<Val>: Maybe like a sort of civil war that knocked out communication?
21:33
<Neri>: Bluespace abnomally frying tech maybe?
21:33
<Val>: Took down the communication network
21:33
<Erin>: Could even be that a solar flair destroyed all of their communications equipment
21:33
<Neri>: Oh yah
21:33
<Neri>: Solar flare
21:33
<Val>: That sounds good
21:33
<Neri>: Minor star expansion?
21:33
<Neri>: Maybe what prompted the push for space in the first place?
21:33
<Erin>: Maybe their system is twinstar and both of them fused
21:33
<Erin>: probably overpopulation
21:33
<Neri>: No, Too violent.
21:34
<Neri>: Seeing the star expanding even a little would push a race to spread out ASAP
21:34
<Neri>: So they could have spread to their moons, then the star got larger, releasing a flare that fried comms system wide.
21:34
<Erin>: or their star is in its dying stages
21:34
<Val>: Maybe it's quite an old star, near the end of the life cycle
21:35
<Neri>: Resulting in expansion
21:35
<Erin>: so it went from a star like our own to a red giant
21:35
<Erin>: mmm
21:35
<Erin>: And thus that is where the racial tension comes from
21:35
<Neri>: The isolation from it
21:35
<Erin>: because the original planet wants to move to the new colonies but there isnt room
21:35
<Erin>: plus the isolation
21:36
<Erin>: sound good?
21:36
<Neri>: Methinks the tension would just be caused from 500 or so years of isolation.
21:36
<Erin>: yeah but the whole
21:37
<Neri>: 500 years is long enough for the existence of other groups to become a myth.
21:37
<Erin>: star expanding causing each planet to slowly become less like its original climate
21:37
<Erin>: also would contribute
21:37
<Erin>: mmm
21:37
<Erin>: well they are like our stage in tech
21:37
<Neri>: Seriously. 500 years is a loooong time.
21:37
<Erin>: so they know eachother exist
21:37
<Erin>: they have proof
21:37
<Neri>: They have "proof"
21:37
<Erin>: video and what not
21:37
<Erin>: written documents
21:37
<Neri>: They can't prove it cause comms are totes fucked and the solar flare wrecked tech.
21:37
<Erin>: mmm could be
21:37
<Neri>: Maybe they had most knowledge archives digital?
21:38
<Erin>: so they went backwards kinda
21:38
<Neri>: Yah.
21:38
<Erin>: because of a massive solar expansion releasing a mega flare
21:38
<Neri>: Lost a lot of data and just recently recovered right around when nanotress showed up.
21:38
<Erin>: if we added an away mission for the vulp homeworld that would be a cool event
21:39
<Neri>: Most vulps going for crew positions being part of an "aid" deal with nanotress perhaps?
21:39
<Erin>: like everyone has to evacuate the system before the flare destroys the technology required to get back
21:39
<Erin>: sure
21:39
<Neri>: Yah.
21:39
<Neri>: Help evac in exchange for cheap workers.
21:39
<Erin>: so nanotrasen is evacuating the system and vulps have become indebted and now work as nanotrasen
21:39
<Erin>: yeah
21:40
<Neri>: Although the majority being skeptical of nanotress's intentions due to reports from members currently employed.
21:40
<Neri>: Dangerous working environments, mass death, and so on.
21:40
<Erin>: mmm
21:40
<Erin>: so they have to choose between
21:41
<Erin>: slow extinction or terrible lives
21:41
<Erin>: damn that is harsh
21:41
<Erin>: i like it though
21:42
<Neri>: Yah.
21:42
<Erin>: we should overhaul all the lore i think
21:42
<Erin>: like 1 at a time
21:42
<Neri>: All species?
21:42
<Neri>: No.
21:42
<Erin>: add new systems and really make it much nicer
21:42
<Erin>: i mean over time
21:42
<Erin>: not all at once
21:43
<Neri>: Vulp is the only one that needs an overhaul.
21:43
<Neri>: The others can be altered a lil yes.
21:43
<Neri>: But most is fine.
21:43
<Erin>: mmm well i still want to add a lot of these systems for all the other races
21:43
<Erin>: like skin types and colour variations
21:44
<Erin>: new layers and what not
21:44
<Val>: A lore overhaul is due
21:44
<Erin>: because having a dark grey and reddish brown vox would be cool
21:44
<FoS>: Honestly there isn't much point in revamping lore imo. Most people don't go off of lore anyways and you don't want really restrictive lore because then you have a whole bunch of people in tiny cookie-cutter molds and that makes for uninteresting interaction.
21:44
<FoS>: The only exception is vox - lots of vox actually follow lore.
21:45
<Erin>: I want to be vox but i dont get the cortical stack thing and all that
21:45
<Neri>: Since Vulps completely lack lore, could be a possibility of getting the vulp players to follow lore.
21:45
<Erin>: Do humans have lore?
21:45
<Neri>: I know I'm gonna be following the vulp lore that I helped develop~
21:45
<Erin>: But yeah i dont want cookiecutter rp either
21:45
<Erin>: i want it all very varied like human culture is
21:45
<FoS>: Thing is - when i started making vulps i had intended to make lore but they got added to quick and someone else added lore and honestly it wasn't what i had in mind.
21:46
<Neri>: Def not cookiecuttering the vulps.
21:46
<Neri>: Looootta room for variability.
21:46
<Erin>: these are all just generalizations for behavior
21:46
<Erin>: its not something you have to follow 100%
21:46
<Neri>: General overall behaviors yes, but not specific this and that.
21:46
<FoS>: Tajaran have super restrictive lore, for example.
21:47
<FoS>: "They're slaves. They only do x jobs."
21:47
<FoS>: Probably why hardly anyone pays it any attention.
21:48
<Erin>: FoS would you be in favour of taking the fur idea we had and adding it to other races though?
21:48
<Erin>: because i'm totally good with making different skin types or areas that can be coloured differently for all species
21:49
<FoS>: I wasn't paying attention during that. When I initially started working on vulp I wanted fur patterns but currently there isn't a system for that. Ideally it would be a 'tattoo' system for most races and fur/markings for some other races.
21:49
<Erin>: like freckles for humans or different feathering for vox
21:49
<FoS>: brb a bit.
21:49
<Erin>: k
21:50
<Val>: So little bits of lore added at a time
21:50
<Neri>: Hence why we're steering clear of the Taja being slaves style thing for the Vulps.
21:51
<Erin>: I mean lore like that is fine so long as it doesnt apply to NOW
21:51
<Erin>: like tajarans being slaves could have been a thing in the past
21:51
<Erin>: but theres no mechanic or good reason for them to be slaves
21:51
<Erin>: not that would be fun anyway
21:51
<Neri>: Yes, Vulps are working in somewhat dangerous environments and don't exactly like nanotress, but they still enjoy a fair amount of comfort.
21:52
<Neri>: Also it's better then going extinct from solar expansion.
21:52
<Erin>: some obviously decided to stay though
21:52
<Erin>: so some were left without families
21:52
<Erin>: etc
21:52
<Erin>: just stuff people can use to add into their character background
21:52
<Erin>: thats what you want to do is give them interesting things that they could share with another players backstory
21:53
<Erin>: that dont apply to how they play overly much
21:53
<Neri>: Yah
21:53
<Neri>: And Nanotress dumping vulps from various subspecies onto the same station is prolly helping integrate them with one another again.
21:54
<Erin>: they probably went through sensitivity training but still have their biases and judgemental views of eachother and of other species
21:54
<Erin>: some wont though
21:54
<Neri>: Yah
21:54
<Val>: Vulp lore is needed though, let me just get the small amount of current lore which is like a few lines
21:55
<Erin>: i mean of course add lore but nothing like
21:55
<Erin>: VULPS ARE ALL PACK ANIMALS
21:55
<Neri>: Neri is more or less glad to hang out with any Vulp. She might prefer to hang out with those from her dusty moon, buuuut definitely prefers vulps over humans.
21:55
<Erin>: they "prefer" to fall into packs and some will experiance hard feelings being out of one. but there are outliers
21:56
<Neri>: She's slightly xenophobic but not too much. Will always prefer to save a vulp or a close friend of another species over someone more injured.
21:57
<Erin>: we will probably have some historical figures maybe
21:57
<Erin>: the current leader of each colony
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<Neri>: Erin classes as a nonvulp she would have in the close friend category due to interactions.
21:57
<Erin>: their political systems and the main views of each
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<Neri>: And yah.
21:57
<Erin>: sorry val, just said their political systems and main views of each world would be explained in the lore
21:58
<Neri>: I'd imagine vulp political structures would be rather loose.
21:58
<Erin>: mmm
21:58
<Neri>: Since the packswitch
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<Val>: Great, my internet is having a go now
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<Erin>: maybe say the more pack orientated found it hard to immigrate
21:58
<Erin>: being away from their families and packs
21:58
<Erin>: or making it in another
21:59
<Erin>: while the outliers dont really care
21:59
<Val>: Hmm, let me get types of political structures to see what one it would fit into the most
21:59
<Neri>: I'm thinking a communistic technocracy.
21:59
<Erin>: mmmm
21:59
<Neri>: The mental switch would result in those suited for specific duties just going and doing it.
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<Erin>: i think packs themselves should be kind of like a soft anarchism while their pack based societies are more strict
22:00
<Neri>: Yah.
22:01
<Val>: From what I can get it most fits band society type behavior
22:01
<Erin>: should they have a canon law?
22:01
<Erin>: like... an eye for an eye is fair in vulp cultures?
22:02
<Erin>: or should they be more court orientated
22:02
<Neri>: I'm thinking they wouldn't go for the violence
22:02
<Erin>: they are hunters though
22:02
<Neri>: I mean, they may have been isolationist from one another, but they didn't go through any purges
22:02
<Erin>: so violence is built into them a little, i mean we already washed it down quite a bit
22:02
<Erin>: of couse this is more on a local level
22:02
<Neri>: Humans are hunters also.
22:02
<Erin>: this is actually happening in the balkens somewhere
22:02
<Erin>: mhm
22:02
<Neri>: We're violent as hell.
22:03
<Erin>: theres a country with a canon law
22:03
<Erin>: so if somebody kills a family member that family can enact revenge
22:03
<Erin>: it adds a really interesting situation in that
22:04
<Neri>: I'm thinking Vulp law should be more along the lines of serving x time as a servant or similar under the wronged person with certain restrictions to prevent exploitation.
22:04
<Erin>: it is a very localized fear for families of murderers
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<Neri>: Would fit with the mental switch.
22:04
<Erin>: mmm
22:04
<Erin>: because i want to add something ravenous to them
22:04
<Neri>: Territorial.
22:04
<Erin>: since they are based on wolves, foxes and dogs
22:04
<Erin>: there you go
22:04
<Neri>: If they feel like their space is invaded.
22:04
<Erin>: territorial
22:04
<Neri>: They snap.
22:05
<Neri>: Neri has done this before. Not violently. But has made biiig fusses when her workspace is invaded.
22:05
<Erin>: thats normal for anybody though
22:05
<Erin>: vulps should take it just a little further
22:05
<Neri>: It's normal to complain.
22:06
<Neri>: Not spend half an hour trying to get the person and their mother demoted.
22:06
<Neri>: Dragging security down to the shop three times to escort the guy out.
22:06
<Erin>: maybe vulps will forcefully remove people invading their space if they dont leave
22:06
<Neri>: If they don't leave after being warned repeatedly.
22:06
<Neri>: They don't get violent immediately.
22:06
<Erin>: mmm
22:07
<Neri>: Also law restrains that bit.
22:07
<Erin>: I think that if somebody enters their area most vulps should get antagnostic with them like you know
22:07
<Erin>: snarling and demanding they leave
22:07
<Erin>: there will be outliers of course
22:07
<Erin>: if they dont than minor violence might ensue
22:07
<Neri>: In a vulp community though, getting rude, fairly nasty, and eventually escalating to literally throwing out the door is something.
22:08
<Neri>: Unless the person is trusted enough to be in /Their/ space.
22:08
<Erin>: yah
22:08
<Erin>: yeah*
22:09
<Neri>: Example being Neri letting Erin into her workshop without questions.
22:09
<Neri>: An inverse would be when Neri made a massive fuss when Zeik Sharp bypassed the chain of command and got the cappy to give him access. Resulted in a 30 minute shitfit.
22:10
<Neri>: Another example would be when Victor broke into Neri's shop yesterday. She snapped at him immediately when she noticed.
22:10
<Neri>: Deescalated when he apologized though.
22:11
<Neri>: That's another thing that could be there. Admitting when you are wrong being the norm.
22:11
<Neri>: Also fits the switch.
22:11
<Erin>: can easily become friends with a vulp by offering them their favorite food
22:11
<Erin>: xD
22:11
<Neri>: Nah. Material things shouldn't sway Vulps much.
22:12
<Neri>: More of the effort needed to acquire the things.
22:12
<Neri>: Hence why when Victor asked for help stealing the Cappy's gun, Neri demanded a room full of potato batteries or blue tomatoes.
22:12
<Erin>: should vulps then give rare gifts as signs of friendship or when asking for something in return?
22:12
<Neri>: Both would have taken quite a bit of effort to get but neither were possible.
22:12
<Erin>: like as a sign of good intention
22:13
<Neri>: Provided the gift took effort to acquire or make.
22:14
<Neri>: I'm thinking accomplishment is highly valued.
22:15
<Neri>: More so then the results.
22:15
<Erin>: mmm
22:15
<Erin>: so if a vulp chef burns their food they spent ages preparing
22:15
<Erin>: the thought is what counts to other vulp
22:15
<Val>: Looking through government structures at the moment and I found the one that fits NT perfectly, corporate republic, ticks all the boxes for that
22:16
<Erin>: oh?
22:16
<Erin>: what about the vulp home system worlds?
22:17
<Erin>: im thinking like
22:17
<Erin>: a modernized feudal system
22:17
<Erin>: like
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<Erin>: packs act as families
22:17
<Neri>: And yah. If a vulp chef spent a lot of effort on the food and accidentally fucked up, the effort is what matters.
22:17
<Erin>: and the packs have heirarchies similar to feudal where its one leader and then sub leaders
22:17
<Neri>: And explain what Corporate Republic is?
22:17
<Erin>: and packs fall into that too
22:17
<Erin>: so theres a leading pack and it keeps falling down the line
22:18
<Neri>: I'm not sure a feudal system would fully work.
22:19
<Erin>: thats for their homeworlds
22:19
<Erin>: not on station
22:19
<Erin>: and it would be more fluid and pack based
22:19
<Erin>: so the leading pack can easily be upped by a more suitable pack should one arise
22:19
<Val>: With the isolation bit before I say that could be a way to explain many different government structures, gives complete freedom of choice
22:20
<Neri>: Ah
22:20
<Neri>: Makes sense.

22:21
<Neri>: I am saving the logs by the way.
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<Neri>: When this discussion is over. Will put in pastebin on forum.
22:22
<Erin>: try to highlight the parts that are important
22:22
<Erin>: if you can
22:22
<Erin>: like bolden them or something or put a * next to it
22:23
<Neri>: Not sure if pastebin allows that.
22:23
<Erin>: should we come up with a rough draft then?
22:23
<Neri>: Anyways. Back to government system?
22:24
<Erin>: I still think a pack based hierarchy would work well
22:24
<Neri>: Again why a Communistic Technocracy works in my head for this.
22:25
<Neri>: Those suited to the jobs they are suited for.
22:25
<Erin>: Mmm
22:25
<Neri>: Those suited for leader roles take control.
22:25
<Neri>: Someone more suited shows up. They ceed control.
22:26
<Neri>: Try shoving one that doesn't feel suited into a leader role, they're gonna complain.
22:26
<Neri>: Which is part of why Neri makes a fuss whenever she gets stuck with a Head role.
22:27
<Neri>: Authority isn't something all Vulps enjoy.
22:27
<Neri>: Some might like it more then others.
22:27
<Neri>: But some just naturally prefer one or the other.
22:29
<Neri>: She's fine with taking a "leader" role so long as it isn't actually official. Moment it becomes official, she starts complaining.
22:30
<Neri>: Example of an unofficial is when she takes over medbay cause the CMO is AWOL and starts ordering medics around.
22:30
<Neri>: Example of an official is when she accidentally got herself promoted to CE midshift. She complained. A lot.
22:30
<Neri>: She still did it. But she complained.
22:31
<Erin>: or we could put that under like
22:31
<Erin>: vulps dont like massive changes suddenly
22:31
<Neri>: No.
22:31
<Erin>: so most vulps have to deal with that being new crew on NT
22:31
<Neri>: That is waaay too general.
22:32
<Neri>: Vulps get comfortable in a role and don't like that role changed on them without choosing so.
22:32
<Erin>: yeah exactly that would be a massive unexpected change
22:32
<Neri>: But change in general is too general.
22:32
<Neri>: Too varied.
22:32
<Neri>: Rolebased change works better.
22:33
<Erin>: I think that change works fine on its own. if the station gets overrun by a blob even non vulps are going to not like the new situation they have been presented with
22:34
<Neri>: But general change is too drastic.
22:34
<Erin>: but yeah i think we should take all our behavior related ideas and pick and choose right now
22:35
<Neri>: Too big an option
22:35
<Erin>: we dont want to have a lot of different things players have to focus on in order to properly rp a vulp
22:37
<Neri>: Yah.
22:39
<Erin>: well i think i have contributed a bit to this
22:39
<Erin>: so im gonna go lay down for awhile
22:39
<Erin>: update me on how it goes
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22:42
<Neri>: Prolly all we're gonna get done tonight.
22:43
<Neri>: Maybe tomorrow will have a larger group. Gonna pastebin this and put it on the forums.