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  1. Response to "Investigation of Skydemon and crazed player[sic]" by shamu.
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  4. https://epicmafia.com/game/5335793/review -maf vegges
  5. Crazed is oracle and sky blue, crazed orcs outside of sky. D1, Skydemon interacts with crazed once, and crazed never says anything about sky. D2, crazed says 'orc claim first' and sky proceeds to claim orc. Crazed had no reason to trust sky with the rs considering the lack of reads on eachother. Crazed dies revealing mafia, and other mafia vegges.
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  7. *** I also don't orc the other 7 choices I have either. Me not orcing a 1/9 is a crazy to even put on this. I only interact with TWO people on D1. Dorzel and savalo105. The cop and doc claim. D1 Doc is lynched and we are in LYLO. We have 2 conf mafia and I tell orc to claim (as orc). There is no need for orc to claim as it doesn't help us when there are 2 conf mafia. After the mafia are lynched orc should claim and and either be cc'd or lynch the cc's in blue. As soon as Sky claims orc I vote. As mafia or town, the orc claim will not matter later in the game. If Sky was mafia then she would have to battle my late claim later in which I softed orc D1 and D2. ***
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  11. https://epicmafia.com/game/5341374/review - town wins
  12. Sky is doc and crazed is blue. Sky is doc and crazed is blue. Orc dies and reveals blue, janitor is lynched in cop cc's. N2 mafia kills blue and sky is on cop. D1 neither player outs reads on each other and pushed the same person in cops. D2 crazed says, 'doc claim' and then shortly thereafter 'I am doc'. Sky lets crazed rs even though there had been no prior interaction between them. Crazed leads a lynch, and then sky follows it without complaint. Mafia kills crazed assuming he's doc and they lose.
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  14. This game alone should be enough to convict someone of cheating.
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  16. ***Oh man, this is the fun one. Jan lynched D1. D2 is all about the scum hunt. At the end mafia is gonna claim doc if they are getting lynched to fish the doc out. Because of this I want the doc to claim now to not worry about that. The cop outs that he doesn't want the doc to claim so I claim doc. I know I will be cc'd so I ask for them. I am not CC'd but Sky said something that tipped me off. She said "Crazed is confirmed." To confirm I said "Sky Thank you" and she sent me a <3. So I knew she was doc. I thought the role swap was a little bit obvious as I was the one telling the doc to claim then i claimed and asked for CC's but w/e. It also says that I lead that day and I don't lead at all. I force the leading to the cop and sheep it. I even said at one point that I am not gonna out reads because no-one will listen. Sky was almost lynched at the end of the day and I retract doc as I thought she claimed. I wasn't paying much attention and all I see is Sky saying "crazed, back off the votes." ***I NEVER LEAD. SKY NEVER FOLLOWED ME ***
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  20. https://epicmafia.com/game/5347618/review - Town wins
  21. Crazed is lawyer and sky is cop. Sky just so happens to check crazed 'the law' while crazed gives the idea of no janning. Crazed then innos sky even after sky typed 'I'm the real cop and I'm not getting fucking lynched d1, and since you pussies won't believe me if I don't c/p here it is Cra'. After that he changes his report (making him look more suspicious). Sky goes on to win the game with reports.
  22. Almost definite game throwing.
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  24. ***Another fun one... Jeff asks if he has to cc and that he doesn't want to I tell him that I will claim and ask that he no jans so I know the kill. With me CCing D1 he will be safe to an N2. I had my C/P ready "I AM TOWN AGAIN AND COP, SKY IS" and I was gonna inno her because as mafia I never inno. So I was gonna use that to clear myself and get my CC lynched. However, Sky is the cop and since I inno'd that conf me. So I tried to say that I messed my C/P up and that Lady was my check and not Sky. I end up fighting hard throughout the day and even convince the orc that I am the real cop. ***
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  28. https://epicmafia.com/game/5335690/review Their first game together this round. Crazed was orc and Sky was cop, they both picked snowie at about the same time. Crazed got n1ed, the game went on fine, where it looks like nothing suspicious was happening, but a comment at the end of the game kinda caught my eye, sky said "orc u did ur job too!" and when crazed brought up that maf nked, sky acted as if he knew he was maf the whole time, yeah he checked him twice in a row, but I think Crazed with the gy vision told him the maf. This game was nothing major, but with the other games I've looked at, it kinda fits with them. - ponylove
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  30. ***First off, it wouldn't make since for us to Sky and me to be on the same person as Orc and Cop as if I die then Sky gets no report. Which is exactly what happens. D1 blue is lynched. N2 of the game Sky checks the Doc. Why would she check the Doc if I have GY vision?.. D2 Nilla is lynched. N3 Sky checks the Lawyer but ends up lynching the Jan on D3. N4 Sky checks the Lawyer again. Mind you it would be autowin if Sky checked the other blue claim. She checked the Lawyer again though as he NK'd into autolose for himself as Sky got a second chance to check the right person. The orc did your job comment? I guess it was just being nice? Don;t really know for sure.***
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  34. https://epicmafia.com/game/5335834/review
  35. Sky dying seemed to turn it into a town win? Cop got lynched d1, and the game turned around pretty quickly for town, but by reading, sky seemed to be trying to win, which hints at the possibility crazed is kinda "throwing" for him, which is also relfected[sic] by their stats this round. -ponylove
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  37. ***I am mafia and Sky is town this game. Not sure why this game is here TBH? I made it to the 3 way which lasted 28 minutes before I was hammered. I fought hard throughout the day. If I was "throwing" for Sky I would have left Sky alive to hammer me. ***
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  41. https://epicmafia.com/game/5335765/review
  42. Not really a suspicious game, it just shows they know each other, I think that's made pretty clear. -ponylove
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  44. ***Both of us are mafia and I guess I am failing to see where the games shows that we know each other. I only met Sky after returning to EM. I have ZERO contact with anyone on EM outside of EM. Except RNB, but I knew him before EM.
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  48. https://epicmafia.com/game/5341333 - mafia wins
  49. Sky is mafia and crazed is blue. They barely interact d1, and crazed seemed to barely be trying. When sky fos'd him instead of defending himself or making his case he appealed to sky to vote the other person he fos'd. -shamu
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  51. sky maf, crazed town :I'm pretty convinced the last day Crazed knew sky was maf, like he voted him, but sky was just like, oh crazed is maf, basically trying to get him hammered, and crazed didn't say much about it. - ponylove
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  53. ***D1 the ONLY person I interacted with was the guilty. Lets point out that I didn't talk to the other 6 players as well. The way things are worded it makes it seems like I was ignoring Sky. When, in fact the day lasted less then 2 minutes and 30 seconds. D2.. There was no FOS between me and Sky. Sky was a direct CC to me. Sky was refusing to vote the other direct CC and wanted to vote me. I feel like some of these games are just posted and you type something up without looking at the game. Also, the Doc CCs are lynched today and mafia wins. It was a two day game. Sky was confirmed mafia to me. there is no "pretty convinced" again, are you even reading these games?***
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  57. Throughout many of the games here they barely interact with eachother d1 even when pregame they are seen talking to eachother.
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  59. ***I barely interact with ANYONE on D1 othside of the CCs unless I am trying to swap the lynch to someone else.***
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  63. Finishing thoughts - Crazedplayer and skydemon likely cheated in some of their games, with possible throwing by crazed in others.
  64. Of the 11 games they share, sky won 7 lost 1 and 3 did not count. There are many cases where crazed or sky seem to obtain information they did not have before, and they know eachother.
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  66. ***Again, I don't know who Sky is and only met her on EM when I came back.***
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  70. Crazed has admitted to cheating before in the past
  71. CrazedPlayer2h 1m
  72. Mana
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  74. crazedplayer.
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  76. Years later and I am still remembered. Ty
  77. - from the cheating database thread
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  79. Crazed is also Craz a previously banned user who definitely has cheated.
  80. https://epicmafia.com/report/34925 in this report Craz defends it in first person implying the similarities.
  81. Both players also came out of nowhere to enter this round.
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  83. ***It is well known that I am Craz and FoolishCop. I cheated years ago on FoolishCop. Came back as CrazedPlayer (because of my play style I like the name lol) and went on to be a normal player. I ended up outing who I was because I was gonna leave EM and shortly after I was pardoned so I stayed around for a little bit. Years ago cheating should not be held over my head now.***
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  87. Crazed also claims not to know Skydemon
  88. My friend? I only met Sky this this week or last week. I don't even know who sky really is TBH.
  89. -Round 446 Discussion.
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  91. ***Again, outside of EM, who is Sky? I don't know,***
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