Braviary Council Discussion

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[16:31] <%Raseri> not broken
[16:31] <+cbb> yes better not think about adv ou
[16:31] <+Keiran> why is braviary a suspect
[16:31] <%shnen> braviary isn't really broken imo
[16:31] <+cbb> or the rage will take over again
[16:31] <%Raseri> ^^^
[16:31] <@DTC> see: choice band braviary
[16:32] <@DTC> It 2HKO's practically everything and barely has to predict
[16:32] <+cbb> yeah obviously CB is the only one that even comes close to being broken
[16:32] <%shnen> can regirock take superpowers
[16:32] <@DTC> Not well
[16:32] <%Raseri> see: SR Weak, recoil move, slow and needs perfect prediction
[16:32] <+Keiran> it tanks cc from band sawk
[16:32] <%shnen> well that 2hkoes
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[16:32] <@DTC> You can just spam Brave Bird most of the time
[16:32] <@DTC> Not much resists that
[16:32] <%shnen> pstats, braviary
[16:32] <+pstats> Braviary [Normal/Flying] Keen Eye/Sheer Force/Defiant (DW, Unreleased) | 100/123/75/57/75/80 | NU | GK/LK: 60 BP
[16:32] <+cbb> 252Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Braviary (+Atk) Superpower vs 252HP/0Def Sturdy Regirock (Neutral): 62% - 73% (226 - 266 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
[16:32] <+cbb> it can take
[16:33] <+cbb> two superpowers once
[16:33] <+cbb> without rocks
[16:33] <+cbb> !
[16:33] <@DTC> Most matches you'll only have to predict with Braviary once
[16:33] <%Raseri> braviary dies really quick
[16:33] <@DTC> Maybe twice
[16:33] <%shnen> I actually like regirock with more def
[16:33] <%Raseri> and it is in an unfortunate speed tier
[16:33] <+cbb> braviary actually doesnt die that quickly
[16:33] <@DTC> It doesn't die very quickly
[16:33] <@DTC> Even if Sr is up
[16:33] <+Luck> BU braviary???
[16:33] <%shnen> but anyway that's irrelevant as no one runs that except for me
[16:33] <+cbb> if you spam brave bird all the time you#re doing it wrong
[16:33] <+cbb> frustration gets almost the same kills
[16:33] <%Raseri> I prefer swellow
[16:33] <+cbb> and doesnt have recoil
[16:34] <@DTC> Braviary can actually tank a hit, is slightly stronger, has Superpower, and doesn't die so quickly because of Toxic Orb
[16:34] <+cbb> yeah superpower is the
[16:34] <%shnen> it's just the horrible speed issue
[16:34] <+cbb> big one imo
[16:34] <+cbb> horrible?
01[16:34] <@NatGeo> i don't think braviary is broken imo
[16:34] <+cbb> sure its slower than stuff like sawk but
01[16:34] <@NatGeo> nor swellow
[16:34] <%shnen> I mean in comparison to swellow
[16:34] <%Raseri> if Braviry had base 90 speed id say ban it
[16:35] <+Luck> ???
[16:35] <+Luck> braviary hits very hard, has perfect coverage, has enormous bulk and 2 immunities
[16:35] <+Luck> what else do you want
[16:35] <+cbb> more speed
[16:35] <+cbb> !
[16:35] <+Luck> adaptability braviary???
[16:35] <%shnen> enormous bulk?
[16:35] <%Raseri> more speed
[16:35] <%shnen> pstats, braviary
[16:35] <+pstats> Braviary [Normal/Flying] Keen Eye/Sheer Force/Defiant (DW, Unreleased) | 100/123/75/57/75/80 | NU | GK/LK: 60 BP
[16:35] <+cbb> its not enormous
[16:35] <@DTC> Basically you're saying that underspeeding Sawk and Magmortar is the only thing that's keeping it from being broken?
[16:35] <+cbb> but 100/75/75
[16:35] <%shnen> decent bulk but not enormous
[16:35] <+cbb> is really good
[16:35] <+Luck> 100/75/75 is enormous for something like that
[16:35] <+cbb> for such a strong attacker
[16:35] <+cbb> pstats, Emboar
[16:35] <+pstats> Emboar [Fire/Fighting] Blaze/Reckless (DW, Unreleased) | 110/123/65/100/65/65 | NU | GK/LK: 100 BP
[16:35] <@DTC> When Magmortar isn't that common in NU right now and Sawk is scarfed or adamant a lot of the time
[16:35] <+cbb> about the same
[16:35] <@Steamroll> btw
[16:36] <@Steamroll> I already talked about the mons I'm worried about
[16:36] <%Raseri> and rotom-s/skuntank
[16:36] <@DTC> rotom-s is usually scarfed
[16:36] <@Steamroll> so I'll be out of this discussion and be taking care of other matters for now
[16:36] <@Steamroll> see you guys later
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[16:36] <@DTC> skuntank doesn't run max speed
[16:36] <%Raseri> there have been fewer scarved ones
[16:36] <%Raseri> i run max speed skuntank
[16:36] <%shnen> I don't know why the analysis has that silly bulky spread
[16:36] <%Raseri> subroost braviary gogogo
[16:36] <%shnen> max speed skuntank is the way to go imo
[16:36] <@DTC> I like bulky much more
[16:37] <%shnen> it doesn't get roost
[16:37] <@DTC> it doesn't have roost
[16:37] <%Raseri> oh really?
[16:37] <%Raseri> gay
[16:37] <+cbb> yes
[16:37] <+cbb> thats the one problem
[16:37] <%Raseri> subBU
[16:37] <+cbb> with roost it would AMAZING
[16:37] <+cbb> instead of amazing
[16:37] <%shnen> yeah subroost would be briliant
01[16:37] <@NatGeo> lol
01[16:37] <@NatGeo> yeah def
[16:37] <@DTC> I'm not convinced that Braviary is broken
01[16:37] <@NatGeo> lets wait for bw2 for that!
[16:37] <@DTC> But you're not giving it enough credit
01[16:37] <@NatGeo> and yeah its not... broken
01[16:37] <@NatGeo> when has it ever been
[16:38] <+cbb> yeah I wouldn't say its broken
[16:38] <%Raseri> nor would i
[16:38] <@DTC> Alright, tell you what: Use Choice Band Braviary more
[16:38] <@DTC> We'll discuss about Braviary next meeting
01[16:38] <@NatGeo> ok!
[16:38] <%shnen> yeah tbh I've never used CB braviary
01[16:38] <@NatGeo> what's next?
[16:38] <%Raseri> absol time?
[16:38] <@DTC> yeah, absol time