[4/8/14 3:35:14 PM] Travis: o/

[4/8/14 3:35:25 PM] Xeovar: hi

[4/8/14 3:35:46 PM] Xeovar: Canaris says you wanted to have a chat :)

[4/8/14 3:35:50 PM] Travis: ya

[4/8/14 3:36:07 PM] Travis: we are lookng at deploying potentially to your area

[4/8/14 3:36:55 PM] Travis:  i understand that you guys own a solid ammount of r64's in eso/paragon/stain and was hoping we could come to a kind of arrangement

[4/8/14 3:37:05 PM] Travis: regarding the moons/space

[4/8/14 3:37:52 PM] Xeovar: well we've been fighting over those assets for last 5 years, in last year mostly vs Raiden then you :)

[4/8/14 3:38:36 PM] Xeovar: obviously we are the weaker side in this discussion, so what do you have in mind?

[4/8/14 3:38:43 PM] Travis: im burn eden

[4/8/14 3:38:56 PM] Travis: so im quite familiar with coven and your general politics

[4/8/14 3:39:14 PM] Travis: basically we want the moons

[4/8/14 3:39:16 PM] Xeovar: yeah we are aware that you are related, but never knew who exactly has relations with who ;)

[4/8/14 3:39:39 PM] Travis: if we have to take the sov we most likely will

[4/8/14 3:40:20 PM] Xeovar: I know you can, and we accept that fact, to the extent that we can talk selling you the sov with the gear

[4/8/14 3:40:27 PM] Xeovar: if you really want it

[4/8/14 3:40:29 PM] Travis: but i dont want to spend a week to take both regions

[4/8/14 3:40:36 PM] Travis: well you guys rent the sov yes?

[4/8/14 3:40:46 PM] Xeovar: yeah, that is primary ally level income

[4/8/14 3:40:51 PM] Xeovar: moons are corp held

[4/8/14 3:40:56 PM] Travis: ok

[4/8/14 3:40:58 PM] Travis:  so ideally

[4/8/14 3:41:44 PM] Travis:  we buy the moons for 500ish each dont touch your sov etc and we dont take any more stain moons and let coven take all of them

[4/8/14 3:41:59 PM] Travis: maybe take 2-3 systems for beacons offices etc

[4/8/14 3:43:38 PM] Xeovar: there are few details that I guess I need to explain to you

[4/8/14 3:43:56 PM] Xeovar: first, after dd fell apart the russins are kindda in chaos

[4/8/14 3:44:11 PM] Xeovar: there are two factions and lack of leadership

[4/8/14 3:44:21 PM] Xeovar: and quite a lot of people without guidance

[4/8/14 3:44:27 PM] Travis: ya mactep stood down

[4/8/14 3:44:34 PM] Travis: tek is back

[4/8/14 3:44:38 PM] Xeovar: who currently generally shit around stain

[4/8/14 3:44:43 PM] Xeovar: and play pos games

[4/8/14 3:44:53 PM] Xeovar: we as c0ven really only ever controlled parts of stain

[4/8/14 3:44:57 PM] Xeovar: as you are probably aware

[4/8/14 3:44:59 PM] Travis: ofc

[4/8/14 3:45:02 PM] Xeovar: t-8 pocket, w-q pocket

[4/8/14 3:45:08 PM] Xeovar: sometimes rps area

[4/8/14 3:45:12 PM] Xeovar: rest was russian space

[4/8/14 3:45:15 PM] Travis: we control 37s pocket ;)

[4/8/14 3:45:21 PM] Xeovar: yeah as always :)

[4/8/14 3:45:41 PM] Xeovar: you are part of local landmarks the same way we are :)

[4/8/14 3:45:55 PM] Xeovar: anyway, most of stain moons are controlled by russians

[4/8/14 3:46:00 PM] Xeovar: HC

[4/8/14 3:46:08 PM] Xeovar: some of it Nullis I hear

[4/8/14 3:46:13 PM] Travis: we have 15-20

[4/8/14 3:46:15 PM] Xeovar: northern part is still -a-

[4/8/14 3:46:15 PM] Travis: in stain

[4/8/14 3:46:39 PM] Xeovar: we got maybe 30 total iirc would need to check as i said this is mostly corp stuff these days

[4/8/14 3:46:56 PM] Travis: im not concerened about the stain moons

[4/8/14 3:47:05 PM] Travis: really just want the ones in paragon and eso

[4/8/14 3:47:30 PM] Xeovar: yeah, well some of them are controlled by HoD, which is STFU guys

[4/8/14 3:47:36 PM] Xeovar: SE got a pocket

[4/8/14 3:47:38 PM] Xeovar: LEGIO got some

[4/8/14 3:47:42 PM] Travis: can grind those np

[4/8/14 3:47:46 PM] Travis: fuck legio

[4/8/14 3:47:51 PM] Travis: literally uselss shitlords

[4/8/14 3:47:55 PM] Xeovar: DARK. even controls some shit in PS

[4/8/14 3:48:13 PM] Xeovar: we still didnt took it all, dont really want to be overly aggresive with you :P

[4/8/14 3:48:37 PM] Travis: and we dont want to create some bitter resentment between us to parties

[4/8/14 3:48:47 PM] Travis: but when you are down 60 titans

[4/8/14 3:48:53 PM] Xeovar: thank you for understanding this part ;)

[4/8/14 3:49:03 PM] Xeovar: I understand

[4/8/14 3:49:28 PM] Xeovar: the NIP style deals are always hardest to manage

[4/8/14 3:49:41 PM] Xeovar: because you need to manage your trolls and butthurt ppl

[4/8/14 3:50:02 PM] Xeovar: to avoid going into emo "go to war" mode

[4/8/14 3:50:05 PM] Travis: we wouldnt really have to stay in the area so i dont thinkit would be much of an issue

[4/8/14 3:50:18 PM] Travis: if we took moons and you kept space

[4/8/14 3:50:32 PM] Xeovar: yeah, my point is that if the deal looks too much like being pet

[4/8/14 3:50:46 PM] Xeovar: I may not be able to enforce reasonable course of action

[4/8/14 3:50:49 PM] Travis: ok i understand

[4/8/14 3:51:11 PM] Xeovar: would you take literally all? r64s? anything else?

[4/8/14 3:51:27 PM] Travis: um ideally all the ones in eso and paragon

[4/8/14 3:51:41 PM] Travis: let you guys keep what you have in stain and we wont take anymore there

[4/8/14 3:51:51 PM] Travis: s you can control rthe parts of stain we dont

[4/8/14 3:52:40 PM] Xeovar: ok lemme ask a few questions so I get a feel about your position, then Ill run it thru my directors and I should be able to get back to you in a day or two, does that make sense ?

[4/8/14 3:52:50 PM] Travis: np

[4/8/14 3:52:58 PM] Xeovar: cool

[4/8/14 3:53:22 PM] Xeovar: you mentioned systems for beacons offices, any particular systems? what is the route you need to setup?

[4/8/14 3:53:30 PM] Travis: this will need to be worked out by sat ideall though as thats when we are having a leadership meeting

[4/8/14 3:53:38 PM] Travis: um i wouldnt know which systems as of yet

[4/8/14 3:53:55 PM] Xeovar: timing is perfect, we will be in position to negotiate until then

[4/8/14 3:54:52 PM] Xeovar: ok, would you mind giving up the systems in eso/ps you still control (minus what you need for strategic reasons)?

[4/8/14 3:55:03 PM] Xeovar: particularly dark. sov in c-p and ps ?

[4/8/14 3:55:05 PM] Xeovar: and x-7?

[4/8/14 3:55:22 PM] Xeovar: it would sit well if we could say we control all regions minus r64s

[4/8/14 3:55:28 PM] Xeovar: all two regions

[4/8/14 3:55:41 PM] Xeovar: plus it makes it easy to police

[4/8/14 3:56:32 PM] Travis: x-7 maybe not

[4/8/14 3:56:42 PM] Travis: c-p most likely

[4/8/14 3:56:57 PM] Travis: x-7 would just be for a logistics system

[4/8/14 3:57:05 PM] Xeovar: yeah makes sense

[4/8/14 3:57:21 PM] Travis: then maybe 1 more system so we have a stn is range of all of the moons

[4/8/14 3:57:36 PM] Xeovar: ok that would be somewhere in PS then...

[4/8/14 3:57:42 PM] Xeovar: maybe you want the -a- system ? :D

[4/8/14 3:58:07 PM] Xeovar: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/5AQ-5H

[4/8/14 3:58:49 PM] Travis: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/range/Avatar,5/X-7BIX

[4/8/14 3:59:42 PM] Travis: ya 5aq would work

[4/8/14 4:00:28 PM] Xeovar: yeah gives you coverage

[4/8/14 4:00:45 PM] Travis: ya 5aq and x-7 would be everything we need i think

[4/8/14 4:01:05 PM] Xeovar: alright, anything else in terms of your expectations?

[4/8/14 4:01:28 PM] Travis: well ill just say them again to make sure we are on the same page

[4/8/14 4:01:49 PM] Travis: we would take or have transfered to us all r64's in eso and paragon

[4/8/14 4:02:10 PM] Travis: we would take no more stain moons and give you rights to all remaining in stain that we do not currently own

[4/8/14 4:03:16 PM] Travis: we would keep x-7 and take 5aq for logistics purpose

[4/8/14 4:03:43 PM] Travis: if we could have 0suf or gq2 for getting into period that would own as well but not neccessary

[4/8/14 4:04:47 PM] Xeovar: cool that is all you want correct?

[4/8/14 4:05:23 PM] Travis: ya might try and change up 5aq for something within 2-3 jumps of the period basis entrance but can be flexible on that

[4/8/14 4:05:42 PM] Xeovar: can I relay this offer to other sov holders in Eso?

[4/8/14 4:06:36 PM] Travis: i guess

[4/8/14 4:06:52 PM] Travis: i was under te impression that all the osv holders were under your control

[4/8/14 4:07:02 PM] Travis: also no jammer in r64 systems if possible

[4/8/14 4:07:05 PM] Xeovar: mostly

[4/8/14 4:07:15 PM] Xeovar: its more like they are all dead jim ;)

[4/8/14 4:07:25 PM] Xeovar: and we are kindda like wtf O_o

[4/8/14 4:07:46 PM] Xeovar: this feeling when suddenly you realize everyone else kindda left...

[4/8/14 4:07:58 PM] Xeovar: and you are in the middle of the forest with your pants down

[4/8/14 4:08:12 PM] Travis: lol

[4/8/14 4:08:55 PM] Xeovar: http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs34/i/2008/295/d/1/funny_wallpaper_by_pmattiasp.jpg

[4/8/14 4:09:13 PM] Travis: positive outllook is best

[4/8/14 4:09:24 PM] Xeovar: well we love the situation

[4/8/14 4:09:30 PM] Xeovar: I mean pvp everywhere

[4/8/14 4:09:34 PM] Travis: ccc

[4/8/14 4:09:36 PM] Xeovar: havent had so much fun since 2008

[4/8/14 4:09:42 PM] Xeovar: no kiddin

[4/8/14 4:10:24 PM] Xeovar: ok Ill coordinate a response for you asap, so we can iron out details before your leadership meeting

[4/8/14 4:10:31 PM] Xeovar: I think I understand where we are

[4/8/14 4:10:39 PM] Travis: kk if you have any questiosn let me know

[4/8/14 4:10:50 PM] Xeovar: yeah, Ill shoot if there are any questions or issues

[4/8/14 4:10:52 PM] Travis: kk

[4/8/14 4:10:54 PM] Travis: o/

[4/8/14 4:10:57 PM] Xeovar: if you need anything likewise :)

[4/8/14 4:10:57 PM] Xeovar: o/

[4/11/14 2:24:47 PM] Travis: any word from your allies?

[4/11/14 2:32:58 PM] Xeovar: hi, sorry Im not really available atm, we got friends over ;)

[4/11/14 2:33:05 PM] Travis: np

[4/11/14 2:33:10 PM] Xeovar: but in brief we are interested in some arrangements

[4/11/14 2:33:20 PM] Xeovar: however we are trying to coordinate response with our allies

[4/11/14 2:33:38 PM] Xeovar: as we own really only small part of moons - we've been doing intense inventory since our last chat

[4/11/14 2:33:44 PM] Travis: ok

[4/11/14 2:33:51 PM] Xeovar: so we're not that relevant in the all matter

[4/11/14 2:34:13 PM] Xeovar: ex-dd seems to think they have arrangement with pl about eso/ps being left alone in exchange for their sov

[4/11/14 2:34:18 PM] Travis: we have been scanning every moon that has a tower on it over the past week so we will havea r64/CSAA list as well

[4/11/14 2:34:34 PM] Xeovar: and are engagend in talks with pl about that in context of our chat

[4/11/14 2:34:49 PM] Travis: we are not members o pandemic legion

[4/11/14 2:35:28 PM] Xeovar: our prime points do negotiate are certain concessions for moons in our primary constellation -as it would be really hard to prevent them being siphoned constatly, whouch would put a strain on our relationship

[4/11/14 2:36:05 PM] Xeovar: from our perspective you are coalition. if we have to negotiate with both of you separately that makes it a much more complicated

[4/11/14 2:36:18 PM] Travis: pl isnt a part of n3 coalition

[4/11/14 2:36:55 PM] Xeovar: is there a way to reach a joint agreement with you as you cooperate? otherwise it would be much better if we just sell all this shit to you

[4/11/14 2:37:10 PM] Travis: well thats what wea re trying to do

[4/11/14 2:37:24 PM] Travis: what is your main constellation?

[4/11/14 2:37:50 PM] Xeovar: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Esoteria/JSZ-X6

[4/11/14 2:38:04 PM] Xeovar: plus maybe http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Esoteria/A1-AUH

[4/11/14 2:38:19 PM] Travis: we could do without

[4/11/14 2:39:30 PM] Xeovar: afk

[4/11/14 2:39:36 PM] Xeovar: sry try to be back soon

[4/11/14 2:39:49 PM] Travis: np

[4/15/14 1:49:38 PM] Travis: please make a final decision as ours has already been made

[4/15/14 1:50:19 PM] Travis: you may keep stain moons in exhange for the transfer of all paragon eso moons within 96 hours

[4/16/14 4:00:23 PM] Xeovar: hi

[4/16/14 4:00:29 PM] Xeovar: thanks for patience and the offer

[4/16/14 4:01:00 PM] Xeovar: we have run thru all possible scenarios and the bottom line is that we dont see any possibility of formal and meaningful deal

[4/16/14 4:01:07 PM] Xeovar: the power differential is too big

[4/16/14 4:01:33 PM] Xeovar: we have issues with this deal's credibility

[4/16/14 4:01:41 PM] Travis: which parts

[4/16/14 4:01:45 PM] Xeovar: and it seems particularly targetted

[4/16/14 4:02:01 PM] Xeovar: at us only

[4/16/14 4:02:21 PM] Travis: as you getting the good part of the deal?

[4/16/14 4:02:34 PM] Travis: comapred to the others in eso/paragon

[4/16/14 4:02:36 PM] Xeovar: and tbfh if we were to make a deal with you, we'd be facing internal shitstorm of huge magnitude

[4/16/14 4:03:03 PM] Xeovar: well HD/STFU seems to believe they are not in danger from you

[4/16/14 4:03:19 PM] Xeovar: legio is not that relevant

[4/16/14 4:04:06 PM] Xeovar: altho they do hold moons

[4/16/14 4:04:09 PM] Travis: HD/stfu broke the nip

[4/16/14 4:04:25 PM] Xeovar: the biggest issue we got is that we really want to become independent

[4/16/14 4:04:29 PM] Travis: they were in solar fleets and attacked our owers

[4/16/14 4:04:46 PM] Xeovar: cfc blue was a huge annoyance especially with our history

[4/16/14 4:04:53 PM] Xeovar: now we got solars in our backyard

[4/16/14 4:05:01 PM] Xeovar: who technically are not interested in sov

[4/16/14 4:05:10 PM] Travis: well we would love to isolate soalr even more

[4/16/14 4:05:12 PM] Xeovar: yet looking for moons as well

[4/16/14 4:05:22 PM] Travis: i had a talk with lorianna lee

[4/16/14 4:05:30 PM] Xeovar: and new dd is very hard to talk to

[4/16/14 4:05:34 PM] Travis: he said that he was in cahrge of all rus

[4/16/14 4:05:39 PM] Travis: including coven

[4/16/14 4:05:46 PM] Xeovar: heh

[4/16/14 4:06:04 PM] Xeovar: lets say our relationship is not as it used to be

[4/16/14 4:06:11 PM] Travis: in a good or bad way?

[4/16/14 4:06:16 PM] Xeovar: our primary rus friends are in afterlife

[4/16/14 4:06:26 PM] Xeovar: cos newdd and solars are fkin carebears

[4/16/14 4:06:53 PM] Xeovar: and tbfh we'd rahter keep close with them than with the sf/hd/stfu team

[4/16/14 4:07:06 PM] Xeovar: which is really just a blob without direction

[4/16/14 4:07:16 PM] Travis: does faterlife hold sov?

[4/16/14 4:07:19 PM] Xeovar: all their command is in afterlife and is fed up with sov

[4/16/14 4:07:22 PM] Xeovar: no they fuck it

[4/16/14 4:07:29 PM] Xeovar: they are in bittervet/skirmish mode

[4/16/14 4:07:36 PM] Xeovar: expect them to drop anywhere tho

[4/16/14 4:08:27 PM] Xeovar: anyway, rather than a deal, we might have understanding

[4/16/14 4:08:46 PM] Xeovar: we have certain expectations how the next few days can look like

[4/16/14 4:08:51 PM] Xeovar: and we know what you want

[4/16/14 4:08:59 PM] Travis: you able to get on ts?

[4/16/14 4:09:11 PM] Xeovar: hmm lemme see

[4/16/14 4:09:17 PM] Xeovar: probably

[4/16/14 4:09:29 PM] Xeovar: maybe just skype ?

[4/16/14 4:09:30 PM] Travis: ts.ncdot.co.uk

[4/16/14 4:09:34 PM] Travis: ya that works

[4/16/14 4:09:41 PM] Travis: just call me whenever ready

[4/16/14 4:10:46 PM] Xeovar: need mike sec

[4/16/14 4:10:48 PM] Travis: also are you blue with solar stfu hd?

[4/16/14 4:14:06 PM] Xeovar: yes, we have kept -a-/dd/solars blue

[4/16/14 4:14:45 PM] Travis: any agreement would require a reset of solar -a- and any other sov holders in paragon/eso

[4/16/14 4:15:55 PM] Xeovar: I see

[4/16/14 4:16:02 PM] Xeovar: so you are grinding it all I guess then?

[4/16/14 4:16:16 PM] Travis: that is tbd still

[4/16/14 4:16:22 PM] Travis: if we can come to an agreement :)

[4/16/14 4:16:31 PM] Xeovar: :)

[4/16/14 4:16:59 PM] Travis: i cant make this decision for 100% sure

[4/16/14 4:17:07 PM] Travis: but if you reset those given above

[4/16/14 4:17:31 PM] Travis:  and do not interfere, we would mst liekly leave all coven towers in coven sov and coven sov alone

[4/17/14 4:49:33 PM] Xeovar: hi again

[4/17/14 4:49:54 PM] Xeovar: we had a round of dicussion about the offer

[4/17/14 4:50:16 PM] Xeovar: situation is very complicated and if we are to reach agreement it will be rather complex :)

[4/17/14 4:52:58 PM] Xeovar: basically we are on very proud position and any kind of requirements to "betray" our friends will be problematic, which particularly applies to dd and legio much less others

[4/17/14 4:53:19 PM] Xeovar: also any concessions that could be considered "payment" as in "becoming a pet" have to be avoided

[4/17/14 4:53:36 PM] Xeovar: additional complexity is that this is easter

[4/17/14 4:53:47 PM] Xeovar: so my availability until tuesday is gonna suck

[4/17/14 4:54:23 PM] Xeovar: another thing is our people are quite cocky after couple months rest from big fights and Im afraid they are gonna do sth stupid soon

[4/17/14 4:54:46 PM] Xeovar: they already forgotten the "fun" of long term sov engagements

[4/17/14 4:56:23 PM] Xeovar: the last aspect is your credibility, which also is doubted, as from DD perspective their deal was safe eso and ps for them and all of us in exchange for all other sov

[4/17/14 4:56:34 PM] Xeovar: and you broke it by requesting moons from us

[4/17/14 4:57:18 PM] Xeovar: so, I wont be surprised when you say fuck it when you see it all ;)

[4/17/14 5:29:46 PM] Travis: there was never an agreement between us and coven

[4/17/14 5:30:13 PM] Travis: only us and dd which they broke again shooting our r64's again

[4/17/14 11:03:30 PM] Travis: payment could be considered you keeping your main two constellations in eso

[4/18/14 1:18:43 AM] Xeovar: sry, went to bed last night.

[4/18/14 1:18:53 AM] Xeovar: There are quite a few things that need ironing

[4/18/14 1:19:51 AM] Xeovar: also the exact details of what you really want, because atm we are not sure - first you wanted passive income in form of moons (most of them), now you are taking some sov and you said things about us retaining things - but this needs more details, and this will probably be hardest topic

[4/18/14 1:20:58 AM] Xeovar: expectations on our side are high - basically our people said that for us to even consider non-intervention during your grind in eso we'd need to retain majority of our current assets - which is a tough ask, I realize

[4/18/14 7:09:53 AM] Travis: well if we dont make a deal we will be taking sov as well

[4/18/14 7:10:07 AM] Travis: thats why things change because you arent giving me answers

[4/18/14 7:35:54 AM] Travis: and would you be interested in selling moons if we cant reach an agreement

[4/19/14 3:19:37 AM] Xeovar: welll we are not sure what is exactly what you want. first you offer us to keep two regions for moons - which means we get to be your pets for 70% of our income....

[4/19/14 3:19:51 AM] Xeovar: now you say you want 70% of our income, plus some of our sov and all of our friends sov

[4/19/14 3:19:56 AM] Xeovar: doesnt sound like a deal

[4/19/14 3:20:01 AM] Xeovar: we are not interested in selling moons

[4/19/14 3:20:17 AM] Xeovar: if you want sov, we can sell you all of it for jita price of hardware

[4/19/14 3:20:26 AM] Xeovar: than it will include moons

[4/19/14 3:20:33 AM] Xeovar: *then

[4/19/14 3:21:00 AM] Xeovar: sorry for long reply cycles, Easter started and Im spending next 3 days with family

[4/19/14 3:21:10 AM] Xeovar: had to travel yesterday so was not available

[4/19/14 1:34:03 PM] Travis: if we bought the sov we would pay ihub and tcu cost for everything

[4/19/14 1:34:59 PM] Travis: would prob want third party, half up front maybe and the rest upon completiton and if coven doesnt interfere with us in paragon eso

[4/20/14 4:52:55 AM] Xeovar: thats the way it worked with pl last time, we used chribba, upon completion of transfers it was released

[4/20/14 4:53:24 AM] Xeovar: sorry for long replies, im getting overfed and drunken all the time

[4/20/14 4:53:26 AM] Xeovar: ;)

[4/20/14 4:53:28 AM] Xeovar: happy easter..

[4/20/14 9:13:25 AM] Travis: so the deal that we would want to make is transfer of all your sov and renter sov, invcluding moons for ihub and tcu cost, you keep the towers

[4/20/14 9:13:49 AM] Travis: it would need to be done in a good ammount of time, maybe 7-10 days

[4/20/14 9:14:35 AM] Travis: would pay 1/4 up front 1,4 on completetion

[4/20/14 9:15:16 AM] Travis: if there is no aggression from coven on ncdot towers or sov(including siphons) then 1/4 30 days after and the final 1/4th 60 days

[4/20/14 9:16:48 AM] Travis: we would agree to leave all c0ven assets in stain alone as well

[4/20/14 11:00:06 AM] Travis: buy you keeping towers its meant the control tower not the moon

[4/21/14 6:20:11 AM] Xeovar: Ill run it through our CEOs however the nonaggression part maybe disputable

[4/21/14 8:04:05 AM] Travis: lol you must be high

[4/21/14 8:04:31 AM] Travis: you think you can make a deal where you sell us something then immidiately try and take it back?

[4/22/14 3:15:54 AM] Xeovar: we are not interested in becoming your pets, allies, blues or anything.

[4/22/14 3:16:08 AM] Xeovar: if you wanted a nip, could have left eso/ps alone and you would have one

[4/22/14 3:16:18 AM] Xeovar: now its simply an economic dealing

[4/22/14 3:16:42 AM] Xeovar: do you want to pay jita price for all the hardware AND grind it AND haul it AND pay for fuel to do it AND have people place it

[4/22/14 3:16:48 AM] Xeovar: or do you just want to pay for it...

[4/22/14 7:38:45 AM] Travis: I would like to still look at paying for it but you can't sell your house and try to move back in the next day. I think selling your sov we nip your stain assets and you nip our ESo/paragon won't make you look like pets