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  1. [12:13:44 PM] Cani Lupine: The "dogfucker apologist" rumors are about 2 years old.
  2. [12:13:51 PM] Cani Lupine: I stupidly tried to reason with trolls.
  3. [12:14:21 PM] Cani Lupine: Basically, I got pulled into drama when I called out some random bitch on FA for a rude comment, and I was automatically a dogfucker by association.
  4. [12:14:38 PM] Norvé: lol
  5. [12:14:39 PM] Cani Lupine: They were going on about all sex with animals being rape, no matter what
  6. [12:14:53 PM] Cani Lupine: And I pointed out the fact that it's technically not rape if the animal is actively participating
  7. [12:15:01 PM] Norvé: well animals can't consent
  8. [12:15:10 PM] Cani Lupine: Actually, they can.
  9. [12:15:28 PM] Cani Lupine: Not in the way humans can, but they use body language to communicate.
  10. [12:15:30 PM] Norvé: there is no communication between human and animal to know what exactly is going on in either head
  11. [12:15:49 PM] Norvé: plus, honestly, you're inviting things like injury and disease
  12. [12:15:59 PM] Cani Lupine: That is true.
  13. [12:16:00 PM] Tango: As soon as I hear a dog say, "Yes, right in my pooper please!" then I'll believe an animal can consent.
  14. [12:16:13 PM] Norvé: that's kinda my stance on it
  15. [12:16:17 PM] Cani Lupine: According to that logic, a mute person cannot consent to sex either.
  16. [12:16:24 PM] Cani Lupine: So, that falls flat.
  17. [12:16:25 PM] Norvé: a mute person can write
  18. [12:16:32 PM] Norvé: also holy shit wind shut up
  19. [12:16:38 PM] Tango: ^
  20. [12:16:42 PM] Cani Lupine: You can consent to sex without the word "yes"
  21. [12:16:47 PM] Cani Lupine: It's called body language.
  22. [12:17:06 PM] Cani Lupine: Otherwise, any animal having sex with another animal would automatically be rape.
  23. [12:17:08 PM] Cani Lupine: Which, it isn't.
  24. [12:17:11 PM] Cani Lupine: So it doesn't work.
  25. [12:17:39 PM] Cani Lupine: Basically, that's the same logic I was refuting on FA that got me banned.
  26. [12:17:40 PM] Norvé: animals having sex with animals is a different ballgame
  27. [12:17:43 PM] Norvé: no pun intended
  28. [12:17:51 PM] Cani Lupine: I googled "dog fucks woman" and posted the first link.
  29. [12:18:00 PM] Cani Lupine: Apparently, posting to petsex.com isn't allowed lol;
  30. [12:18:22 PM] Cani Lupine: But there's interspecies mating in nature as well.
  31. [12:18:30 PM] Cani Lupine: The whole "informed consent" thing is purely human.
  32. [12:18:41 PM] Norvé: animals have a way with consenting to sex with other animals
  33. [12:18:46 PM] Norvé: humans are a different thing
  34. [12:18:47 PM | Edited 12:18:54 PM] Cani Lupine: Animals can, and do, provide consent to sex through body language.
  35. [12:19:02 PM] Norvé: that's with other animals
  36. [12:19:21 PM] Norvé: and, honestly, with animals a lot of things like m/m is a show of dominance rather than actual sex
  37. [12:19:33 PM] Cani Lupine: I'm pretty sure a dog being on top and humping away is a sure sign of consent.
  38. [12:19:38 PM] Norvé: if you let a dog fuck you in the ass to dominate you and then you try to be the owner it confuses the dog
  39. [12:19:42 PM] Cani Lupine: There's no refuting that.
  40. [12:20:06 PM] Jessica Evans: The instinct itself is a sign of a defective mind
  41. [12:20:08 PM] Norvé: a lot of dogs especially end up with fucked up behavioral problems because of that
  42. [12:20:18 PM] Jessica Evans: and even with "consent", harm could still result
  43. [12:20:30 PM] Norvé: yeah
  44. [12:20:30 PM] Jessica Evans: and we deny the consent argument for children and the mentally handicapped
  45. [12:20:38 PM] Jessica Evans: dogs are arguably even stupider
  46. [12:20:47 PM] Cani Lupine: I was 11 years old when I first had sex.
  47. [12:20:50 PM] Cani Lupine: It was fully consenting.
  48. [12:21:01 PM] Norvé: not under legal terms
  49. [12:21:16 PM] Norvé: iirc the lowest age of constent in the states is 16?
  50. [12:21:20 PM] Cani Lupine: I'm speaking biologically, not legally.
  51. [12:21:26 PM] Norvé: consent rather
  52. [12:21:45 PM] Jessica Evans: Biologically speaking, human beings have incredible difficulty understanding the long term consequences of their decisions until 21
  53. [12:21:45 PM] Cani Lupine: Animals have far more intelligence than people give credit for.
  54. [12:21:56 PM] Norvé: to a degree
  55. [12:22:26 PM] Norvé: they have intelligence in a different way
  56. [12:22:41 PM] Jessica Evans: so you're supporting both pederasty and bestiality?
  57. [12:22:44 PM] Jessica Evans: I just want to be clear
  58. [12:22:54 PM] Cani Lupine: No, I am not supporting it.
  59. [12:23:11 PM] Cani Lupine: I am saying the logic behind animal sex automatically being rape is false.
  60. [12:23:19 PM] Norvé: but regardless, when an animal can legally consent to things by speaking, signing a contract, etc like people can, then i will think otherwise
  61. [12:23:24 PM] Cani Lupine: Because there is direct evidence to the contrary.
  62. [12:23:33 PM] Jessica Evans: It depends on what you mean by rape
  63. [12:23:41 PM] Cani Lupine: Rape being forcible sex.
  64. [12:23:47 PM] Jessica Evans: if you think coercive sex and statutory rape are things, then it's rape
  65. [12:23:50 PM] Jessica Evans: and that's a narrow definition
  66. [12:24:06 PM] Jessica Evans: if your boss says "suck my dick or you're fired", is that rape or not?
  67. [12:24:09 PM] Norvé: rape is sex without consent
  68. [12:24:14 PM] Norvé: it doesn't have to necessarily be forced
  69. [12:24:19 PM] Cani Lupine: That's sexual harassment, not rape.
  70. [12:24:20 PM] Tango: *munches popcorn*
  71. [12:24:24 PM] Norvé: it can be coerced
  72. [12:24:30 PM] Norvé: and no, that's rape
  73. [12:24:46 PM] Norvé: sexual harassment is something else
  74. [12:25:05 PM] Cani Lupine: Regardless of legal definitions
  75. [12:25:15 PM] Cani Lupine: Animals do posess the intelligence to consent to sex.
  76. [12:25:21 PM] Norvé: with each other
  77. [12:25:27 PM] Jessica Evans: the legal definitions exist because of underlying philosophy, which has empirical basis in many cases
  78. [12:25:33 PM] Jessica Evans: you are ignoring that
  79. [12:26:01 PM] Cani Lupine: As I said before
  80. [12:26:09 PM] Cani Lupine: I am speaking in strictly biological terms.
  81. [12:26:11 PM] Cani Lupine: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dog+fucks+woman
  82. [12:26:19 PM] Cani Lupine: The facts are facts.
  83. [12:26:25 PM] Norvé: Norvé is on a school internet connection
  84. [12:26:32 PM] Jessica Evans: The existence of some facts does not preclude the existence of additional facts
  85. [12:26:37 PM] Norvé: ^
  86. [12:26:39 PM] Cani Lupine: Animals can, and do, consent to sex with humans in many cases.
  87. [12:26:46 PM] Cani Lupine: Whether it's right or not is a different debate.
  88. [12:26:55 PM] Norvé: animals who partake can also get injured
  89. [12:27:03 PM] Norvé: they can get people sick
  90. [12:27:13 PM] Jessica Evans: the consent does not have weight since the animals don't have the cognitive skills necessary for their decisions to be respected
  91. [12:27:23 PM] Norvé: yes
  92. [12:27:25 PM] Cani Lupine: Injury and disease are irrelevant, because they occur in consensual sex between humans as well.
  93. [12:27:38 PM] Jessica Evans: but human beings can understand the possibility of these things
  94. [12:27:41 PM] Jessica Evans: they know the risks
  95. [12:27:46 PM] Norvé: animals don't
  96. [12:28:01 PM] Jessica Evans: furthermore, with pets, the relationship is always coercive
  97. [12:28:05 PM] Jessica Evans: an animal requires you to feed and house it
  98. [12:28:06 PM] Cani Lupine: Again, "informed consent" is irrelevant and purely a human invention.
  99. [12:28:18 PM] Jessica Evans: is it rape to fuck a slave?
  100. [12:28:19 PM] Norvé: and, like i brought up before, it can result in really bad behavioral issues in animals
  101. [12:28:26 PM] Jessica Evans: because it's pretty close to the same relationship
  102. [12:28:32 PM] Jessica Evans: is it ethical to fuck your own child?
  103. [12:28:44 PM] Jessica Evans: that you're responsible for providing for, that can't live without your assistance?
  104. [12:28:46 PM] Cani Lupine: Again, ethics are a separate debate.
  105. [12:28:55 PM] Jessica Evans: no, they really aren't
  106. [12:28:56 PM] Cani Lupine: I'm speaking strictly on biological functions.
  107. [12:29:02 PM] Jessica Evans: stop using the word RAPE THEN
  108. [12:29:04 PM] Cani Lupine: I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself.
  109. [12:29:09 PM] Jessica Evans: You need to stop repeating yourself
  110. [12:29:13 PM] Jessica Evans: you need to engage with the conversation
  111. [12:29:20 PM] Norvé: ethics play just a big a part in the entire issue as biology
  112. [12:29:21 PM] Cani Lupine: You need to see the fallacy of your claims.
  113. [12:29:32 PM] Jessica Evans: There is no fallacy, you literally refuse to understand what words mean
  114. [12:29:43 PM] squirrel: rephrase then, is it *rape* to fuck your own child, if you get him/her to agree with the mechanics of it, even if he/she doesn't really understand what's going on?
  115. [12:30:00 PM] Cani Lupine: That is a separate topic.
  116. [12:30:04 PM] Jessica Evans: no, it isn't
  117. [12:30:05 PM] Norvé: lobutt!
  118. [12:30:13 PM] Cani Lupine: I'm speaking about humans and animals.
  119. [12:30:14 PM] Jessica Evans: is the brain not biological?
  120. [12:30:18 PM] Cani Lupine: Not humans and children.
  121. [12:30:23 PM] Jessica Evans: is the capacity for decision making not biological?
  122. [12:30:39 PM] Tango: brb
  123. [12:30:41 PM | Edited 12:30:43 PM] squirrel: you can't understand how there are important parallels here that you can't ignore if you want to be logically consistent?
  124. [12:30:46 PM] Norvé: considering that animals have the cognition of basically toddlers at best uh
  125. [12:30:49 PM] Cani Lupine: An animal posesses the mental intellect required to consent to sexual acts, even with partners outside their own species.
  126. [12:30:51 PM] Cani Lupine: Period.
  127. [12:31:05 PM] Jessica Evans: "period"
  128. [12:31:09 PM] Jessica Evans: way to address the arguments
  129. [12:31:09 PM] squirrel: your definitions of rape and consent are horribly outdated
  130. [12:31:20 PM] Jessica Evans: an assertion of fact does not make fact
  131. [12:31:27 PM] Cani Lupine: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dog+fucks+woman
  132. [12:31:32 PM] Norvé: [12:31 PM] squirrel:
  133.  
  134. <<< your definitions of rape and consent are horribly outdated
  135. [12:31:34 PM] Cani Lupine: Look for yourself.
  136. [12:31:37 PM] Jessica Evans: that is a dog fucking a woman, yes, I know
  137. [12:31:48 PM] Jessica Evans: there is more going on there than just the dog fucking the woman
  138. [12:31:48 PM] squirrel: smug links are not an argument
  139. [12:32:48 PM] Tango: Not only that but it's also an issue of consent verses instinct.
  140. [12:33:29 PM] Tango: And most of the time the animals in these videos and situations have been groomed after a while much like a child molester grooms a child.
  141. [12:33:46 PM] Norvé: animals are not equals
  142. [12:33:49 PM] Tango: ^
  143. [12:33:54 PM] Norvé: especially regarding legality
  144. [12:34:26 PM] Norvé: in a lot of cases a female animal only consents because, if she does not, she will get hurt
  145. [12:34:43 PM] Norvé: in a lot of cases rape is how animals procreate, eg ducks
  146. [12:35:10 PM] Norvé: a good example of the former is camels
  147. [12:35:21 PM] Tango: ^
  148. [12:35:29 PM] Tango: Cats are also a good example
  149. [12:35:30 PM] Norvé: if a male camel is denied by a female the male can possibly kill her
  150. [12:35:42 PM] Norvé: so consent flies right out the window
  151. [12:35:55 PM] Cani Lupine: As long as we're going by species, dolphins and primates are a perfect example of animals that have consenting sex for pleasre.
  152. [12:36:10 PM] Norvé: and they're considered the only ones outside of humans
  153. [12:36:47 PM] Cani Lupine: Nope.
  154. [12:36:51 PM] Cani Lupine: That's extremely outdated.
  155. [12:37:08 PM] Norvé: there is a possibility that pigs are on the list as well but that's about it
  156. [12:38:07 PM] Cani Lupine: Waaaaaay more than that.
  157. [12:38:12 PM] Cani Lupine: Do some research.
  158. [12:38:27 PM] Jessica Evans: It's not specifically relevant to our interests in the same way as it is to yours
  159. [12:38:35 PM] Norvé: update your definition of rape then?
  160. [12:38:42 PM] Norvé: it hasn't been that in a while
  161. [12:39:08 PM] Norvé: animals cannot legally consent to sign a contract, and this will fall under the same general category
  162. [12:39:16 PM] Norvé: just like how a child can't
  163. [12:39:29 PM] Norvé: or those with mental handicaps can't
  164. [12:39:41 PM] Norvé: or those who are shitfaced and passed out drunk can't
  165. [12:39:50 PM] Norvé: consent is a legal thing
  166. [12:40:03 PM] Norvé: that's why fucking a child is illegal
  167. [12:40:55 PM] Cani Lupine: Going by legal definitions, it's considered rape, but in a purely biological standpoint, it can be consentual.
  168. [12:41:12 PM] squirrel: rape isn't a biological concept
  169. [12:41:17 PM] Cani Lupine: But again, legal definitions are purely a human thing, and bestiality is legal in many places.
  170. [12:41:19 PM] Norvé: biology doesn't really matter in legality
  171. [12:41:51 PM] Norvé: and actually it's not necessarily legal
  172. [12:42:00 PM] Norvé: it's legal in that animal rape isn't a crime by itself
  173. [12:42:14 PM] Norvé: but generally you will be slapped with fines and jail time for animal abuse so
  174. [12:42:30 PM] Cani Lupine: Either way, I still stand by my conclusion that bestiality is not always "rape" in the classical sense.
  175. [12:42:31 PM] Jessica Evans: the logic underlying legal definitions is real
  176. [12:42:40 PM] Jessica Evans: the classical sense of rape is stupid
  177. [12:42:48 PM] Jessica Evans: you've set your goalposts at an arbitrary point
  178. [12:42:54 PM] Jessica Evans: that nobody respects anymore
  179. [12:43:02 PM] Norvé: rape is nonconsenting sex
  180. [12:43:09 PM] Tango: Just because a sheep butt feels nice between your legs don't make it right. You need jesus, son.
  181. [12:43:14 PM] Norvé: lol
  182. [12:43:19 PM] squirrel: if the classical sense of rape is "restrain with overpowering physical force so as to penetrate with your genitals" then you're using a shitty and outdated definition
  183. [12:43:27 PM] Norvé: ^
  184. [12:43:29 PM] Jessica Evans: ^
  185. [12:43:58 PM] Cani Lupine: [12:43 PM] Norvé:
  186.  
  187. <<< rape is nonconsenting sex
  188. [12:44:00 PM] Norvé: rape is also not a human-only thing
  189. [12:44:06 PM] Cani Lupine: That's the definition I use.
  190. [12:44:16 PM] Norvé: you previously used "forced"
  191. [12:44:21 PM] Norvé: it doesn't have to be forced
  192. [12:44:36 PM] Norvé: coersion rape is still rape
  193. [12:44:39 PM] Cani Lupine: Generally if one doesn't consent, they have to be forced into it.
  194. [12:44:45 PM] squirrel: and you're using a shitty definition of consent that de facto makes your definition of rape shitty as well
  195. [12:44:55 PM] Norvé: force implies physical means
  196. [12:45:36 PM] squirrel: and I have class in 15 minutes, so I can't waste any more time on this
  197. [12:45:44 PM] Norvé: you can be guilted into it as well as other means
  198. [12:45:46 PM] Norvé: and same
  199. [12:45:48 PM] squirrel: bye
  200. [12:45:48 PM] Norvé: i should get going
  201. [12:45:50 PM] Tango: By Lobar!
  202. [12:45:55 PM] Norvé: fucking lab exam
  203. [12:45:57 PM] Norvé: bbl
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