loftar spakes June 21st 2015

(17:32:31) <Rawrz> loftar =o! whats up with stuff
(17:34:15) <loftar> Currently writing a custom launcher to replace JNLP. :P
(17:34:22) <Rawrz> oh thank god
(17:34:28) <Rawrz> i hate jnlp
(17:34:44) <loftar> Not that I don't agree, but for what reasons? ^^
(17:34:53) <Rawrz> it takes a while to start the game from it
(17:34:58) <deus> you dont like auth
(17:35:23) <loftar> Well, I think that is fairly intrinsic to the idea of checking for updates to the game, though.
(17:35:29) <loftar> It's not like it takes many seconds, no?
(17:35:43) <Rawrz> i got an attention span of a gold fish cracker
(17:35:50) <Rawrz> and sometimes it feels it takes a bit of time to do so
(17:35:51) <deus> dayum
(17:36:25) <Rawrz> i can get checking for updates, but ive had games that launch from jnlp
(17:36:27) <loftar> I dunno. It took 10 seconds to launch Hafen now that I tested.
(17:36:28) <Rawrz> then checck for updates
(17:36:32) <loftar> Not like that isn't a little while, of course.
(17:36:45) <Rawrz> meh, im just not a fan of it =p
(17:36:47) <loftar> Well, yeah, I always thought that was a bit interesting about Wurm. ^^
(17:36:57) <loftar> Well yeah, me neither.
(17:37:00) <Rawrz> yeah, wurm was what i was referencing there haha
(17:37:03) <loftar> Primarily for three reasons.
(17:37:16) <loftar> Partly and mostly because of the protection racket they've now added to it.
(17:37:31) <loftar> Partly because of lol we dont display how fast the downloads are.
(17:37:45) <loftar> Are there 10 seconds or 10 hours left of the download, who knows?
(17:37:59) <Rawrz> also, the java security warnings are a pain
(17:38:06) <loftar> And then partly also because of the cache implementation that sucks.
(17:38:15) <loftar> Yes, that's what I meant by the protection racket.
(17:38:18) <Rawrz> ah, that cache issue
(17:38:31) <Rawrz> well, i agree with all yours points
(17:38:34) <loftar> It used to be fine with a self-signed cert, but now I have to pay for a "trusted" certificate. :P
(17:38:38) <Rawrz> haha
(17:38:43) <Rawrz> how much do they charge for that
(17:38:51) <loftar> Not too much, but it's not the money. :)
(17:38:57) <Rawrz> out of curiosity, not impeding on principles
(17:38:57) <Rawrz> :P
(17:39:09) <loftar> I don't really remember right now...
(17:39:35) <loftar> GoDaddy seems to charge $200/year.
(17:39:45) <Rawrz> oh lord
(17:39:46) <Rawrz> too much
(17:40:05) <loftar> Sure, it's not free, but it's not like we couldn't pay it if we wanted to.
(17:40:12) <loftar> If it were actually a good thing.
(17:40:26) <Rawrz> not worth it
(17:40:32) <Rawrz> a custom launcher would be cooler anyways
(17:40:41) <loftar> Not just not worth it, I consider it negative value. ¦]
(17:40:48) <Rawrz> haha
(17:41:16) <Rawrz> might be able to cut down on a few techinical issue postings
(17:41:17) <Rawrz> =p
(17:41:24) <loftar> Yeah, that's what I hope.
(17:41:41) <loftar> And the fun thing is that browsers don't seem to warn more for launching a Jar than for launching a JNLP file anyway. ^^
(17:41:48) <Rawrz> haha
(17:41:56) <loftar> Which is how I had planned to distribute the launcher.
(17:42:06) <Rawrz> well, chrome warns against jars at least
(17:42:18) <loftar> Yeah, but it warns for JNLP files as well.
(17:42:23) <Rawrz> maybe
(17:42:35) <Rawrz> i havent downloaded a jnlp in a while
(17:43:17) <Rawrz> you benefit more from a launcher anyways
(17:43:23) <Rawrz> all the cool things you can add
(17:44:02) <loftar> Haha, I'm not sure what kind of "cool things" we'd like in a launcher, admittedly. :)
(17:44:14) <loftar> But I figure Jorb will surely want to draw a custom progress bar, at least. ^^
(17:44:49) <Rawrz> patch notes maybe? =p
(17:44:56) <Rawrz> ability to control full screen or not?
(17:44:58) <Alg> Patch..notes?
(17:44:59) <Alg> Hahaha
(17:45:00) <Rawrz> a few custom settings
(17:45:09) <Rawrz> oh right, patch notes
(17:45:18) <Rawrz> those don't exist
(17:45:55) <loftar> Ability to control fullscreen is already in the client, so I don't see why that should be in the launcher.
(17:46:16) <Rawrz> fair enough
(17:46:21) <loftar> And, well, basically I don't see what I'd want to put in the launcher that shouldn't be in the client instead.
(17:46:26) <deus> borderless?
(17:46:32) <loftar> I'd like for the launcher to just be as out-of-the-way as possible.
(17:47:22) <Rawrz> right right
(17:50:33) <loftar> Well, I'm trying to write it to be somewhat generic.
(17:50:42) <loftar> Not Haven-centric, that is; so that it could be used for other projects as well.
(17:50:49) <Rawrz> sounds like what i'd do
(17:50:59) <Rawrz> not because i'd have plans to use it for other stuff
(17:50:59) <loftar> In a way, I guess you could call it a JNLP replacement rather than a Haven launcher.
(17:51:04) <Rawrz> but because i'd have a lack of ideas
(17:52:40) <Rawrz> someone is going around claiming that inner party people are testing hafen now ;)
(17:53:12) <loftar> I'm sure there's much going around. ^^
(17:53:15) <Rawrz> been getting a few messages on skype asking me about it since some people think im inner party
(17:53:31) <Rawrz> which begs the question, where is my inner party invite!
(17:53:34) <Alg> Hes not denying it!
(17:53:48) <loftar> Noone except me and Jorb are playing Hafen. :)
(17:53:57) <Rawrz> i figure that much =p
(17:54:17) <Rawrz> im here to debate me bot being inner party
(17:54:22) <Rawrz> not*
(17:55:15) <loftar> Well, don't take that with me. I consider the party to be Jorb's thing. :)
(18:01:02) <Rawrz> got any spectacularly new screen shots you could share =o?
(18:04:07) <loftar> lol, calm down, young'un. ^^
(18:04:17) <loftar> There's only two months left. ^^