CURRENT centaursTribulation [CCT] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CCT: shit I have no motivation right now
CCT: can't even play a video game
CURRENT frozenMeatpopsicle [CFM] RIGHT NOW responded to memo.
CFM: ah
CFM: odd days those ones
CCT: can't draw, can't program
CCT: man I can't wait to get a better laptop
CCT: it should make all of those things less of a hassle, heh
CCT: it'll be fun to throw pc games up on my big tv in my living room
CFM: yes, it is pretty glorious
CCT: I'd love to play legend of grimrock but need a new laptop
CFM: played wind waker in full 1080p on a 56inch plasma
CCT: oh shit yeah, that emulator
CFM: shit looks unreal
CCT: lets see. this paycheck will mostly get chewed up by expenses
CCT: maybe I'll start shopping in two more weeks
CFM: hmm
CFM: homestrife should look real nice on a big screen
CCT: yeah, it'll help with development too
CCT: a computer that can actually process
CFM: better than most 360/ps3 games, in that the resolution will actually be 1080
CCT: I like our "do computers until next gen" plan
CCT: it is good plan
CFM: indeed
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CFM: with the trouble skullgirls had squeezing into the hardware limitations, it'd be porbably more difficult for us
CCT: yeah
CFM: so whats your take on jack?
CFM: referencing the ot thread
CCT: he's a teleporting furry
CFM: well, chyea...
CCT: I dunno I'm not super excited about him
CFM: fair enough
CCT: green sun meter sounds cool though
CFM: yea, i cant remember who come up with it
CFM: either way i think it fits perfectly
CCT: somebody talked about potential mobility disparity between characters
CCT: that is something we need to be careful of. but I don't think we have anybody ultra-slow
CCT: so hopefully it won't be an isssue
CFM: yea, shouldnt be
CCT: slowest character is equius and/or gamzee
CFM: yea, and even then not that far below average
CCT: but equius isn't SLOW slow and gamzee is going to be a weird teleporter so technically not slow
CFM: wheel!tavros would probably be slow
CCT: unless we gave him the rocket chair
CFM: i can kinda see aradia being on the slow side as well, but i dunno
CCT: I kinda feel like the characters are reflecting their earlier times in sburb
CCT: which would mean tavros would be crippled
CFM: most will be, yes
CFM: most of the trolls didnt really change much from the start of their session anyway
CCT: of course going by this logic, aradia is kinda fiddly. since the moment she became a robot, she mauled vriska, who then went god tier
CCT: and our vriska for this game isn't god tier
CCT: so its like we're reflecting one very small slice of time, heh
CFM: yea, that was the probelm with vriska
CFM: i think we made the right choice though
CCT: yeah me too
CCT: the charactesr are better for it
CCT: like with john we were getting kinda torn in two directions when we were making him god tier
CFM: just didnt make sense to have her temporarily turn god tier, then ancesteral awakening screwed everything up
CFM: yea
CCT: like we couldn't decide between goofy physical shenanigans, and wind powers
CFM: yea, its much better design wise to separate god tier to separate characters
CCT: yeah. god tier john in my head is way different nw
CCT: now*
CFM: definitely
CFM: vriska is the only tricky one in that apart from her complete control of luck, she didnt change much at all
CCT: yeah
CCT: of course, she kinda lost some of that control I think
CFM: i imagine rose dave and jade will be quite different too
CFM: oh?
CCT: well, she doesn't have the luck steal anymore
CFM: oh, yea, thought you meant in the comic
CCT: so she can't just grab meter whenever, or put weird "bad luck" debuffs on people
CFM: yea, all she lost was that and the god tier transformation
CFM: ffo*
CCT: I think a god tier version of her now, would have a lot more selective control over her chance-based attacks
CCT: to the point where they're barely even chance based
CCT: she just flat-out spends meter to do what she wants
CFM: yea, a lot more dice based stuff
CFM: as in, more variety in weapons since she can summon whatever she wants
CCT: like, you do the dice special, and then do a second input to pick whatever you want, assuming you have the meter for it
CCT: fuck I don't even know what rose and dave would be like
CCT: jade at least we can imagine some serious spacial control
CFM: i see god tier vriska like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/BwdYeti/Homestrife/Anim%20Plans/Vriskanormals-2.gif
CFM: i see rose being a lot like terezi at the moment
CFM: but with magic
CCT: oh I see
CCT: yeah that is pretty cool
CFM: dave i see abusing the hell out of time clones
CCT: also yeah I can't think of what else to do with rose
CFM: jade will probably be similar to jack i guess
CCT: yeah
CCT: then there's aradia. she's just have huge control over immediate time
CCT: speeding up, slowing down, and freezing
CFM: im seeing her as a support kind of character
CFM: yea
CCT: ... reversing?
CCT: that'd be funny
CFM: lots of time stasus
CCT: yeah. basically more of what the Fear No Anvil hints at
CFM: that would be, though somewhat tricky to program
CCT: indeed. I'd have to save previous states and shit
CCT: for everyone at all times
CFM: yea
CFM: a lot of data to track
CFM: be worse online
CCT: maybe she just rewinds herself
CCT: I dunno
CFM: if you're adding replays as a feature, the stuff would be there already
CCT: even in games with replays you typically can't rewind
CFM: true, but that data would be there
CCT: all it really does is run through a series of input commands
CFM: oh right, hmm
CFM: yea, while it would be cool, i think reversing time is probably too much of a hassle to implement at this point
CCT: well, we are talking about a far future point here
CCT: since this is god tier and all
CFM: yea, of course
CFM: but even still, i think the core would have to be there to begin with
CCT: well, one thing to consider
CCT: I've been recently thinking about how I might have to implement scripting
CCT: considering all the weird things every individual attack and projectile might do
CCT: and the fact that I want all of this to be designable through an editor
CFM: true
CFM: but something as complex as recording all movement/frame data and then reversing it?
CCT: yeah I dunno
CCT: so today I was throwing down the groundwork for attack/hurtboxes
CFM: cool
CCT: for some reason I'm putting it in physics objects, when I could just as easily put it in terrain objects (which physics objects inherit from)
CCT: meaning terrain objects could easily do or take damage
CCT: which is completely separate from doing actual physics
CAP: spiked floor.
CCT: yeah, of course
CCT: I mean I know we'll need to have stage hazards
CCT: I was kinda thinking maybe they'd just be physics objects that count as terrain but that's dumb
CCT: I was tying up physics and attacks in my head earlier, I guess
CFM: wouldnt it just be neater if hit/hurt boxes were separate from terrain boxes since theres not reall physical collisions involved?
CCT: well they are
CFM: i know collisions still need to be calculated, what i mean is that they dont react physically, ie, not bouncing off each other etc
CCT: yeah that's the idea already
CCT: nevermind I'm just saying confusing things
CCT: one thing I will say though
CFM: what you mean is adding a terrain flag that would start calculating the physicalness of the box?
CCT: what?
CCT: oh, yeah
CCT: right now I have a flag on terrain and physics objects that determines whether or not it counts as terrain
CFM: ah k
CFM: that makes sense
CFM: just a single multi purpose box
CCT: if its true, then it doesn't move or have physics interactions
CCT: its like
CCT: both terrain and non terrain objects have terrain boxes
CCT: the flag determines how they're used
CCT: if its terrain, it passively sits there
CFM: yea
CCT: if its not terrain, it does collision detection between its own terrain boxes, and the terrain boxes of terrain-flagged objects
CFM: what about something like one way, or possibly destructable boxes?
CCT: well we need one-way terrain to have jump-through platforms, so that's a must
CCT: but yeah, I'm thinking I'll just ditch the terrain flag
CCT: and have it so terrain objects are always counted as terrain and non-terrain objects always aren't
CFM: k
CCT: and then make it so terrain can have attack and hurt boxes
CFM: one little nuance i want to bring up regarding that
CCT: which means it can do damage, or be damaged (and destroyed)
CFM: single direction hitboxes
CCT: what would that be
CFM: for instance, spikes only damaging if you actually landing on them
CCT: oh. well that could simply check if your airborn or not
CFM: ie. hitting the actual pointy bits
CCT: yeah I get what you mean
CCT: but honestly that feels like more fidelity than a fighting game needs
CFM: i think i came up with a solution while typing that anyway
CFM: give spikes a regular terrain box, then adding a smaller damage box at the tip of the spikes
CCT: oh, so you just can't move through them from the sides
CCT: yeah in that case that would word
CCT: work
CFM: always bugs me when you hit spikes from the side but clearly should not be taking damage
CFM: but yea
CCT: heh
CCT: so, like sonic the hedgehog spikes
CFM: yea
CAP: or I wanna be the guy.
CCT: there's something in IWBTG that doesn't kill you?
CCT: heavens
CAP: there are plenty of safe things. like the ground, the air, and... um... uh...
CFM: i imagine the ground isnt always safe either
CCT: I'm pretty certain it isn't
CAP: there is actually no point in which the ground directally kills you.
CAP: there are a few cases where the ground will move to reveal spikes, but thats about it.
CCT: it never rises up and smashes you?
CAP: never.
CCT: surprising
CAP: I know.
CFM: something has done that though, i guess just no iwbtg
CAP: Going back to homestrife, will there be scratch damage?
CCT: doc scratch won't be playable
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CCT: but yes I believe there will be
CCT: though one caveat I'd like to implement is that it can't KO
CAP: then a possible idea: have terezi take less scratch damage than other players.
CCT: so if you block you can't get knocked below 1 point of health
CCT: and no I don't think we'll do that
CCT: its too weirdly out of the ordinary, system-wise
CAP: understandable.
CCT: unless we were to vary the amount of shave damage from character to character
CCT: which I don't think we'll be doing
CAP: although it always seems weird when everyone takes the same scratch damage, even when one is using their arms and another is using a shield.
CCT: though it is kind of an interesting idea. like, it'd make sense that, say, equius would take more shave damage since he doesn't have a weapon or energy barrier or whatever else to defend with
CCT: it'd definitely make certain characters feel more "naked" than others
CCT: maybe its something to consider. could add in some interesting balancing considerations
CCT: and encourange dodging/reversals/counters/super armor even more
CCT: "best defense is a good offense" and all that
CAP: it would certainly help force equius players to stay on the offencive.
CCT: well, equius is also all about taking hits and not giving a shit
CCT: he'd have the health to offset it
CCT: another character without much to block with would be Nepeta
CCT: maybe also rose, sollux, and aradia assuming they can't just put up some kind of magic/psychic barrier
CCT: maybe jade and eridan since blocking with a gun is kinda weird
CCT: oh and vriska
CAP: aradia would probably take low damage as she's made of metal though.
CCT: or just have plenty of health
CCT: there's not really raw "defense" in this game
CCT: just more or less health
CAP: I was talking about scratch damage.
CAP: but aradia having more health does make sense.
CCT: well, technically you're still hitting her body just the same as if she wasn't blocking
CCT: so I'd say she'd take more scratch damage
CCT: but have health to offset it
CAP: tav might take more, as blocking with a lance while sitting down sounds rather awkward.
CCT: heh, probably
CCT: a lance is a pretty shitty weapon really
CAP: quite.
CFM: hmm
CFM: one thing i will say: dont count scratch out as a playable character
CCT: I kinda imagine a balanced version of him just doing the fisticuffs thing he did to Spades
CCT: almost like a classic SF shoto character
CFM: id also say hed be the slowest character
CFM: but yea, we might round the roster to an even number
CFM: and if any character is gonna be added, itll be scratch or hussie himself
CFM: big ifs at the moment though
CCT: why would scratch be slow?
CFM: hes got all the time in the world, so for some reason i imagine him just casually strolling around
CAP: It's hard to imagine scratch running.
CCT: yeah, its kinda like gamzee
CCT: I guess he'd be Slayer, lol
CCT: slayer is to this day the classiest fighting game character
CCT: sorry dudley
CFM: ah, him
CFM: i knew he was from guilty gear, just couldnt put a face
CCT: he even has a classy theme
CCT: but yeah ever since he beat the shit out of Spades, I kinda imagine him being the only character with a really CLASSIC shoryuken
CCT: rising uppercut
CCT: wreathed in green flame
CFM: yea
CCT: thing is, would he teleport or something? he need some way to be mobile
CFM: even though he only did a regular uppercut, i can definitely see him doing a rising one
CCT: kinda feel like thats getting reduntant with gamzee though
CFM: he is definitely known for teleporting
CCT: slow guy with teleport dashes
CFM: but itd be a move as well
CFM: he have flash step and a teleport move
CFM: or maybe not have a dash at all, that would be different