17:13 - Paddon: I may have a game idea
17:13 - NovaCrusade: Plagiarism: The game?
17:13 - Paddon: xD Yes.
17:13 - Paddon: But NO.
17:13 - NovaCrusade: xD
17:13 - Paddon: I'm thinking maybe
17:13 - Paddon: a side-on FTL type game, but the ship v ship combat is like ironcast
17:14 - Paddon: But you can also board the enemy ship and it'll turn into a sort of side-on shooter
17:14 - Paddon: You'd have like 4 or so NPCs you can command
17:14 - NovaCrusade: hmmm
17:15 - NovaCrusade: so for the ships, would they be customizable a la ironcast, or more like ftl where you choose a ship
17:15 - Paddon: Maybe a bit of both?
17:15 - NovaCrusade: and the crew side-on action would be neat, pitting two teams of each race and their advantages/disadvantages against eachother to see who wins in a boarding battle
17:15 - Paddon: Maybe in late development the ships could be modular
17:15 - Paddon: Yeah
17:15 - Paddon: and tactics like
17:15 - Paddon: A friendly, NPC that you've grown attached to gets shot
17:16 - NovaCrusade: its almost like battalion wars for the GBA in that sense
17:16 - Paddon: So you tell your other NPCs to guard him with riot shields or something
17:16 - Paddon: While a medic patches him up
17:16 - Paddon: or carries him back
17:16 - NovaCrusade: mm
17:17 - NovaCrusade: would this be art styled in the sense of gunpoint, or more of a java type thing with ragdoll physics; kinda akin to happy wheels without the dismemberment
17:17 - Paddon: If possible, gunpoint
17:17 - Paddon: I did love their art style
17:17 - Paddon: Didn't really consider ragdolls
17:17 - NovaCrusade: sprites are much more managable compared to gemetric ragdolls
17:17 - Paddon: I don't think i'll have them if there's a medic system
17:17 - NovaCrusade: yeh
17:17 - Paddon: Think it could be do-able?
17:18 - NovaCrusade: so far, yeah. there's lots of coding ahead though
17:18 - Paddon: I was thinking of a ship-layout like starbound does
17:18 - Paddon: it*
17:18 - NovaCrusade: ah. yeah. ooh! and I got maybe a layout idea for that
17:18 - NovaCrusade: you know on ironcast for the battles
17:18 - Paddon: Cool
17:18 - Paddon: Yeah?
17:19 - NovaCrusade: where theres a mech on the left and right... what if during the boarding transition it like pans to the left or right to show the whole ship, compared to just the front during battles?
17:19 - Paddon: Yeah!
17:19 - Paddon: With an armoury at the back
17:19 - NovaCrusade: yeah, exactly
17:19 - Paddon: Not sure how the boarding would work though
17:20 - NovaCrusade: that way the battle is on one screen, but extends during that part.
17:19 - Paddon: Like, what would trigger it
17:20 - Paddon: Maybe your ship or the enemy ship having a tractor beam that takes a while to charge
17:20 - Paddon: Ooh
17:20 - NovaCrusade: I was thinking either: A. take down all the ships weapons; obviously you wouldnt be hitting the thrusters from the front
17:20 - Paddon: And maybe you could get some expensive equipment like demo charges that you could plant on the bridge that comes across
17:20 - Paddon: and sever the link
17:20 - Paddon: If you didnt want to risk your people
17:21 - NovaCrusade: ooh! yeah like an NPC ability or such
17:20 - Paddon: Yeah :D
17:21 - Paddon: Thinking about it... it shouldn't be that hard should it..
17:21 - Paddon: I mean, a lot of coding for the AI and RNG and stuff
17:21 - Paddon: but in terms of the battles.. not as much
17:21 - NovaCrusade: so far it doesnt seem like it. It'd just be coding for the events that happen, if they are available
17:21 - Paddon: I'd need to think of some semi-original minigame to determine how well you do
17:21 - Paddon: but I don't really want to copy Ironcast's
17:22 - NovaCrusade: yeah, i dont think that form of minigame would roll well with your concept
17:22 - Paddon: I wonder if I could do that bridge minigame but more bridges come down as if it's a match 3 game
17:22 - Paddon: And your systems are on the other side
17:22 - Paddon: and you need to match them up to power them
17:22 - NovaCrusade: hmm
17:22 - Paddon: So it would be quite based on skill
17:23 - Paddon: and you could upgrade the power distributor or something to increase your chances in it
17:23 - NovaCrusade: yeah either this could be skill based, or RNG based dependant on NPC skill
17:23 - Paddon: Not sure what i'd do with the NPCs
17:23 - Paddon: I guess RNG
17:23 - NovaCrusade: but the latter would be more of a ftl knock off
17:23 - Paddon: Based on their skills
17:24 - NovaCrusade: race would determine skills too, as well as base rng for point allocation
17:24 - NovaCrusade: within a range
17:24 - NovaCrusade: unless you plan on it just being humans
17:24 - Paddon: Yeah
17:24 - Paddon: At first, I should probably stick with humans
17:24 - NovaCrusade: if its just humans it can be class based rng
17:24 - Paddon: to make it easier
17:24 - NovaCrusade: yeh
17:24 - Paddon: So first things first
17:25 - Paddon: Draw a basic ship layout and get the platforming working
17:25 - NovaCrusade: yerp
17:25 - NovaCrusade: also, keep in mind what you'll do for the minigame that determines combat. that's the main part of the game, so it's going to have to be polished.
17:25 - NovaCrusade: in this case, that's where the original gameplay concept comes it
17:25 - NovaCrusade: in*
17:25 - Paddon: Yeah
17:26 - NovaCrusade: otherwise it's just coding to get basic stuff working
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22:05 - Paddon: I kind of want to make it top down now xD
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22:05 - Paddon: But then it'll be too much like FTL-
22:06 - NovaCrusade: depends on your own artistic vision, really.
22:06 - Paddon: Do you mean the graphics?
22:07 - NovaCrusade: graphics can be the same top down or side scrolling
22:07 - NovaCrusade: it really depends on if you want the ships to be more like ftl or starbound in essence
22:07 - Paddon: Yeah
22:14 - Paddon: ts?
22:14 - NovaCrusade: after supper if that's alright
22:15 - NovaCrusade: should be done in 15
22:15 - Paddon: Actually, Greg doesnt seem like he'll be on much longer
22:15 - Paddon: If we're still playing though, sure
22:15 - NovaCrusade: playing what now?
22:15 - NovaCrusade: oh
22:15 - Paddon: Oh yeah.
22:15 - Paddon: Dying light. xD
22:15 - NovaCrusade: I still need to make a hardmode character
22:15 - NovaCrusade: been doing other stuff
22:19 - Paddon: ah
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22:44 - NovaCrusade: alright, whats the current status of how long we have to play?
22:44 - Paddon: Not sure
22:44 - Paddon: Good, maybe xD
22:45 - NovaCrusade: x) sorry, I meant how long do you think we've got
22:45 - NovaCrusade: but good works too. :P
22:45 - Paddon: No idea
22:47 - Paddon: Greg said he's probably not going to be on much longe
22:47 - Paddon: r.
22:47 - NovaCrusade: dang.
22:58 - NovaCrusade: im going to quick do a quiz that my professor finally put up, so I'll be quiet for a good 30 minutes here
22:58 - NovaCrusade: afterwards, I could do elite if you want. I need to make it to your alliance system, but beforehand I need my railguns back
22:58 - Paddon: Ok
22:58 - Paddon: Sure
23:31 - NovaCrusade: done with that. you still going to be on ts?
23:31 - Paddon: Think i'll boot up elite after midnight
23:31 - NovaCrusade: oh. right. its 5 hours before here now
23:55 - Paddon: I wonder
23:55 - Paddon: in the whole boarding part
23:55 - Paddon: I wonder how a lane based minigame would go
23:55 - NovaCrusade: lane?
23:55 - Paddon: Yeah, like 3 lanes
23:55 - Paddon: and you deploy your stuff down those lanes
23:55 - NovaCrusade: oh
23:55 - NovaCrusade: hm.
23:55 - Paddon: Like ironclad
23:56 - NovaCrusade: so like
23:56 - NovaCrusade: the match the thingy minigame
23:56 - Paddon: Nono
23:56 - Paddon: that's ironcast or something
23:57 - NovaCrusade: oh
23:57 - NovaCrusade: OH
23:57 - NovaCrusade: ironclad tactics?
23:57 - Paddon: Yup!
23:57 - Paddon: If you don't have that many crew members, you could send out battle droids or something
23:57 - NovaCrusade: hmm
23:57 - NovaCrusade: well, tbh, if you dont have many crew members, yer basically screwed. :P
23:57 - NovaCrusade: just like ftl
23:57 - Paddon: Humans could be like a glass cannon in which they could maneuver / use special equipment
23:57 - Paddon: but are weaker
23:58 - Paddon: High risk high reward type of thing
23:58 - NovaCrusade: while the bots were just place holders?
23:58 - Paddon: Sort of
23:58 - NovaCrusade: kinda like the boarding bot on ftl, but sending it over?
23:58 - Paddon: Kind of yeah. Though with some customization
23:58 - NovaCrusade: yeah
23:58 - NovaCrusade: whatd be better is if you could specialize in that for a skill
23:58 - Paddon: Just not as... what's the word
23:58 - Paddon: adaptable
23:58 - Paddon: as humans
23:59 - NovaCrusade: yeah
23:59 - NovaCrusade: humans would have classes for boarding ops
23:59 - NovaCrusade: while bots are one class
23:59 - Paddon: Yeah
23:59 - NovaCrusade: but with upgrades or whatnot
23:59 - Paddon: I was thinking when the boarding bridge goes across
23:59 - NovaCrusade: either i'd make that a skill or a permanent feature. not sure.
23:59 - Paddon: Cover would like come out of slots
23:59 - Paddon: and lay the battle
23:59 - NovaCrusade: yeah
23:59 - NovaCrusade: kinda like warframe's popup panels
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00:02 - Paddon: Did I miss anything
00:02 - NovaCrusade: where you have bots to upgrade as combat companions in place of specialized crew members
00:02 - NovaCrusade: naw, just what I typed now
00:02 - Paddon: Yeah
00:02 - NovaCrusade: I think bots would be great, yeah.
00:03 - Paddon: Cool
00:04 - NovaCrusade: id totally be the person to have bots in place of people and upgrade them.
00:04 - NovaCrusade: sounds like a solid game idea so far
00:04 - Paddon: Would be cool if you could have like
00:04 - Paddon: tank tracks for the bottom half of a certain bot
00:04 - Paddon: that is like a shield projector
00:05 - NovaCrusade: yeh
00:05 - Paddon: So you could stick a human behind him or something
00:05 - NovaCrusade: like mobile cover!
00:05 - Paddon: Yup!
00:05 - NovaCrusade: that'd definitely be an advantageous thing to have
00:05 - Paddon: Not sure how it would get past the cover though
00:05 - Paddon: Maybe that could be a disadvantage
00:05 - NovaCrusade: it just wouldnt pop up on that lane
00:06 - NovaCrusade: but it'd move slower than you  might be able to go from cover to cover
00:08 - Paddon: Well, it would be up to the player where he deploys what
00:09 - Paddon: but yeah, sounds good
00:09 - NovaCrusade: yeah, cuz in that case you choose to deploy that bot
00:09 - NovaCrusade: in place of manual cover
00:09 - Paddon: Ah yeah
00:09 - Paddon: Also
00:09 - Paddon: I wonder what should happen if a bot gets to the end
00:09 - Paddon: you win? Or they lose a crewman or something
00:10 - Paddon: That would be interesting
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00:10 - Paddon: Every enemy that gets into your side of the ship causes pain to you. xD
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00:10 - Paddon: Maybe you could buy a turret so that it reduces the damage to your people
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00:11 - NovaCrusade: stupid steam
00:11 - Paddon: 00:09 - Paddon: I wonder what should happen if a bot gets to the end
00:09 - Paddon: you win? Or they lose a crewman or something
00:10 - Paddon: That would be interesting
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00:10 - Paddon: Every enemy that gets into your side of the ship causes pain to you. xD
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00:10 - Paddon: Maybe you could buy a turret so that it reduces the damage to your people
00:11 - Paddon: If you missed it :P
00:12 - NovaCrusade: I did!
00:13 - NovaCrusade: if a bot would get to the end of one lane, yeah I'd have that lane's crewman die. like a superbattle droid to a clonetrooper.
00:13 - NovaCrusade: I'm not sure what after though; damage to the ship? cross lane combat?
00:14 - NovaCrusade: obviously as a crew you're trying to either clear or capture the enemy ship
00:17 - Paddon: Maybe
00:17 - Paddon: it's up to chance if they injured a crewman
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00:22 - Paddon: Damn steam
00:22 - Paddon: Yeah, maybe the player chooses whether he wants to kill/capture/destroy
00:22 - Paddon: destroy being the easiest chance
00:22 - Paddon: and they'd go offscreen and noises will tell you how the attack went
00:23 - NovaCrusade: yeah
00:23 - NovaCrusade: and then otherwise its determined by traps if one specialized in skill
00:23 - NovaCrusade: such as turrets or whatnot
00:23 - NovaCrusade: so MOAR rng
00:23 - Paddon: xD
00:23 - Paddon: But as always, it's dependant mostly on skills of the crew
00:24 - NovaCrusade: yeah
00:24 - NovaCrusade: thus why bots are a bit of a disadvantage
00:24 - Paddon: Yeah
00:24 - Paddon: I was also thinking
00:24 - Paddon: you actually dock at stations
00:25 - Paddon: and walk around shops and buy stuff
00:25 - Paddon: Possibly top down
00:25 - NovaCrusade: neat! yeah that wouldnt be too hard to implement
00:25 - Paddon: would be best probably
00:25 - NovaCrusade: yeah
00:25 - Paddon: Making a spreadsheet right now about this xD
00:25 - NovaCrusade: xD
00:27 - Paddon: Maybe it should be lane based
00:27 - Paddon: but it shouldnt affect who you can hit
00:28 - Paddon: it should be XCom-like in that way
00:28 - NovaCrusade: yeah; itd add depth and strats
00:28 - NovaCrusade: also: idea for the long run
00:28 - NovaCrusade: if ports are top down
00:28 - NovaCrusade: maybe you could do planetary exploration or something at some point, where battles or dungeons then do the sidescrolling bit when you get to them
00:29 - Paddon: Oh yeah. I was thinking the same :D
00:29 - NovaCrusade: with the same coding you use for the ports
00:29 - NovaCrusade: just a larger area.
00:29 - Paddon: Fortunately
00:29 - Paddon: I have two artists.
00:29 - Paddon: Alex and Shu xD
00:29 - NovaCrusade: this game so far seems like a combination between xcom, ftl and ironclad/ironcast
00:29 - NovaCrusade: I can do sprites if no one wants to
00:30 - NovaCrusade: have you seen my starbound fan work
00:29 - Paddon: Well, the other two would be doing that as well
00:30 - NovaCrusade: ah
00:30 - Paddon: but i'd be glad to have another!
00:30 - NovaCrusade: lemme give you my resume
00:30 - NovaCrusade: :P
00:30 - Paddon: xD
00:30 - Paddon: Sure
00:32 - Paddon: Right
00:32 - Paddon: and for ship v ship combat
00:32 - Paddon: what should that game be..
00:32 - NovaCrusade: game
00:32 - NovaCrusade: ?
00:32 - Paddon: like minigame
00:32 - NovaCrusade: the minigame?
00:32 - Paddon: Yeah
00:32 - NovaCrusade: ah
00:32 - NovaCrusade: um
00:32 - NovaCrusade: like I said
00:32 - NovaCrusade: it could be rng based on class skills and rng for weapons and their types
00:32 - NovaCrusade: or
00:33 - NovaCrusade: it could have some sorta skill based thing
00:33 - Paddon: Yeah, but it might bore the player to just watch it
00:33 - NovaCrusade: yeah
00:33 - NovaCrusade: hmm
00:33 - NovaCrusade: cuz in this case
00:33 - NovaCrusade: you're basically going to see the nose of both ships and the front weapons
00:33 - Paddon: Yeah
00:33 - NovaCrusade: I'd at least think
00:34 - NovaCrusade: yeah it'd be a bit dull to watch the shields go down and stuffs.
00:34 - NovaCrusade: umm
00:34 - NovaCrusade: huh. I have -one- idea that came to me
00:34 - NovaCrusade: do you have any familiarity with the warioware games? like how there's a bunch of small minigames in a mode
00:34 - NovaCrusade: and you have to complete them in quick succession to advance?
00:34 - Paddon: Uhh
00:34 - Paddon: Not really no
00:35 - NovaCrusade: okay maybe look up a youtube vid of that. basically they're very fast skill games, each one different
00:35 - NovaCrusade: and they come randomly
00:35 - NovaCrusade: so maybe what you could have is like some sorta makeshift HUD display for the npc's manning the weapons
00:36 - NovaCrusade: and have some random minigames using that to determine if you hit or hit well
00:36 - NovaCrusade: some easy examples are like the pixel perfect game, where you click specific spots on screen quickly, while having the cursor dodge projectiles
00:36 - NovaCrusade: or move the cursor through a tunnel of some sort without hitting the edges
00:37 - NovaCrusade: maybe even the game snake could appear as a rare easter egg game. :P
00:37 - NovaCrusade: you following me in what I'm saying btw?
00:37 - Paddon: Sort of
00:37 - Paddon: Ironcast did it really well
00:38 - Paddon: Maybe I could do in that style
00:38 - Paddon: so one minigame for all systems
00:38 - Paddon: and whatever system I need, I could aim for that system's points
00:39 - NovaCrusade: yeah you could do that
00:40 - Paddon: I'm leaning back towards my first thought
00:40 - NovaCrusade: otherwise here's an example of one minigame you could have (mind much less hard due to combat pressure)
00:40 - NovaCrusade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuS86McIlmE
00:40 - Paddon: xD
00:40 - Paddon: Yeah
00:40 - NovaCrusade: first thought of doing ironcast like stuff?
00:40 - Paddon: Sort of
00:40 - Paddon: Like
00:40 - Paddon: You know the warframe minigames
00:41 - Paddon: of hacking terminals
00:41 - NovaCrusade: yeah
00:41 - Paddon: Like
00:41 - NovaCrusade: that's kinda what I was stating as well
00:41 - Paddon: 5 rows of those rotatable shapes
00:41 - Paddon: and you've got say 10 seconds
00:41 - Paddon: make connections to each system, and the more power in each 'battery' increases performance
00:42 - NovaCrusade: yeah, and you could go to damage, accuracy or whatnot? or is it to systems such as shields and stuff, not just one weapon?
00:42 - NovaCrusade: also here's my album:
00:42 - NovaCrusade: http://adoberevel.com/shares/4c522f74625e4772a9863f9982f4f6fa
00:42 - Paddon: Yeah, so it would be
00:42 - Paddon: Weapons increase accuracry or maybe overcharge
00:42 - Paddon: Shields would do the obvious
00:42 - Paddon: Engine increases evasion
00:43 - NovaCrusade: you should also have one for managing heat levels
00:43 - Paddon: Yeah
00:43 - Paddon: like coolant
00:43 - NovaCrusade: put power into that and it cuts heat
00:43 - NovaCrusade: yeah
00:43 - Paddon: Ooh
00:43 - Paddon: Yeah so
00:43 - Paddon: Weapons could be power
00:43 - Paddon: coolant is ultimately rate of fire
00:43 - Paddon: and shield delay
00:43 - NovaCrusade: and weapons functioning
00:43 - NovaCrusade: for coolant
00:43 - Paddon: Yeah
00:43 - NovaCrusade: if you dont use it  at all it'd degrade
00:44 - NovaCrusade: that way it keeps it so people couldnt spam weapons
00:44 - Paddon: How do you mean?
00:44 - Paddon: If you neglect coolant the limit would degrade?
00:44 - NovaCrusade: like
00:44 - NovaCrusade: if you didnt put power into coolant
00:44 - Paddon: I like that idea
00:44 - NovaCrusade: the weapons would overheat
00:44 - NovaCrusade: so you'd have to balance power with coolant and shields
00:44 - NovaCrusade: and or engines
00:44 - Paddon: Ah yeah
00:45 - NovaCrusade: kinda like elite
00:45 - Paddon: like a bar with different coloured sizes
00:45 - Paddon: if you know what I mean
00:45 - NovaCrusade: yeah
00:45 - NovaCrusade: so this would be between elite and ironclast, basically from a design standpoint
00:45 - NovaCrusade: on elite you have to change power levels depending on the situation
00:45 - Paddon: Yeah
00:45 - NovaCrusade: such as shields being down, needing to gun the engines, or keep weapons from overheating
00:46 - NovaCrusade: but in this case its a minigame that does it
00:46 - NovaCrusade: and this is also against what the computer chooses to do
00:46 - Paddon: Nice sprites!
00:46 - NovaCrusade: danke.
00:46 - Paddon: did you make them from scratch?
00:46 - NovaCrusade: I basically took a bare starbound avatar
00:46 - NovaCrusade: used a reference
00:46 - Paddon: Ahh
00:46 - NovaCrusade: and made a starbound sprite of the reference
00:47 - NovaCrusade: I couldn't do it from scratch, because I wouldnt know what to do. xD
00:47 - Paddon: Think you could make me a player with a basic walking animation?
00:47 - Paddon: xD
00:47 - NovaCrusade: heck yeah. I've done flash animation before
00:47 - Paddon: I think the model i'm currently working with is 50 pixels high and 25 wide
00:47 - NovaCrusade: I mean in this case its just sprites but still
00:47 - Paddon: Not sure how hard that would be
00:48 - NovaCrusade: not sure either. I'd have to measure what I've done
00:48 - Paddon: Anywho
00:48 - NovaCrusade: is that like a gunpoint sized person?
00:48 - Paddon: Not sure
00:48 - NovaCrusade: ::
00:48 - NovaCrusade: :P*
00:48 - Paddon: I'm thinking they'll look like an IMC pilot from titanfall maybe
00:48 - Paddon: xD
00:48 - Paddon: In pixel-form
00:48 - NovaCrusade: ooh, neat!
00:48 - Paddon: So sort of silvery armour