Pre-great tribulation/wrath

Jesus is coming for his Saints soon and then the end begins. If you have been decieved into believing that this is not told to us in the Bible please read below and read your own Bible with the Holy Spirit as your guide. These are from various post debunking that this is not taught to us.

His second "Appearing", not coming. Six times in the KJV Bible https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=appearing&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1 Call it what you want but these verses describe how it happens, Acts 1:9-11 and 1 Thess:4:17. Just these two verses alone prove this, 1Thess 3:13 "so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH all His SAINTS" and Luke 21:36 "Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." <--That was God telling you that.

Why do people say PreTrib came from Darby and some movie? Why do people say there is no evidence of anyone teaching it before 1830? This is just not true, http://www.essentialchristianity.com/pages.asp?pageid=21918
It's even in the Old Testament, read Zechariah 14, Zec:14:5 "And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."

Matthew 24 is usually misread, such as Matt:24:31 it says "they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other.", the elect are already in Heaven not on Earth. Also the "rapture" of Matthew is for the evil people clearly stated in Matt:24:51 "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew:24:28 "For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together" and the parallel in Luke:17:37 goes even further. Luke:17:37 "And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." Notice the words "carcass" and "body", that's clearly not Heaven, it is this event in Rev:19:17-18 "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of the heavens, Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great".

Rev:3:10 "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Or Luke:21:35-36 "For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass. This clearly says as a SNARE (trap) on ALL of them on earth and it's Jesus who says to pray that you may be worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass. What about the Church not being mentioned after Rev:4? People claim this doesn't mean anything even though Revelation, after the introduction, immediately speaks to the Church. Getting back to Revelations, Rev:3:8 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name", Then we see in Rev:4:1-2 "After this I looked, and, behold, a DOOR was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit..." Then look at this amazing verse, Matt:25:10 "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." What about the Elders mentioned in Rev:4:4, clothed in white raiment with crowns on their head? How could they already be in Heaven if the "rapture" is at the end? Again in Rev:6:11 we see "And white robes were given unto every one of them". And again in Rev:7:13-14 "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." The Elder who is already in Heaven, tells John "These are they which came out of great tribulation", and these are what people call the "tribulation saints" We know people will be converted to God during the tribulation, this is clear by the two witnesses alone. Why does Rev:6:15-16 say "EVERY bondman, and EVERY free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Why would the Church be hiding from God?

What about the restrainer from 2Thess:2:7? "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He is now restraining, until it is raised from out of the midst." I believe it to be the Holy Spirit who resides in us the Church. Some translations have it as "He" capitalized or "the one". We are the light of the world and if we and the Holy Spirit are  taken out then darkness would fall upon the earth.

Why do people say that the coming will be "as in the days of Noah" and "as in the days of Lot" but ignore the basic message that Noah and Lot had faith and were spared wrath? Luke:17:29 "But the SAME DAY that Lot went OUT of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." What about 1 Thess:5:9 "For God did not appoint us to wrath"? It's Jesus who opens the scrolls not satan. There's probably even more verses I can't think of now. The Bible tells us Jesus will come at a time when people are not expecting him. How is this possible if it is at the end of tribulation? The Church would certainly be expecting him with everything that had happened.

Read what is told to the 7 churches in Revelation. There is a message of repent or go through the great tribulation. There are three churches mentioned in Rev:3 with three levels of commitment to God. The spiritually dead, the lukewarm and those on fire for Jesus. The former two, it would seem, are not ready and must be put to the test of that hour. Why do Christians believe they all will be imprisoned or put to death? I would die for Jesus a thousand times but where does it say that in the Bible? My grandmother was a Christian and she wasn't imprisoned or put to death. In fact the Bible says SOME will be die not all, Luke:21:16. So where are the rest, already at the wedding. Don't be the lukewarm or spiritually dead, come out of Babylon and reject the ways of the heathens.

How dangerous are these post-trib teachings if God himself told you to watch and pray always that you will escape all the things that will come to pass? If you believe these teachings would you be praying always to escape? Where does that place your faith in? With God all things are possible. God bless you all, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.