CIchat

[19:26]	Nouva	Hi
[19:26]	Nouva	I live
[19:27]	Nouva	And my feet hurt :(
[19:28]	thedeadlymoose	Hey Nouva
[19:28]	Live2Die	hi Nouva
[19:28]	thedeadlymoose	Okay, so
[19:28]	Live2Die	and that sucks :(
[19:28]	thedeadlymoose	Thing I told Ed and Cad already
[19:28]	thedeadlymoose	I think you guys have three main options
[19:28]	thedeadlymoose	(1) salt and burn the CI wiki, and make a CI canon on the SCP wiki
[19:28]	thedeadlymoose	that is the easiest option; I don't think Ed will want it, but the others already expressed interest
[19:29]	thedeadlymoose	I'm not sure it's the correct one
[19:29]	thedeadlymoose	(2) try to remake the CI wiki with an exciting, original concept; give it a reason to exist
[19:29]	thedeadlymoose	that is by far the hardest option
[19:29]	VAE	Well, t's the easiest option, it's also the one you have stakes in
[19:29]	thedeadlymoose	VAE: no it's not
[19:29]	VAE	so sure you'd try to sell it, TBH
[19:29]	thedeadlymoose	you misread the entire thing, broheim
[19:29]	thedeadlymoose	shrugs
[19:30]	thedeadlymoose	these are all the options I deem acceptable
[19:30]	thedeadlymoose	I'm not even bothering to mention the ones I don't approve of
[19:30]	thedeadlymoose	anyway, continuing
[19:30]	thedeadlymoose	I mean, the Wanderers Library /succeeded/ at #2, and it's not exactly a huge site, even with an io9 article and everything
[19:30]	VAE	okay, what did I misread?
[19:32]	thedeadlymoose	(3) split the difference. this is something I mainly mentioned to Cadbury at 5AM. this option would mean transitioning the CI wiki to a fun personal community site and partial sandbox. The stuff you guys want taken seriously would be treated like a higher-class sandbox: keep comment threads, but remove the article rating module, and plan to move them all to the SCP wiki or delete them within...
[19:32]	thedeadlymoose	...the next, say, 9 months
[19:32]	thedeadlymoose	the other stuff, you keep on there
[19:32]	thedeadlymoose	and you don't worry about it
[19:32]	VAE	I actually like that
[19:32]	thedeadlymoose	I know some of you think that stuff like the Shrekoning and lolCI stuff is a problem
[19:32]	thedeadlymoose	it's really, really not
[19:33]	thedeadlymoose	it wouldn't fly on the SCP wiki, but having goofy shit on a small site is a /feature/, not a /flaw/
[19:33]	VAE	because it'd be best of both worlds. Real quality control ,and checking if we're bowling with the pros
[19:33]	thedeadlymoose	that's my preferred option, but I also could be wrong, and 1 and 2 are both acceptable
[19:33]	VAE	but like, we'd still retain... stuff that wouldn't fly elsewhere and well, administrative independence
[19:33]	thedeadlymoose	VAE: that's my thought, yeah
[19:33]	VAE	which I think you aren't surprised I'm all for
[19:33]	thedeadlymoose	it also does have the benefit of letting Cad, Ed, etc keep power
[19:34]	thedeadlymoose	which Ed in particular wants
[19:34]	thedeadlymoose	all these options entail a lot of deleting; the SCP ripoff stuff needs to go, or be remade
[19:34]	thedeadlymoose	that's what I mean by "I'm not even listing the options I find unacceptable"
[19:34]	VAE	I'll digress but after the eskobar fiasco where a couple staffers spread blatant lies about me, I'm not all that excited for doing certain sort of things on the main wiki, asides from you know, helping friends and commenting on things that catch my interest
[19:35]	VAE	hah, that we're on
[19:35]	VAE	that shit does need to go
[19:35]	VAE	it's actually worse than useless
[19:35]	VAE	why need site rules and a ton of required reading... for ten people
[19:35]	VAE	It's when you got a hundred or more that shit needs doing
[19:43]	Live2Die	Option 3 seems like a good option
[19:43]	Live2Die	although, yeah, we would need to remove the rip-offs, but we would need to anyways
[19:44]	thedeadlymoose	VAE: I have to admit I don't remember all the details of that :( I've had to go through too much since then
[19:44]	thedeadlymoose	but I digress, haha.
[19:44]	thedeadlymoose	waits for Nouva to catch up
[19:52]	Live2Die	gdi Nouva
[19:52]	Live2Die	stop your work, get fired, and actually do stuff on a site with 9% of the people there active and that you have no real reason to go to other than you like the place >:[
[19:56]	thedeadlymoose	hahahahahahaha
[19:56]	thedeadlymoose	that's reason enough, though
[19:57]	thedeadlymoose	I will repeat
[19:57]	thedeadlymoose	the other reason I'm here beyond sympathizing with people who genuinely want help, and the fact that it's to my professional advantage to see this site raise its quality in one way or another, is that I genuinely love the Chaos Insurgency GOI
[19:57]	thedeadlymoose	top three, as I said. Serpent's Hand, Black Queen, CI
[19:58]	VAE	heh.
[19:58]	thedeadlymoose	I... don't like the canon Ed has been forcing, but apparently Cadbury and others don't like it either
[19:58]	Live2Die	as I said, the top 3 GOIs that hate the foundation
[19:58]	Live2Die	what does that say about you? :P
[19:58]	VAE	XD
[19:58]	VAE	You know, I don't mind those
[19:58]	VAE	though, heh. I'd include AWCY perhaps
[19:58]	Live2Die	I like BQ and CI
[19:58]	Live2Die	and SH is pretty good
[19:58]	VAE	i liked them since yoric made them
[19:59]	Live2Die	but I really like Wondertainment and the Factory
[19:59]	thedeadlymoose	SH is my favorite
[19:59]	thedeadlymoose	that's the only reason I didn't go for the CI during the GOI contest
[19:59]	thedeadlymoose	I badly wanted SH, and no one else on my team would even consider CI >_>;;
[19:59]	VAE	heh
[19:59]	VAE	bast, I'm badly disappointed at what they did for GRU-P
[19:59]	Live2Die	lol
[20:00]	VAE	some of the terribaddest stuff I read
[20:00]	VAE	if you didn't know, GRU-P is my thing
[20:00]	VAE	you can blame me for them not being fleshed out enough
[20:00]	thedeadlymoose	of course I know :P
[20:00]	VAE	the others don't
[20:00]	thedeadlymoose	it's my least favorite GOI out of all of them, now that Eskobar made ORIA amazing
[20:00]	thedeadlymoose	you should work on that :P
[20:00]	VAE	*nod*
[20:00]	VAE	I don't begrudge you
[20:00]	VAE	and I loved his ORIA stuff
[20:01]	thedeadlymoose	it doesn't /have/ to be that way, as you are in fact a good writer and you could collab with people XD
[20:01]	thedeadlymoose	yeah, it was honestly top-tier
[20:01]	VAE	there's stuff still languishing in my sandbox
[20:01]	thedeadlymoose	still mad about the plagiarism thing
[20:01]	VAE	yeah
[20:01]	VAE	Night Vale of all things
[20:01]	thedeadlymoose	it took literally the worst GOI and made everyone fascinated
[20:01]	Live2Die	thanks Gears for actually doing something with CI
[20:01]	Live2Die	I think everyone knows that GRU-P is your thing :P
[20:01]	Live2Die	yeah, he made ORIA from the worst thing on the site to aweosme
[20:02]	VAE	Live2Die - a while ago, people asked me if I wrote anything on the wiki
[20:02]	VAE	it's like, I have every reason to err on the other side
[20:03]	Live2Die	wasn't that comment supposed to be directed at Moose, since he's the one who brought it up >_>
[20:03]	thedeadlymoose	hm?
[20:04]	Live2Die	VAE was talking about writing stuff, and you were the one that brought up writing again
[20:04]	VAE	yeah. One of the things I was trying to hammer in - like, I got literally told they hold CI wiki stuff to lower standard for upvote than SCP wiki stuff
[20:04]	VAE	deliberately
[20:05]	VAE	I can't exclaim enough how wrong and counterproductive that is
[20:05]	VAE	but like that discussion seems to have gotten across
[20:05]	VAE	unles you want to second my outlook
[20:05]	Live2Die	I try not to, but it is really hard
[20:05]	thedeadlymoose	I completely second your outlook
[20:06]	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: you do need to raise your standards, but I know you're not doing it on purpose
[20:06]	Live2Die	Yeah, I know
[20:06]	thedeadlymoose	that's a large reason I'm really regretful for accidentally calling all the people who operate like that stupid :[
[20:06]	VAE	heh
[20:06]	Live2Die	its just really hard to do since literally /everything there/ is shit compared to what it could be
[20:06]	VAE	I was more amused than anything
[20:06]	Nouva	Im sorry. im caught up.....I choose 3
[20:06]	VAE	like I posted
[20:06]	VAE	and honestly
[20:06]	thedeadlymoose	I mean, at the very least from a pragmatic perspective, it's the exact opposite of what I'd want to do from a group of people who I want to /help/
[20:07]	Nouva	That or 1
[20:07]	VAE	I wasn't impressed with you even on the wiki thread about paroxysm
[20:07]	thedeadlymoose	"hey, you guys are all total fucking garbage morons! :D"
[20:07]	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose I wanted to hate you for that, but you /had/ to make a sincere apology, didn't you >:(
[20:07]	thedeadlymoose	"now listen to my advice! :D"
[20:07]	VAE	XD
[20:07]	VAE	It'd have worked better
[20:07]	VAE	if you used gizoogle for the post
[20:07]	thedeadlymoose	goddammit, VAE
[20:07]	VAE	MOOSE ON DA FLOOR!
[20:07]	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: lmao. sigh
[20:07]	Live2Die	but, seriously, pls no more
[20:08]	Live2Die	and back to real topic since Nouva said option 3
[20:09]	Nouva	Sorry im closing the resturant im trying and i cant quit Live2Die :3 i got car insurance and a phone bill
[20:10]	Live2Die	:(
[20:10]	Nouva	I just wanted to expand this site into something interesting but like i told Live2Die, i probably got in over my head
[20:10]	VAE	well,like
[20:10]	Nouva	I dont know
[20:10]	VAE	what's the price for failure?
[20:10]	VAE	the site won't get worse than it is
[20:10]	Live2Die	nothing, really
[20:10]	VAE	because tbh what's there now is an atrocity
[20:10]	Live2Die	aside from me loosing rooms to talk in :P
[20:10]	Live2Die	losing*
[20:11]	Nouva	Fuck, AFK again...Im still listening through... or reading
[20:12]	Live2Die	so, everyone here loves option 3
[20:12]	Live2Die	what now
[20:12]	VAE	the hard part.
[20:12]	VAE	Making it happen
[20:13]	Live2Die	welp
[20:13]	Live2Die	time to leave wikidot
[20:13]	VAE	first - I said. More chat is a good thing. People bounce ideas, people brainstorm things, people catch idiocy before effort is expended to fight it
[20:13]	Live2Die	and quit the internet
[20:13]	VAE	and you don't even need a lot of people
[20:13]	VAE	#area14 comes to mind
[20:13]	Live2Die	yeah, chat is a really good thing
[20:14]	VAE	it was me echo aelanna and nusquam
[20:14]	VAE	and so much good stuff came from it
[20:14]	VAE	so yeah. As long as the people are competent, that makes things happen
[20:14]	Live2Die	and now even the owner of it won't go into it, despite being in 19 right now
[20:15]	thedeadlymoose	gotta read up
[20:15]	thedeadlymoose	also, Live2Die, check PMs
[20:15]	Live2Die	okay
[20:15]	thedeadlymoose	Nouva: if you genuinely care enough, we can help you
[20:16]	thedeadlymoose	we would have before, as I said, we just didn't realize Ed was blocking things
[20:16]	Live2Die	I just realized I didn't quit my pm with you, so I have around 20 million lines to read
[20:16]	Live2Die	so, reading
[20:16]	thedeadlymoose	rofl
[20:16]	thedeadlymoose	also, I can help you guys with Option 3 if you want to do it; I can help with any of the options, but tbh I'm best suited to help with #3, which is part of why it's my preference
[20:16]	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose also give VAE voice since he seems to care pls
[20:17]	thedeadlymoose	will do
[20:17]	Live2Die	k thanks
[20:17]	=-=	Mode +v VAE by ChanServ
[20:18]	VAE	looks around
[20:18]	VAE	I have voice
[20:18]	VAE	coughs
[20:18]	Live2Die	oh
[20:19]	Live2Die	that sucks
[20:19]	Live2Die	I guess we need to remove it
[20:19]	Live2Die	since you can't talk
[20:19]	Live2Die	because you're coughing
[20:19]	Live2Die	c:
[20:19]	Live2Die	I really fucked that up didn't I
[20:27]	VAE	but yeah. I mean, really, since ripping things is fashionable, think of that bright/reject guide
[20:28]	VAE	a community of peeps who write things on the internet
[20:28]	VAE	that's what all is about first of all.
[20:28]	VAE	at this time, it's a community of people who do needless administrative tasks for a mostly empty building
[20:28]	Live2Die	Yup
[20:29]	VAE	just for the hell of it, lemme find somethign off rationalwiki
[20:30]	VAE	oh not that one
[20:30]	VAE	it was lesswrong i think
[20:31]	VAE	There's chocolate at the supermarket, and you can get to the supermarket by driving, and driving requires that you be in the car, which means opening your car door, which needs keys. If you find there's no chocolate at the supermarket, you won't stand around opening and slamming your car door because the car door still needs opening. I rarely notice people losing track of plans they devised themselves.
[20:31]	VAE	this
[20:32]	VAE	anyhow, so strenghtening chat is one thing
[20:32]	thedeadlymoose	Also, Nouva doesn't have op because he's not identified
[20:32]	VAE	getting rid of clutter is another, but that was said
[20:33]	thedeadlymoose	[20:27]	VAE	but yeah. I mean, really, since ripping things is fashionable, think of that bright/reject guide
[20:33]	thedeadlymoose	:P
[20:33]	thedeadlymoose	i don't think what this site needs is more performance critique
[20:33]	thedeadlymoose	but i don't think it should be an issue since it's a tiny community of exclusively people who want t obe here
[20:33]	VAE	I was referring to a specific line of it
[20:33]	thedeadlymoose	oh?
[20:33]	thedeadlymoose	I don't remember that guide so refresh my memory :x
[20:34]	VAE	> a community of peeps who write things on the internet
[20:34]	VAE	> that's what all is about first of all.
[20:34]	VAE	the first line is how that guide defined SCP wiki basically
[20:34]	VAE	shortened and messed up by my memory
[20:34]	thedeadlymoose	ahhhhhhhhh
[20:34]	thedeadlymoose	yeah, that makes sense
[20:37]	=-=	Live2Die is now known as Live2consuelo
[20:38]	=-=	Live2consuelo is now known as Live2Die
[20:39]	Live2Die	...
[20:39]	Live2Die	there is seriously a #consuelo
[20:39]	VAE	wasn't that a moron?
[20:39]	Live2Die	yeah, that kept repeating his name
[20:39]	Live2Die	he is now god of chat, apparently
[20:40]	Live2Die	because he recently came back in
[20:40]	Live2Die	November, I think
[20:40]	Live2Die	yup
[20:40]	Live2Die	that's 19 for you
[20:54]	VAE	So, anything else to be said for?
[20:56]	VAE	1) Deown Hockenberry 2) let's chat more often 3) hopefully we'll get ideas 4) profit
[20:56]	VAE	x3
[20:57]	Live2Die	missing one link
[20:57]	Live2Die	Ed
[20:57]	VAE	Well
[20:57]	VAE	Ed will either work with us or he won't
[20:57]	VAE	in the latter case well, kthxbye
[20:57]	Live2Die	I want to know whether you think he can stay as admin or if he should be demodded
[20:59]	=-=	Live2Die has changed the topic to “More stuff”
[20:59]	Live2Die	yeah
[20:59]	Live2Die	basically
[20:59]	thedeadlymoose	I think he should be an admin if he cooperates. I don't think he should own any chats and I think it should be clear that Caduceus is in charge, not him
[20:59]	thedeadlymoose	if he can't deal, make him a mod
[21:00]	Live2Die	yup
[21:00]	thedeadlymoose	I'm happy to work with Ed but he's incompetent at running things
[21:00]	thedeadlymoose	like
[21:00]	thedeadlymoose	incompetent to the point of seriously, seriously damaging you
[21:00]	thedeadlymoose	if he actually has to answer to people, then that's probably diffferent
[21:00]	VAE	That isn't a bad assessment.
[21:00]	VAE	I dunno him much
[21:00]	VAE	but like he at least tries which is above a good deal of the people
[21:00]	thedeadlymoose	and on such a small site, you can afford to give admin power to someone like that if they're also very active
[21:01]	thedeadlymoose	which he is
[21:01]	thedeadlymoose	yeah re: VAE
[21:01]	VAE	so, unless he fucks up horribly
[21:01]	VAE	we can afford him
[21:01]	Live2Die	so, force him to cooperate, if not, make him mod?
[21:01]	VAE	yeah
[21:01]	Live2Die	okay
[21:02]	Live2Die	I would log this and post this on FV, but I'm on mibbit
[21:02]	Live2Die	So, Moose or VAE, can you give me logs to show everyone else?
[21:02]	VAE	well
[21:02]	VAE	ircii isn't log friendly
[21:02]	VAE	or rather
[21:02]	VAE	I forgot the command to log
[21:02]	VAE	and like
[21:02]	VAE	derp
[21:02]	VAE	I could have brought in a bot
[21:03]	Live2Die	well, Moose is on chatzilla, and that logs very nicely
[21:04]	Live2Die	so, moose, pls log
[21:04]	Live2Die	otherwise we're screwed >_>
[21:06]	thedeadlymoose	I have logs; you'll just have to remind me, haha.
[21:07]	Live2Die	can you poste in paste bin so I can link pls
[21:07]	thedeadlymoose	but, Live2Die, I don't think he'll need to be /forced/
[21:07]	thedeadlymoose	technicality, but yeah
[21:07]	thedeadlymoose	I can pastebin
[21:07]	thedeadlymoose	just give me a few
[21:07]	Live2Die	okay, thanks
[21:07]	Live2Die	ur da best moose
[21:09]	Nouva	Well i do care. I just need about 30 minutes and im off from work to focus on this important conversation. I realize whats at stake and im happy to make something happen
[21:10]	Live2Die	Okay