#haxiom: alright we're starting
#haxiom: the outrage, post the first team
%The Outrage: https://www.zerobin.net/?63965c5f6ff870c6#HpSSd0loLkbMu7zh206GT8gJwr9u5vNcjCk69VR1vg4=
%The Outrage: A wild Waifu
%The Outrage: haxiom voice him
%The Outrage: :D
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+Twix: rip
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%The Outrage: ./roomvoive a wild waifu
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: so
%The Outrage: let's go
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%The Outrage: this team is weak to ekiller
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+A Wild Waifu: lol
+A Wild Waifu: thanks
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#haxiom: mhm i think offense in general can be annoying
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%The Outrage: It's pretty solid overall
#haxiom: yeah a few things maybe
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#haxiom: i was thinking he could run a bulkier mmx
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%The Outrage: yes
%The Outrage: that's mandatory
#haxiom: like that spread that lives the +2 espeed
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%The Outrage: I think
#haxiom: another thing i dont like is how ho-oh gets in vs pdon and is very threatening
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%The Outrage: a mixed defensive mmx would benefit him good
#haxiom: in order to?
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%The Outrage: yeah the problem is it's weak to ho oh
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#haxiom: i think like a more offensive pdon with stone edge
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#haxiom: would help a ton
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%The Outrage: +2 252 Atk Life Orb Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 72 Def Mega Mewtwo X: 298-352 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
%The Outrage: so yeah maybe 72 defense
%The Outrage: on mmx
%The Outrage: from attack
%The Outrage: would be nice
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#haxiom: oh another thing for ho-oh if you want is possibly thunder darkrai
+A Wild Waifu: spread of mmx defensive?
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: I was thinking about that too
%The Outrage: with hp rock on xerneas too
%The Outrage: that would be huge for ho oh to handle
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#haxiom: a wild waifu, what was your intent with the recover ekiller?
%The Outrage: I don't the weakness to rock polish don too
#haxiom: ^ he could charti ray
%The Outrage: http://pastebin.com/LeVZbeQv
%The Outrage: this is the m2x set
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%The Outrage: its great versus offense
%The Outrage: yeah he should charti yveltal
#haxiom: did you mean ray?
+A Wild Waifu: is for status:i'm testing this set,but i don't use generally this set(sorry for english)
%The Outrage: no problem
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%The Outrage: ok now
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%The Outrage: I think we should solve
%The Outrage: the stall machup issue he has
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%The Outrage: what if he blocks on xerneas
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%The Outrage: I don't see many options
#haxiom: might be necessary and should be ok if he runs stone edge pdon and thunder darkrai
#haxiom: since obv he cant run hp rock
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%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: his team will become good versus stall and HO like that
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%The Outrage: with good solidity overall
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%The Outrage: ok
#haxiom: so lets summarize
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%The Outrage: In summary
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+A Wild Waifu: double dance don?
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%The Outrage: no wait a second
%The Outrage: just listen now
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%The Outrage: 1) run the Mewtwo-X set I passed: http://pastebin.com/LeVZbeQv
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%The Outrage: It's great versus offensive teams since since it kills mence rayquaza and arceus as well as darkrai and can taunt xerneas and groudon to avoid any problems
%The Outrage: 2) Darkrai is fine just run Thunder on It
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%The Outrage: so you lure Sleep Talk Ho-Oh and take it down
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%The Outrage: 3) Run Charti berry on Rayquaza
%The Outrage: because rock polish primal groudon is threatening
%The Outrage: if you wondering what is charti berry
%The Outrage: !dt charti berry
Charti BerryHalves damage taken from a supereffective Rock-type attack. Single use.
Gen: 4 |  Fling Base Power: 10 |  Fling Effect: Activates the Berry's effect on the target. |  Natural Gift Type: Rock |  Natural Gift Base Power: 80
%The Outrage: it makes stone edge twice less powerful so you can revenge kill with aqua tail
+A Wild Waifu: yes
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%The Outrage: are you following ?
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: 4) Keep your set on Groudon just run stone edge instead of lava plume
%The Outrage: to pressure Ho-Oh even more
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%sONIRED: oj
%sONIRED: workshop
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: now finally your team
%The Outrage: is good versus HO
%The Outrage: because like I said
%The Outrage: this is the advantage
%The Outrage: of m2x
%The Outrage: now you have to run
%The Outrage: 5) Block geo xern instead of your set
%The Outrage: ever heard of this set a wild weifu?
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+A Wild Waifu: mancy/block/rest/moonblast?
%The Outrage: exactly
%The Outrage: with max defense max ho
%The Outrage: hp*
%The Outrage: this will allow you to last man some of the passive stalls
%The Outrage: that run around
%The Outrage: you keep xerneas till the end
%The Outrage: in a way it can not be roared
%The Outrage: and handle from there
%The Outrage: SO we're done
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%The Outrage: any question?
+A Wild Waifu: no
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%The Outrage: your team was pretty good
%The Outrage: we didn't need to make sets
+A Wild Waifu: thanks both
%The Outrage: new mons i mean
%The Outrage: welcome
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#haxiom: next team
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%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: http://pastebin.com/rgBUKakP
%The Outrage: pirateworld
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+PirateWorld: Yes
%The Outrage: wait a second
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+PirateWorld: Waiting
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#haxiom: ok so
#haxiom: this team is really similar to a team that astounded posted here http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ubers-teambuilding-workshop.3550772/#post-6445419
#haxiom: but we'll give some pointers anyways
+PirateWorld: It's fine
+PirateWorld: sorry I disnt know its sinilar
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#haxiom: np
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+PirateWorld: If u don't want to it's okay ig
%The Outrage: It's ok
%The Outrage: the problem of this team
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%The Outrage: is mainly refresh ekiller
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%The Outrage: classic HO a bit
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#haxiom: i actually think kyogre can be a bit annoying
%The Outrage: stall is a handlable machup
%The Outrage: with this ho oh
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+PirateWorld: I tried to para spam that's popular in ou
%The Outrage: also if rocks are up early on
+PirateWorld: if u couldn't tell
%The Outrage: double dance groudon
%The Outrage: is threatening
%The Outrage: basically classic HO
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+PirateWorld: Is there way to fix this or
+PirateWorld: something I have to accept
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%The Outrage: ok there is basically
%The Outrage: only 1 annoying weakness
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%The Outrage: rocks+Double Dance primal Groudon
%The Outrage: mainly classic HO
%The Outrage: to solve this
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+PirateWorld: ,
#haxiom: ye we're thinking
+PirateWorld: Wifi check sorry
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%The Outrage: okay
%The Outrage: so
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+PirateWorld: wanted to*
%The Outrage: let me tell you what to do
%The Outrage: to solve the issue
+PirateWorld: ok
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%The Outrage: 1) Put Play Rough on Keys because Foul play aint really good
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%The Outrage: toxic is gonna damage what you will foul play better
%The Outrage: 2) replace salamence with 2 hits Gengar protect destiny bond
%The Outrage: that makes a great core with ho oh versus balanced and stall builds
%The Outrage: it also checks ekiller
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%The Outrage: 3) replace ghostceus
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%The Outrage: with swords dance recover arceus ground
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%The Outrage: that would take on Groudon pretty decently
+PirateWorld: Who defogs then
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#haxiom: wait yeah
+PirateWorld: for ho-oh
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+PirateWorld: Defog spa arceus ground?
%The Outrage: yes
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#haxiom: it could potentially work yeah
%The Outrage: 56 speed
%The Outrage: naive nature
%The Outrage: I mean
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+PirateWorld: Or defog Ho-oh?
%The Outrage: - spe def + defense nature
#haxiom: no definitely not defog
#haxiom: ho-oh
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%The Outrage: special groundceus will work well
%The Outrage: 56 lax
%The Outrage: 252 hp
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#haxiom: perhaps with stone edge
#haxiom: to limit the switches ho-oh gets
%The Outrage: remaining in defense
%The Outrage: yes
%The Outrage: that's why lax
%The Outrage: since he doesnt fear lava plume
%The Outrage: from don
%The Outrage: he has ogre
%The Outrage: so
%The Outrage: he can run stone edge
%The Outrage: in a lax set
+PirateWorld: Cool
+PirateWorld: one more question
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%The Outrage: ?
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+PirateWorld: or actually two lol
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#haxiom: sure
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+PirateWorld: is dazzling gleam keys okay
#haxiom: yeah thats fine
+PirateWorld: to maybe hit msab
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: but with gengar+ho oh
%The Outrage: you are good versus stall
%The Outrage: already
+PirateWorld: ok
%The Outrage: ok let me make a summary
#haxiom: it's a subjective change, no real issues either way
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%The Outrage: because I like too
%The Outrage: :D
+PirateWorld: sure
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%The Outrage: 1) Replace Salamence mega with gengar mega
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%The Outrage: it should have protect dbond fb
%The Outrage: and either sball or wave
%The Outrage: classic set
%The Outrage: 2) lax groundceus instead of ghostceus
%The Outrage: with 56 speed
%The Outrage: 252 hp
%The Outrage: and remaining in defense
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%Sonired: protect dbond can serve as a last minute ekiller check, but i guess it isnt necesssry now
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%The Outrage: judg stone edge recover defog
%The Outrage: and play rough on keys
%The Outrage: that's it
+PirateWorld: K thx
%The Outrage: welcome
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%The Outrage: NEXT BAEXIOM
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%Sonired: he's
%Sonired: oh
%The Outrage: Hi w0RLD W0NDEr...
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%The Outrage: no problem
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#haxiom: the biggest thing imo
#haxiom: is vs stall
%The Outrage: scarf xerneas too
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: yeah that deo a set is dead weight
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%The Outrage: like kills everything
#haxiom: since you cant get up rocks vs sab
%The Outrage: and this groudon
%The Outrage: doesn't check xerneas
#haxiom: and you get walled
%The Outrage: yeah
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: tru especially cuz of no spd on don
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+w0RLD W0NDEr...: i was thinking about running sd/rocks don + lo deo a
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: so
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%The Outrage: the problems are
%The Outrage: scarf xerneas
%The Outrage: geo xern
%The Outrage: stall
%The Outrage: we will remove this groudon set
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#haxiom: geoxerns not too bad imo since prio
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: yeah geoxern cant really setup on anything
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#haxiom: you have to play smart but its manageable
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: i guess maybe darkrai if it slept something since thunder
%The Outrage: even deo S
%The Outrage: when at -2
%The Outrage: even with knock off
%The Outrage: mmm
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: yeah that don set hasn't worked that well in practice
%The Outrage: ok
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: good vs offense but walled by arc water, tias
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%The Outrage: haxiom what if we change this mence to gengar, put charti on ray and use a bulky Ho-Oh
%The Outrage: Groudon*
%The Outrage: something with dragon tail
%The Outrage: dragon tail twave stone edge precimiss
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%The Outrage: I mean he has 2 flying types
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%The Outrage: with no hazard control
%The Outrage: another option is to keep mence but change rayquaza
%The Outrage: to aroma xern
#haxiom: i think the former changes deal with the issues better
%The Outrage: this team
%The Outrage: is bery close to the classic HO
%The Outrage: very*
%The Outrage: too
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%The Outrage: still weak to yveltal tho
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%The Outrage: with the early suggestions
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#haxiom: what if we had sr don and something instead of deo-a
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: i was thinking that
%The Outrage: xerneas can be nice there
#haxiom: yeah that should be fine
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: block or just standard geo
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: standard geo
%The Outrage: but with aroma
#haxiom: you dont really need block
#haxiom: if you have gengar
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%The Outrage: what coverage?
%The Outrage: thunder?
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%The Outrage: i dont think he needs hp rock at all
#haxiom: fblast
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%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: so in summary
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%The Outrage: 1) Remove Mega Salamence and Use Gengar
%The Outrage: Classic set really nothing special
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+w0RLD W0NDEr...: i guess tect since darkrai weak
#haxiom: yeah
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%The Outrage: protect focus blast
%The Outrage: wow hax
%The Outrage: hex*
%The Outrage: its better versus stall
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#haxiom: yeah it can beat lugia
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: go for that them
%The Outrage: then*
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: beat ekiller 1v1 as well
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%The Outrage: yes
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: assuming no ha
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: hax*
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%The Outrage: 2) charti berry on rayquaza
%The Outrage: just to handle groudon
%The Outrage: since no more mence now
%The Outrage: 3) xern>deo-A
%The Outrage: aroma+fblast+moon
%The Outrage: with geo
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%The Outrage: finally for primal groudon
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%The Outrage: you can run the classic set in the analysis for double dance
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#haxiom: no
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: rocks?
#haxiom: he needs sr
%The Outrage: yes
%The Outrage: i mean this spread
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%The Outrage: but with rocks and dtail
%The Outrage: it checks xern and is pretty offensive
#haxiom: mm ok
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%The Outrage: any questions?
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: so like 104/96 hp spd
%The Outrage: yes
%The Outrage: this one
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: alright, thanks for the help
%The Outrage: this takes a hit from geo xern and has power
%The Outrage: alrite welcome
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: but
%The Outrage: now last team
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: ?
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: what about sd + sr
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+w0RLD W0NDEr...: instead of dtail
#haxiom: im not sure if its necessary
#haxiom: since the goal is to sr vs waterceus
#haxiom: but you can beat stall
#haxiom: if you just trap lugia
%The Outrage: yeah
#haxiom: rather than overwhelming it with rocks
%The Outrage: dtail will help you more
%The Outrage: versus balanced builds
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: makes sense, better vs flygon as well
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: alrite
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%The Outrage: anything else?
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: nah
%The Outrage: great
+w0RLD W0NDEr...: ty!
#haxiom: alright cool
%The Outrage: welcome
%The Outrage: NEXT
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%The Outrage: the teams look the same
%The Outrage: :C
%The Outrage: there is a guy
%The Outrage: who pmed me
%The Outrage: the classic stall
%The Outrage: lol
#haxiom: lol
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%The Outrage: ProNastyNick
%The Outrage: he is here
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: voice
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%The Outrage: Hai
+ProNastyNick: ho
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+ProNastyNick: hi
+ProNastyNick: hay
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%The Outrage: aite haxiom
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%The Outrage: minority will help in the last team
%The Outrage: voice
#haxiom: okay
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%The Outrage: sup
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%The Outrage: here it is http://pastebin.com/2tVHR2nz
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+Minority Suspect: y I saw
#haxiom: no arceus forme stands out i suppose
%The Outrage: yeah and ferro+dialga
#haxiom: mhm
%The Outrage: this team is def weak to groudon
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: its not really good versus stall either
%The Outrage: how is icy wind ogre?
%The Outrage: never thought about it
+Minority Suspect: seems to rely a lot on Ogre to beat physical mons
%The Outrage: ProNastyNick
%The Outrage: why did u use icy wind
%The Outrage: not ice beam
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%Sonired: o_O ms
+ProNastyNick: icy wind helps to weeken switch ins to kyoger
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+ProNastyNick: to thain be reveng killed
+ProNastyNick: found it better thain icebeem
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%Sonired: i dont really think that's a problrem with rest talk
#haxiom: you miss out
+ProNastyNick: ok
#haxiom: on always ohkoing mence
%Sonired: yeah
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+Minority Suspect: it sorta is Sonired
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%The Outrage: ok
+Minority Suspect: you'll be spending more time asleep
%The Outrage: lets say we keep diancie
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+Minority Suspect: more times ST picks Rest in a crucial moment
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%Sonired: wait i mean
%Sonired: if you're rest talk
%The Outrage: lets agree on something
%The Outrage: Mega Diancie should be kept
%The Outrage: this ogre with rest talk but ice beam
%The Outrage: should be too
%The Outrage: because it absorbs status versus stall
%The Outrage: from waterceus lugia and others
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%The Outrage: lets keep those too
+Minority Suspect: okay then address the offense matchup
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%The Outrage: ok
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%The Outrage: we put a shuca berry offensive set
%The Outrage: on dialga
%The Outrage: that kinda helps ok versus offense
+Minority Suspect: and Ferro dropped for what Arc
#haxiom: how about sd groundceus
%The Outrage: sd groudnceus means no defog
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%The Outrage: mmmm
+Minority Suspect: this team needs something better for EKiller
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%The Outrage: we need also some backup for xern
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%The Outrage: yh
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+ProNastyNick: defensive groudon?
+ProNastyNick: with rocks
%The Outrage: no
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%The Outrage: dialga
%The Outrage: is taking the rocks
+Minority Suspect: a large reason of running Dialga
+Minority Suspect: is taking SR off P Don
+ProNastyNick: ok
%The Outrage: ok so we have diala diancie and kyogre
+Minority Suspect: needs Arc
+Minority Suspect: oh you can add P Don to that
%The Outrage: I think twave sd pdon sounds good
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%The Outrage: checks xern better than this
#haxiom: 2 slots, one must be arc one must be ground immune
+Minority Suspect: you're either checking EKiller with Arc or the Ground immune
#haxiom: what about gira-o?
%The Outrage: lets switch this yvel to defensive set
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%The Outrage: he's pretty good versus bulky teams
%The Outrage: letsjust cover the back now
+ProNastyNick: ok
%The Outrage: lets say we go for defensive yvel and ekiller
%The Outrage: let me post the team
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%The Outrage: Dialga diancie groudon ekiller yveltal ogre
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%The Outrage: this looks pretty fine
%The Outrage: imo
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+Minority Suspect: its mostly okay
%The Outrage: yh
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%The Outrage: haxiom thoughts?
+Minority Suspect: in reality I think EKiller + Xern is hard
%The Outrage: well there are answers to ekiller and to xern
%The Outrage: a bit less for xern
+Minority Suspect: Xern threatens Yveltal and you're forced to a switch-in
+Minority Suspect: if P Don is chipped its gg
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%The Outrage: well you still have ekiller
%The Outrage: its can only really set up
+Minority Suspect: EKiller can't revenge from full
%The Outrage: on yvel
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%The Outrage: what if we go for 280 speed
%The Outrage: on yvel
%The Outrage: taunt
+Minority Suspect: doesn't fix the problem
%The Outrage: can save sometimes
+Minority Suspect: of Xern + EKiller
+Minority Suspect: because you can't afford to sack your EKiller check
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+Minority Suspect: if Xern Moonblasts on the Taunt and has EKiller in back its still gg
+Minority Suspect: unless you get lucky with Ogre Sleep Talk
+Minority Suspect: like I'm not saying its a huge problem
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+Minority Suspect: but in reality I think EKiller + Xern can do work
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%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: well
+Minority Suspect: because you're running offensive Xern checks alongside a passive EKiller check
%The Outrage: k let me tell you something
%The Outrage: what if we
%The Outrage: knock off
%The Outrage: on yvel
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%The Outrage: I dont think we need taunt
%The Outrage: or toxic do we
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%The Outrage: the team is pretty good versus stall
%The Outrage: knock off will help
%The Outrage: versus xern coming in
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%The Outrage: thoughts?
+Minority Suspect: its okay
%The Outrage: haxiom
%The Outrage: o
%The Outrage: oo
#haxiom: it helps
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%The Outrage: ok so lets make a summary
%The Outrage: 1) Ice beam on ofre
%The Outrage: ogre*
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%The Outrage: swords dance and thunder wave instead of dragon claw and rock polish on our groudon
%The Outrage: your*
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%The Outrage: ProNastyNick
%The Outrage: you following?
+ProNastyNick: yed
+ProNastyNick: yes
%The Outrage: ekiller instead of ferrothirn
%The Outrage: life orb
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+ProNastyNick: ok
%The Outrage: shuca nerry max spe attack modest
%The Outrage: on dialfa
%The Outrage: you can speed creep it to like 240
%The Outrage: in total
%The Outrage: and remianing in h
%The Outrage: p
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+ProNastyNick: ok
%The Outrage: sorry I'm typing like shit that's because power cut and I can't see my keyboard
%The Outrage: ok
+ProNastyNick: it is fine
%The Outrage: finally
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%The Outrage: replace your yveltal
%The Outrage: with a charti berry defensive set
%The Outrage: foul play knock off roost sucker
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%The Outrage: any questions? :D
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+ProNastyNick: no thank you guys
%The Outrage: Welcome