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  1. [18:32:00] +pancake: ok guys quickly
  2. [18:32:06] +pancake: how much speed have you been running on probopass
  3. [18:32:11] +pancake: to creep things
  4. [18:32:11] Machoker1: First
  5. [18:32:11] #Jungle Fox: 144
  6. [18:32:17] #Jungle Fox: for 56 spe mawile
  7. [18:32:18] +pancake: thx
  8. [18:32:47] pancake was promoted to Room Driver by Jungle Fox.
  9. [18:32:51] %pancake: aye
  10. [18:32:55] %pancake: I can't stay
  11. [18:32:59] #Jungle Fox: lmao
  12. [18:33:01] Hoenn Zach: rip
  13. [18:33:31] %pancake: ok be nice to jungle fox
  14. [18:33:34] %pancake: and have fun1!!
  15. [18:33:38] #Jungle Fox: <3
  16. [18:33:44] Terrakion: ,
  17. [18:33:46] Hoenn Zach: Time to raise some hell!
  18. [18:33:57] Hoenn Zach: <3 you Jungle
  19. [18:34:04] #Jungle Fox: <3
  20. [18:34:09] Terrakion was promoted to Room Voice by Jungle Fox.
  21. [18:34:21] #Jungle Fox: Let's start with
  22. [18:34:24] #Jungle Fox: Murkrow
  23. [18:34:57] +Terrakion: mix pls
  24. [18:35:10] Hoenn Zach: Mixkrow is gr8
  25. [18:35:13] Machoker1: Sucker bb heatwave twave
  26. [18:35:33] #Jungle Fox: shet
  27. [18:35:36] #Jungle Fox: forgot how to make polls
  28. [18:35:37] #Jungle Fox: lmao
  29. [18:35:42] Machoker1: Is thia gonna be build arouns murk
  30. [18:35:48] Machoker1: Or murk being part of the team?
  31. [18:35:57] +Terrakion: roost over twave imo
  32. [18:37:14] Machoker1: Mm
  33. [18:37:15] Hoenn Zach: Acidently clicked view results
  34. [18:37:21] Hoenn Zach: Add a vote to prankster offensive
  35. [18:37:43] #Jungle Fox: lmao so
  36. [18:37:48] #Jungle Fox: 100% Prankster offensive utility
  37.  
  38. Poll ended Which Murkrow set should we use?
  39. 1. Prankster Offensive utility (mixkrow) (2 votes)
  40. 100%
  41. 2. CMKrow (0 votes)
  42. 0%
  43. 3. AoA (mixkrow) (0 votes)
  44. 0%
  45. [18:38:20] #Jungle Fox: 2 attacks or 3 attacks though
  46. [18:38:41] enemyjurist: I vote cmkrow
  47. [18:39:06] Hoenn Zach: 3 Attacks
  48. [18:39:10] Hoenn Zach: imo
  49. [18:39:23] #Jungle Fox: I prefer 3 attacks too but
  50. [18:39:45] #Jungle Fox: Sucker, BB, Dark Pulse/Heat Wave/HP Fighting/HP Grass?
  51. [18:39:46] #Jungle Fox: :3
  52. [18:39:54] #Jungle Fox: also for last slot
  53. [18:39:56] #Jungle Fox: taunt or twave?
  54. [18:40:38] Hoenn Zach: hmmm
  55. [18:40:42] Machoker1: We can leave as both for now and decide depending on the team mates imo
  56. [18:40:58] Hoenn Zach: Yeah what Machoker said
  57. [18:41:31] PokemonMasterTJ: JF voice me fren
  58. [18:43:00] #Jungle Fox: no
  59. [18:43:01] #Jungle Fox: :3
  60. [18:43:03] PokemonMasterTJ: =/
  61. [18:43:08] PokemonMasterTJ was promoted to Room Voice by Jungle Fox.
  62. [18:43:11] +PokemonMasterTJ: :D
  63. [18:43:36] #Jungle Fox: I prefer deciding first cuz
  64. [18:43:55] Matthew DeAngelis: hello
  65. [18:44:00] #Jungle Fox: We have to see if murkrow'll support teammates
  66. [18:44:03] #Jungle Fox: or give support
  67. [18:44:08] #Jungle Fox: like flying spam with dodrio, idk
  68. [18:44:19] +Terrakion: murkrow dodrio trapinch
  69. [18:44:22] +Terrakion: sounds cool
  70. [18:44:31] Hoenn Zach: That sounds like fun
  71. [18:44:34] Matthew DeAngelis: ok
  72. [18:44:44] Hoenn Zach: I was thinking of doing either flying spam or going dark spam with cacturne myself
  73. [18:45:09] +PokemonMasterTJ: jf mod me and terrak wanna have a fancy letters and we can help make poll, and voice ppl
  74. [18:45:21] #Jungle Fox: TJ you're already
  75. [18:45:23] #Jungle Fox: asking for too much
  76. [18:45:27] #Jungle Fox: cuz i don't know how to mod
  77. [18:45:28] Matthew DeAngelis: i was thinking mean look, perish trap, roost set
  78. [18:45:28] #Jungle Fox: lmao
  79. [18:45:37] Machoker1: He wants your social too
  80. [18:45:45] +PokemonMasterTJ: ./roommod username
  81. [18:45:50] +PokemonMasterTJ: iirc
  82. [18:45:56] Terrakion was promoted to Room Moderator by Jungle Fox.
  83. [18:45:57] #Jungle Fox: thats all
  84. [18:46:05] +PokemonMasterTJ: =/
  85. [18:46:09] Hoenn Zach: JF if the number on your social security card was how much money you had, then how much money would you have
  86. [18:46:20] #Jungle Fox: who said i have
  87. [18:46:25] #Jungle Fox: a security card
  88. [18:46:25] #Jungle Fox: lmao
  89. [18:46:32] Matthew DeAngelis: nice try lol
  90. [18:46:36] Hoenn Zach: I swear to god if anyone answers this
  91. [18:46:39] Machoker1: Illegal
  92. [18:46:42] Machoker1: Anyways
  93. [18:46:45] +PokemonMasterTJ: @ user PokemonMasterTJ
  94. [18:46:47] Matthew DeAngelis: illegal eagle
  95. [18:46:47] Machoker1: Dodrio murk sounds cool
  96. [18:46:55] +PokemonMasterTJ: muk + kro
  97. [18:46:58] +PokemonMasterTJ: is a cool cro
  98. [18:47:00] +PokemonMasterTJ: core*
  99. murkrow workshop <<groupchat-junglefox-murkrowworkshop>>
  100.  
  101. There are several ways to invite people:
  102. - in this chat: /invite USERNAME
  103. - anywhere in PS: link to <<groupchat-junglefox-murkrowworkshop>>
  104. - outside of PS: link to http://psim.us/groupchat-junglefox-murkrowworkshop
  105.  
  106. This room will expire after 40 minutes of inactivity or when the server is restarted.
  107.  
  108. [18:47:10] enemyjurist: Murkrow + something that hates psychics
  109. [18:47:24] #Jungle Fox: Murkrow + CB Muk looks very threatening
  110. [18:47:25] %2xTheTap: sup dudes
  111. [18:47:28] +PokemonMasterTJ: yo
  112. [18:47:28] Matthew DeAngelis: sup
  113. [18:47:32] #Jungle Fox: ayo tap
  114. [18:47:32] enemyjurist: Hey 2x
  115. [18:47:33] @Terrakion: hola 2x
  116. [18:47:43] %2xTheTap: murk + muk sounds good
  117. [18:47:46] +PokemonMasterTJ: yes
  118. [18:47:49] Hoenn Zach: A wild Tap appeared!
  119. [18:47:49] %2xTheTap: as a starting point if you guys wanted to do that
  120. [18:47:56] enemyjurist: If murk+muk
  121. [18:48:02] enemyjurist: Def hp grass murk
  122. [18:48:08] enemyjurist: To nail golem
  123. [18:48:11] +PokemonMasterTJ: mhm
  124. [18:48:13] %2xTheTap: heat wave is nice too, for taking out steels like mawile
  125. nabl plans joined
  126. [18:48:30] enemyjurist: Cb muk right?
  127. [18:48:32] +PokemonMasterTJ: yea so hpgrass, pursuit bb heatwave
  128. [18:48:35] +PokemonMasterTJ: or even twave
  129. [18:48:38] #Jungle Fox: nah
  130. [18:48:38] Machoker1: AoA murk now theb?
  131. [18:48:41] #Jungle Fox: sucker punch is needed
  132. [18:48:43] enemyjurist: Fire punch exists
  133. [18:48:44] %2xTheTap: would do sucker / bb / hp grass / heat wave with insomnia
  134. [18:48:47] %2xTheTap: and LO
  135. [18:48:52] #Jungle Fox: agreed with tap's set
  136. [18:48:54] Hoenn Zach: I like Taps idea
  137. [18:48:58] enemyjurist: Seconded
  138. [18:49:08] Matthew DeAngelis: thirder
  139. nabl plans left
  140. [18:49:15] Matthew DeAngelis: thirded
  141. [18:49:15] +PokemonMasterTJ: yea sucker is better then pusuit
  142. [18:49:16] %2xTheTap: twave is kind of cool if youre doing prankster + hex missy + poison touch muk
  143. [18:49:17] Machoker1: That sounds good
  144. [18:49:21] @Terrakion: Sorry if I don't sound into it, I'm still here. I'm still making this long squad dump post.
  145. [18:49:37] enemyjurist: I almost never use twave murk nowadayd
  146. [18:49:40] Hoenn Zach: Awesome I get to steal Terrak's teams
  147. [18:49:45] Hoenn Zach: I mean wat
  148. [18:49:57] enemyjurist: Ive even used heat wave/sucker/bb/hp grass
  149. [18:50:00] #Jungle Fox: So we have a core
  150. [18:50:03] Machoker1: Cb muk?
  151. [18:50:04] enemyjurist: Without purauit
  152. Slowbroth joined
  153. [18:50:09] %2xTheTap: so you guys want CB Muk + BB / Sucker / Heat Wave / HP Grass murkrow, I assume
  154. [18:50:10] #Jungle Fox: in AoA Murk + CB Muk
  155. [18:50:15] Hoenn Zach: 252 attack 252 speed 4 special attack Naive?
  156. [18:50:24] +PokemonMasterTJ: yes
  157. [18:50:33] +PokemonMasterTJ: 2x
  158. [18:50:47] +PokemonMasterTJ: 2x would kro + muk + probo work also?
  159. [18:50:52] %2xTheTap: can finalize naughty vs naive at the end
  160. [18:50:53] +PokemonMasterTJ: that way it could be cromuk
  161. [18:50:56] %2xTheTap: naughty doesnt miss out on much
  162. [18:51:00] #Jungle Fox: Muk Gunk Shot, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Sleep Talk/Facade/Explosion/Memento maybe?
  163. [18:51:29] %2xTheTap: I like gunk shot / sneak / ice punch / fire punch. murkrow is there as sleep absorb with insomnia too
  164. [18:51:29] #Jungle Fox: wait sleep talk ain't needed as we have a sleep fodder in insomnia krow
  165. [18:51:31] enemyjurist: How much does naughty sucker do to mime?
  166. [18:51:32] %2xTheTap: yes
  167. [18:51:47] Slowbroth: probably ohkos mime tbh
  168. [18:51:51] +PokemonMasterTJ: hi sb
  169. [18:51:55] enemyjurist: Nahhh
  170. [18:51:55] Slowbroth: hai
  171. [18:51:58] Machoker1: Is lO?
  172. [18:52:02] %2xTheTap: 252+ Atk Life Orb Murkrow Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 199-235 (90 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
  173. [18:52:10] enemyjurist: Oml
  174. [18:52:19] %2xTheTap: 252 Atk Life Orb Murkrow Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 181-214 (81.9 - 96.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  175. [18:52:24] Hoenn Zach: 252+ Atk Life Orb Murkrow Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 199-235 (90 - 106.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  176. [18:52:29] enemyjurist: I need to start using cb murkrow
  177. [18:52:35] Hoenn Zach: Ohkos after rocks 30 something before rocks
  178. [18:52:40] +PokemonMasterTJ: 252+ Atk Life Orb Murkrow Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 199-235 (90 - 106.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
  179. [18:52:43] %2xTheTap: lol
  180. [18:52:45] Machoker1: Lel
  181. [18:52:48] enemyjurist: Nice
  182. [18:52:54] +PokemonMasterTJ: I think u guys forgot naughty
  183. [18:52:54] Machoker1: How to post the same calc 3 times
  184. [18:53:04] +PokemonMasterTJ: o nvm
  185. [18:53:06] %2xTheTap: let's try naughty for now, and we can creep speed at end to see if anything is too damaging
  186. [18:53:18] Slowbroth: are we hp fight or hp grass krow?
  187. [18:53:23] enemyjurist: Grass
  188. [18:53:25] Hoenn Zach: HP Grass
  189. [18:53:25] Matthew DeAngelis: grass
  190. [18:53:26] %2xTheTap: Hp Grass for Golem
  191. [18:53:29] #Jungle Fox: as of now we need a ground check asap
  192. [18:53:35] enemyjurist: Since pawn isnt very common
  193. [18:53:35] #Jungle Fox: as we do have lures
  194. [18:53:41] #Jungle Fox: but doesn't tank hits at all
  195. [18:53:43] %2xTheTap: it's more for probo, ej
  196. [18:53:53] enemyjurist: Its a 2hko, yeah
  197. [18:53:53] Slowbroth: hmm, so without hp fight, probo is more of a switch in
  198. [18:54:00] Slowbroth: oops sniped
  199. [18:54:12] enemyjurist: Maybe our own probo would be good
  200. [18:54:14] Matthew DeAngelis: how about gourg for the ground weaknes
  201. [18:54:16] +PokemonMasterTJ: we could add ferno later on
  202. [18:54:17] enemyjurist: Max max timid
  203. [18:54:26] Hoenn Zach: I was thinking about Probo, but we are already weak af to golem
  204. [18:54:27] enemyjurist: To trap opposing probos
  205. [18:54:29] +PokemonMasterTJ: I was thnking leafeon
  206. [18:54:32] #Jungle Fox: same
  207. [18:54:32] Matthew DeAngelis: gourgesit
  208. [18:54:33] enemyjurist: Air balloon
  209. [18:54:34] %2xTheTap: ground check - Leafeon is fairly standard for that
  210. [18:54:38] +PokemonMasterTJ: yes
  211. [18:54:44] #Jungle Fox: however Lumi is also very cool
  212. [18:54:48] Hoenn Zach: Yeah Leafeon is the best ground check imo
  213. [18:54:51] #Jungle Fox: gives water check, defogger + pivot
  214. [18:54:52] +PokemonMasterTJ: lumi gives defog
  215. [18:54:52] %2xTheTap: I like Lumi for defog with murkrow
  216. [18:54:54] Machoker1: How much does golem take from ic3 punch?
  217. [18:54:57] #Jungle Fox: which is appreciated for murk
  218. [18:55:01] Matthew DeAngelis: leaf and gourg do good for ground check
  219. [18:55:21] %2xTheTap: 252+ Atk Choice Band Muk Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Golem: 184-218 (61.1 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  220. [18:55:26] Hoenn Zach: Lumineon is definately an option
  221. [18:55:32] Machoker1: We can do hp fighting tbh
  222. [18:55:34] enemyjurist: This is a more offensive team so far
  223. [18:55:35] +PokemonMasterTJ: we could go vibra also
  224. [18:55:39] enemyjurist: So i would prefer leaf
  225. [18:55:47] #Jungle Fox: i generally dislike vibrava cuz i
  226. [18:56:01] Machoker1: Hp fightimg still hurts golem enough and does way more to probo no?
  227. [18:56:04] #Jungle Fox: tend to struggle using non-ground type electric resists (there are like 4 though)
  228. [18:56:09] #Jungle Fox: hp grass hits relicanth though
  229. [18:56:12] #Jungle Fox: which is far more common
  230. [18:56:14] %2xTheTap: with Leafeon, Murkrow, Muk, need a Mr. Mime switchin
  231. [18:56:23] %2xTheTap: same if you do lumi over leaf
  232. [18:56:39] %2xTheTap: you can check mr mime with cb sneak
  233. [18:56:46] #Jungle Fox: and lo sucker
  234. [18:56:50] +PokemonMasterTJ: yea
  235. [18:56:51] enemyjurist: Offensive mime check, or mime counter?
  236. [18:56:58] +PokemonMasterTJ: is it scarf leafeon?
  237. [18:56:59] #Jungle Fox: we need a switch in
  238. [18:57:02] Hoenn Zach: Sucker and CB Sneak should deal with it
  239. [18:57:04] #Jungle Fox: we have 2 checks already
  240. [18:57:07] enemyjurist: Cuz we have 3 mime checks
  241. [18:57:11] Hoenn Zach: What Leafeon set are we running?
  242. [18:57:12] #Jungle Fox: we have 2
  243. [18:57:20] enemyjurist: Leafeon soft checks
  244. [18:57:22] +PokemonMasterTJ: I assume scarf
  245. [18:57:59] Machoker1: Metang? Gives us rocks the mime switch in and a normal resist
  246. [18:58:08] %2xTheTap: I like SD or scarf (still undecided) leafeon / murkrow / muk / lumineon possibly / probo or metang
  247. [18:58:12] enemyjurist: We already have a pursuiter
  248. [18:58:17] enemyjurist: Wait
  249. [18:58:18] @Terrakion: okie im done
  250. [18:58:19] Machoker1: No
  251. [18:58:20] enemyjurist: No we dont
  252. [18:58:23] +PokemonMasterTJ: I sad probo
  253. [18:58:26] enemyjurist: Tang sounds good
  254. [18:58:27] +PokemonMasterTJ: I said*
  255. [18:58:34] +PokemonMasterTJ: but tang may be better
  256. [18:58:34] Machoker1: Probo gets boped by the fb
  257. [18:58:35] @Terrakion: only could find 4 teams tho :/
  258. [18:58:38] @Terrakion: where are we now?
  259. [18:58:44] %2xTheTap: CB Muk for sure
  260. [18:58:50] enemyjurist: And murk for sure
  261. [18:58:55] %2xTheTap: BB / Sucker / HP Grass / Heat Wave LO Naughty Insomnia Murkrow
  262. [18:59:04] %2xTheTap: A SR user, most likely metang or probopass
  263. [18:59:09] +PokemonMasterTJ: !dt murkrow
  264.  
  265. LC Uber Murkrow DarkFlying Insomnia
  266. Super LuckPranksterHP
  267. 60 Atk
  268. 85 Def
  269. 42 SpA
  270. 85 SpD
  271. 42 Spe
  272. 91 BST
  273. 405
  274.  
  275. Dex#: 198 |  Gen: 2 |  Height: 0.5 m |  Weight: 2.1 kg (20 BP) |  Dex Colour: Black |  Egg Group(s): Flying |  Evolution: Honchkrow (1)
  276. [18:59:09] Hoenn Zach: Murk Muk Leafeon
  277. [18:59:20] +PokemonMasterTJ: I love kro
  278. [18:59:24] #Jungle Fox: Metang seems the best as of no
  279. [18:59:26] enemyjurist: And a ground check
  280. [18:59:31] #Jungle Fox: cuz it provides solid ice check
  281. [18:59:33] %2xTheTap: Possibly Leafeon, possibly Lumineon, Volt Stop
  282. [18:59:35] #Jungle Fox: and ice types are threatening
  283. [18:59:45] enemyjurist: Well
  284. [18:59:51] Machoker1: Yea metang is a nic3 role compression mon
  285. [18:59:54] enemyjurist: Muk eats any hit from an ice type
  286. [19:00:01] Matthew DeAngelis: i like metang here
  287. [19:00:02] enemyjurist: And murk does a lot of damage
  288. [19:00:40] @Terrakion: Muk gets worn down faster. And I'm pretty sure something like Articuno should do a good amount of damage to it.
  289. [19:00:41] Hoenn Zach: I think we should also have more than just Murk to check Ferno
  290. [19:00:42] enemyjurist: What tang set? Pursuit/sr/meteor/eq?
  291. [19:01:22] Hoenn Zach: I guess Muk checks it, but Muk can only switch in so many times
  292. [19:01:32] @Terrakion: 252 SpA Articuno Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Muk: 145-172 (35 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  293. [19:01:38] #Jungle Fox: i prefer Lumi as of now
  294. [19:01:42] %2xTheTap: what if, rather than using defog + leafeon, we used cacturne and added a couple of monferno checks?
  295. [19:01:58] enemyjurist: Darkspam, eh?
  296. [19:02:02] enemyjurist: Idk
  297. [19:02:03] Hoenn Zach: 2x so turn it into a darkspam
  298. [19:02:11] %2xTheTap: or would you rather use lumineon to keep murk alive longer?
  299. [19:02:17] enemyjurist: We definitely want defog for murk
  300. [19:02:19] @Terrakion: But workshop thread already got a dark spam team
  301. [19:02:22] @Terrakion: :(
  302. [19:02:23] %2xTheTap: fair enough
  303. [19:02:28] %2xTheTap: let's go JF's route then
  304. [19:02:32] enemyjurist: I guess cacturne+swanna would work
  305. [19:02:35] @Terrakion: Your idea is still good
  306. [19:02:40] @Terrakion: just let the thread be more diverse
  307. [19:02:44] @Terrakion: imo
  308. [19:02:46] %2xTheTap: yeah, that's fine by me
  309. [19:02:48] enemyjurist: I mean
  310. [19:02:50] Machoker1: Need a wag to being murk in tho no? With LO it cant come in to any atks
  311. [19:02:54] enemyjurist: If cacturnw works
  312. [19:02:56] enemyjurist: It works
  313. [19:02:57] Machoker1: Way to bring
  314. [19:03:03] #Jungle Fox: Muk / Murk / Lumi / Metang is that how the team is rn?
  315. enemyjurist left
  316. [19:03:19] %2xTheTap: with the possibility of probopass over metang, for slow volt switch that would allow murkrow to come in easier
  317. [19:03:25] Slowbroth: A volt absorber would be nice
  318. [19:03:26] %2xTheTap: something along those lines, yeah
  319. [19:03:34] Slowbroth: and some speed
  320. [19:03:38] %2xTheTap: Zeb
  321. [19:03:41] Slowbroth: ^
  322. [19:03:44] Matthew DeAngelis: yeah
  323. [19:03:48] +PokemonMasterTJ: we can go fisk over tang or even add golem
  324. [19:04:00] #Jungle Fox: idk
  325. [19:04:04] #Jungle Fox: Metang is kinda nice
  326. [19:04:08] Machoker1: Nah cause then we lose the mime and ice switch
  327. [19:04:11] #Jungle Fox: as those 2 would make the team even more ice weak
  328. [19:04:25] #Jungle Fox: and slow it down (due Golem probs being tank, cuz lead is counterproductive)
  329. [19:04:28] +PokemonMasterTJ: yea but then u could ass ferno
  330. [19:04:32] +PokemonMasterTJ: add*
  331. [19:04:50] #Jungle Fox: well, this way we slow the team a lot though
  332. [19:04:51] +PokemonMasterTJ: Mime + rotom f is kinda annoying
  333. [19:05:59] Hoenn Zach: So we have Murkrow CB Muk Tank Metang and Physdef Lumi so far right?
  334. [19:06:09] +PokemonMasterTJ: yes
  335. [19:06:09] #Jungle Fox: i guess so
  336. [19:06:17] Matthew DeAngelis: i thot we had leaf on there?
  337. [19:06:29] Hoenn Zach: Metang = Meteor Mash, Rocks, Pursuit and what else?
  338. [19:06:36] @Terrakion: BP
  339. [19:06:43] @Terrakion: Bullet Punch
  340. [19:06:44] Matthew DeAngelis: eq or bp?
  341. [19:06:50] %2xTheTap: EQ for probo
  342. [19:06:55] Hoenn Zach: Dont discount EQ
  343. [19:06:57] +PokemonMasterTJ: eq for probo
  344. [19:07:04] Hoenn Zach: The team has some trouble with Probo
  345. [19:07:32] Hoenn Zach: and we already have plenty of priority with Murkrow and Muk
  346. [19:08:26] Matthew DeAngelis: what are the ev's on muk btw?
  347. [19:08:38] %2xTheTap: enough to creep defensive vibrava at 174 speed total is a possibility
  348. [19:08:47] %2xTheTap: as CB Ice Punch OHKOes it
  349. [19:09:27] Matthew DeAngelis: so 104 HP, 252 Atk, and 152 Spe, to get 174 speed on it
  350. [19:09:28] Matthew DeAngelis: ?
  351. [19:09:32] +PokemonMasterTJ: I was thnking chin as the elec check also gives slow volturn into murk
  352. [19:09:39] %2xTheTap: I made this
  353. [19:09:41] %2xTheTap: very preliminary
  354. [19:09:41] %2xTheTap: but
  355. [19:09:43] %2xTheTap: http://hastebin.com/aketululog.diff
  356. [19:10:05] +PokemonMasterTJ: maybe chin over zeb?
  357. [19:10:32] Matthew DeAngelis: then the team is somewhat slow i think
  358. [19:10:36] Machoker1: Do we have anyway to beat stall?
  359. [19:10:43] #Jungle Fox: muk
  360. [19:10:46] #Jungle Fox: murkrow
  361. [19:10:48] +PokemonMasterTJ: muk kro
  362. [19:10:54] Hoenn Zach: Break it with Muk and Murkro
  363. [19:11:14] +PokemonMasterTJ: slow volturn into murk is nice
  364. [19:11:22] %2xTheTap: would you change anything from that hastebin?
  365. [19:11:28] %2xTheTap: or is that kind of the direction we were heading
  366. [19:11:34] +PokemonMasterTJ: yes just chin over zeb
  367. [19:11:48] +PokemonMasterTJ: rotom- frost pressures the team
  368. [19:13:02] %2xTheTap: it's kind of iffy, no real setup options in that hastebin
  369. [19:13:09] %2xTheTap: and chinchou makes it sort of passive
  370. [19:13:09] Machoker1: Whata our monferno switchin?
  371. [19:13:16] +PokemonMasterTJ: lumi
  372. [19:13:32] %2xTheTap: swanna may work, if youre using scarf leafeon against floatzel
  373. [19:13:47] %2xTheTap: but then rotom-f just spams blizz lol
  374. [19:13:58] Machoker1: But lumi gets 2hko with rocks and lo
  375. [19:14:38] Matthew DeAngelis: how about altaria?
  376. [19:14:43] +PokemonMasterTJ: n
  377. [19:14:47] Hoenn Zach: Nah
  378. [19:15:00] +PokemonMasterTJ: who wants to test with me
  379. [19:15:11] %2xTheTap: okay then, why not grumpig for rotom-f and monf?
  380. [19:15:24] Machoker1: Instead of?
  381. [19:15:40] Matthew DeAngelis: what's the team rn?
  382. [19:15:44] Hoenn Zach: I assume we are talking about replacing something on the hastebin with grumpig
  383. [19:15:49] +PokemonMasterTJ: http://hastebin.com/aketululog.diff
  384. [19:16:13] %2xTheTap: speed on metang is for probopass + mawile btw
  385. [19:16:23] %2xTheTap: speed on lumineon is for +spe nature cacturne
  386. @Terrakion left
  387. [19:16:29] %2xTheTap: Muk speed is for def vibrava
  388. [19:16:42] %2xTheTap: you could use protect on lumineon
  389. [19:16:48] %2xTheTap: to make those 50/50s on rotom-f easier
  390. [19:16:53] %2xTheTap: (blizzard or volt switch)
  391. [19:16:56] %2xTheTap: and then switch accordingly
  392. [19:17:00] %2xTheTap: to metang or to zeb
  393. [19:17:08] #Jungle Fox: we could maybe go
  394. [19:17:24] #Jungle Fox: grumpig > leafeon
  395. [19:17:39] Hoenn Zach: Im not sure
  396. [19:17:42] Matthew DeAngelis: then were weak to golem
  397. [19:17:45] #Jungle Fox: though we'd have to pick a rocker that has good matchup
  398. [19:17:47] Hoenn Zach: Leaf is one of our few ways to check grounds
  399. [19:17:48] #Jungle Fox: against ground types
  400. [19:17:52] #Jungle Fox: such as Solrock, Prinplup
  401. [19:17:54] #Jungle Fox: gabite
  402. [19:18:09] Matthew DeAngelis: gabite over metang?
  403. [19:18:12] #Jungle Fox: however such limited options
  404. [19:18:21] #Jungle Fox: gabite, solrock, prinplup, marowak is p much all we've got
  405. [19:18:41] %2xTheTap: magnet rise / air balloon probo can pressure certain ground types
  406. [19:18:53] Matthew DeAngelis: we could replace metang with prinplup and replace lumi with grumpig
  407. [19:19:01] %2xTheTap: and can be used together with prinplup to allow for magnet rise or taunt
  408. [19:19:20] +PokemonMasterTJ: I like that
  409. [19:19:57] Machoker1: Ok ao
  410. [19:20:04] Machoker1: Stunfisk is a big problem
  411. [19:20:11] Machoker1: For the team
  412. [19:20:22] +PokemonMasterTJ: magnet rise / air balloon probo
  413. [19:20:37] +PokemonMasterTJ: plus leafeon
  414. [19:21:12] %2xTheTap: just changing it slightly
  415. [19:21:14] %2xTheTap: http://hastebin.com/sexuqumaba.diff
  416. [19:21:16] Machoker1: But that auto para
  417. [19:21:54] %2xTheTap: you can also try toxic zebstrika for stunfisk
  418. [19:22:23] %2xTheTap: or like encore raichu if you were really worried about stunfisk
  419. [19:22:29] #Jungle Fox: imo
  420. [19:22:37] #Jungle Fox: signal beam prinplup
  421. [19:22:39] Hoenn Zach: Does Probo need all that speed?
  422. [19:22:43] #Jungle Fox: team is kinda cacturne weak as of now
  423. [19:22:55] %2xTheTap: rises above adamant 252 golem's eqs and pressures
  424. [19:23:06] Hoenn Zach: Ok
  425. [19:23:09] %2xTheTap: it's possible to use it, at the very least
  426. [19:23:12] %2xTheTap: but you don't have to
  427. [19:23:40] %2xTheTap: okay, prin --> signal beam prin for cac
  428. [19:24:02] %2xTheTap: have shadow sneak muk + sucker naughty LO murk + zeb + scarf leafeon
  429. [19:24:06] %2xTheTap: speed isn't much of an issue
  430. OPTICAL REAL joined
  431. [19:24:20] %2xTheTap: sup optical
  432. [19:24:37] OPTICAL REAL: Hey tap
  433. [19:24:57] Hoenn Zach: Whats power gem hit?
  434. [19:25:00] %2xTheTap: rotom-f
  435. [19:25:19] Hoenn Zach: I might change that to Flash Canon
  436. [19:25:40] %2xTheTap: without volt switch, it's kind of troubling to rely on flash cannon for rotom-f and other fliers
  437. [19:25:50] %2xTheTap: though it does hit spdef golem harder
  438. OPTICAL REAL left
  439. [19:26:06] %2xTheTap: (clefairy is also taunted out of setup, softboiled, twave)
  440. [19:26:36] %2xTheTap: http://hastebin.com/utadiqowik.diff - @junglefox / @slowbroth any input?
  441. OPTICAL REAL joined
  442. [19:26:57] #Jungle Fox: agreed with Hoenn Power gem vs flash cannon is difficult
  443. [19:27:09] #Jungle Fox: well
  444. [19:27:16] #Jungle Fox: clefairy ain't a problem with muk though
  445. [19:27:24] #Jungle Fox: and you can always taunt it
  446. [19:27:31] #Jungle Fox: so yeah, power gem seems better
  447. [19:27:48] Hoenn Zach: In general I like Flash Cannon better, but Power Gem seems to work out better for this team
  448. [19:27:49] Slowbroth: i could see grumpig being annoying
  449. [19:28:24] Slowbroth: tough to switch into without a dedicated psychic+fighting resist
  450. [19:28:44] %2xTheTap: yeah, it would just twave rather than trying to hit muk with psychic due to murkrow's presence
  451. [19:29:05] %2xTheTap: but with double priority, and murkrow + leafeon + leafeon, I think you can play around it
  452. [19:29:30] %2xTheTap: absorb twaves with zeb, slap it with leaf blade or knock with leaf, or hit it with priority with CB sneak or LO sucker
  453. [19:29:32] Hoenn Zach: I wish we could have 2 leafeons
  454. [19:30:28] #Jungle Fox: taunt toxic seems actually more annoying than taunt twave
  455. [19:30:56] %2xTheTap: I think people stopped using taunt toxic more or less, unless stall grumpig
  456. [19:30:57] #Jungle Fox: slowly wears down Leafeon and Murkrow, Focus Blast hits Probo n Murk, Psychic hits everything else
  457. %pancake joined
  458. [19:34:36] %pancake: how did it go?
  459. [19:34:36] #Jungle Fox: has some flaws (nothing is easy, hah)
  460. [19:34:39] #Jungle Fox: but seems cool
  461. [19:34:50] Machoker1: I took it on a test run
  462. [19:34:59] Machoker1: And i got thw dumb boomburst team
  463. [19:35:00] Machoker1: Lol
  464. [19:35:07] #Jungle Fox: lmao
  465. [19:35:10] %pancake: Rof
  466. [19:35:12] %2xTheTap: murkrow is the dedicated psychic resist, and there are 3 checks to grumpig, so I'm not sure it's totally unaccounted for or needs changes to fix for grumpig
  467. [19:35:13] %2xTheTap: lol
  468. [19:35:17] Machoker1: Still won tho
  469. [19:35:22] %2xTheTap: nice
  470. [19:35:30] %2xTheTap: @pancake - sort of what we came up with
  471. [19:35:33] %pancake: I mean you have probo
  472. [19:35:35] %2xTheTap: with a few variations
  473. [19:35:36] %2xTheTap: http://hastebin.com/utadiqowik.diff
  474. [19:35:43] %pancake: I saw
  475. [19:35:46] %pancake: it looks good!
  476. [19:35:54] %pancake: don't forget the post in thread JF
  477. [19:35:59] %pancake: did everyone stay on topic for once
  478. [19:36:03] %2xTheTap: yes
  479. [19:36:07] %pancake: and not debate about the last two mons for 45 min
  480. [19:36:08] %pancake: good
  481. [19:36:16] %pancake: ! someone post 3:
  482. %pancake left
  483. [19:36:22] %2xTheTap: ...
  484. [19:36:24] Hoenn Zach: We talked about our undying love for JF for 10 seconds after you left
  485. [19:36:48] Hoenn Zach: jk
  486. [19:36:58] %2xTheTap: you could honestly make it more offensive and try swanna over lumineon, but might compound some weaknesses
  487. [19:37:14] Machoker1: We already got the team for the team building competition since the next core is murkrow xD
  488. [19:37:33] Hoenn Zach: We should all go on there and post this team
  489. Slowbroth left
  490. [19:38:08] #Jungle Fox: wait
  491. [19:38:10] #Jungle Fox: post what?
  492. [19:38:11] #Jungle Fox: lmao
  493. [19:38:44] #Jungle Fox: who is in mood to post? I'm so sleepy rn
  494. [19:40:06] %2xTheTap: I could
  495. +PokemonMasterTJ joined; +PokemonMasterTJ left
  496. [19:40:59] +PokemonMasterTJ: good workshop guys
  497. [19:41:18] Hoenn Zach: It was fun
  498. [19:42:09] #Jungle Fox: ty tap
  499. [19:43:05] Matthew DeAngelis: ty every one
  500. [19:44:31] Hoenn Zach: Regice is super dangerous once Muk gets weakened
  501. [19:44:38] Machoker1: I won all my matches with it
  502. [19:44:44] Machoker1: But not comfortably
  503. [19:45:09] Machoker1: I feel like i need the volt switch on the probo
  504. stally offense left
  505. [19:49:42] %2xTheTap: okay, over magnet rise?
  506. [19:50:29] Machoker1: Idk lol magnet rise is nice to trap metang
  507. [19:50:41] Machoker1: And probos and stuff
  508. [19:51:18] Machoker1: Also the max speed is to outspeed wah?
  509. [19:51:28] %2xTheTap: adamant golem
  510. Matthew DeAngelis left
  511. [19:52:18] %2xTheTap: there is one last problem that may require some input
  512. [19:52:23] %2xTheTap: no setup
  513. [19:52:44] %2xTheTap: without a real wincon, clear path to winning is almost just removing steels
  514. [19:53:43] Machoker1: Np raichu?
  515. #Jungle Fox left
  516. [19:54:34] Machoker1: We already got scarf leaf to revenge kill floatzel and other speedsters
  517. [19:55:08] %2xTheTap: I would be generally happy with that
  518. [19:55:33] %2xTheTap: NP raichu isn't used much anymore, but breaks so many slow defensive cores
  519. [19:55:52] %2xTheTap: even if they have trapinch, just NP HP ice takes it down pretty far and means it's not reliable
  520. [19:55:52] Machoker1: It does it.
  521. [19:56:04] Machoker1: The fact that it can blow past the pr3mier sp wall
  522. [19:56:09] Machoker1: Is money
  523. [19:56:22] %2xTheTap: yeah, beating audino is nice
  524. [19:56:28] %2xTheTap: whereas zeb just flails and loses HP
  525. [19:56:42] Machoker1: Ill try np raichu
  526. [19:56:45] %2xTheTap: okay
  527. [19:57:09] Machoker1: Hp ice
  528. [19:57:13] Machoker1: Or grass knot
  529. [19:57:38] +PokemonMasterTJ: ice
  530. [19:58:16] Machoker1: Is taunt for clelf?
  531. [19:58:20] Machoker1: On probo
  532. [19:58:55] Machoker1: O look what i found
  533. [19:58:57] Machoker1: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-pu-449116290
  534. nabl plans joined; nabl plans left
  535. [20:09:51] Machoker1: Seems like probos are everywhere
  536. [20:10:00] Machoker1: Im tempted to go hp fifhting on murk
  537. [20:10:01] Hoenn Zach: Machoker I have another team that I feel is fairly good if you wanna test some more
  538. [20:10:42] Machoker1: Sure in a sec
  539. +PokemonMasterTJ and Machoker1 left
  540. [20:35:08] Hoenn Zach: So with the Probo spread we have rn, Bulky DD Altaria sets up on it and 6-0s the team
  541. Hoenn Zach left
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