*** aim [~cgiirc@a.o.l] has joined #ratemyteam
*** Topic is: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/kevin-cronin-stall.3480739/ <- Whoa!
*** Topic set by Jirachee [Fri Apr 17 00:41:40 2015]
*** aim @IronBullet93 TCD Minus LighTz911 @Reymedy supermarth64 Shaian %Bouffalant +Leftiez &tab Jeff Tanner Arkani &Porygon2
*** mode/#ratemyteam [+o aim] by Porygon2
*** Channel created on Mon Nov 28 10:16:26 2011
*** trinitrotoluene [~ripples@synIRC-22BCE165.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ratemyteam
*** mode/#ratemyteam [+o trinitrotoluene] by Porygon2
*** IronBullet93 [m@rried.to.ium] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
*** sid [s@m.and.ironbullet93.are.beautiful] has joined #ratemyteam
*** mode/#ratemyteam [+o sid] by Porygon2
*** sid is now known as Dx
*** Dx is now known as sid
*** Repeater1947 [Mibbit@2851972.E9C62B21.217FFA7.IP] has joined #ratemyteam
*** Bouffalant [Bouffalant@synIRC-A7C0181A.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds]
*** sid left #ratemyteam []
<aim> :]
<trinitrotoluene> .
<trinitrotoluene> ok good, i haven’t disconnected.
*** Reymedy [~Reymedy@synIRC-CD2A7BF2.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 181 seconds]
<trinitrotoluene> does anyone here have a mibbit link to this channel?
<aim> lol
<aim> http://cgiirc.synirc.net/irc.cgi
<aim> use this
<aim> and join
<aim> #ratemyteam
<trinitrotoluene> k, going to let some peeps know rn.
*** synGuest075 [~cgiirc@synIRC-55406ECE.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ratemyteam
*** synGuest075 is now known as brokenwings
*** m00ns [~cgiirc@synIRC-EE3751C2.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ratemyteam
*** synGuest457 [~cgiirc@synIRC-E1D1F2DC.res.bhn.net] has joined #ratemyteam
<trinitrotoluene> aww yiss, it worked a bit!
*** Funkyman99 [~cgiirc@synIRC-A451FED5.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ratemyteam
*** Exeggutor [~Exeggutor@seeds.or.eggs] has joined #ratemyteam
<aim> Hello frens
<trinitrotoluene> welcome to today’s #ratemyteam workshop.
*** synGuest457 is now known as Mawiltie
*** PikaAss [~cgiirc@synIRC-F297D847.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ratemyteam
<aim> since this is our first time, we apologize for how it may be lol
*** Progamerfiles [~cgiirc@synIRC-D8E199DF.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ratemyteam
<PikaAss> hello
<aim> hello horse
<Progamerfiles> Hello ppl
<Mawiltie> Ello peoples
<Funkyman99> hi
*** DerTwist [DerTwist@synIRC-60181864.as43234.net] has joined #ratemyteam
<Exeggutor> tnt !!
<Funkyman99> whos aim
<trinitrotoluene> well, tbf, this isn’t my first time, but the last #ratemyteam workshop i partially hosted was over 2 years ago lol
<Mawiltie> WElp
<trinitrotoluene> *first time hosting
<aim> lol
<Mawiltie> I can see hell happening
<aim> well then you better start it off fren
<trinitrotoluene> sure then.
<trinitrotoluene> lag check
<trinitrotoluene> http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-dream-team-1600-and-rising.3535607/
<trinitrotoluene> aight aim, any immediate weaknesses?
<aim> one sec
<Exeggutor> .
<trinitrotoluene> i’d say it’s weak to coba + hp rock serp, but that’s pretty niche imo.
<aim> well
<aim> this is a pretty cool HO team
<aim> im kinda iffy about
<aim> the whole tflame + only relying on
<aim> mega diancie to bounce back rocks
*** Flonne [~Rozykli@synIRC-1511D2B5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ratemyteam
<aim> i dont feel like raikou
<aim> really does much for his team
<aim> and he has no keldeo switch ins
<aim> so something i'd say is probably replacing raikou w/ latias/os
<aim> gives him a defoger, keldeo switch in, mega manectric check. thundy check, power draco etc
<aim> obviously he loses out on an electric type to deal with manaphy but raikou doesnt 0k0 it anyway and is easily worn down
<trinitrotoluene> i’d say latias is better because healing wish support looks super nice for his team imo.
<Mawiltie> I feel sand excadrill can do something to this team
<aim> yeh which is why
<aim> hw lati
<aim> works even better
<aim> helping chomper a ton
<aim> vs sand
<aim> his manaphy
<aim> is a bit obscure as welll
<aim> the spread, anyway
<aim> but i suppose it tanks hits
<aim> while still hitting hard
<aim> giving him a second or third bird check
<aim> and sitll being able to sponge hits from excadrill etc
<aim> probably would buff up the speed a bit t outspeed bisharp
<aim> and things around that area
*** Funkyman99 [~cgiirc@synIRC-A451FED5.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC]
<trinitrotoluene> i think some spdef investment for chomper would be nice. 252 / 252 is pretty overkill imo.
<aim> didnt even notice
<aim> his chomps speed
<aim> er spread
<aim> im not sure ho wuseful spdef is
*** TCD [~TCD@synIRC-411AB992.sjc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 188 seconds]
<brokenwings> i think a bulkier bisharp spread might be worth considering too since he has nothing to take hits from latis really
<aim> but it definitely needs speed
<aim> for bisharp
<aim> and other atkers its supposed to beat
<aim> mainly bisharp
<trinitrotoluene> oh yea, that’s probably better in this case.
<aim> so hitting 264
<aim> is the speed mark it should hit
<aim> as bulky chomp is meant for birds, physical atkers and bisharp
<trinitrotoluene> the .standard 252 hp / 164 def / 92 spe marker should be ok.
<aim> its HO's check
<aim> yeh
<trinitrotoluene> it hits 263, so that’s fine.
<aim> y
<aim> and i second the
<aim> buliker bisharp
<aim> or maybe even
<aim> AV
<aim> so its not a 50/50
<aim> and you can keep spamming pursuit
<trinitrotoluene> ye, av looks best on his team.
<brokenwings> yea thats what iwas thinking
*** Ether [Ether@synIRC-A8C8BA71.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ratemyteam
*** mode/#ratemyteam [+o Ether] by Porygon2
<trinitrotoluene> let me calc something…
<aim> k
<Mawiltie> I calced sand excadrill for the manphy spread.. It 2hkos the manaphy while manaphy ohkoing the exca is a roll
<aim> that means
<aim> u calcd orb
<aim> correct?
<aim> he has
<trinitrotoluene> @_@ i thought i had an av sharp spread ready
<aim> priority sucker
<aim> defensive garchomp
<aim> and even priority bb if worse coems to worse
<aim> i think hes fine vs sand
<aim> and sand isnt super common
<trinitrotoluene> ah
<trinitrotoluene> got it
<trinitrotoluene> 192 hp / 220 atk / 96 spe.
<aim> what does
<aim> that do fren
<trinitrotoluene> iirc, this was an old ctc spread that lets bisharp creep max speed azumarill and avoid the ohko from a +1 hp fire from latios.
<brokenwings> thts the spread on the analysis i think
<trinitrotoluene> of course, i factored av into that calc.
<trinitrotoluene> blah
<aim> ah
<aim> sounds nice
<aim> honestly i think we talked enough
<aim> about that team lol
<aim> like to sum it up
<aim> HW/defog lati > raikou (is a nice fit) and he can run AV bisharp so solve some problems
<aim> and chnage chomps
<aim> spread
<Leftiez> is latias running roost on your set ?
<trinitrotoluene> 252 hp / 164 def / 92 spe for chomper
<aim> usually no
<aim> but he can
<Repeater1947> gotta have to say that opposing mega diancie may be annoying to deal with once manaphy and AV bisharp weakened imo, btw.
<aim> thats about playing smart though
<Leftiez> because otherwise it might be cool to get toxic on chomp, his team can struggle against bulky ground
<aim> hes not really using
<aim> balance
<aim> wlel its sorta
<aim> balance
<Leftiez> such as hippowdon
<aim> toxic is a nice fit
<Leftiez> or lando
<aim> @lefties
<aim> y
<aim> though lando is worn down by chomp
<aim> but yeh
<aim> toxic is nice
<Mawiltie> I think running latias because of will o wisp mons for something like bisharp getting burned
<aim> for fat hippo
<brokenwings> yea i was thinking that too, he doesnt need fire blast as much imo
<brokenwings> and slowbro/hippo seems like it could annoy a lot of his team
<brokenwings> tho he does have manaphy
<trinitrotoluene> i’m not a big fan of his talonflame evs.
<aim> do they
<aim> outspeed raikou
<aim> ?
<trinitrotoluene> ye.
<Leftiez> also toxic prevent latias from coming and get trapped
<Leftiez> which is good
<trinitrotoluene> wait.
<trinitrotoluene> ye, they do.
<aim> if they outspeed raikou i think hes fine
<aim> and yeah i like the noition
<aim> of toxic
<trinitrotoluene> i forgot that he has chomper to check opposing birds.
<aim> and diancie
<aim> bar the rate
<aim> steel wing.
<aim> rare*
<trinitrotoluene> a smaller nitpick he can do is max out talonflame’s speed to beat weavile, but again, that’s a personal nitpick.
<aim> yeh but at best
<aim> ice shard does
<aim> 30-40ish
<trinitrotoluene> good point.
<Leftiez> steel wing is not bad rlly
<Leftiez> but in this case, why not just use av gross
<Leftiez> allows him to check azu
<Leftiez> and fairy such as diancie
<Leftiez> or garde
<Leftiez> and still has pursuit
<aim> but helps him less vs
<aim> excadrill
<aim> and knock off spam
<aim> idk
<trinitrotoluene> so, the tl;dr as of now is: hwish latias > raikou for hazard removal + free revive, chomper ev optimizations (current ev spread > 252 hp / 164 def / 92 spe) + toxic > fire blast, av + bulkier ev spread (192 hp / 220 atk / 96 spe) > black glasses + fast evs.
<Leftiez> true but steel winng might be too overcentralized maybe
<aim> yeh
<Leftiez> and it can still fail at doing his job
<Leftiez> if revealed on protect
<Leftiez> or switch
<Leftiez> and he can check most of knock of user
<Leftiez> i mean Bisharp is revenge killed by diancie
<Leftiez> and garchomp does a lot of amage
<Leftiez> Torna T and Thundy are both cheked by diancie/tias/gross
*** m00ns [~cgiirc@synIRC-EE3751C2.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC]
<Leftiez> so this is maybe more an advantage
<aim> i think gross could be an optional switch, definitely
<Leftiez> only disadvantage is maybe reuniclus but the team is putting too much pressure
<Leftiez> and gross can still check it and get the boost
<Leftiez> with meteor mash
<aim> yeh
<aim> and losing deofg boost
<aim> but yeh
<Leftiez> yes also
<trinitrotoluene> then again, the only hazard on the team is sr.
<Leftiez> also
<Leftiez> bp make you safer
<trinitrotoluene> bisharp isn’t as necessary.
<Leftiez> against altaria
<Leftiez> or garde
*** brokenwings [~cgiirc@synIRC-55406ECE.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)]
<Leftiez> Meteor mash / bullet punch / pursuit / Hammer Arm or Zen headbutt
<Leftiez> but HA is best coverage
<aim> its
<aim> kinda weak tho
<aim> but yeh
<aim> it can work i suppose
<trinitrotoluene> alright.
<Leftiez> well it hit 404 attack
<Leftiez> i mean it's not bad
<Leftiez> but it's ur call
<aim> yh
<trinitrotoluene> i’ll mark av gross > av sharp as an optional change for now if nobody’s in disagreement.
<aim> up to the person of course
<aim> works fine
<aim> i thinkboth work
<aim> and both have their pros and cons
<aim> which team is next friend
<aim> damn that took
<aim> almost half an hour
<aim> lol
<Mawiltie> lol
<Leftiez> xd
<aim> then again a rate takes time lol
<Mawiltie> I like how we say we rap it up but we take 15 more minutes or so
<trinitrotoluene> not a team, but here’s the thread w/ teams in it:
<trinitrotoluene> http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ratemyteam-workshop.3536498/
<trinitrotoluene> i picked the last team, so you pick this time imo.
<Leftiez> yh you have to analyse then find weakness then find the appropriate suggest
<Leftiez> ect
<aim> http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/absolutely-offensive-peaked-1618.3534874/
<aim> yeh
<aim> without changing
<aim> the nature of the team
<aim> much
<Leftiez> ofc
<trinitrotoluene> oh
<trinitrotoluene> this was the team the op asked me to rate a few weeks back.
<trinitrotoluene> i kinda forgot to do so.
<trinitrotoluene> @_@
<aim> lol
<aim> wel first off
<aim> i see no water resist
<aim> bar keldeo
<aim> and yu dont switch in keldeo on keldeo
<aim> keldeo
<aim> azu
<aim> bth huge threats
<aim> im honestly thinking about replacing tran or scizor with something that can beat those 2 + not let altaria
<aim> set up on em
<aim> absol is cool though
<trinitrotoluene> is heatran even necessary for his team?
<trinitrotoluene> it looks like a massive momentum sapper.
<aim> his spread, yeh
<aim> scizor checks fairies
<aim> altaria
<aim> and latis
<aim> since he added pursuit
<aim> i really think
<aim> heatran shud be a water resist
<aim> or something to punsih
<aim> keldeo///azu
<aim> or even rotom
<Leftiez> fact is that heatran is making the team weaker to rotom
<trinitrotoluene> rotom-w forms the old volt-turn core w/ scizor \o/
<Leftiez> but tran is his only one flyinnng check
<Leftiez> :g/
<Mawiltie> What do you mean by flying check
<Leftiez> yh rotom as flying check is kinda good
<Mawiltie> XD
<Leftiez> i mean flying resist
<aim> i was looking at
<Mawiltie> ok
<aim> rotom actually
<aim> checks keldeo
<aim> azu
<aim> opposing rotoms
<aim> scizors
<aim> bisharps
<aim> and takes osme presusre
<aim> off of garchomp
<Leftiez> and still check Talon + torna
<aim> y
<Leftiez> also has another ground check
<Leftiez> because gengar is def not enough
<aim> y
<Mawiltie> plus, he even said that keldeo was his only water resist in the starmie spot in his rmt
<Mawiltie> So rotom could be a good choice
<aim> y
<trinitrotoluene> the only question is the ev spread now.
<Mawiltie> He needs something to get hazards off the field
<trinitrotoluene> not really.
<aim> yeh his team
<aim> isnt really
<aim> weak to hazards
<aim> if that makes sense
<trinitrotoluene> nothing on his team is too vulnerable to sr.
<aim> he doesnt care too uch about them
<aim> has stuff to force defog
<aim> his own rocks
<aim> etc
<Mawiltie> Ye
<aim> yeh
<aim> i like rotom-w a lot
<aim> what do you think
<aim> tnt
<aim> lefties
<trinitrotoluene> yep.
<Leftiez> yes
<aim> it isnt
<aim> a momentum killer
<aim> and gives him slow volt switch
<aim> into powerful mons
<aim> like keldeo
<aim> gar
<aim> etc
<aim> as well as check threats
<trinitrotoluene> don’t forget that it partners well w/ sciz too!
<aim> y
<Leftiez> tbh not having momentum here can be dangerous
<Leftiez> he's using frail mons
<aim> yeh
<aim> he needs it
<Leftiez> since rotom is rotom's check
<aim> lol
<Leftiez> it might be cool
<Leftiez> to have one less IV
<Leftiez> than comon rotom
<Leftiez> i mean speed
<Mawiltie> or run less speed evs
<Leftiez> also
<Mawiltie> Like put the ramaining in spatk or soemthing
<Leftiez> to be able to keep momentum
<trinitrotoluene> 248 hp / 252 def / 8 spdef
<Leftiez> no one use jolly azu anyway
<aim> yeh honestly no one
<aim> runs jolly azu
<aim> yeh
<aim> lol
<trinitrotoluene> jolly azu was a relic of the x/y era.
*** DerTwist [DerTwist@synIRC-60181864.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client]
<Leftiez> and even in thise case
<Leftiez> garchomp/keldeo
<Leftiez> can revenge kill it i guess
<Leftiez> if they are not in KO range
<Mawiltie> tnt is that the rotom-w set?
<trinitrotoluene> except keld has hp bug > hp electric.
*** Shaian [~Shaian@synIRC-A14F43AC.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: :J]
<trinitrotoluene> ye, the evs i listed were for rotom-w.
<aim> yeh
<aim> hp bug
<aim> is weird
<Leftiez> hp bug
<aim> cause
<aim> well
<Leftiez> is so overcentralized
<Leftiez> only for celebi
<aim> yeh
<aim> id only use it
<aim> to ctam
<Leftiez> while he has absol/zor
<aim> soeone bringing celebi
<aim> yup
<Leftiez> and gar
<Mawiltie> Is there a reason, If i may ask, why run two mons on the physically defensive side?
<Leftiez> plus it would make sense if spec or ebelt
<aim> he needs
<Leftiez> but scarf sucks
<aim> icywind anyway
<aim> r hp elect
<aim> for gyra
<trinitrotoluene> he did mention that hp bug was just there to hit lati@s and starmie lol
<Leftiez> yes ofc
<aim> icy wind checks dnite
<aim> puts it in range
<Leftiez> especially for Gayrados
<aim> of scizor
<aim> and gyra
<aim> obv hp elec
<aim> but yeh
<aim> yeh
<trinitrotoluene> if the op is willing to sack power or accuracy on keldeo’s water stab, he could even run both hp electric + icy wind.
<aim> nah
<Leftiez> are we still keeping keldeo
<aim> u need both
<Leftiez> ?
<aim> i think we should
<Mawiltie> Shouldn't we run spdef rotom-w because he has a def garchomp or is there something I am not seeing?
<aim> eh
<aim> spdef rotom
<aim> doesnt check
<aim> keldeo azu
<aim> well
<aim> or birds
<Leftiez> Rotom is over tran right ?
<aim> y
<Mawiltie> Ok
<Leftiez> ok so we need something
<Leftiez> for zard x
<Leftiez> i guess
<aim> well an option is
<aim> twave rotom
<trinitrotoluene> !
<aim> since bar scizor, thats what it sets up on
<aim> but wisp is always good :[
<Leftiez> it can still setup easily against him
<trinitrotoluene> he already has wisp on gar
<Mawiltie> Is there a possibiility to run both
<Leftiez> i mean keldeo locked
<Leftiez> zor locked
<Leftiez> so idk if it's good enough
<Leftiez> or he can just rely on mind
<Leftiez> keep garchomp + keldeo hpump
<Leftiez> idk if it kill
<Mawiltie> or taunt on gengar
<Leftiez> hmm i wouldnt setup zard on gar anyway
<aim> an option is
<aim> hippo
<aim> over
<aim> garchomp
<aim> w/ stone edge
<aim> keep wisp rotom
<aim> etc
<aim> helps w/ zard y
<aim> but
<aim> stops
<aim> momentum
<aim> but also
<aim> stops everything
<Leftiez> yep
<aim> so yeh
<aim> lol
<Leftiez> so mixed hippo
<aim> but i really really hate
<aim> the idea
<aim> of hippo
<aim> + mega absol
<aim> it just doesnt
<aim> look right lol
<aim> or seem right
<Leftiez> fact is that hippo
<Leftiez> is not giving momentum
<Leftiez> as much as chomp
<trinitrotoluene> hang on...
<Leftiez> well the team is kinda hard to rate here
<Leftiez> too much weakness
<aim> thats what happens
<aim> whe you use
<aim> niche mons tho
<aim> you are gonne be weak
<Leftiez> yh
<aim> to something
<aim> mineswell just give him
<aim> some opinters
<aim> and say
<Mawiltie> I kinda decided to calc an offensive zard x dd on the gengar and I found out the kill for zard x is a roll if eh is using fblitz
<aim> hippo is ptional but
<Leftiez> the best is rotom
<aim> yehh
<aim> rotom fits
<aim> hippo optional but kills omomentum
<Leftiez> then he will have to rely on garchomp damage
<aim> that should be explained
<aim> yeh
<Leftiez> + keldeo scarf
<Leftiez> then sucker from absol
<Leftiez> if it doesnt kill
<trinitrotoluene> could scarf terrakion be an option here?
<Leftiez> where tho ?
<aim> hm
<trinitrotoluene> over keld.
<aim> yeh over wah
<aim> uh
<trinitrotoluene> idk.
<Leftiez> hmm
<Mawiltie> He will still only have one water resistance
<Leftiez> gyara tho
<trinitrotoluene> again, it’s just a thought.
<Mawiltie> Which will make him weak to starmie and keldeo
*** Progamerfiles [~cgiirc@synIRC-D8E199DF.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)]
<Mawiltie> Keldeo even more than before.
<Leftiez> yh azumarill will be harder to check
<Leftiez> with kion
<Leftiez> i mean BD set
<Leftiez> but yh
<Leftiez> it's not bad
<Leftiez> i mean looking at his team
<Leftiez> we cant do much
<trinitrotoluene> again, this is a niche option that _could_ help.
<trinitrotoluene> @_@
<trinitrotoluene> gotta stop using “again” so much.
<Leftiez> xD
<Leftiez> terrakion is def a good thing
<Leftiez> except the water weakness
<trinitrotoluene> and now i remember why i didn’t rate this team.
<Mawiltie> XD
<Leftiez> ahah
<Leftiez> yh that team is kinda hard to rate
<Leftiez> we have to change too many pokemon
<Leftiez> which is against the spirit of the team
<Mawiltie> It's hard to rate because if you replace a mon with another one, it ruins the team
<Mawiltie> And you are consistantly making changes
<trinitrotoluene> the only concrete change i see working that keeps his original ideas intact is rotom-w > heatran.
<Mawiltie> yeh
<Mawiltie> He will need the water resists with keldeo AND rotom
<Leftiez> yes
<Mawiltie> because normally one isnt enough
<Leftiez> as i said anyyway
<Mawiltie> He could possibly run a lati
<Leftiez> zard can be taken with combo
<Mawiltie> And bluff defog
<Leftiez> RH + rough skin (since he's forced to attack chomp anyway) then keldeo RK with hpump
<Leftiez> hpump does like 70% i guess to offensive zard d
<Leftiez> so it might be enough
<Leftiez> then sucker absol
<Leftiez> can clean
<aim> y
<Mawiltie> For some reason I am thinking that lati@s would work over keldeo
<Mawiltie> For one, lati kills both keldeo and stamie
<aim> it doesnt stop
<aim> zard tho
<Mawiltie> true.
<Leftiez> yep
<Leftiez> will make the team even weaker to zard
<Leftiez> well this is all we can do
<Leftiez> team also weak aganst thundy but oh well
<Leftiez> hippo or nothing
<Leftiez> put hippo as option imo
<Leftiez> over chomp
<Leftiez> and keep rotom
<Leftiez> all we can do i guess
<trinitrotoluene> so, the tl;dr for this difficult team is: defensive rotom-w > heatran, mixed defenses hippo > chomper (optional).
<trinitrotoluene> did i miss anything?
<Leftiez> nope i guess
<aim> nah
<trinitrotoluene> oh fuk, someone has to be saving logs.
<Leftiez> i can
<Leftiez> i've auto save
<trinitrotoluene> ty leftiez :]
<Leftiez> np
<trinitrotoluene> ok. i’ll pick out the next team (and hopefully get something easier to rate)!
<Leftiez> if i've to leave i'll just let my pc on and then C/P when i'll get back
<trinitrotoluene> cool, thanks :]
<aim> :]
*** Mawiltie [~cgiirc@synIRC-E1D1F2DC.res.bhn.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)]
<trinitrotoluene> http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/trinte-calla-m-altaria-balance-peaked-1730.3534761/
<trinitrotoluene> ok, this team isn’t as difficult.
<aim> i dont see
<aim> lopunny as a threat
<aim> he has chesnaught
<aim> jirachi to par
<aim> a
<aim> def lando
<aim> and gengar
<Leftiez> yes
<Leftiez> ofc
<aim> i nkow
<aim> do you think
<aim> er*
<aim> i know it might not be possible, but do you think
<aim> we can fit in
<aim> a torn-t
<aim> it loves hazards
<aim> spamming knock off
<aim> checks a few threats for this guy
<trinitrotoluene> maybe over lando-t?
<trinitrotoluene> no
<Leftiez> uh
<trinitrotoluene> landoge is his only answer vs stall teams.
<Leftiez> he's Zard weak
<Leftiez> i mean Y
<aim> yeh
<Leftiez> ALtaria is 2HKO'd by fire blast
<Leftiez> and cant do <censored> anyway
<Leftiez> forced to spam roost
<aim> im surprised
<aim> he iddn tput
<aim> sd scizor
<aim> in the weaknesse
<aim> it beats everything
<aim> lol
<aim> well for one
<aim> he should have HP fire
<aim> on starmie
<aim> kill scizor, wekane ferro
<aim> for altaria
<Leftiez> lol
<aim> checks sd scizor
<aim> as well
<Leftiez> he's also p gengar weak
<Leftiez> nothing
<trinitrotoluene> jirachi looks replaceable.
<Leftiez> my best suggest is replace jira
<Leftiez> yh
<aim> still needs sr
<aim> and to beat gar
<Leftiez> yeah
<Leftiez> and also diancie
<Leftiez> which is why i cant put tran
<trinitrotoluene> air balloon tran?
<trinitrotoluene> hang on.
<trinitrotoluene> how does shucatran sound?
<trinitrotoluene> it’s a bit crazy, but it beats ep diancie and gets rocks up.
<Leftiez> well assuming starmie
<Leftiez> can revenge kill diancie
<Leftiez> maybbe tran can work
<Leftiez> but i feel bad relying on mie
<Leftiez> for this job
<aim> he can run spdef skarm w/ iron head
<aim> spikes
<aim> roost
<aim> over checknaught
<aim> checks lando-i
<aim> diancie
<aim> gives him spikes
<Leftiez> so we can replace jira
<Leftiez> for tran
<aim> helps him
<Leftiez> for zard weakness ?
*** thewolf [~woof@Hypocrisy.Is.The.Greatest.Luxury] has joined #ratemyteam
*** mode/#ratemyteam [+h thewolf] by Porygon2
<aim> that could work
<aim> or make
<aim> thing fatter
<aim> at his lando
<Leftiez> yh
<aim> though i like
<Leftiez> hmm
<Leftiez> talonflame
<Leftiez> maybe ?
<trinitrotoluene> over what mon?
<Leftiez> he has no stallbreaker
<Leftiez> jira
<Leftiez> if skarm replace ches
<trinitrotoluene> ah.
<Leftiez> and help him aganst garde / Lando i
<Leftiez> check zard y
<trinitrotoluene> it also beats megaeye too.
<Leftiez> it also has good synergy with alt
<Leftiez> yep
<trinitrotoluene> ye, that sounds like a plan.
<trinitrotoluene> we made lando a fat rocks setter, right?
<Leftiez> depend
<Leftiez> we can also just make it for skarm
<Leftiez> lando is his wall breaker
<Leftiez> replace it will make the team more passiev
<Leftiez> maybe
<aim> yeh
<trinitrotoluene> the tl;dr so far is: spdef skarm > chesnaught, heatran > jirachi
<aim> tho
<aim> that can work
<aim> y
<trinitrotoluene> did i miss anything?
<aim> though
<aim> i rather a dif
<aim> zard check
<aim> cause skarm  + tran
<aim> idk
<aim> like
<aim> eh tran works lol
<trinitrotoluene> would a bulkier altaria spread work as an alternative?
<Leftiez> talon
<Leftiez> as i said ?
<Leftiez> since mie can spin
<trinitrotoluene> ye, talonflame is pretty cool.
<trinitrotoluene> aim, thoughts?
<Leftiez> plus with talon you're able to handle celebi np
<Leftiez> or what
<trinitrotoluene> hang on.
<trinitrotoluene> doesn’t this change make the team weaker to thundy?
<aim> i thnk
<aim> tflame
<aim> works
<aim> but it makes it
<aim> weaker to thundy
<aim> and kb
<aim> lol
<Leftiez> yh
<trinitrotoluene> then again, jirachi and chesnaught weren’t that reliable a stopper to thundurus.
<aim> y
<aim> lol
<aim> thiis is tough
<aim> we said it wouldnt need
<aim> much work
<trinitrotoluene> lol
<aim> but not true lol
<aim> i think we ar trying
<aim> to check 2 much
<aim> tbh
<aim> we should give
<aim> smaller changes
<aim> that help it a bit
<trinitrotoluene> like the hp fire > ice beam rec on starmie awhile ago.
*** moony [~moony@synIRC-F84875A7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ratemyteam
<aim> y
<aim> lol
<aim> and maybe spdef skamr
<aim> idk
<aim> sinnce diancie
<aim> just rekts
<trinitrotoluene> yep.
<aim> well
<aim> leftiez
<aim> tnt
<aim> lets wrap this one up
<aim> i thin hp fire
<aim> is a must
<aim> helps ataria
<aim> by checking scizor
<aim> and weakening fero
<trinitrotoluene> we’re just running in circles rn, so hp fire > ice beam on starmie, and spdef skarm > chesnaught or jirachi.
<aim> yh
<trinitrotoluene> i forgot which one we chose to replace lol
<aim> ches
<aim> i think
<aim> cause spikes
<trinitrotoluene> some optional changes are talonflame > jirachi and rocks on lando (?).
<aim> y
<trinitrotoluene> think you’re up for a few more teams?
<aim> 1 hour nad a half
<aim> a lil burnt out
<aim> but its up to you
<aim> lol
<aim> my meeting isnt til 10
<aim> dunno if i can rate til then tho LOL
<trinitrotoluene> one more team then.
<aim> are you writing
<trinitrotoluene> http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/honeybushs-ho-sqaud-ft-slurpuff.3533067/
<aim> this stuff btw
<aim> h ok
<aim> perfect H
<aim> O
<aim> doesnt need much changes
<trinitrotoluene> i’ll get the stuff up.
<trinitrotoluene> but i’ll have to delete a few posts to do so @_@
*** PikaAss [~cgiirc@synIRC-F297D847.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC]
<aim> lol no wories
<trinitrotoluene> i’m thinking of potentially suggesting aero > azelf because that’s what i’ve been using on hyper offense recently.
<trinitrotoluene> *my own personal hyper offense teams
<trinitrotoluene> then again, he doesn’t really need the tailwind support.
<aim> yeh fire blast aero
<aim> isnt bad
<aim> but it helps diggers by
<aim> i like it
<aim> tbh
<aim> i thnk he shoud run
<aim> jolly diggers
<trinitrotoluene> if he does keep azelf, a potential change could be skill swap > taunt or fire blast.
<aim> yeh
<aim> for sableye
<aim> i htink jolly is good for like
<aim> jolyl bisharp
<trinitrotoluene> heatran.
<aim> a threat in general
<aim> heatran
<aim> a lot
<aim> and it sitllgets the same
<aim> 2hk0s
<aim> breloom
<trinitrotoluene> jolly lum looks good.
<aim> to quick atk
<aim> yhe
<aim> i like lum as well
<aim> lol
*** Shaian [~Shaian@synIRC-A14F43AC.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ratemyteam
<trinitrotoluene> set up on the megaeye and beat it down w/ the stronk eq :]
<trinitrotoluene> or at least weaken it for the rest of the team.
<aim> y
<aim> i like it
<aim> lol
<trinitrotoluene> hyper offense is fun to rate imo.
<aim> yh
<aim> ez changes
<aim> lol this was atually prettyf un
<aim> rating is fun
<aim> a ll tiring
<aim> but fun
<aim> im glad i did this
<trinitrotoluene> thoughts on volt switch > tbolt on thund?
<aim> hm
<aim> i think bolt cause
<aim> slowbro
<aim> is annoying
*** Shaian [~Shaian@synIRC-A14F43AC.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: :J]
<trinitrotoluene> mm
<trinitrotoluene> anything you think needs to be changed on sharp?
<aim> if he runs
<aim> jolly thing no
<aim> but he can run
<aim> lowkick
<aim> if jolly bsiahrp
<aim> and keep digersby
<aim> adamant iwth lum
<aim> joly bsiahrp with low kick
<aim> for
<aim> opposing bisharp
<trinitrotoluene> ye.
<trinitrotoluene> would jolly diggs + jolly sharp work?
*** Progamerfiles [~cgiirc@15A911BD.6B98AAF7.C0826E95.IP] has joined #ratemyteam
<trinitrotoluene> that’s one thing i feel would improve his team.
<aim> hm
<aim> yeh
<aim> thats completely fine 2
<aim> i think
<aim> helps him
<aim> with stuff like mew
*** Progamerfiles left #ratemyteam []
<aim> gliscor
<aim> etc
<aim> both are outsped!
<Leftiez> agree
*** Progamerfiles [~cgiirc@15A911BD.6B98AAF7.C0826E95.IP] has joined #ratemyteam
<trinitrotoluene> the only change he needs to make for slurpuff is to get rid of the god-awful nick lol
<aim> LOOOOL
<aim> thats not nice man
<aim> post results in
<aim> the thread btw
<aim> z
<aim> !
<aim> and thanks a ton leftie
<aim> look at that lag
<aim> lol
<trinitrotoluene> the reverse lag lmao
<aim> yeh
<aim> its crazy
<aim> random sentences
<trinitrotoluene> tl;dr for the hyper offense team: aero > azelf (optional), jolly lum diggersby > adamant lo diggersby, jolly + low kick sharp > adamant + pursuit sharp (low kick is optional[?]), ~remove the slurpuff nick~.
<trinitrotoluene> the says that latis are a threat, but i don’t feel the same.
<trinitrotoluene> *the op
<aim> yeh
<aim> lowkck checks opposing bishar
<aim> which can be anying
<aim> i liek it
<aim> lol
<trinitrotoluene> thundy twaves latis, slurpuff sets up on them, megallade can tank a lo draco and ko w/ knock off, etc.
<trinitrotoluene> scratch the m-gallade part.
<trinitrotoluene> it gets koed if it’s even slightly weakened.
<trinitrotoluene> point is, latis aren’t too much trouble.
<trinitrotoluene> anyways, aim, leftiez, everyone, thanks for participating in this rmt workshop.
<trinitrotoluene> can’t believe we got through 4 teams lol
<Leftiez> np :D
*** Sweep [Mibbit@EF22F5AE.324DB9F7.6E12D717.IP] has joined #ratemyteam
<trinitrotoluene> leftiez, i’ll check to see if my computer saved the logs of this session.
<trinitrotoluene> if it didn’t, i’ll let you know.
<Leftiez> ok
<trinitrotoluene> .
<trinitrotoluene> ok, please pm me the logs on forums.
*** rachee [uid51396@synIRC-DB980CDA.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #ratemyteam
<trinitrotoluene> my computer is dumb and didn’t save it.
*** mode/#ratemyteam [+ao rachee rachee] by Porygon2
<trinitrotoluene> jirachee, we got through 4 teams in our workshop today
<trinitrotoluene> !
<rachee> cool
<rachee> :]
*** FirePROJECT [b@rn.all] has joined #ratemyteam
*** FirePROJECT left #ratemyteam []
<aim> :]