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- [9:43:46 PM] Saderhesz: i was so excited for overwatch but it's just so boring
- [9:43:51 PM] Angry Hypocrite: ...
- [9:43:51 PM] Saderhesz: it's like tf2 but it requires less skill
- [9:43:56 PM] Angry Hypocrite: LESS skill?
- [9:44:04 PM] Insanely Mark: ........it sounds like LoL or tf2 to me
- [9:44:09 PM] Angry Hypocrite: http://plays.tv/video/57281cee67ef4aa3f7/tracer-ult-2mlg
- [9:44:13 PM] Insanely Mark: from the short description I just read
- [9:44:14 PM] Angry Hypocrite: less skill
- [9:44:40 PM] Angry Hypocrite: r u srs
- [9:44:45 PM] Saderhesz: yes im srs
- [9:44:51 PM] Innocent Bystander: yeah idk what that was
- [9:44:52 PM] Angry Hypocrite: well maybe if you play the cheap characters
- [9:44:59 PM] Angry Hypocrite: but that's your own fault
- [9:45:02 PM] Angry Hypocrite: play tracer
- [9:45:12 PM] Angry Hypocrite: if you can get PotG as tracer
- [9:45:17 PM] Angry Hypocrite: you can call it low skill
- [9:45:27 PM] Angry Hypocrite: but tbh ive played both
- [9:45:40 PM] Angry Hypocrite: and tf2 requires SIGNIFICANTLY less skill except for 3 characters
- [9:46:07 PM] Angry Hypocrite: also overwatch has characters that do not fit into normative gender appearances!!!!!!!!
- [9:46:19 PM] Angry Hypocrite: (Zarya)
- [9:46:45 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tbh I enjoy overwatch so much
- [9:46:50 PM] Innocent Bystander: we can tell
- [9:46:56 PM] Angry Hypocrite: its kinda like what tf3 should have been
- [9:47:01 PM] Angry Hypocrite: and never was
- [9:47:14 PM] Angry Hypocrite: except in a more fantasy style with I think a higher skillcap
- [9:49:22 PM] Innocent Bystander: melee til i die
- [9:49:40 PM] Saderhesz: is tf3 a typo?
- [9:49:45 PM] Angry Hypocrite: no
- [9:49:54 PM] Angry Hypocrite: its what a sequel to tf2 should have been
- [9:49:59 PM] Angry Hypocrite: higher skill
- [9:50:01 PM] Angry Hypocrite: more interesting
- [9:50:03 PM] Angry Hypocrite: more chars
- [9:50:05 PM] Saderhesz: a sequel to tf2 would be pointless
- [9:50:06 PM] Angry Hypocrite: better cisuals
- [9:50:08 PM] Angry Hypocrite: cooler maps
- [9:50:08 PM] Innocent Bystander: you say that like there is a sequel
- [9:50:26 PM] Angry Hypocrite: and tbh in a fantasy style which I like much better
- [9:51:15 PM] Saderhesz: if tf2 isnt fantasy then what is csgo?
- [9:51:34 PM] Angry Hypocrite: no, overwatch is unrealistic fantasy style visuals
- [9:51:43 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tf2 and csgo are too bloody for me
- [9:51:55 PM] Saderhesz: you can disable blood in tf2 tho
- [9:51:56 PM] Angry Hypocrite: not interested in gore simulator 2015 (csgo)
- [9:52:02 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tf2 is better yes
- [9:52:16 PM] Innocent Bystander: i just can't play shooters at all
- [9:52:16 PM] Angry Hypocrite: but its not fantasy like the way overwatch is
- [9:52:50 PM] Innocent Bystander: : /
- [9:52:55 PM] Saderhesz: http://i.imgur.com/HSg1ZAG.png
- [9:52:57 PM] Angry Hypocrite: rip quinn
- [9:52:57 PM] Saderhesz: tf2 is life
- [9:53:07 PM] Angry Hypocrite: dude did you see my video tho
- [9:53:14 PM] Angry Hypocrite: calling it less skilled than tf2 is a meme
- [9:53:30 PM] Innocent Bystander: no like
- [9:53:32 PM] Innocent Bystander: i would like to
- [9:53:34 PM] Innocent Bystander: but like
- [9:53:36 PM] Innocent Bystander: guns terrify me
- [9:53:45 PM] Innocent Bystander: and the sounds give me flashbacks
- [9:54:19 PM] Saderhesz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzG_syyvWgc
- [9:54:44 PM] Angry Hypocrite: that was an accident
- [9:54:53 PM] Angry Hypocrite: very very obviously a cool coincidence
- [9:55:04 PM] Saderhesz: what?
- [9:55:06 PM] Saderhesz: he got predicted
- [9:55:09 PM] Saderhesz: simply outplayed
- [9:55:40 PM] Angry Hypocrite: dude I got a penta as a character with 150hp and one of the lowest damage outputs per clip in the game
- [9:55:56 PM] Angry Hypocrite: that is an outplay
- [9:56:06 PM] Angry Hypocrite: that vid is a lucky coinicidence
- [9:56:14 PM] Saderhesz: overwatch is knowledge of when to use skills
- [9:56:18 PM] Saderhesz: TF2 is movement, aim, knowledge of the landscape, and strategy
- [9:56:27 PM] Saderhesz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpJeX98NL1I
- [9:56:38 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >when to use skills
- [9:56:41 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >not aim
- [9:56:47 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >not knowledge of landscape
- [9:56:58 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >not MOVEMENT on TRACER
- [9:57:05 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >not startegy
- [9:57:41 PM] Angry Hypocrite: ya um idk how to movement that is why I play a char who's skillset is a 3 second trime rewind in position and 3 dashes
- [9:58:04 PM] Angry Hypocrite: also that bomb just happened to be put in the right place not knowing the layout of illios
- [9:58:26 PM] Angry Hypocrite: also got that soldier:76 at the end because idk how to aim
- [9:58:43 PM] Saderhesz: in the video, that guy just got a 5k when their team has 6 players, when nearly all 6 of those players were focusing him
- [9:59:21 PM] Angry Hypocrite: did you not see my vid
- [9:59:29 PM] Angry Hypocrite: its against 6 ppl
- [9:59:34 PM | Edited 10:00:12 PM] Angry Hypocrite: i got a 4k
- [9:59:37 PM] Innocent Bystander: can you guys like
- [9:59:39 PM] Innocent Bystander: stop
- [9:59:41 PM] Angry Hypocrite: with a char with 150hp
- [9:59:44 PM] Angry Hypocrite: and low dmg output
- [9:59:55 PM] Angry Hypocrite: they were all focusing me
- [9:59:58 PM] Angry Hypocrite: no teammates around
- [10:00:18 PM] Angry Hypocrite: sorry Quinn oops
- [10:01:01 PM] Innocent Bystander: i just dont like ppl fighting
- [10:01:09 PM] Angry Hypocrite: sorry
- [10:01:16 PM] Saderhesz: we're not fighting, we're just having a discussion
- [10:01:21 PM] Angry Hypocrite: ^
- [10:01:23 PM] Saderhesz: well at least im not trying to incite a fight
- [10:01:28 PM] Angry Hypocrite: 'tbh were discussing vidya gaems
- [10:01:29 PM] Angry Hypocrite: so
- [10:01:41 PM] Angry Hypocrite: not rly a heated topic
- [10:01:49 PM] Innocent Bystander: idk it looked heated
- [10:01:49 PM] Angry Hypocrite: i don't have my PotG as tracer recorded
- [10:01:53 PM] Angry Hypocrite: but that was a 5k
- [10:01:57 PM | Edited 10:02:46 PM] Angry Hypocrite: against 6 ppl
- [10:02:02 PM] Angry Hypocrite: all of whom were focusing me
- [10:02:10 PM] Angry Hypocrite: a char with 150hp and low dmg output
- [10:02:11 PM] Saderhesz: wait did you throw a grenade in that clip?
- [10:02:13 PM] Angry Hypocrite: i lived
- [10:02:16 PM] Angry Hypocrite: my ulti
- [10:02:20 PM] Angry Hypocrite: a sticky bomb
- [10:02:45 PM] Saderhesz: thats what happens when you throw an explosive at the floor of a small room with players in it lol
- [10:02:57 PM] Angry Hypocrite: ...
- [10:03:07 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tracers bomb readius is NOT the size of that room
- [10:03:12 PM] Angry Hypocrite: nor did it go onto the floor
- [10:03:13 PM] Angry Hypocrite: lol
- [10:03:26 PM] Angry Hypocrite: and in my PotG i got it on Reinhardt's shield
- [10:03:50 PM] Saderhesz: also tf2 is an arena physics shooter, overwatch is a first person moba
- [10:04:02 PM] Innocent Bystander: there u go
- [10:04:07 PM] Angry Hypocrite: blink behind the 5 > throw ult to Reinhardt's shield > blink and fire at group > e at exactly 1hp > blink
- [10:04:19 PM] Saderhesz: also overwatch draws like 60% of it's inspiration from overwatch
- [10:04:24 PM] Angry Hypocrite: that was my PotG
- [10:04:43 PM] Saderhesz: tf2 has more in the skill factor because its a dm game
- [10:04:55 PM] Angry Hypocrite: dm?
- [10:05:13 PM] Saderhesz: damage
- [10:05:21 PM] Saderhesz: overwatch is a team game
- [10:05:29 PM] Saderhesz: while both are team games, you cant do anything alone in overwatch
- [10:05:32 PM] Saderhesz: its harder to shine in the 'skill' factor
- [10:05:36 PM] Angry Hypocrite: uhhhhhh
- [10:05:44 PM] Angry Hypocrite: i just told you how i pentad
- [10:05:45 PM] Angry Hypocrite: alone
- [10:05:52 PM] Angry Hypocrite: because i play a high-skill character
- [10:05:56 PM] Innocent Bystander: yeah but can you carry the game by yourself
- [10:06:08 PM] Angry Hypocrite: [10:04 PM] Angry Hypocrite:
- <<< blink behind the 5 > throw ult to Reinhardt's shield > blink and fire at group > e at exactly 1hp > blinkthis is not a team amuver lol
- [10:06:30 PM] Angry Hypocrite: btw Reinhardt has 600 hp
- [10:06:35 PM] Angry Hypocrite: ulti does 400
- [10:06:44 PM] Angry Hypocrite: so he still has 50 more hp than i do
- [10:07:07 PM] Angry Hypocrite: AFTER the ult
- [10:07:10 PM] Saderhesz: how much time have you put into tf2?
- [10:07:25 PM] Angry Hypocrite: couple hundred
- [10:08:15 PM] Innocent Bystander: same
- [10:08:21 PM] Innocent Bystander: like
- [10:08:23 PM] Innocent Bystander: 221 hours
- [10:08:25 PM] Angry Hypocrite: anyway my point is
- [10:08:37 PM] Angry Hypocrite: you are grossly underestimating overwatch
- [10:08:39 PM] Saderhesz: youre emphasizing the fact you didnt die
- [10:08:58 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tbh you can make solo plays
- [10:09:03 PM] Angry Hypocrite: you just aren't skilled enough
- [10:09:07 PM] Angry Hypocrite: the game is barely out
- [10:09:08 PM] Saderhesz: also a couple hundred hours really isnt anything in tf2
- [10:09:15 PM] Innocent Bystander: ye ik
- [10:09:19 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >couple hundred isn't much
- [10:09:22 PM] Saderhesz: people under 2000 are typically pretty bad
- [10:09:25 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >talking shit on release day
- [10:09:43 PM] Angry Hypocrite: >talking shit on release day for OPEN BETA
- [10:10:40 PM] Saderhesz: im saying that overwatch is a lower dm game
- [10:10:48 PM] Saderhesz: theres not a high skill ceiling. Learn your skill timing and work with your team, thats all there is to it.
- [10:10:55 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tbh you've barely touched ow and emphasize that you cant make team plays. the reason for this is (being blunt) you suck. the game is barely out, and you clearly don't understand the mechanics of the game
- [10:11:06 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tracer is not "learn skill timing"
- [10:11:11 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tracer is about OUTPLAYING'
- [10:11:18 PM] Saderhesz: in TF2, you have to aim, (Overwatch has 3 characters that have autoaim built into their gameplay)
- [10:11:29 PM] Angry Hypocrite: yeah, like i said
- [10:11:33 PM] Angry Hypocrite: there are 3 chars in ow
- [10:11:40 PM] Angry Hypocrite: that have not real skill ceiling
- [10:11:48 PM] Angry Hypocrite: if you play them, its your own fault
- [10:11:59 PM] Angry Hypocrite: get play of the game as tracer
- [10:12:04 PM] Angry Hypocrite: then you can judge overwatch
- [10:12:38 PM] Angry Hypocrite: or play of the game as genji
- [10:12:49 PM] Angry Hypocrite: i mean dude the engi is a thing in tf2
- [10:12:50 PM] Saderhesz: im confused, are we talking about tf2 compared to overwatch or just overwatch?
- [10:13:03 PM] Angry Hypocrite: I'm talking about comparison
- [10:13:04 PM] Innocent Bystander: theyre just trying to say that overwatch is fun
- [10:13:10 PM] Innocent Bystander: good for u saku
- [10:13:15 PM] Innocent Bystander: have fun with ur game
- [10:13:20 PM] Saderhesz: and i said that ow takes less skill than tf2 so i wasnt having much fun with it
- [10:13:27 PM] Angry Hypocrite: but also how you are juding overwatch without understanding it in the slightest based off a vaery small unrepresentative sample
- [10:13:50 PM] Angry Hypocrite: and how you don't understand tracer or genji or hanzo or mei or the other high skill characters
- [10:13:59 PM] Angry Hypocrite: tracer has a higher skillcap than anyone in tf2
- [10:14:07 PM] Angry Hypocrite: you are choosing to play engi basically
- [10:14:16 PM] Innocent Bystander: dude theres really no reason to get so butthurt
- [10:14:18 PM] Angry Hypocrite: and then saying engi exists therefore skillcap is low
- [10:14:22 PM] Saderhesz: and how you are judging tf2 without understanding it in the slightest based off your little to no experience with it as a game.
- [10:14:34 PM] Angry Hypocrite: i have hundreds of hours
- [10:14:40 PM] Angry Hypocrite: it is the release of the BETA for ow
- [10:14:48 PM] Angry Hypocrite: who understands who's game less?
- [10:15:06 PM] Saderhesz: im saying that less than 2000 hours in tf2 and you're probably not going to understand the finesse the game requires
- [10:15:11 PM] Saderhesz: a couple hundred hours is literally nothing
- [10:15:26 PM] Angry Hypocrite: however much overwatch you played today was probably nothing man
- [10:15:45 PM] Angry Hypocrite: play enough that you get play of the game on tracer, hanzo, genji, or mei
- [10:15:55 PM] Angry Hypocrite: you haven't even tried any of the high skill chars either
- [10:16:46 PM] Angry Hypocrite: its funny how you fault me for less than a thousand hours yet you've probably played less than 5 of overwatch
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