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- viperfang4: prove why u think it's trash in ou
- viperfang4: rather than just say it
- +Snobalt: ok
- +Snobalt: non-STAB superpower that hits softer than Serp's Leaf Storm and provides merely half of the boosts that leaf storm gives to Serp
- viperfang4: honestly, posting stuff straight to cringe quotes and not being able to back up your claims in the chat hurts cap credibility
- viperfang4: serp is frail
- viperfang4: av malamar has bulk
- viperfang4: with night slash and psycho cut take out a whole slew of things
- +Snobalt: the thing is a contrary mon is meant to be a cleaner by nature of how the ability works
- viperfang4: serp isn't bad, but it's movepool is also only mediocre
- +Snobalt: malamar isn't cleaning anything with its low Speed [for OU standards]
- viperfang4: i use it as a lead
- viperfang4: it's also fun wen they set up sticky web
- +Snobalt: >sticky web in ou
- viperfang4: cause malamar has virtually no counter at that point
- +Snobalt: it's only seen in cap because of necturna
- +Snobalt: it's nonexistant in regular ou
- viperfang4: sticky web isn't bad
- viperfang4: lowering an entire team's speed stat isn't bad
- +Snobalt: it is when the most viable user of the move in OU is shuckle
- viperfang4: kk
- viperfang4: i don't like that shuckle set tho
- viperfang4: contrary shuckle is a nice cleanup
- viperfang4: take out usually the only about 1-2 pokemon on their team that can ko it
- viperfang4: then make them forfeit or gruel out it pain
- +Snobalt: to put it in perspective, it is objectively worse than cosmic power clef
- viperfang4: i told u what i thought ur return would be in a debate, i then countered it, and providing u even doing that logical counter
- viperfang4: i mean, i use both of those often
- viperfang4: both have their places
- viperfang4: shuckle is tanky lol
- viperfang4: i mean, i often use dusclops too
- viperfang4: nearly the defences of shuckle with twice the hp
- viperfang4: but then the counter is, "it's knock off bait"
- +Snobalt: it's passive as fuck as well
- viperfang4: that's why u run a knock off counter
- viperfang4: such as mega absol
- +Snobalt: usage =/= viability
- viperfang4: ^
- viperfang4: that is not what u were arguing
- +Snobalt: while some mons don't get the usage they deserve, malamar and shuckle are not among those mons
- viperfang4: u were arguing my stuff is uncommon and bad bcz of it, and psychologically u were basing your argument off of that
- viperfang4: u just contradicted yourself
- viperfang4: at least stay constistent
- • +Snobalt facepalms
- +Snobalt: not once did i say that uncommon = bad
- +Snobalt: don't fucking put words in my mouth
- viperfang4: i don't have to put them in ur mouth when they're already the ones engraved into your mind
- viperfang4: night slash and psycho cut
- viperfang4: and it hits as hard as it needs
- +Snobalt: true. night slash is way better than knock off.
- viperfang4: no knock off bcz i don't want damage to drop after 1 use
- viperfang4: and i have pluck on it
- +Snobalt: night slash BP: 70
- +Snobalt: knock off bp with no item: 65
- viperfang4: and sitrus berry users are easy to spot
- viperfang4: i can read off someone's entire team sets and all at the preview
- +Snobalt: if you could do that you'd be bought for an SPL team
- viperfang4: when frost was up i was mvp for fpl on the winning team
- +Snobalt: b/c that tournament totally has similar prestige to SPL
- viperfang4: yaknow, i have beaten a lot of ppl
- viperfang4: a lot of famous users
- viperfang4: in a lot of tiers
- viperfang4: very few ppl can go across the board in tiers like i do
- viperfang4: and still compete towards the top
- viperfang4: even in monotype i can go across all types among the best
- +Snobalt: (in Bill Belichick voice) PMs make it into the cringe quotes thread all the time
- +Snobalt: talk it up with the firemods if you think that's bad policy
- viperfang4: joining isis is something a lot of ppl are doing, does that make it right?
- Needless to say, he doesn't know when to stop.
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