[02:25] <Shadoweh> I'd rather not, if you wanted to go west with me.
[02:26] <patch> Absolutely, I would prefer to go west with you
[02:29] <Shadoweh> Go West! Life is peaceful there! Etc
[02:29] <patch> Agreed
[02:31] <patch> Frankly, if you want to take the three territories you can grab this turn, I plan on keeping all my units at least a country away from you by mutual interest
[02:31] <Shadoweh> Because of my supply centers and pretty much reliance on fleets or wings I don't need to go immediately north, I can just as easily hit Italy.  that would be excellent
[02:32] <patch> I can do that myself, and I would be glad to
[02:33] <Shadoweh> Yeah, the main problem is your northern neighbours. You need to talk to them, because Kitten4u and Schezo, well, do you think they'll ally? I think so.
[02:33] <patch> K4u can't trust Schezo
[02:34] <patch> If I can get K4U getting Schezo out of the Mediteranian, I would be very happy.
[02:35] <patch> Very concerned about K4U's naval unit though. I feel like it could become an issue once Schezo is gone.
[02:36] <Shadoweh> Why not?
[02:36] <Shadoweh> In all honesty, if you know the pair, you should know that Schezo will DIE FOR K4U
[02:37] <patch> It's only an issue because to get it out of that sea, she would have to pass through my country
[02:37] <patch> I don't know the pair
[02:37] <Shadoweh> Tsk, you play mafia with them, they were just a hydra and you don't think they're close?
[02:38] <patch> You were just a hydra with K4U
[02:42] <Shadoweh> ^.^
[02:42] <Shadoweh> That should tell you something too you know.
[02:42] <patch> I'm aware of the subtext.
[02:43] <Shadoweh> The truth is that with you alive that's one solid country between I and her plans for world domination
[02:52] <Shadoweh> But there's a whole rest of the map to deal with first. Looking at this map it's more advantageous to do it that way.
[02:52] <patch> Alright
[02:52] <patch> I agree with you completely.
[02:54] <Shadoweh> The only thing to wait for is whoever picks Poland.
[02:54] <patch> ?
[02:54] <patch> Poland?
[02:55] <patch> What about Italy?
[02:59] <Shadoweh> I mean K4U and Schezo wise
[02:59] <patch> Right.
[02:59] <Shadoweh> Basically the more likely Poland is to be hostile the less likely they are to look at you like a snack.
[03:00] <patch> Frankly, I would be surprised if a Schezo/K4U alliance could survive both of them attacking me at the same time.
[03:00] <patch> Schezo would have to travel right next to unprotected K4U territories to begin an assault
[03:01] <Shadoweh> What would seem tactically silly might seem fine to Schezo.. It'll depend on him I supose
[03:02] <patch> I do not think he would pass up free territory, even if it were tactically silly. But I don't know for sure.
[03:08] <Shadoweh> I think he would.


[02:35] <patch> Hello.
[02:35] <Kitten4u> Hello~
[02:35] <patch> I would like to form Diplomatic relationtions with you.
[02:35] <Kitten4u> I figured.
[02:39] <patch> So, how do you want to split up the black sea?
[02:40] <Kitten4u> Well, you won't be competing with me for neutral SCs for a little while at least. Let's see
[02:41] <patch> I'm a little concerned about all the ships.
[02:42] <Kitten4u> As far as SCs go, I get Rumania and Serbia, you get Bulgaria and Greece. Work?
[02:42] <Kitten4u> I think the other one near there is an issue for you and Russia
[02:42] <patch> Lets see...
[02:43] <Kitten4u> As far as sea zones go...
[02:43] <Kitten4u> I'd like to say I'd stay out if you do, but I don't think I can
[02:44] <patch> Agreed. You can take Rumania and Serbia
[02:44] <Kitten4u> k
[02:46] <Kitten4u> I'm going to move into the Western Black Sea so I can take Rumania. I have no intention of moving into your territory this turn. Too soon.
[02:46] <Kitten4u> So you can have the other half I guess
[02:46] <Kitten4u> Again, I'll let you work that out with Russia
[02:47] <patch> That command won't work
[02:48] <patch> Boats can't move inland-wait nevermind
[02:48] <Kitten4u> Yeah, it's coastal
[02:48] <patch> You're using your boat to take Rumania
[02:48] <patch> I figured you would be using a tank
[02:48] <patch> My bad
[02:48] <Kitten4u> I thought about it, and I still might
[02:49] <Kitten4u> Depends on stuff.
[02:50] <patch> Depends on whether Russia is Friend or foe.
[02:50] <Kitten4u> Yep
[02:51] <patch> Shadoweh seems to think Schezo will immediately ally himself with you.
[02:51] <Kitten4u> I do too
[02:51] <Kitten4u> But it still depends on other things. Mostly surrounding Poland.



Diplomacy
« Sent to: ActionDan on: July 26, 2011, 07:53:15 pm »
Hi Dan, Turkey here.

At some point in the next few days, I'd like to talk to you on the IRC channel about the game. Decide whether we're allies or not and things like that.

I'll try to be here regularly: http://webchat.ppirc.net/?channels=MotKTown

We can make a private chat there.

Good luck!

-capth

Re: Diplomacy
« Sent to: capt. h on: July 26, 2011, 10:35:11 pm »
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Sup, I don't use IRC (maybe I could learn), but as far as I can tell, our positions on the board make us natural allies.
Also, uh,
Live long and prosper.

Re: Diplomacy
« Sent to: ActionDan on: Today at 12:04:30 am »
I agree - positionally, we both have a lot more to gain by working together than by fighting each other.

When we get close enough together to help eachother out, we'll have more to talk about.

As an aside, Ukraine showed an interest in Poland before you joined the game. Apparently, Poland is super important to K4u's gameplans. You may want to open up diplomatic ties with her.
Re: Diplomacy
« Sent to: capt. h on: July 28, 2011, 11:11:43 pm »
Just warning you, I've been tipped off by two thrid-party nations (that are also not Russia) that Ukraine and Egypt will start to bear down on your position and are working together. I'm not quite sure of the truth of these statements, but it seems like a real possibility, considering I have my own reasons for thinking Ukraine will be focused in the south.
Re: Diplomacy
« Sent to: ActionDan on: July 29, 2011, 02:55:14 pm »
I think every nation I have talked to believes Ukraine and Egypt will team up against me, including K4U and Shadoweh themselves. The only real question is when it will happen - they have both indicated a willingness to put it off.

Italy and Russia have indicated an interest in you, and I was curious about whether you three had come to an agreement.
Re: Diplomacy
« Sent to: capt. h on: Today at 11:32:43 am »
what kind of interest?  When Italy contacted me, she raved like a lunatic commenting on a Shadoweh/Kitten eastern block and how it would destory her first then you, Russia, then me....

Russia seems to want to attack Kitten, but still wanted Bielo-Russia. I really don't trust the nations around me, besides perhaps, germany. But our stances are one of neutrality.

I will remain in contact with you regardless.


Re: Diplomacy
« Sent to: capt. h on: Today at 11:46:30 am »
O yeah, certainly no agreement between me and Italy has been reached (the country that would be most interested in that info would be germany I think. With rumors of a Italy-German alliance floating around [which is not a good thing for me] I'd perfer if germany had reason to believe Italy as untrustworthy [as I certainly do]).

As for Russia, we are working on a tentative agreement that is only mild in nature.

Do you have any more reliable info about Italy/Germany/Russia/Ukraine?



Re: Diplomacy
« Sent to: ActionDan on: Today at 01:57:44 pm »
Italy and Germany have a cease fire. They are not on the same side. I would not concern yourself with Germany at the moment, everyone is afraid of him because nobody knows where he stands, and I don't think he has any alliances but rather simply year 1 cease fires.

However, Italy and Russia have close ties. I advise you work with Russia at the moment, because he's interested in you. Ukraine is also interested in you, but that's because she wants to push west. Most the nations in the area are terrified of the Egyptian/Ukrainian Aliance, and they can probably be trusted due to their fear of the alternative.

Italy is far more interested in your cooperation than in Germany's cooperation at the moment. She can probably be trusted because of her fear.



Diplomacy
« Sent to: Schezo on: July 26, 2011, 01:29:06 pm »
Hi Schezo! Turkey here.

I'd like to make peace early on, and discuss our year 1 actions in the Black Sea.

Diplomacy Turkey S1994
« Sent to: capt. h on: Today at 04:38:47 am »
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Greetings friend. I hope to forge a more long term alliance with you if you would like.

Later the Ukraine will have to come to conflict with me and I would like to have your support for my cause. We can both divide up the Ukraine evenly and still have room to expand in different directions while keeping our alliance.

As a show of good faith I am willing to offer Georgia to you, conflict free, in hopes that you can trust me later on for our alliance.

I also do not plan on entering the Black Sea at all so if you could tell me what you work out with Ukraine about that it would be great.

Re: Diplomacy Turkey S1994
« Sent to: Schezo on: Today at 04:50:58 pm »
I agree to your terms. At some point Ukraine will be an issue for me too, and I believe your plan is beneficial to both of us.


[16:45] <capth> Hey K4U, have you talked to Schezo yet about Diplomacy?
[16:46] <Kitten4u> We have a little. He said he was going to get on IRC today
[16:46] <Kitten4u> Short version is that it looks like things will go as I expected
[16:46] <Kitten4u> Has Shadoweh poked you yet?
[16:46] <capth> Once.
[16:47] <capth> Shadoweh expected you two to be best friends, actually.
[16:47] <Kitten4u> So has she told you about the current plan yet?
[16:47] <capth> No.
[16:48] <Kitten4u>
[16:48] <capth> What is the current plan?
[16:48] <Kitten4u> Schezo and I head for Germany while Shadoweh and you head for Italy
[16:49] <capth> It sounds good, but I'm a little worried about Schezo's loyalty.
[16:49] <Kitten4u> Don't worry about it
[16:50] <Kitten4u> Unless you have a good reason to assume he will try to kill me I don't think he will
[16:50] <capth> >"Later the Ukraine will have to come to conflict with me and I would like to have your support for my cause. We can both divide up the Ukraine evenly and still have room to expand in different directions while keeping our alliance."
[16:50] <capth> "As a show of good faith I am willing to offer Georgia to you, conflict free, in hopes that you can trust me later on for our alliance."
[16:51] <capth> I'm going to tell him I accept the deal.
[16:52] <Kitten4u> Ahahaha
[16:52] <capth> ?
[16:53] <Kitten4u> I figured he would try at some point just because of his position, but I stand by my statement of it not being an issue.
[16:53] <capth> Alright then.
[16:57] <Kitten4u> Anyway, I imagine it'll mostly be you and Shadoweh talking unless you want my suggestions for some reason
[16:58] <Kitten4u> I'll poke you every time I want to move into the Black Sea because of where it is though
[16:59] <capth> No problem. I would prefer we kept the black sea vacant whenever possible.
[16:59] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[16:59] <Kitten4u> I'll just be moving into it this turn to take Rumania so that the tank can be used against Poland
[17:01] <capth> Actuall, couldn't you move it to Ode? It's the same distance away from Rumania.
[17:02] <Kitten4u> Ode is already mine though
[17:02] <capth> What I mean is if you move your ship to Ode, you'll still get to Rumania by turn 2 without needing to use the black sea
[17:02] <capth> I mean, by winter
[17:03] <Kitten4u> Oh. The issue is I don't know if the tank will be able to move out of there
[17:03] <Kitten4u> If Poland bounces me out of Podolia the move will fail
[17:04] <capth> I see what you mean.
[17:05] <Kitten4u> It's safer for me, so I'd rather do that
[17:05] <Kitten4u> But don't worry, Shadoweh and I will not kill you unless you prove to be hostile and/or ally with Germany (which are practically synonymous in my case anyway).
[17:06] <capth> I understand your reasons.
[17:06] <Kitten4u> We decided it would be lame to turbolynch you in your first game and figured you could help with Italy
[17:06] <capth> Alright. I'll start coordinating with Shadoweh about Italy.
[17:07] <Kitten4u> She didn't poke you. >:|
[17:07] <Kitten4u> Smack her around a bit for me for that.



[17:08] <capth> Hi Shadoweh!
[17:08] <Shadoweh> Greetingz
[17:08] <Shadoweh> Sorry I fell back asleep last night. I'm awful at chess anyways
[17:08] <capth> No prob.
[17:08] <capth> K4U asked me to poke you. also, Diplomacy.
[17:09] <Shadoweh> Ahaha, yes, and I'd wanted to prod you back
[17:09] <Shadoweh> Did you see who took Italy?
[17:09] <capth> LLD
[17:10] <Shadoweh> Indeed. How does this make you feel about our plans to delete Italy from existance?
[17:10] <capth> Something tells me diplomatic relations will consist of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"
[17:12] <Shadoweh> Haha, indeed. If we're willing to work together for long enough, along with K4U and Schezo we can just sweep the west. I have a feeling the three people in the middle will end up working together. At least Italy and Germany will.
[17:13] <capth> I agree.
[17:13] <capth> I have to ask though, which territories will you be going for this turn?
[17:14] <capth> I'm planning on havinga ship in Greece and a tank in Bulgaria by winter
[17:15] <Shadoweh> I'm planning to go for Israel and Saudi Arabia as well as Libya
[17:15] <capth> Sounds good.
[17:16] <Shadoweh> You should be able to grab Iran as well to make three, unless someone else wants that?
[17:16] <capth> No, I plan on taking Iran as well.
[17:16] <Shadoweh> Yeah, no reason to let anyone get that far behind you.
[17:19] <Shadoweh> Next winter, I can head for Tunis and make some progression towards Italy proper.. while it'll probably be headed towards you on the land.
[17:20] <capth> Honestly, I would be surprised if it hadn't already made it to me.
[17:20] <capth> Only problem is that for Italy to get to me on land, it would have to pass right through K4U
[17:22] <Shadoweh> Not exactly. K4U is probably going to try and go through Poland, so there's lots of open space below.
[17:24] <capth> Her contact with me has indicated an interest in Serbia
[17:26] <Shadoweh> Huh. Serbia? That's odd.
[17:26] <Shadoweh> You're right then.
[17:27] <Shadoweh> That's quite silly. We can convoy around her, but she'll have to defend you from Italy.
[17:27] <capth> You have a point.
[17:30] <capth> I think the location was choosen because she could reach it in two turns with relatively little conflict.
[17:30] <capth> Rather than thinking ahead about the invasion of Italy.
[17:33] <Shadoweh> Stupid internets.
[17:33] <capth> [17:30] <capth> I think the location was choosen because she could reach it in two turns with relatively little conflict.
[17:33] <capth> [17:30] <capth> Rather than thinking ahead about the invasion of Italy.
[17:33] <Shadoweh> Yeah.
[17:34] <Shadoweh> If she wants to do that more power to her, you can move fleets into the river and convoy to the next land mass.
[17:34] <capth> That's the plan.
[17:34] <Shadoweh> I think I'm going to try out the Wing units for sure.
[17:35] <capth> I only need them for things tanks and ships can't do.
[17:35] <capth> I'll probably need one for the invasion of Italy.
[17:37] <Shadoweh> Looking at where I am, if I build nothing but fleets I won't have much to threaten land with later.
[17:37] <capth> I agree.


[20:34] <WMShadoweh> I don't think we can make many more long-term plans without seeing a few years play out.
[20:34] <WMShadoweh> Ex: Seeing what Germany, France and Russia end up doing.
[20:34] <capth> OK!

[20:30] <Kitten4u> Since Schezo has made himself even more obvscum than I thought he would, did he say how much "later" he expected our conflict to be?
[20:30] <capth> After the defeat of Poland. That much I'm sure about.
[20:31] <Kitten4u> k

[20:27] <capth> Hello Dorian! I'm here to establish diplomatic relations.
[20:28] <Dorian_Grey> Hi, how can I help you?
[20:29] <capth> Well, while we're kind of far away, I figured I should begin establishing ties with Germany in diplomacy.
[20:29] <capth> And since you're in the chatroom now...
[20:31] <Dorian_Grey> Well I would prefer it if do this not at 2am, but it's fine now.
[20:32] <capth> Sorry. Timezones. It's a 6 hour difference.
[20:35] <Dorian_Grey> No problem, just don't mind my bad English, sleepiness doesn't improved language skills.
[20:40] <capth> Right, so. I guess we should begin. I have no interest in waging war with you, and I think you could be a great ally in the upcoming battles.
[20:41] <capth> So lets declare peace for now.
[20:41] <capth> And discuss our neighbors a bit.
[20:42] <Dorian_Grey> I see, well there is not that much I could offer.
[20:43] <capth> I've had contact with Russia, Poland, Egypt, and Ukraine.
[20:45] <Dorian_Grey> And I had contact with Italy, England, Poland and Russia too.
[20:47] <Dorian_Grey> Can you tell me something about Dans plans?
[20:48] <capth> Has he sent you a pm saying that you are a natural ally?
[20:49] <Dorian_Grey> Yes, more or less.
[20:50] <capth> Truth is, my contact with him was limitted. I didn't need to discuss his plans with him because they did not have an effect on my year 1 moves.
[20:51] <capth> However, he has sent all his neighbors pms indicating that they are natural allies.
[20:55] <Dorian_Grey> I see, well all I can tell you is that Lucy doesn't seems to be interested in Gre, so it should be free for you.
[20:55] <capth> Thanks.


[20:10] <Schezo> hi Turkey
[20:10] <capth> Hello!
[20:11] <Schezo> would you mind telling me what you plan on doing in the Black Sea?
[20:11] <capth> Nothing.
[20:11] <capth> I plan on leaving it empty, and treating undeclared movement into it as an act of war.
[20:12] <Schezo> sounds fine
[20:12] <Schezo> what have Ukraine and Egypt told you?
[20:12] <capth> I think Ukraine and Egypt are allies.
[20:12] <capth> Me and Egypt are planning on targetting Italy
[20:13] <capth> You and Ukraine would be going for Germany.
[20:13] <Schezo> This came fron Ukraine?
[20:13] <capth> Yes.
[20:13] <Schezo> hmm
[20:14] <Schezo> I really need your assistance later in the game so you dying would not be good
[20:15] <capth> Our current plans are to avoid eachother on our Eastern fronts while we take on the west.
[20:15] <Schezo> Our?
[20:15] <Schezo> who is our?
[20:15] <capth> Me, Ukraine, and Egypt.
[20:15] <capth> I've been talking to my neighbors
[20:15] <Schezo> hmm ok
[20:16] <Schezo> do you trust me enough as a partner to put a charade on for Ukraine?
[20:16] <capth> Yes.
[20:16] <Schezo> I'm willing to let you take Gergia like I said
[20:17] <Schezo> but it could help me stab Ukraine
[20:18] <Schezo> if we could both agree to standoff with our fleets in Gergia in the spring
[20:18] <capth> ?
[20:18] <capth> You mean both of us move into eachother in Georgia?
[20:18] <Schezo> both of us tell our fleets to move to Gergia and they won't obviously but then in the fall you can take it
[20:19] <capth> I can agree to that.
[20:19] <Schezo> Ukraine and Egypt plan on rolling you after Poland and Italy so be wary about their moves
[20:20] <Schezo> do your best to sweet talk Germany
[20:20] <Schezo> he can help with Ukraine
[20:20] <capth> I think you are right.
[20:20] <capth> But what do you think of Poland?
[20:21] <Schezo> Have you talked to him yet? He hasn't said much to me
[20:21] <capth> I have talked to him, but I don't have much to address until year 2. We're far away from eachother at the moment.
[20:22] <Schezo> DO NOT lose contact with him try to say something once a phase
[20:22] <capth> Sure thing.
[20:23] <capth> Poland does not use IRC, so communication with him will only take place via PM.
[20:23] <Schezo> yeah it's a bit slow but I'm trying
[20:24] <Schezo> he finds me a more natural partner
[20:24] <Schezo> which is good since I want ANYTHING but a Pol/Ukr alliance
[20:24] <capth> He said something similar to me.
[20:24] <Schezo> hmm what else,
[20:24] <Schezo> oh
[20:25] <Schezo> Germany, I think will be more willing to talk to you so if you can find out if he decided to work with England that will help me so much
[20:26] <capth> From the normal IRC I don't believe England has worked out his alliances
[20:26] <Schezo> I've tried to talk but since PX isn't here all Bard has told me is they are gunning for Scandinavia which is not suprising to me
[20:27] <Schezo> I'm ready to declare war on them
[20:27] <Schezo> but he HAS offered Germany an alliance
[20:27] <Schezo> you have to wriggle that out of him since it can really screw me over
[20:27] <capth> Good to know. I am now establishing diplomatic relations with Germany.
[20:52] <Schezo> learn anything yet?
[20:52] <capth> Dan has sent everyone the same PM.
[20:53] <capth> You can probably use that to get Dorian on your side for the first year of the game.
[20:53] <Schezo> I didn't get it? >.> What's it say?
[20:54] <capth> That we are all "natural partners"
[20:54] <capth> with him.
[20:55] <capth> He isn't coordinating with anyone, which means it'll be easy to convince Germany to help you.
[20:56] <Schezo> Germany has agreed to be neutral but I'm sure he'll get pissy when Ukraine starts steamrolling into Poland
[20:56] <capth> Isn't Ukraine steamrolling into Poland good for your relations with Germany?
[20:57] <capth> Anyway, I just let Dorian know that Dan's been telling everyone the same thing. That should help a little.
[20:58] <Schezo> Any word on the EnglandxGerman situation?
[20:58] <capth> I really can't ask, because it's no where in my territory.
[20:59] <Schezo> alright, do you know his general plans ask if he's going west and if possible with who?
[20:59] <capth> I can't ask without him catching on that something is wrong. But I know he has had contact with England. Which means for year 1, I doubt they will be aggressive towards eachother.
[21:00] <capth> I also do not know where England is going. I haven't had contact with him, and I'm too far away to ask about their movements.
[21:00] <capth> I apologize.
[21:00] <Schezo> hmm this is a bit bad for me
[21:00] <Schezo> no that's fine
[21:02] <Schezo> Getting ready to all but declare war on England in 5
[21:03] <capth> Good luck.
[21:03] <Schezo> 4
[21:04] <Schezo> Spring of 1994
[21:04] <Schezo> Yeah going to do my best to cockblock him from Norway that should be swell


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[20:02] <WMShadoweh> ;-;
[20:02] == Conq [~Conq@qq-F7D495EB.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #lolShadowehsucks
[20:02] <@Naganohara_dorMio> rofl
[20:02] <Conq> Pfft
[20:02] <@Naganohara_dorMio> :V:
[20:02] <WMShadoweh> BURRRRN
[20:02] <@Naganohara_dorMio> best channel yes/hell yes
[20:02] <capth> So, want to discuss our diplomatic relations with Spain?
[20:02] <capth> Or is too early?
[20:03] <WMShadoweh> OUR RELATIONS WILL INVOLVE SETTING THEM ON FIRE
[20:03] <Conq> We should probably get different channels for that
[20:03] <WMShadoweh> well I like the Conqy side..
[20:03] <Conq> That have names better fitting the occasion
[20:03] <@Naganohara_dorMio> no electrotherapy for the potato?
[20:03] <WMShadoweh>
[20:03] <Conq> Hi Shadoweh~
[20:03] <@Naganohara_dorMio>
[20:03] * WMShadoweh hugs Conq ;-;
[20:03] <WMShadoweh> We might as well since we're all here!
[20:03] <Conq> Pffthahaha
[20:04] <WMShadoweh> So we want to go in a straight line to Italy
[20:04] <Conq> Kill Italy?
[20:04] <WMShadoweh> How do you two feel about that?
[20:04] <Conq>
[20:04] <Conq> I'll game.
[20:04] <Conq> *I'm
[20:04] <@Naganohara_dorMio> Don't kill France!
[20:04] <@Naganohara_dorMio>
[20:04] <Conq> France is a pretty cool guy etc.
[20:04] <WMShadoweh> And in all seriousness are you going to let England keep that little piece right under you or do I have to kick a blue fleet out of my waters?
[20:04] <WMShadoweh> FRANCE
[20:04] <Conq> Poor Dan, he's surrounded by rabid wolves.
[20:04] <Conq> Hmm, well
[20:05] <Conq> We have to talk to England about that.
[20:05] <Conq> It
[20:05] <WMShadoweh> Haha yeah, I wonder if he realizes how delicious he is
[20:05] <Conq> It's probably the most important thing for spain.
[20:05] <Conq> Well, we can't let him keep it. >_>
[20:05] <WMShadoweh> IYeah
[20:05] <Conq> He could just build an army.
[20:05] <Conq> Boom.
[20:05] <Conq> So I'll probably ask him to move to Africa.
[20:05] <Conq> And then work from there.
[20:06] <capth> And if he says no?
[20:06] <Conq>
[20:06] <capth> England is PX, and PX is a bit of a lone wolf
[20:06] <@Naganohara_dorMio> then we roll over him!
[20:06] <Conq> Dormio, what do you think we should do if England says no?
[20:06] <WMShadoweh> He can't really stop Conqy from kicking him out of that one province
[20:06] <@Naganohara_dorMio> We KRUSH, KILL, AND KDESTROY
[20:06] <capth> Good point.
[20:06] <WMShadoweh> He might keep the -fleet- there just to be a jerk
[20:06] <Conq> I'm sure he'll listen to reason.
[20:07] <WMShadoweh> Well he does have Bard..
[20:07] <WMShadoweh> ...
[20:07] <Conq> After I get England to move his fleet and focus on the North, I can probably move east with fleets.
[20:07] <WMShadoweh> Oh boy someone who likes kamikaze and someone who likes gambits
[20:07] <WMShadoweh> HAVE FUN
[20:07] <capth> Come to think of it, why aren't Bard and PX here?
[20:07] <WMShadoweh> We can't plot with them here!
[20:07] <Conq> Dormio, we should open up a channel with Bard/PX sometime.
[20:07] <WMShadoweh> They aren't interesting regarding lolItaly anyways
[20:08] <capth> We aren't saying anything we don't want them to know :/
[20:08] <WMShadoweh> XD Well in theory we wouldn't want them to know everyone we're colluding with
[20:08] <@Naganohara_dorMio> well right now I'm at uni so I can't do that much
[20:08] <Conq> Diplomacy is a game where information is valuable.
[20:08] <Conq> Ah, okay.
[20:08] <Conq> When you get back then.
[20:08] <@Naganohara_dorMio> supposed to be listening to a lecture
[20:08] <Conq> Pfft.
[20:08] <@Naganohara_dorMio> updating hatate quest instea
[20:08] <@Naganohara_dorMio> I am best studen
[20:08] <@Naganohara_dorMio> t
[20:08] <WMShadoweh> Dormio is the best.
[20:09] <WMShadoweh> Hey, you two are joining the next anonymafia rite? =.=
[20:09] <capth> Actually, that's part of the reason I want to know the nature of the relationship Bard, PX, you, and Dormio have.
[20:09] <Conq> We haven't talked to them yet!
[20:09] <Conq> So we don't know~
[20:09] <capth> And there's university in August?
[20:09] <Conq> He's in Australia.
[20:09] <WMShadoweh> Everything is backwards down under
[20:09] <capth> Really?
[20:10] <capth> I would have bet Japan or Singapore
[20:10] <capth> Not Australia
[20:10] <@Naganohara_dorMio> backwardly AWESO- okay australia sucks
[20:10] <@Naganohara_dorMio> なぜ　日本？
[20:10] <@Naganohara_dorMio> 私日本人じゃないよ。
[20:10] <@Naganohara_dorMio> why japan?
[20:11] <WMShadoweh> You're from Korea right?
[20:11] <capth> Touhou.
[20:11] <Conq> Japan is northern hemisphere.
[20:11] <capth> Moon runes
[20:11] <capth> No idea what the summer schedule is
[20:11] <Conq> Dormio is from potatoland.
[20:11] <Conq> Clearly
[20:11] <Conq> D:
[20:11] <@Naganohara_dorMio> I'm from Conq's backyard
[20:12] <@Naganohara_dorMio> conq lives on a potato farm
[20:12] <Conq> ^
[20:12] <WMShadoweh> Ahaha
[20:12] <WMShadoweh> I used to live on a farm
[20:12] <WMShadoweh> Then I moved into the internet
[20:12] <Conq>
[20:13] <@Naganohara_dorMio> Are you a potato too?!
[20:13] <WMShadoweh> No, we had animals
[20:13] <WMShadoweh> Though I didn't realize the corrolation first between delicious ham soup and the missing piggie from that morning until later
[20:14] <Conq> ;_;
[20:14] <WMShadoweh> I used to have a big ol' dog that fought off a bear
[20:14] <WMShadoweh> I kinda miss the farm
[20:14] <WMShadoweh> But I would like die without internets
[20:15] <WMShadoweh> Anyways I imagine France is a bigger point of conversation between you and England
[20:16] <Conq> Mmm, so looking at the map, areas of collaboration are Northern Africa, the Balkans, and the general area around the Med.
[20:16] <Conq> Yeah, you guys aren't really worried about France.
[20:16] <WMShadoweh> Whereas if you don't bust head-first through France you really aren't going anywhere.
[20:17] <Conq> It depends. I could be a naval power.
[20:17] <Conq> I'll see how it turns out.
[20:17] <Conq> Oh, speaking of which.
[20:17] <WMShadoweh> >.> Which part is the Balkans?
[20:17] <Conq> Fleets are really good on this map.
[20:17] <Conq> Balkans are the area around Greece
[20:17] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, almost everything seems to be connected to the water. I've been thinking about Wing units but..
[20:18] <Conq> Yeah, I don't know how useful they'd be. :<
[20:18] <Conq> I don't think you'd need them though.
[20:18] <Conq> You're in a nice little corner.
[20:19] <WMShadoweh> Normally the corner is why I would want Wings.
[20:19] <Conq> For the mobility?
[20:19] <WMShadoweh> But I won't be able to reach dry land for years
[20:19] <WMShadoweh> Yeah
[20:19] <WMShadoweh> I'm more England this game then England
[20:20] <Conq> Yeah.
[20:20] <Conq> Wings are better for defense than offense in any case, I think.
[20:20] <Conq> Or for attack support, I forgot about that.
[20:20] <Conq> Too bad they can't capture supply centers.
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[20:21] <Akitten_Homura> Oh, there's a party here
[20:21] <WMShadoweh>
[20:21] <WMShadoweh> Kittan! This is not a mafia channel!
[20:21] <Akitten_Homura> What kind of channel is it~?
[20:21] <Conq> Diplomacy~
[20:21] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, they're for harrassing people
[20:21] <WMShadoweh> Well, Dormio made it to make me want to face punch him
[20:21] <Akitten_Homura> Fine fine I'll leave~
[20:21] <WMShadoweh> Awh, you're not playing, I don't mind if you watch
[20:22] <Conq> Well, it's not like you're playing, so you can stay?
[20:22] <Akitten_Homura> Nah, Diplomacy scares me
[20:22] <WMShadoweh> You might make the boys nervous though
[20:22] <Conq> >.>
[20:22] <Akitten_Homura> Oh~?
[20:22] <WMShadoweh> Diplomacy is Mafia with Tanks
[20:22] <Akitten_Homura> Give them a bit of...performance anxiety ?
[20:22] <Conq> D:
[20:23] <WMShadoweh> *giggle* Kitten4u won't stop hating me for bring up her compromising positions in chess
[20:23] <WMShadoweh> I don't know why!
[20:23] <@Naganohara_dorMio> and so shadoweh was eliminated first, even before actinodan
[20:24] <@Naganohara_dorMio> >She may have been through a lot, but suicide is never the answer... Is it?
[20:24] <WMShadoweh> No, notice how she keeps saying I'm too far from her to kill?
[20:24] <Conq> capth let's kill Shadoweh together
[20:24] <@Naganohara_dorMio> aka she's going to make a beeline for you
[20:24] <WMShadoweh> I imagine it's because she thinks about killing me everyday
[20:24] <Conq> "Killing you"
[20:24] <WMShadoweh> Let's not do that!
[20:24] <@Naganohara_dorMio> anyway I gtg, conq send me logs or something later?
[20:24] <Conq> k
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[20:25] <WMShadoweh> pfft no I'm pretty sure it's not a euphanism!
[20:25] <Conq> I suppose next order of business is talk to Italy.
[20:25] <Conq> See what I can cook up.
[20:25] <WMShadoweh> You're going to talk to her?
[20:25] <WMShadoweh> You're such a gentleman, talking to the enemy.
[20:25] <Conq> Preferably France and Italy will fight each other.
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[20:26] <Conq>
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[20:26] <Conq> Oh hey PX
[20:27] <PX> CONQ
[20:27] <WMShadoweh> -.- Get a better channel!
[20:27] <PX> Your move
[20:27] <Conq> PX we need to to settle Gibraltrar later
[20:27] <Conq> D: I'm not thinking about chess right now.
[20:28] <PX> How about you get a mic first?
[20:28] <WMShadoweh> I HAVE A MIC
[20:28] <WMShadoweh> IT'S RIGHT HERE
[20:29] <PX> I don't hear anything
[20:30] <WMShadoweh>
[20:30] <WMShadoweh> I can't even threaten to go to war with you
[20:30] <WMShadoweh> You're as far as inhumanely possible from me
[20:32] <WMShadoweh> Anyways enjoi your channel of suck
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[20:33] <Conq> So about Shadoweh
[20:33] <PX> lol
[20:33] <Chaore> ...
[20:33] <PX> why is capt h here?
[20:33] <Chaore> wow, you people are actually still in here.
[20:33] <Conq> Are you going to ally with her, capht?
[20:33] <Conq> *capth
[20:33] <Chaore> OH
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[20:45] <capth> Sorry, I forgot I was in this window
[20:47] <PX> So, what about Gibraltar?
[20:51] <Conq> So, capth, are you going to ally with Shadoweh?
[20:52] <capth> I'll try to.
[20:52] <Conq> I mean, do you two have the Middle East worked out?
[20:52] <Conq> k
[20:52] <Conq> Just be wary.
[20:52] <Conq> K4U is right above you.
[20:52] <Conq> Shadoweh is right below
[20:52] <Conq> You're sandwiched between the two.
[20:52] <Conq> Not to mention Russia.
[20:52] <Conq> But if you can get on her good side, that's a good thing.
[20:52] <Conq> Then we can focus on Italy or whoever.
[21:01] <capth> Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

[23:18] <Lambda> Hey You
[23:19] <Lambda> Here’s some info for yo9u
[23:19] <Lambda> if you’re thinking of working with Shadoweh, don’t.
[23:19] <Lambda> Think about where you are
[23:19] <Lambda> Between Ukraine and Egypt
[23:19] <Lambda> and think about who is PLAYING those two
[23:19] <Lambda> K4U/Shadoweh
[23:19] <capth> I have.
[23:19] <Lambda> I have been told
[23:19] <Lambda> that
[23:20] <Lambda> you plan to wipe me off the face of the map
[23:20] <Lambda> but also
[23:20] <Lambda> that K4U
[23:20] <Lambda> and Shadoweh
[23:20] <Lambda> intend to Swarm you
[23:20] <Lambda> immediately after
[23:20] <Lambda> This can’t be allowed to happen
[23:20] <capth> Agreed.
[23:20] <Lambda> I can add my support to taking down Egypt in the south
[23:22] <capth> The amount of support you can give depends largely on your neighbors.
[23:22] <Lambda> yeah
[23:22] <capth> Have you determined the situation with France and Germany?
[23:22] <Lambda> I’ve got plans to deal with that
[23:22] <Lambda> don’t worry too much about my western front
[23:22] <Lambda> I’ll fight that battle
[23:23] <Lambda> what we need to worrk about is the eastern battle
[23:25] <Lambda> The real thing for us
[23:26] <Lambda> is that Shadoweh is weak NOW, but in a strong position
[23:26] <Lambda> unchecked
[23:26] <Lambda> or even AIDED
[23:26] <Lambda> she’ll have Eastern Europe on her hands
[23:26] <capth> Hmmmm....
[23:26] <Lambda> and with the West being a cluster fuck
[23:26] <Lambda> we’ll all be fighting
[23:27] <Lambda> while Russia/Italy/Poland/Turkey
[23:27] <Lambda> get systematically ELIMINATED
[23:27] <Lambda> we need to gather these 4 players
[23:27] <Lambda> and WIPE OUT the Kitten OTP alliance
[23:28] <Lambda> failure to do this results in a bad end for us
[23:28] <capth> I've talked to Dan. However, it does not appear he has started strategizing yet.
[23:28] <Lambda> Ok, when he does
[23:28] <Lambda> You/Me/Schezo
[23:28] <Lambda> and Dan
[23:28] <capth> He can only be reached byPM
[23:28] <Lambda> Ok
[23:28] <Lambda> You me and Schezo need to get to him
[23:29] <capth> Schezo is here right now, if you want to start a private, 3-way chat
[23:29] <Lambda> and make sure he moves to attack Ukraine
[23:29] <Lambda> Yeah, I’ve been talking to him
[23:29] <Lambda> yeah, 3 way chat sounds good
[23:29] <capth> Alright.
[23:29] Channel names begin with # (corrected automatically).
[23:29] <capth> The room name is diplomacy
[23:30] <capth> so, join diplomacy
[23:31] <capth> LLD?
[23:31] <Lambda> Kasy
[23:31] <Lambda> sorry


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[23:30] <Schezo> hm?
[23:30] <@capth> LLD is gathering us
[23:30] <Schezo> Lambda coming too?
[23:30] <Schezo> oh I see
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[23:31] <Lambda> ^-^
[23:32] <Schezo> Yes you three
[23:32] <Schezo> er two
[23:32] <Lambda> Here’s the deal with Western Europe
[23:32] <Schezo> are my top picks for long term partnership
[23:32] <Lambda> I think I’ve got my shit handled over there
[23:32] <Lambda> I’m pretty center of the world right now, and fighting on two borders is never fun
[23:33] <Schezo> yeah
[23:33] <Lambda> but I feel that I have good relations over there, so I have a plan in action to keep myself safe there
[23:33] <Lambda> about the East
[23:33] <Lambda> We need for Poland to push Ukraine
[23:33] <Lambda> we can’t have
[23:33] <Lambda> Ukraine and Egypt
[23:33] <Lambda> have any allies
[23:33] <Lambda> because if they do
[23:33] <Schezo> they will roll over everyone
[23:33] <Lambda> their co-ordinated actions will hurt us A LOT
[23:34] <Lambda> yeah, it’ll be domination
[23:34] <Lambda> the reason they want ME gone
[23:34] <Lambda> is because I have been saying this
[23:34] <Lambda> to my allies in the West
[23:34] <Lambda> since Minute 1
[23:34] <Schezo> oh?
[23:34] <Lambda> I wanted Shadoweh/K4U
[23:34] <Lambda> gone
[23:34] <Schezo> who are your allies there?
[23:34] <Lambda> That’s classified, nyaa~
[23:34] <Lambda>
[23:34] <Lambda> No, I can tell you
[23:34] <Schezo> I see
[23:34] <Lambda> that I had a long talk with PX
[23:34] <Schezo> it's fine for now
[23:35] <Lambda> I want to be open though
[23:35] <Lambda> I was kidding
[23:35] <Lambda> We need to be open, because this needs to work
[23:35] <Lambda> if we don’t trust eachother
[23:35] <Lambda> then this will fall apart
[23:35] <Lambda> and we’ll lose to Kitten OTP
[23:35] <Lambda> >.>
[23:35] <@capth> Alright.
[23:35] <Lambda> We NEED Poland
[23:35] <Schezo> oh I would like to hear what PX told you because I've all but declared war on him
[23:36] <Lambda> Oh?
[23:36] <Schezo> I can get Poland
[23:36] <Lambda> Well, my talks with him
[23:36] <Lambda> are basically about how to remove France from this game
[23:36] <Schezo> Germany will help Poland
[23:36] <Lambda> PX wanted France gone
[23:36] <Lambda> and I’m more than happy to oblige this
[23:36] <Lambda> because
[23:36] <Schezo> Hmm, has he said anything about GermanyxBritain becoming a thing?
[23:36] <Lambda> France in cramping down on me
[23:36] <@capth> Why would he want France gone?
[23:36] <Lambda> He’s worried abotu Germany
[23:36] <Lambda> actually
[23:37] <Schezo> oh?
[23:37] <Lambda> He said that
[23:37] <Lambda> Germany is his biggest threat
[23:37] <Lambda> and that he doesn’t trust Dorian
[23:37] <@capth> So he's wants France gone because he's worried about Germany?
[23:37] <Lambda> he wants France gone
[23:37] <Lambda> because
[23:37] <Schezo> that unusal since the way I've talked to him both Germany and Him have hinted at a Germany alliance
[23:37] <Lambda> The player from France is a notorious backstabber?
[23:37] <@capth> I should have been more clear.
[23:38] <@capth> Turn 1 they were in contact
[23:38] <@capth> I assume they aren't going to try to murder eachother during the land grab
[23:38] <Lambda> Hmm?
[23:38] <@capth> I know nothing about afterwards.
[23:38] <Lambda> England and Germany
[23:38] <Lambda> currently
[23:38] <Lambda> aren’t gunning
[23:38] <Lambda> for eachother
[23:38] <Schezo> No personally Germany has told me Britain has offered alliance
[23:38] <Schezo> but neither will tell me the outcome
[23:39] <Lambda> Then I’m going to have to hope PX stays true on France
[23:39] <Schezo> If that is true Scandinavia will turn ugly for me fast
[23:39] <Lambda> Who’s Spain?
[23:39] <Schezo> I should say this now
[23:39] <Schezo> Conq
[23:39] <Lambda> oh
[23:39] <@capth> Conq is spain
[23:39] <Lambda> I need to get him to move up and remove France
[23:39] <Lambda> hmm
[23:39] <Lambda> Yeah
[23:39] <Lambda> I can convince Germany to work with me in the West
[23:40] <Schezo> he's willing?
[23:40] <Schezo> I should say this now
[23:40] <Lambda> I mean, I’m already getting support from Germany on a move Turn 1
[23:40] <Schezo> I've got Kitten pretty whooed on an attack on Poland
[23:40] <Lambda> Okay
[23:40] <Lambda> here’s what you do
[23:40] <Lambda> Show Dan that transcript
[23:41] <Lambda> tell hiim Kitten’s coming for him
[23:41] <Lambda> and make an alliance with him
[23:41] <Lambda> K4U and Shadoweh
[23:41] <Schezo> but it depends on support from me so I can bonk her from the beginning
[23:41] <Lambda> need to be casualties #1 and 2
[23:42] <@capth> I should tell you my plans this year then.
[23:42] <@capth> Me and Schezo have worked out a deal concerning Georgia.
[23:43] <Lambda> Hmmm
[23:43] <Schezo> hmm if I'm really going to go through with that I have to make absolute sure that she won't get slick and waltz up to Volga
[23:43] <Schezo> I think that may be wise to go along with that for spring though
[23:44] <Schezo> She said something about you promising her something capt h? What was it?
[23:44] <@capth> hmmm...
[23:45] <@capth> Could you be more specific?
[23:45] <@capth> She promised she would give me arning whenever whe needed to enter the black sea
[23:45] <Schezo> that's a specific as I can be she just said if capth doesn't follow through with what he promised
[23:45] <Lambda> Oh
[23:46] <Lambda> Yeah see, that’s evidence of their scheming
[23:46] <Lambda> because unless Capt.H has promised her something directly...?
[23:47] <Schezo> If it helps you remember she's moving Kha to Don to make sure you uphold your end of something
[23:47] <@capth> What does Don have to do with anything?
[23:48] <Schezo> that's what I'm asking you, let me double check to make sure
[23:48] <Schezo> "Oh, btw, Kha-Don is so Don can move into Sev just in case capth is lying to me"
[23:48] <Schezo> about what?
[23:49] <@capth> OOHHHH
[23:49] <@capth> I promised I would move no units into the black sea
[23:49] <Schezo> but you are right? to the west?
[23:50] <@capth> ?
[23:50] <Schezo> you both promised to not move any units to the black sea this year, are you going to?
[23:50] <@capth> She didn't
[23:50] <@capth> She told me outright she wa moving her serv ship into the western black sea
[23:51] <Lambda> ...
[23:51] <Schezo> So what would you be lying about?
[23:51] <@capth> About not moving my ship into the Eastern black sea
[23:51] <@capth> The black sea is super important to both me and kitten, and a point of contention
[23:52] <@capth> We cannot take moves into the area lightly
[23:52] <Schezo> hmm ok. Why aren't you going to bounce her back from West Black Sea if we're planning on taking her out this turn?
[23:52] <@capth> This turn?
[23:52] <Schezo> well not this turn but hindereing her
[23:52] <Lambda> Yeah
[23:52] <Lambda> You should bounce he
[23:53] <@capth> You know, I wasn't planning on hindering her this turn. I was planning on focusing all my forces into getting supply centers.
[23:53] <@capth> However, that seems like a better plan.
[23:53] <Schezo> Istan can still get BUlgaria
[23:53] <Schezo> and you keep her from Romania
[23:54] <Schezo> She's doing Ode to Poldonia but with Dan's help I can bounce that and she needs my support to get Kiev to Beilorussia like she wants
[23:54] <@capth> As long as she actually moves into the black sea, that sounds like a good strategy.
[23:54] <Schezo> however I want that
[23:55] <Lambda> Yeah
[23:55] <@capth> Don't count your chickens with dan
[23:55] <Lambda> now, I have 2 fleets
[23:55] <Schezo> then Kha to don
[23:55] <@capth> We need to contact him first
[23:55] <@capth> And get more than a "natural allies" throwaway line.
[23:56] <Schezo> I'm pretty sure he won't team up with Kitten after I talk to him and Germany plans on helping him
[23:56] <Lambda> yeah
[23:56] <Lambda> Ok, about Egypt
[23:56] <Schezo> but I talked to him before that generic PM he sent you so mine's different
[23:56] <Lambda> what do you guys want to do to deal with Egypt?
[23:56] <@capth> I did the same thing, Scezo
[23:56] <@capth> I mean, IPM'd him first
[23:56] <Schezo> hmm ok
[23:57] <Lambda> I can’t really reach Egypt beyond Fleets
[23:57] <Lambda> but I have 2 fleets to work with
[23:57] <Schezo> you've worked out gaining Tun this year correct?
[23:57] <@capth> While I will be in spitting distance, a 2 front war with K4U and Shadoweh could destroy both me and K4U
[23:58] <Lambda> Tun?
[23:59] <Schezo> Tunis I think, by Libya, SPain won't contest you for that correct?
[00:00] <Lambda> Oh I see
[00:00] <Lambda> I haven’t talked about that yet, no
[00:00] <Lambda> but I can’t see him doing that
[00:00] <Lambda> especially if I agree
[00:00] <Lambda> to let him take Mon
[00:00] <Lambda> or try
[00:00] <Lambda>
[00:01] <Schezo>  ok
[00:03] <Schezo> capth can't you gain Gergia Bulgaria Greece and Iran this turn? With that can you hold a two front war with Poland and my support?
[00:03] <@capth> That is the plan
[00:03] <@capth> By the way, If you can get Tun, can you block Lybia, LLD?
[00:04] <@capth> *can't
[00:05] <Schezo> LLD what do you plan on gaining this year besides Croatia?
[00:08] <Lambda> I’ve got Tun
[00:10] <Schezo> ...Oh God, I've been planning all this without taking silly wings into account (!)
[00:10] <Lambda> hmm?
[00:10] <@capth> It shouldn't matter for you
[00:11] <@capth> You're fighting a land war, tanks ought to be plenty
[00:11] <Schezo> Not that it will do that much until later but I think I'm going to fight England on Scandinavia
[00:19] <@capth> Well, night!
[00:20] <Lambda> Night~!
[00:20] <Schezo> Goodnight

Session Ident: Lambda
 01[20:23] <capth> Hey LLD!
[20:24] <Lambda> Hi ^-^
 01[20:24] <capth> K4U is asking about the nature of your relationship and your future plans. What should I tell her?
 01[20:25] <capth> *relationship with Dorian Grey
[20:25] <Lambda> I am currently in a ceasefire with Dorian
[20:25] <Lambda> and that's all for right now
 01[20:25] <capth> Right, but what should I tell her?
[20:25] <Lambda> We're just leaving eachother alone
[20:25] <Lambda> Tell her that.
 01[20:26] <capth> K4U is also asking about your target.
 01[20:26] <capth> She and Shadoweh are very close.
[20:27] <Lambda> Tell her my only plans are to gain land right now
[20:27] <Lambda> I'm new to the game
[20:27] <Lambda> so I don't know much strategy~
 01[20:27] <capth> Good to know.
[20:28] <Lambda> Obviously we have our plans
 01[20:28] <capth> But a little bit of a blatant lie
[20:28] <Lambda> for targets
[20:28] <Lambda> say I'm gunning for France
 01[20:29] <capth> :/
 01[20:29] <capth> There are a few things I'm worried about.
 01[20:30] <capth> 1. I don't know where Dan stands
[20:30] <Lambda> Dan's being paranoid as fuck
 01[20:30] <capth> 2. I don't want to piss off my neighbors.
[20:30] <Lambda> You're Turkey
[20:30] <Lambda> You have Kitten to the North
[20:30] <Lambda> Shadoweh to the south
[20:30] <Lambda> you're gonna need to fight that battle at some point
 01[20:30] <capth> Right.
[20:30] <Lambda> might as well do it NOW
[20:30] <Lambda> while you have a chance
[20:30] <Lambda> and have allies
 01[20:30] <capth> Pissing off one means pissing off both
 01[20:31] <capth> And I don't seem to have Dan
[20:31] <Lambda> Not doing anything
[20:31] <Lambda> means you forfeit your game to them
 01[20:31] <capth> I was thinking of waiting until Spring of 1995 to make my moves.
 1[20:32] <capth> Right now, the plan is for me to block K4U's move into the West sea
 01[20:32] <capth> Problem is that if I do that, I'll have to fight Shadoweh's 6 districution centers the very next year, with K4U helping her
[20:33] <Lambda> Yeah
[20:33] <Lambda> they're coming at you
[20:33] <Lambda> after me
[20:33] <Lambda> And you know what?
 01[20:33] <capth> If I put off my kitten attack a year, Shadoweh won't be able to reach me until 1996
[20:33] <Lambda> This first turn is a land grab
[20:33] <Lambda> but I'm already on the offensive at Shadoweh
[20:33] <Lambda> Once I get Tunis
[20:34] <Lambda> and once a supply turn comes around
 01[20:34] <capth> Which mean I'll have a full extra year to work with 8 resources before Shadoweh and k$u's combined offensives get to me
[20:34] <Lambda> I'll have something I can do down there
[20:35] <Lambda> yeah
[20:35] <Lambda> K4U
[20:35] <Lambda> is gonna have other things to worry about
[20:39] <Lambda> like
[20:39] <Lambda> if Schezo and Dan do what we want
[20:39] <Lambda> and Dan doesn't SUCK AT THIS GAME
 01[20:40] <capth> K4U is asking about your allies.
[20:40] <Lambda> Tell K4U
[20:40] <Lambda> to talk to me
[20:41] <Lambda> herself
[20:41] <Lambda> if she wants to know shit
 01[20:41] <capth> She's asking me because she talked to you.
[20:41] <Lambda> WHAT
[20:41] <Lambda> SHE NEVER TALKED TO ME
[20:42] <Lambda> That lying little...
 01[20:42] <capth> Wait, my bad.
[20:42] <Lambda> I haven't talked to K4U this whole game
 01[20:42] <capth> Germany won't talk to us, we we're assuming Italy won't either.
 01[20:42] <capth> That's what she said
 01[20:42] <capth> no joke intended
[20:43] <Lambda> Tell her if she wants to know what my plans are
[20:43] <Lambda> she can talk to me
 01[20:43] <capth> It would be more natural if you decided to engage in diplomatic relations yourself
 0120:43] <capth> I haven't told her that I'm asking you what you want to tell her
[20:44] <Lambda> Ok
[20:44] <Lambda> Well
[20:44] <Lambda> If she asks about me again
[20:44] <Lambda> say that you don't know much else
[20:44] <Lambda> and that she should talk to me directly if she wants to find out
 01[20:44] <capth> I won't say the last part
 01[20:44] <capth> If she isn't talking to you directly, there is a reason
[20:45] <Lambda> She's attacking me
[20:45] <Lambda> and she wants your help
[20:45] <Lambda> and if you help her
[20:45] <Lambda> you die immediately after
[20:45] <Lambda> THAT'S the reason
[20:45] <Lambda> She's trying to get you
[20:45] <Lambda> to seal your own fate
 01[20:46] <capth> That's not a good idea.
 01[20:46] <capth> She's assuming I am betraying you.
[20:46] <Lambda> Yeah
 01[20:46] <capth> So you should assume that she assumes I am betraying you.
[20:47] <Lambda> okay
[20:47] <Lambda> I'll say this once though
[20:47] <Lambda> I'm trusting you implicitly
[20:47] <Lambda> and expicitly
[20:47] <Lambda> to do the right move
[20:47] <Lambda> if you don't, we all lose
 01[20:47] <capth> I'm just as screwed as you are if she finds out.
[20:47] <Lambda> and if I get screwed because you help them
 01[20:47] <capth> Alright, two things you should know.
[20:48] <Lambda> trust me I'm not going to be happy
[20:48] <Lambda> :S
 01[20:48] <capth> 1. I am moving to Georgia next turn. I can not afford to be on bad terms with K4u, and her trust is more valuable than blocking her from a resource.
 01[20:49] <capth> 2. She's moving from Ode to Podolia
[20:49] <Lambda> so closer to me
 01[20:49] <capth> Anyway, who do you want her to think your allies are?
[20:50] <Lambda> Tell her I'm working with Spain and Britain
[20:50] <Lambda> and have a peace treaty with Germany
 01[20:50] <capth> One more thing.
[20:51] <Lambda> Yes?

Session Start: Fri Jul 29 20:53:13 2011
Session Ident: Lambda
 01[20:53] <capth_> Sorry, disconnected
 01[20:54] <capth_> There is one last thing
 01[20:54] <capth_> You said you were allies with England and Spain.
 01[20:54] <capth_> I would like to tell her about your move to Tun
 01[20:54] <capth_> And you move to Cro
[20:54] <Lambda> This seems like a lot of playing both sides
 01[20:54] <capth_> She's too far away to stop them
 01[20:55] <capth_> And she's going to find out anyway
[20:55] <Lambda> telling her you know that
 01[20:55] <capth_> It will help her trust me
[20:55] <Lambda> only shows that I have been talking to you
[20:55] <Lambda> Yeah
[20:55] <Lambda> Trust you
 01[20:55] <capth_> Right
[20:55] <Lambda> Ok fine, tell her
[20:55] <Lambda> but I'm telling you if I get fucked
[20:55] <Lambda> I'm not going to be going after them
 01[20:55] <capth_> I don't have to tell her anything, you know
 01[20:56] <capth_> It's actually none of my buisness, so she would understand me not knowing most the things I said
[20:56] <Lambda> No, you should tell her
[20:57] <Lambda> I mean, I can't stop you from doing it anyway
[20:57] <Lambda> and it helps you help me in the end
 01[20:57] <capth_> Alright
[20:57] <Lambda> but know that I', worried about being backstabbed
[20:57] <Lambda> and if I DO get backstabbed
[20:57] <Lambda> I'll be finding out who did it
 01[20:57] <capth_> I'm not giving her info she can backstab you with
[20:58] <Lambda> Yeah, I'm more referring to having her be put in a position
[20:58] <Lambda> where she and Shadoweh can systematically eliminate me
[21:00] <Lambda> I'm worried about thaty
[21:00] <Lambda> and if that happens
 01[21:00] <capth_> She's askingg for the log
[21:00] <Lambda> Oh Stuff Her
[21:01] <Lambda> Say it erased
[21:01] <Lambda> when you Disq'd
 01[21:01] <capth_> Nah, she knows where it is. I'll handle it
 01[21:06] <capth> Yeah, this isn't going to work
[21:06] <Lambda> what's going on?
01[21:12] <capth_> She's asking for log files and screen shots
[21:12] <Lambda> That's still BS
[21:13] <Lambda> and I'll be raising it to the mod in post game
 01[21:13] <capth_> Cheating is allowed in Diplomacy
[21:13] <Lambda> I would never ask for that kind of thing.
[21:13] <Lambda> It's just unethical.
 01[21:23] <capth> You want me to just give her this file, minus Schezo and Dan stuff?
[21:24] <Lambda> Give her whatever you think will help you
 01[21:24] <capth> What I give her may hurt you.
 01[21:25] <capth> I'll tell her about this, but I won't give her Schezo or Dan.
[21:25] <Lambda> What you give her
[21:25] <Lambda> if it hurts me
[21:25] <Lambda> trust that the pain will not be felt solely by... me.
 01[21:25] <capth> They are planning on waging all out war on you.'
[21:25] <Lambda> Yeah, I know that/.
 01[21:25] <capth> What could possible hurt less than that?
 01[21:25] <capth> *more
[21:26] <Lambda> -shrug- You tell me. You were the one who said it might hurt.
 01[21:35] <capth> You know, it's easier to just say I'm declaring war on her :/
[21:36] <Lambda> You should do what;s best for you
 1[21:36] <capth> Yeah
 01[21:36] <capth> Sure
 01[21:36] <capth> Screw it
 01[21:37] <capth> See ya
Session Close: Fri Jul 29 21:37:40 2011
Session Close: Fri Jul 29 21:37:46 2011

Session Start: Fri Jul 29 21:37:48 2011
Session Ident: Lambda
[21:37] Session Ident: Lambda (PPIrC, capth) (~ushiromiy@469CA4C3.94F04D80.E8A50C5A.IP)
[21:37] <Lambda> You going to bed?
Session Close: Fri Jul 29 23:43:01 2011


Session Start: Fri Jul 29 20:28:58 2011
Session Ident: Kitten4u
[20:28] Session Ident: Kitten4u (PPIrC, capth) (~kitten4uo@qq-5638EFE8.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
[20:28] <Kitten4u> Oh good, you were able to get on IRC
[20:29] <Kitten4u> Did you get my PM?
 01[20:29] <capth> Yep. I'm talking to LLD right now.
[20:30] <Kitten4u> Oh, so they are willing to talk to you.  Good
[20:30] <Kitten4u> Have you heard anything interesting yet?
 01[20:30] <capth> LLD is willing to talk to me.
 01[20:30] <capth> Dorian keeps his cards close to his chest.
[20:31] <Kitten4u> Have you heard anything interesting yet?
 01[20:35] <capth> I don't think Dorian and LLD are allies, so much as they plan on tolerating eachother's presence
[20:36] <Kitten4u> What makes you say this?
 01[20:36] <capth> Two reasons
 01[20:38] <capth> 1. the players I have talked to all tell me he's staying neutral
 01[20:38] <capth> 2. LLD told me she's avoiding war with Germany during the land grab.
[20:38] <Kitten4u> Hm...Okay
[20:38] <Kitten4u> Do you know where LLD plans to go?
 01[20:39] <capth> She claims she's going after France.
[20:39] <Kitten4u> Alright
[20:40] <Kitten4u> Does she have any allies?
 01[20:45] <capth> Give me a few more minutes. Sorry.
[20:45] <Kitten4u> No worries

Session Start: Fri Jul 29 20:53:11 2011
Session Ident: Kitten4u
 01[20:53] <capth_> Sorry, disconnected
[20:53] <Kitten4u> No worries
[20:55] <Kitten4u> Anyway, the questions I've been asking are just some specific things I was curious about
[20:55] <Kitten4u> Really, the more info you can give to us the better.  You'll be attacking her with us at some point anyway
[20:55] <Kitten4u> If you're feeling lazy you can just copy/paste your chat log
 01[20:56] <capth_> I lost my chat log.
 01[20:56] <capth_> When I was disconnected
[20:56] <Kitten4u> I know some clients save logs
[20:56] <Kitten4u> Which client do you use?
 01[20:57] <capth_> mIRC
[20:57] <Kitten4u> Okay, let me see
[20:59] <Kitten4u> Tools --> Options
[20:59] <Kitten4u> On the side panel
[20:59] <Kitten4u> IRC --> Logging
[21:00] <Kitten4u> At the bottom of that menu it should tell you where it's saving your logs
 01[21:00] <capth_> Got it
 01[21:00] <capth_> Hold on a second
[21:00] <Kitten4u> k
 01[21:03] <capth> Meh, screw it.
[21:03] <Kitten4u> ?
 01[21:04] <capth> Too difficult to find at the moment
[21:04] <Kitten4u>
[21:04] <Kitten4u> Didn't you normally use the webchat before now?
 01[21:04] <capth> Yes
[21:04] <Kitten4u> There should only be like 3 things in the logs folder
 01[21:04] <capth> First time with mIRC
 01[21:04] <capth> No, I mean, to difficult to find the **** folder
[21:05] <Kitten4u> ...
[21:05] <Kitten4u> Okay then
[21:05] <Kitten4u> Go back to that spot, click on the button with the path, scroll to the top and screenshot it for me
[21:05] <Kitten4u> I can tell you the path
 01[21:06] <capth> Wait, this one's still opne?
[21:07] <Kitten4u> [18:58] <Kitten4u> Tools --> Options
[21:07] <Kitten4u> [18:58] <Kitten4u> On the side panel
[21:07] <Kitten4u> [18:58] <Kitten4u> IRC --> Logging
[21:07] <Kitten4u> [18:58] <Kitten4u> At the bottom of that menu it should tell you where it's saving your logs
[21:07] <Kitten4u> The bottom of the menu is a button
[21:07] <Kitten4u> If you click it it will bring up a screen
 01[21:07] <capth> No, I mean, I thought Iwas disconnected from this username
[21:07] <Kitten4u> Scroll to the top and I can tell you the path
[21:07] <Kitten4u> Eh, don't worry about it.  IRC is weird.
 01[21:08] <capth> AND WHY IS IT BINGING EVERY 3 SECONDS
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Make sure you've scrolled all the way down?
[21:09] <Kitten4u> So, can I haz screenshot?
[21:09] <Kitten4u> Unless you're willing to quit being lazy and find the totally easy to find path.
[21:21] <Kitten4u> Oh wait
[21:21] <Kitten4u> You might not even need the path
 01[21:21] <capth> ?
 01[21:21] <capth> That would be very helpful
 01[21:21] <capth> Because the logs are stored in AppData
 01[21:22] <capth> NVM
 01[21:22] <capth> What were you saying about not needing the path?
[21:24] <Kitten4u> Tools --> Log Files
 01[21:26] <capth> Keep going
[21:26] <Kitten4u> ...Then you just click the log you want and open it
 01[21:27] <capth> Ah. Got it!
[21:27] <Kitten4u> Excellent
 01[21:29] <capth> I'll send you the logs tonight.
[21:29] <Kitten4u> You can't just send them now? :S
[21:29] <Kitten4u> Just copy/paste it here
 01[21:30] <capth> I can do that?
[21:30] <Kitten4u> Yes
[21:30] <Kitten4u> You hit CTRL + C and then CTRL + V.
 01[21:31] <capth> [20:25] <Lambda> I am currently in a ceasefire with Dorian
 01[21:31] <capth> [20:25] <Lambda> and that's all for right now
 01[21:31] <capth> Cool
[21:31] <Kitten4u> That's the whole thing?
 01[21:32] <capth> No
[21:32] <Kitten4u>
 01[21:32] <capth> For some reason, I can't scroll the whole thing :/
[21:32] <Kitten4u> CTRL + A
[21:32] <Kitten4u> CTRL + C
 01[21:32] <capth> I'm actually surprised I was able to copy it like that
[21:32] <Kitten4u> CTRL + V
 01[21:34] <capth> GDI
 01[21:34] <capth> CTRL + A does nothing
[21:34] <Kitten4u> Click in the log file
[21:34] <Kitten4u> CTRL + A is select all
 01[21:34] <capth> I know
 01[21:34] <capth> I know what it does, but the **** log file won't highlight like that
[21:34] <Kitten4u> Works fine for me
 01[21:35] <capth> I was only able to copy because my mouse was already clicked when I hit ctrl + c
[21:35] <Kitten4u> Screenshot it then?
 01[21:35] <capth> Sure.
Session Close: Fri Jul 29 21:37:40 2011
Session Close: Fri Jul 29 21:37:46 2011

Session Start: Fri Jul 29 21:42:18 2011
Session Ident: Kitten4u
[21:42] Session Ident: Kitten4u (PPIrC, capth) (~kitten4uo@qq-5638EFE8.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
[21:42] <Kitten4u> So?
[21:44] <Kitten4u> Oh, I have another thought too
[21:44] <Kitten4u> These log files are text files right?
[21:44] <Kitten4u> Just save it somewhere else and upload it to Mediafire or something
[21:48] <Kitten4u> Are you there?
[22:06] <Kitten4u> :/
[22:07] <Kitten4u> I don't understand why you don't want to give it to me.  You're going to be fighting with us yes?  That information would be incredibly helpful
[22:30] <Kitten4u> Well, if you're still willing to talk to me
[22:30] <Kitten4u> Have you spoken to Schezo anymore?
Session Close: Fri Jul 29 23:43:01 2011


[20:57] <Kitten4u> I don't suppose I can have that log? :<
[20:57] <capth> No.
[20:57] <Kitten4u> Why not? :<
[20:58] <capth> Because it has information about future allies
[20:59] <Kitten4u> A private conversation between you and LLD?
[20:59] <capth> LLD's been busy.
[20:59] <Kitten4u> I'm talking about the conversation between you and LLD.
[20:59] <capth> Right.
[21:00] <Kitten4u> I'm a little confused why you don't want to give me it?
[21:00] <Kitten4u> Like, what are you willing to tell her that you're not willing to tell me?
[21:00] <Kitten4u> I thought you were going to murder her
[21:00] <capth> Well naturally I'm going to murder her.
[21:01] <Kitten4u> And Shadoweh's going to help
[21:01] <capth> Right.
[21:01] <Kitten4u> So what's the problem with telling us stuff about her?
[21:02] <capth> I can talk all day about her.
[21:02] <Kitten4u> Isn't that the entire IDEA behind talking to her?
[21:03] <Kitten4u> I guess that goes back to this
[21:03] <Kitten4u> > [18:58] <Kitten4u> Like, what are you willing to tell her that you're not willing to tell me?
[21:04] <Kitten4u> It's not like I'm asking for logs of every conversation you've had, I just want to see the one with LLD
[21:05] <Kitten4u> Also, Shadoweh's asking if you'd like to make a channel so the three of us could talk

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[21:07] <Kitten4u> Why do you use a channel instead of the server status window?
[21:07] <Shadoweh> ur doin ir rong
[21:08] <Kitten4u> To join channels I mea
[21:08] <Kitten4u> n
[21:08] <Shadoweh> >.> I do the same thing
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Anyway
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Why can't I have my log? ;__;
[21:09] <@capth> Honest answer?
[21:09] <Shadoweh> Let me see if I understand this
[21:09] <Shadoweh> Honesty is a good thing
[21:10] <@capth> Because I don't think you'll survive what's being planned, and I can't afford to have 3-4 way war on my hands.
[21:10] <Kitten4u> Well, knowing would certainly make it easier for us to deal with.
[21:10] <@capth> The best thing you can do for your health is declare total warfare on Shadoweh. The plaers are terrified of you two on the same side
[21:11] <Shadoweh> The only way we could war with each other is barreling through you
[21:11] <Kitten4u> I can't *touch* Shadoweh
[21:11] <Shadoweh> That would be utterly silly for you to want.
[21:11] <@capth> I realize that
[21:11] <Kitten4u> Even if I did kill you
[21:11] <@capth> You want to convince the other players that you two are not on the same side
[21:11] <Kitten4u> I also don't really see how anyone can touch me
[21:12] <Kitten4u> I don't understand. The only people that can get near Shadoweh is you and LLD
[21:12] <@capth> Right
[21:12] <Kitten4u> So what can they do to her?
[21:12] <@capth> Shadoweh isn't in any danger as a result

The Great Diplomacy of Rainbows 1994
« Sent to: capt. h on: Today at 05:53:35 pm »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »
So I'm getting the feeling Italy is telling you that I want to destroy you.
I fiigure this because Italy sent me a rather unhappy stream of messages implying I want to destroy you.
Also I keep getting messages from countries I've never spoken to about my intentions towards you.
Simply put Italy is trying to turn us against each other with propaganda so she can delay us feasting on her provinces. My plans haven't changed from what we put together at the start. Hopefully neither have yours. >.>b


Re: The Great Diplomacy of Rainbows 1994
« Sent to: Shadoweh on: Today at 06:30:49 pm »
Indeed, Italy, Spain, Germany, and Poland have warned me about you and Ukraine

However, after some thought, my orders are the same as originally planned. I believe it will be in my advantage to stick to our original agreement.

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[21:07] <Kitten4u> Why do you use a channel instead of the server status window?
[21:07] <Shadoweh> ur doin ir rong
[21:08] <Kitten4u> To join channels I mea
[21:08] <Kitten4u> n
[21:08] <Shadoweh> >.> I do the same thing
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Anyway
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Why can't I have my log? ;__;
[21:09] <@capth> Honest answer?
[21:09] <Shadoweh> Let me see if I understand this
[21:09] <Shadoweh> Honesty is a good thing
[21:10] <@capth> Because I don't think you'll survive what's being planned, and I can't afford to have 3-4 way war on my hands.
[21:10] <Kitten4u> Well, knowing would certainly make it easier for us to deal with.
[21:10] <@capth> The best thing you can do for your health is declare total warfare on Shadoweh. The plaers are terrified of you two on the same side
[21:11] <Shadoweh> The only way we could war with each other is barreling through you
[21:11] <Kitten4u> I can't *touch* Shadoweh
[21:11] <Shadoweh> That would be utterly silly for you to want.
[21:11] <@capth> I realize that
[21:11] <Kitten4u> Even if I did kill you
[21:11] <@capth> You want to convince the other players that you two are not on the same side
[21:11] <Kitten4u> I also don't really see how anyone can touch me
[21:12] <Kitten4u> I don't understand. The only people that can get near Shadoweh is you and LLD
[21:12] <@capth> Right
[21:12] <Kitten4u> So what can they do to her?
[21:12] <@capth> Shadoweh isn't in any danger as a result
[21:13] <Kitten4u> So if you're already telling us this why can't you just give us the log?
[21:13] <@capth> Telling you what?
[21:13] <@capth> I haven't told you anything you can use against me
[21:13] <Kitten4u> What makes you think we even would? :S
[21:14] <Kitten4u> If we wanted to kill you we would just kill you
[21:14] <@capth> paranoia
[21:14] <Kitten4u> It's not exactly complicated.
[21:14] <@capth> Everyone's out to get me
[21:14] <Shadoweh> You don't have to be paranoid. The scenario you outlined was expected. It's why we aren't.
[21:15] <Shadoweh> Alot of people keep telling me about my plans to invade Turkey, and frankly it pisses me off to have other people chatting about things I've never said I'm going to do.
[21:16] <Shadoweh> Looking at the map. Even if every other country goes against us, yes, all of them, they can't reach us all at once. This is assuming every single one of them can put aside their personal grievances, which they can't.
[21:17] <Shadoweh> They have to fight us one at a time. Logically, one at a time we can grow and advance on them. Our side of the board has more free growth then their side. As long as we aren't in-fighting we can take them.
[21:21] <Shadoweh> Any information you'd give us about future allies would be pointless for us to use, because in the scenario you'd need them, we're probably not on the board anymore
[21:21] <@capth> Shadoweh, you and Kitten are not the same player.
[21:22] <@capth> You'll still be on the board for certain.
[21:22] <Shadoweh> I'm glad one of you realizes that.
[21:23] <Kitten4u> So I still don't see the reason you can't give us the log
[21:24] <Shadoweh> Logs are boring, I'm not interested in seeing it. Kitten just wants to know if you're planning her demise or not. Frankly I'd rather you not because it would be more turns Italy gets to live.
[21:24] <@capth> I'm not planning Kitten's demise, but she'll probably need my support in the north.
[21:24] <Kitten4u> No, I want to see the actual log at this point unless I see a really good reason for why I shouldn't want to see the whole thing
[21:25] <Kitten4u> I would have been fine with not seeing it before, but I am rather displeased by this hiding things from me
[21:25] <@capth> So, start planning moves.
[21:25] <@capth> How do you want me to get up there
[21:25] <Kitten4u> I need to know what's happening first
[21:25] <@capth> Everyone wants to kill you
[21:25] <Kitten4u> Yes, I'm quite aware of this
[21:26] <@capth> I mean EVERYONE
[21:26] <@capth> immediately
[21:26] <Kitten4u> So why can't I see the log?
[21:26] <Kitten4u> You've already told me this much
[21:26] <Kitten4u> Letting me know their moves would let me plan against them better
[21:26] <@capth> Because I was working with them
[21:26] <@capth> They all said you would betray me, including third party nations
[21:26] <@capth> And they say they'll kill me if I help you and they win
[21:27] <@capth> Although I don't actually know there moves
[21:27] <Shadoweh> That is generally how wars go. The thing is, if you do help them, they'll still kill you.
[21:27] <@capth> Well, I have no idea what there moves are
[21:28] <Kitten4u> Can I have the log now?
[21:28] <@capth> I don't usually ask about things that don't concern me, like your northern border
[21:28] <@capth> GDI
[21:28] <@capth> FINE
[21:28] <Kitten4u>
[21:28] <@capth> I'M NEVER SHOWINg ANYONE LOGS AGAIN THOUGH
[21:28] <Kitten4u> :<
[21:29] <Shadoweh> ^^; Kitten is stubborn. Knowing their exact wordings will help figure out the openings moves.
[21:29] <Shadoweh> Everything afterwords tends to be academic
[21:29] <@capth> Session Start: Fri Jul 29 20:23:36 2011
[21:29] <@capth> Oh, screw this.
[21:29] <@capth> I'll send it in a PM
[21:29] <Kitten4u> k
[21:31] <@capth> SENT
[21:32] <@capth> I HAVE NO IDEA HOW INCRIMINATING THAT LOG FILE IS FOR ME
[21:32] <Shadoweh> It's probably less so since you already admitted it :p
[21:33] <Shadoweh> You are bad at hiding things. ^-^
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[21:34] <@capth> BAH
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[21:34] <@capth> Incidentally, I will not be moving into the Western Black Sea
[21:35] <Shadoweh> Teehee.  Incidentally, I got the cutest message from Dorian_Germany threatening to attack me with Italy if I didn't tell him about Kitten's plans.
[21:35] <@capth> Dorian is a non-factor
[21:35] <@capth> he has no allies
[21:35] <Shadoweh> It was kind of like, oh no, don't attack me with the place I'm declaring war on
[21:35] <Shadoweh> He's allies with Italy. Anything they say otherwise is a lie
[21:36] <@capth> I'm allies with Italy she thinks
[21:36] <@capth> That's why I say they don't have anything to do with eachother
[21:36] <@capth> No, it's Russia and Polanbd you have to watch out for
[21:38] <@capth> LLD's plan is to have Me, Russia, and Poland all fight K4U at the same time, immediately, and for me to use the extra resources to fight a 2 front war.
[21:39] <@capth> Incidentally, I'm terrible with secrets
[21:39] <@capth> And lies
[21:39] <Shadoweh> Meanwhile LLD what, has champaign in the Italian house?
[21:39] <@capth> LLD was going to help me with Egypt
[21:39] <Shadoweh> You are. I never asked you to lie for me. ^_^
[21:40] <@capth> I know
[21:41] <Shadoweh> I think she's mad we were plotting Italy's downfall
[21:41] <Shadoweh> I told her the truth, I wanted it dead before it had a player. :<
[21:41] <Kitten4u> I don't even know why she's worried about me. I can't touch Italy.
[21:42] <@capth> She's worried about you and Shadoweh togather
[21:42] <Kitten4u> Still can't touch Italy
[21:42] <@capth> She wants to stop me and Shadoweh's plan
[21:42] <Shadoweh> Yeah, she should be worried about me and you together. Which from the sounds of it, she is
[21:42] <Shadoweh> Of course she does, can you blame her for not wanting to die?
[21:43] <Shadoweh> A key difference between out expansion plans is there's space after Italy for both of us. Their plans involve you being surrounded by Italy and Poland, where are you suposed to go from there?
[21:44] <@capth> Heh.
[21:44] <@capth> Honestly?
[21:44] <@capth> Mother Russia XD
[21:44] <Shadoweh> Poor Schezoz XD
[21:45] <Shadoweh> I'm interested to see if Schezo seriously goes through with attacking Kitten. I don't think he can do it!
[21:45] <@capth> He can
[21:45] <@capth> He's more scared of your alliance than LLD
[21:45] <Shadoweh> wat
[21:45] <@capth> He gave me Geogia on the condition that I attack K4U, before LLD approached me
[21:46] <Shadoweh> Has anyone told him this isn't one of those folding over maps and I can't move down to appear above him?
[21:46] <@capth> Everyone is scared of the two of you combined
[21:46] <Shadoweh> Everyone is silly.
[21:47] <Shadoweh> But they're more mafia players then Diplomacy players, so I forgive them
[21:47] <@capth> That's why the best thing you can do is make an outward appearance of hating K4U
[21:47] <Shadoweh> Oh come on no one would believe that
[21:47] <@capth> Probably XD
[21:47] <Kitten4u> I really don't get it. We'd be the most useless alliance ever.
[21:48] <Kitten4u> We can't work together to do anything besides kill you
[21:48] <Shadoweh> Alliance of way too far apart to do anything
[21:48] <Kitten4u> I swear they're just trying to appeal to your paranoia
[21:48] <@capth> I cannot name a nation that has not said you two will crush me.
[21:48] <Kitten4u> Logically we should
[21:48] <@capth> Yeah
[21:48] <Kitten4u> But the idea made us feel like jerks
[21:49] <Kitten4u> So we decided not to
[21:49] <Kitten4u> THe fact that we could murder you easily doesn't mean we can do the same to everyone else
[21:49] <Shadoweh> Don't give me so much nice credit. It would be a short term play that would let the other nations expand too much.
[21:49] <Kitten4u> Again, ShadowehxKitten4u OTP would be the mose useless alliance ever
[21:50] <Shadoweh> I can see why it looks so obvious, but I see advantages to skipping the consolidation and just working with you directly to estroy people.
[21:52] <@capth> Anyway, K4U will need northern allies
[21:52] <Kitten4u> We should be fine there
[21:52] <@capth> Can you get Germany on your side, or do I have to move my troops through Russia?
[21:52] <Kitten4u> AHAHAHAHA
[21:52] <Kitten4u> Germany won't talk to me.
[21:52] <Kitten4u> Murdering Russia is not necissary anyway
[21:52] <@capth> Can you get England to distract Russia?
[21:52] <Kitten4u> Just murder Italy
[21:53] <@capth> O.K....
[21:53] <Kitten4u> I have ways to deal with things. >_>b
[21:53] <Shadoweh> Actually Germany will talk to us
[21:53] <Kitten4u> He won't talk to me. >__>
[21:53] <@capth> Germany is staying neutral
[21:53] <Shadoweh> Like how he said he wants to reduce Kitten to 1 province so she can watch the rest of the game in uselessness
[21:53] <Kitten4u> Our one conversation went: Dorian: I'm going to kill you. Me: k
[21:54] <@capth> Wow
[21:54] <@capth> Anyway, Dan is more paranoid than allied against you
[21:54] <Shadoweh> We don't blame him after the last game ^.^
[21:54] <Kitten4u> LLD is definitely lying about him staying neutral
[21:54] <@capth> You have the log files
[21:54] <Kitten4u> But LLD is scum, so it's okay.
[21:54] <Kitten4u> Yes
[21:54] <Kitten4u> She is lying to you
[21:54] <@capth> Good to know
[21:54] <Shadoweh> He's probably staying neutral because at the moment Poland is between him and us
[21:55] <Kitten4u> He's staying neutral to some things, but he is definitely not staying neutral to everything
[21:55] <Shadoweh> 'staying neutral' means 'building up before the zerg comes my way'
[21:57] <Shadoweh> Has anyone offered to ally with France? Poor France..
[21:58] <Kitten4u> Indeed. :<
[21:58] <@capth> You know, he's loyal to a fault
[21:58] <@capth> We could use him
[21:58] <Shadoweh> Yes, but he prooobably won't talk to us
[21:58] <@capth> (At least, I got that impression from last game)
[21:58] <Kitten4u> I can't imagine why. >_> <_<
[21:58] <@capth> I wonder why >_>
[21:58] <Shadoweh> He is, he's actually pretty adorable
[21:59] * Kitten4u whistles
[21:59] <@capth> I still don't understand why you betrayed him
[21:59] <Shadoweh> Mrs. Stabby wanted french fries that night
[21:59] <Kitten4u> FRANCE
[21:59] <Kitten4u> I have no regrets. >:|
[21:59] <Kitten4u> HE MESSED WITH MY WORLD DOMINATION PLANS
[21:59] <@capth> I mean, you only one because Conq gave up on winning
[21:59] <Shadoweh> Teehee. It was the quickest way for us to go for the solo win
[21:59] <Kitten4u> >:T
[21:59] <@capth> *won
[21:59] <Kitten4u> No, we would have won if he tried to fight us
[22:00] <Kitten4u> I was so freakishly paranoid by the end you wouldn't believe it
[22:00] <Shadoweh> Nah, Conq gave up because K4U explained to him how she would have won no matter what he did
[22:00] <@capth> pffft
[22:00] <Kitten4u> I had plans for just about EVERY outcome I saw
[22:00] <Kitten4u> His units were too out of position. There wasn't much he could do
[22:00] <Shadoweh> Yeah, we just took advantage of the right positions.
[22:01] <Shadoweh> I didn't really want to, to be honest, but we had to win alone because Schezo is a jerk
[22:01] <Kitten4u> I would have won solo anyway.
[22:01] <Kitten4u> It certainly made the endgame more interesting.
[22:01] <Shadoweh> Hey who was the main head last game?
[22:02] <Kitten4u> Me. I totally usurped your position
[22:02] <Shadoweh> Admittedly it was really fun to constantly throw the game into chaos
[22:02] <Shadoweh> ;_;
[22:02] <Shadoweh> Just because I was drunk that one time
[22:02] <Kitten4u> BUILD IN BAR
[22:02] <Kitten4u> SUPPORTING IS FOR WUSSES
[22:03] <Shadoweh> ATTACKING IS PRO-TOWN
[22:03] <Kitten4u> Alas, no one is town in Diplomacy. Everyone's a ITP
[22:03] <Kitten4u> So you were playing suboptimally.
[22:04] <Shadoweh> ;_; But I'm the townest
[22:05] <@capth> anyone mind if I prepare a package for Dolls?
[22:05] <Shadoweh> A package?
[22:05] <Kitten4u> And this is why you got lynched D1 when you were a ITP
[22:05] <Shadoweh> Is it going to vig him?
[22:05] <@capth> Mods like to know what's going on :/
[22:05] <Shadoweh> OKAY THAT WAS DIFFERENT
[22:05] <Shadoweh> Oh, no I don't care if you send DollS stuff
[22:05] <Kitten4u> Yeah, that's fine
[22:06] <Shadoweh> Actually one of the people I can blame for that is right here! ;-; You surprise hammered me because you take the rules so seriously!
[22:06] <@capth> Rules are absolute
[22:06] <@capth> Rules that are not absolute should not be in the game
[22:07] <Shadoweh> In that circumstance it wasn't true though
[22:07] <Shadoweh> The thing is, the role itself can't be used to judge alignment, that's always true. It's what people DO with the powers they're given that matters.
[22:08] <Shadoweh> What I was trying to explain was the rules would show you I wasn't scum because of the mechanic of being able to start the day with a vote on a townie
[22:08] <Shadoweh> It would count as an extra vote and force a LYLO announcement early
[22:08] <Shadoweh> I wasn't asking you to trust me, I was saying the mod would tell you if I was scum or not
[22:09] <@capth> First, I wasn't going to wait that long
[22:09] <Shadoweh> Which is fair
[22:09] <@capth> Second, Truth is, I didn't realize that at the time
[22:10] <Shadoweh> It wasn't exactly the strongest argument. I really wanted to make that claim in a real lylo ;-;
[22:10] <@capth> I was in the fifteen minutes between work and a picnic that would outlast the deadline
[22:10] <@capth> I didn't think it through
[22:10] <@capth> Surprise work picnics. WooHoo
[22:10] <Shadoweh> ;-; I explained it all out, how cruel
[22:10] <@capth> Yeah, 2 hours before deadline
[22:10] <Kitten4u> Oh dear
[22:11] <@capth> I mean, ebd of work
[22:11] <Shadoweh> Haha, well I wasn't town so I can't really be upset with you
[22:11] <@capth> Sorry
[22:11] <@capth> Nah, you should be angry
[22:12] <Shadoweh> No, it was a dangerous line I was trying to walk. It would have been fair for you to say 'No, you're scummy, let's not wait that long to lynch you.'
[22:12] <Shadoweh> But I think you did something similar the next day when all the roles started popping out
[22:13] <Shadoweh> Like, for example, Mikhail
[22:14] <Shadoweh> His revival power didn't exactly make him town
[22:14] <@capth> I know
[22:14] <Shadoweh> But the way he used it, to bring back someone that could prove the scum was lying, that was town
[22:14] <@capth> I was lazy too. Which is why I won't be in the next game
[22:14] <Shadoweh> Awh, but huh whatty wants more players <.<
[22:15] <@capth> Mind you, that role block was the single most useful acttion in the game, ironically.
[22:15] <@capth> And I wouldn't be opposed to taking MVP town for it
[22:16] <@capth> But I was too lazy to be as good as I need to be, at it was just a lucky shot
[22:16] <Shadoweh> Even lazy I don't think you did bad. You roleblocked Scum after all!
[22:16] <Shadoweh> It was!
[22:17] <@capth> I'm sending Dolls his PM
[22:19] <Shadoweh> Well, roles alone don't get you an MVP
[22:19] <Shadoweh> And actually Schezo's track was the #1
[22:19] <Shadoweh> Okidays
[22:19] <Shadoweh> But yeah, even being lazy you were doing fine
[22:19] <Shadoweh> That's a good sign if you can casually be good
[22:19] <Shadoweh> The main factor behind your lynch was Caladbolg taking forever and leaving town with like 8 hours to lynch someone
[22:19] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[22:19] <@capth> Fair enough.
[22:20] <@capth> Also, I thought Iffrita was town
[22:20] <Shadoweh> So did I until Day 2 started
[22:20] <Shadoweh> Iffrita and Yuan did really well hiding their scumminess
[22:20] <@capth> I can't detect Huh What scum. He suddenly plays super townie #1 when he flips scum
[22:20] <@capth> Yuan wasn't quite as good, being useless day 2
[22:21] <Kitten4u> It was the D1 walls man
[22:21] <Kitten4u> Walling is totally scummy
[22:21] <Shadoweh> I'm not sure if she was really drunk >_>
[22:21] <@capth> She was certainly ignoring basic logic.
[22:21] <Shadoweh> I think it was just an excuse to produce nothing and wait for UK to die again
[22:21] <@capth> "You're lying about the roleblock"
[22:21] <@capth> "BUT THe ROLEBLOCK HAPPENED"
[22:22] <Shadoweh> Amazing logic like 'Your reads are fake because you are scum'
[22:22] <@capth> "Oh"
[22:22] <@capth> "LIAR!"
[22:22] <Shadoweh> Scum have to ignore logic though
[22:22] <Kitten4u> Yeah, you can't fault scum for a bad case
[22:22] <Shadoweh> Because logically they know they are the scum!
[22:24] <Shadoweh> It also means that even when logically, say, Iffrita looks townie..
[22:24] <Shadoweh> They were supporting vigging her
[22:24] <Shadoweh> Because they knew which wagon they would get the cred from
[22:24] <@capth> I don't know
[22:24] <@capth> Would you want your self govenor to be vigged?
[22:24] <@capth> I might have played it out like Xix
[22:25] <Kitten4u> Considering how bad the wagon in Miya was they couldn't support it
[22:25] <Kitten4u> Seriously, the entire case is "Schezo is bad with words"
[22:25] <@capth> I thought Schezo was Xix
[22:25] <Shadoweh> It's a question of risk. Would you want to be caught on a bad wagon against confirmed town, trying to openly save your self-governor?
[22:25] <Shadoweh> No, Xix was PX
[22:25] <@capth> I know.
[22:25] <Shadoweh> Schezo was Miya the tracker. ^_^
[22:25] <@capth> That isn't what I thought
[22:26] <Shadoweh> Incidentally Xix was also bad with words
[22:26] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[22:26] <Kitten4u> Xix just didn't have the advantage of RAEG
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[22:36] <WMShadoweh> Xix didn't have the advantage of a track on scum
[22:36] <WMShadoweh> Since the scum roleblock out prioritized him
[22:36] <Kitten4u> Even if he had I wouldn't have been surprised if he died
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[22:37] <Kitten4u> When he gets in trouble he rolls over
[22:39] <WMShadoweh> It's kind of his thing <.<
[22:39] <WMShadoweh> At least Hourai doesn't vote himself when he does that
[22:40] <@capth> It's kind of a pain, actually.
[22:40] <@capth> I've never seen anyone so happy to lynch himself
[22:41] <WMShadoweh> I know -.-
[22:41] <@capth> The weird part for me is, if he's going to want to die by the end, why does he keep playing?
[22:41] <WMShadoweh> It goes against all logix
[22:42] <@capth> I mean, he knows he will want to die when the pressure piles on.
[22:42] <@capth> Me, I need the pressure to keep me good.
[22:43] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, pressure helps to find the scums beating on you.
[22:43] <WMShadoweh> UK is all sad faised that they don't vote for her anymore
[22:43] <WMShadoweh> We've had long talks about how she needs to change her strategy, I think she did good this game.
[22:44] <WMShadoweh> Normally I'm cool with pressure too cause it just helps me figure out people's motives
[22:44] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[22:44] <WMShadoweh> It's not cool when I'm not the detective ;-;
[22:44] <Kitten4u> Pressure for me just brings out the RAEG, which means stuff dies.
[22:46] <WMShadoweh> If you're scum does it bring out raeg?
[22:47] <Kitten4u> Yes
[22:47] <Kitten4u> See: NotV
[22:48] <@capth> Somewhere around halfway through day 1 i would probably admit to being scum
[22:49] <WMShadoweh> Oh yeah, Kitten4u raeg was scary
[22:49] <WMShadoweh> Hahaha
[22:49] <WMShadoweh> It's fun playing pretend though. Kill all of your friends ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS
[22:49] <@capth> I would probably picture myself as the hero
[22:50] <@capth> All of you are scum and must be eliminated for the greater good.
[22:50] <Kitten4u> I just sleep through the game.
[22:50] <Kitten4u> lurklurklurklurk claim WIN
[22:50] <WMShadoweh> You are capt.h the Scum Logic Puzzle. You finally have the tools to eliminate all the players who act weird.
[22:50] <WMShadoweh> Stab everyone to win!
[22:51] <@capth> I finally get to break LLD for her bad logic
[22:51] <WMShadoweh> When people make stupid arguments and you think they might be town, you don't have to care, you just go okay!
[22:51] <WMShadoweh> And lynch them
[22:51] <Kitten4u> Haha
[22:51] <Kitten4u> Yes, being able to lynch people for being annoying is great
[22:52] <WMShadoweh> Like when Kitten lynched Kips
[22:52] * Kitten4u whistles
[22:52] <WMShadoweh> She knew he was town, she just wanted him to die
[22:53] <Kitten4u> Green scum man
[22:53] <WMShadoweh> Kips was acting scummy to be TOO SCUMMY
[22:53] <WMShadoweh> And so he would get nightkilled
[22:53] <WMShadoweh> Because that was a thing that was going to happen
[22:54] <@capth> Wow.
[22:55] <@capth> They are all liars
[22:55] <@capth> *both
[22:55] <Kitten4u> ?
[22:55] <@capth> update to Diplomacy
[22:56] <Kitten4u> Oh
[22:56] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[22:56] <Kitten4u> Have I mentioned I don't think the north will be an issue? ;P
[22:56] <@capth> Obviously.
[22:57] <WMShadoweh> Teehee. I told you he couldn't do it.
[23:10] <WMShadoweh> See what I mean? It's been one turn and they're already all over the place.
[23:14] <@capth> I see.
[23:18] <@capth> I get it.
[23:18] <@capth> Schezo was planning on taking Georgia all along and me starting a war with Ukraine turn 1.
[23:20] <Kitten4u> I'm pretty sure he's not going to kill me
[23:20] <@capth> Want to see the log files?
[23:20] <@capth> My treat this time.
[23:20] <Kitten4u> Sure
[23:26] <@capth> The relevant parts about blocking you and taking Georgia are near the bottom.



Diplomacy orders with correct spelling
« Sent to: Whimsical Doll.S on: Today at 06:43:15 pm »
Army at Istan moves to Bulgaria

Naval unit as Izmir moves to Aegean Sea

Naval Unit at Ankara moves to Geo

Army at Adana moves to Iran


[14:43] <capth> Hey K4U
[14:44] <Kitten4u> o/
[14:45] <capth> Having a bit of trouble figuring out when Schezo is up to whatever he's up to.
[14:46] <capth> By that I mean, Now, he says he's waiting until he can take Beilorussia back
[14:46] <Kitten4u> Yeah, we agreed that he could have that once I got a bit more land
[14:47] <capth> Interesting. Now he's claiming he'll begin his attack once he takes the region, so heads up.
[14:48] <Kitten4u> k
[14:48] <Kitten4u> I should be fine
[14:48] <capth> k
[14:48] <capth> good luck.
[14:49] <Kitten4u> Thanks
[14:49] <Kitten4u> I've got a trump card if I need it
[14:49] <capth> ?
[14:49] <Kitten4u>
[14:50] <Kitten4u> DW, it's shenanigans. It won't do anything to you
[14:51] <capth> k
[14:52] <capth> Incidentally, I need to ask about Serbia.
[14:52] <Kitten4u> Yeah?
[14:52] <capth> Since without it, I'll need to send all my taks to Italy via convoy
[14:52] <Kitten4u> I won't be able to get to it for a while, so I wouldn't mind if you took it as a temporary measure
[14:52] <capth> K
[14:52] <Kitten4u> Just let me take it back later
[14:53] <capth> k



[20:08] <Shadoweh> I don't think I need to talk strategy with you yet, our moves are still mapped out.
[20:09] <capth> At the moment, I agree.
[20:10] <capth> As an aside (so you aren't taken by surprise), I'm going to continue my push west this turn.
[20:10] <Shadoweh> You mean going towards Italy? >.>
[20:10] <Shadoweh> I would be more surprised if you didn't!
[20:11] <capth> K

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[20:11] <Akiyama_dorMio> what's up
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:00:56] <Conq> Oh hi!
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:01:01] <Conq> I don't believe we've talked to you yet.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:01:04] <capth> Hello.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:02:25] <Conq> So how are things going in the East?
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:03:01] <capth> Well...
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:03:08] <capth> I don't think I'm screwed.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:03:43] <capth> At least, nothing unplanned has happened yet.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:04:07] <Conq> Hmm, I see.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:04:55] <capth> Anyhow, it looks like you have some kind of agreement with England and France if I am not mistaken.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:05:02] <Conq> Well, yes.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:05:28] <capth> I was wondering, then, if we had a common expansionary interest.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:05:37] <Conq> How so?
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:05:41] <Conq> I mean, in what sense?
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:06:24] <capth> Well, considering it looks like you have agreements with your neighbors, then I assume you'll be expanding somewhat far west.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:06:32] <capth> *east
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:07:31] <Conq> Mmm, possibly.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:07:40] <Conq> I'm assuming you're looking to expand to the West then?
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:08:01] <capth> Possibly.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:08:05] <Conq> Also, let's invite Dormio now.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:08:09] <Conq> Since he's here and all.
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:08:12] <Conq> Make a channel?
[20:11] <@Conq> [20:08:21] <capth> Sure.
[20:12] <capth> Right.
[20:13] <Akiyama_dorMio> capth is after italy?
[20:13] <capth> Perhaps.
[20:13] <Akiyama_dorMio> you've got an agreement with egypt worked out?
[20:14] <capth> Perhaps.
[20:14] <@Conq>
[20:14] <@Conq> Hows' the northern situation?
[20:15] <capth> At the moment, it's a fascinating train wreck waiting to happen.
[20:15] <capth> Even I don't know what's going on at Ukraine's northern border
[20:15] <Akiyama_dorMio> Poor Poland.
[20:16] <@Conq> Well, I meant around the Black Sea mostly.
[20:16] <@Conq> Err, I think it's the Black Sea
[20:16] <@Conq> I'm not looking at a map right now
[20:17] <capth> I'm not worried about it.
[20:17] <Akiyama_dorMio> you aren't?
[20:17] <capth> Not at all.
[20:18] <Akiyama_dorMio>
[20:18] <Akiyama_dorMio> I get the feeling that egypt is going to want to run through you though :/
[20:18] <capth> Everyone gets that feeling.
[20:18] <capth> Poland
[20:18] <capth> Italy
[20:18] <capth> I think Egypt brought it up herself
[20:19] <Akiyama_dorMio> rofl
[20:19] <Akiyama_dorMio> WIFOM?
[20:19] <Akiyama_dorMio> too many people saying it
[20:19] <Akiyama_dorMio> it's not going to happen
[20:19] <Akiyama_dorMio> ?
[20:19] <capth> A lot of players seem to think Ukraine and Egypt are allies.
[20:20] <capth> Which means I can't afford to anger either of them, or I have both of them in my backyard.
[20:21] <Akiyama_dorMio> if they really are allied like we suspect they are, they'd likely want you dead :v
[20:21] <capth> Perhaps.
[20:21] <capth> Now let's talk about your situation.
[20:21] <Akiyama_dorMio> I do think that they'll rip into each other though
[20:21] <Akiyama_dorMio> the question is whether it's in mid or late
[20:21] <Akiyama_dorMio> and what about us?
[20:22] <capth> Hah, that's something they said too.
[20:22] <capth> "I really want a wall between us"
[20:22] <Akiyama_dorMio>
[20:22] <capth> Well, I'm wondering about your relationship with Italy and your interests in the west.
[20:23] <capth> I don't think there's much to say aboutGermany at the moment.
[20:23] <Akiyama_dorMio> neither of us can do much about germany
[20:23] <capth> Er, east.
[20:23] <capth> Your East, my west.
[20:25] <capth> Hello?
[20:26] <Akiyama_dorMio> Sorry, I was dreaming about ConqxPesco
[20:26] <Akiyama_dorMio> long story
[20:26] <Akiyama_dorMio> anyway
[20:27] <Akiyama_dorMio> so your plan is to grab italy, right?
[20:27] <capth> Perhaps
[20:29] <capth> I will admit that I have inteterests in the west, and Italy is one of them.
[20:29] <capth> However, I am still in discussions with Italy, at least for the rest of the year.
[20:30] <Akiyama_dorMio> inteterests
[20:31] <capth> *interests
[20:31] <Akiyama_dorMio> well, our relationship with italy is pretty neutral
[20:32] <Akiyama_dorMio> we've barely talked
[20:32] <Akiyama_dorMio> italy isn't an important target for us, we just need to make sure that we can't get hit from the side by them
[20:33] <capth> ?
[20:33] <Akiyama_dorMio> because we want to secure north africa
[20:33] <Akiyama_dorMio> so how about this
[20:33] <Akiyama_dorMio> we'll leave you alone whilst you take over italy
[20:34] <Akiyama_dorMio> in exchange for you leaving us alone while we duke it out with egypt
[20:34] <capth> Well, that's an interesting exchange.
[20:34] <Akiyama_dorMio> isn't it?
[20:35] <Akiyama_dorMio> what say you?
[20:36] <capth> If you want to duke it out with Egypt over Lybia and Tunisia, go right ahead.
[20:36] <capth> I don't have the naval resources to fight over those territories anyway.
[20:36] <Akiyama_dorMio> but can we have your word that you won't intefere?
[20:36] <capth> Sure, why not.
[20:38] <Akiyama_dorMio> Good, good


[12:43] <Lambda> So
[12:43] <Lambda> a few things
[12:43] <Lambda> why didn't you bounce Kitten?
[12:43] <Lambda> and What is your next move conerning your land grab West?
[12:43] <capth> First, I would have to declare war first turn to bounce kitten.
[12:44] <capth> I can't sacrifice my alliances like that.
[12:44] <Lambda> Okay, fair enough.
[12:45] <Lambda> The Second?
[12:45] <capth> Agressive in appearance.
[12:46] <capth> I'll probably leave myself a little open in the back if all my moves work out.
[12:46] <Lambda> Specifically, what are you doing with A Bulgaria
[12:47] <capth> It's moving to Serbia
[12:47] <Lambda> I'd like to see it move North, and not any further towards myself >.>
[12:47] <Lambda> Yeah, if you do that I'm going to bounce it
[12:47] <capth> Go ahead.
[12:47] <Lambda> I can't afford...
[12:48] <Lambda> having you move WEST again
[12:48] <capth> k
[12:48] <capth> I understand completely if you bounce it
[12:48] <Lambda> You're playing into their hand
[12:48] <Lambda> Shadoweh is using you as a wall
[12:48] <Lambda> so people have to deal with you
[12:48] <Lambda> before her
[12:49] <capth> I'm aware of that.
[12:49] <Lambda> and further
[12:49] <Lambda> once she's done using y
[12:49] <capth> I've taken care of Shadoweh.
[12:49] <Lambda> and she's strong enough to fight her own battle
[12:49] <Lambda> she'll take you out.
[12:49] <capth> Probably.
[12:49] <Lambda> So why aren't... /sigh
[12:49] <capth> I've taken care of Shadoweh.
[12:49] <Lambda> How so
[12:50] <Lambda> remembering you have Kitten to the north too
[12:50] <capth> LLD, something you have to remember about my neighbors.
[12:50] <capth> Is that everyone in the world wants to kill them.
[12:50] <capth> They can't afford any more enemies
[12:51] <Lambda> Yeah
[12:51] <Lambda> the problem is
[12:51] <Lambda> that they want to kill me
[12:51] <Lambda> so I really don't have a choice in the matter
[12:51] <Lambda> if I were Britain, I would still push this
[12:51] <Lambda> but it wouldn;t be as urgent
[12:51] <Lambda> those other nations can sit back and watch
[12:51] <Lambda> maybe make some plans and pray
[12:51] <Lambda> but right now
[12:52] <Lambda> there's a lot targetting me too
[12:52] <Lambda> I would wonder if you would consider moving north to Rumania and bouncing Kitten there
[12:52] <Lambda> I'm almost certain she's moving there with her Black Sea fleet yes?
[12:53] <Lambda> if I have Serbia, I can help you in that area
[12:53] <capth> Not really.
[12:53] <capth> You would have a ship in Serbia
[12:53] <Lambda> and obviously, I can't attack YOU
[12:53] <Lambda> because that's suicidal
[12:54] <capth_> Disconnected
[12:55] <Lambda> it's fine
[13:01] <capth_> Anyway, I'll be seeing you!
[13:01] <Lambda> ok


[17:59] <capth> Hello Dorian! I was wondering about the nature of your communications with Schezo.
[18:00] <Dorian> Well i had not much communications with Schezo, what makes you wonder?
[18:01] <capth> You brought him up in your last PM to me.
[18:04] <capth> Anyway, I'm having a little bit of trouble figuring out where the guy stands, so I was wondering if you knew something I didn't.
[18:04] <Dorian> Russia: A mos Supports A kie -> bie <That was the indicator for my assumption.
[18:05] <capth> That's it?
[18:06] <Dorian> Schezos support order that helps kittens troops into Byelorussia.
[18:07] <capth> Right. I know what he did.
[18:09] <capth> Anyway, have fun!
[18:09] <Dorian> He moves all his forces west to Scandinavia without care about his south or eastern border.
[18:11] <Dorian> Do you really want to tell me that you don't see a Russian Ukrainian cooperation?
[18:11] <capth> I didn't say that.
[18:11] <capth> I just wanted to know if you talked to the guy yet.
[18:12] <Dorian> No i haven't since before spring.
[18:12] <capth> k
[18:14] <Dorian> And you really want to take Serbia?
[18:15] <capth> You've been talking to LLD I see.
[18:15] <Dorian> Indeed
[18:16] <capth> I want to move towards Serbia. Taking it is a different matter
[18:16] <Dorian> The "A Bul ->Ist and F Ank ->Ist" was my idea by the way.
[18:17] <capth> Not sure why you did that.
[18:17] <Dorian> Wall as long as you say it, is move = take.
[18:17] <capth> There's a difference
[18:18] <capth> Not in the command, but in the intention.
[18:18] <Dorian> That is?
[18:19] <capth> I said I wanted to move towards Serbia. I don't really care if they get bounced back
[18:20] <Dorian> They wouldn't bounced back, cause her fleet moves to Croatia.
[18:21] <capth> That would make her a liar to one of us
[18:22] <Dorian> Then what did she told you?
[18:22] <capth> She told me that she would bounce me back, of course.
[18:26] <Dorian> She didn't lie, we changed the plan after her meeting with you.
[18:27] <capth> k
[18:28] <capth> Is there anything you're interested in talking about?
[18:30] <Dorian> I just wonder, cause your trust in Kitten looks quite naïve to me.
[18:30] <capth> Trust?
[18:31] <capth> I start a war with Kitten, and I fight both my northern and southern borders.
[18:31] <capth> I have to trust her, or I lose anyway.
[18:36] <Dorian> I see, well then I can only wish you good luck.
[18:36] <Dorian> you will need it.
[18:36] <capth> Thanks! You too!
[18:37] <Dorian> But the Serbia move is still bad.
[18:37] <capth> ?
[18:38] <Dorian> You need to hold your forces together.
[18:38] <capth> Maybe I wasn't clear.
[18:39] <capth> I have to trust Kitten, or I lose anyway.
[18:40] <capth> And I don't care if I get bounced back.
[18:43] <Dorian> If it wasn't already clear, now it is, and there is nothing i can do about it.
[18:43] <capth> Acutally, you can redact orders and replace them with new ones.
[18:44] <capth> Unless I'm missing something, I get bounced back to Bulgaria.
[18:44] <capth> It's still my profit.
[18:44] <capth> And you said yourself that I shouldn't spread myself out.
[18:46] <Dorian> The point is Lucy need some more troops, cause i have to send troops into the east that were supposted to move to France.
[18:51] <Dorian> As I said there is noting I could do.
[18:51] <capth> Are you allies with Dan?
[18:52] <Dorian> Yes, why?
[18:53] <capth> I'm surprised your friends with all of your neighbors. It takes a lot more effort to get around them, and I think it would stunt your growth a bit.
[18:54] <capth> Plus, the really interesting conversations are two countries away.
[18:56] <capth> Anyway, if K4U does betray me, feel free to give me another call.
[18:56] <Dorian> I'm not friends with all, France is currendly enough for me to deal with.
[18:57] <capth> Trouble with France?
[18:59] <Dorian> Just busy not troubled, well I will come back on your offer, most likely sooner then we both like.
[18:59] <capth> k
[19:01] <Dorian> Again good luck to you, that's all i can do.
[19:02] <capth> you too!



[22:27] <WMShadoweh> Are you heading for Serbia this turn?
[22:27] <capth> Yes.
[22:27] <capth> Why?
[22:27] <WMShadoweh> Excellent.
[22:27] <WMShadoweh> Just making sure, since worst case it blocks Italy's move if she goes for it
[22:28] <capth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc
[22:28] <capth> Anyhow, I considered that a best case scenario.
[22:28] <capth> I can only get 8 resources this turn, and blocking me stalls her from a 7th
[22:29] <WMShadoweh> Even if she blocks you, you get Bulgaria
[22:29] <capth> Right.
[22:29] <capth> So I told her, and she's going to block me.
[22:30] <capth> She gets 6, I get 8
[22:30] <capth> Probably would have been better for her to go to Croatia (and worse for me)
[22:32] <WMShadoweh> *snicker* You told her?
[22:32] <capth> Yep!
[22:32] <WMShadoweh> And she's okay with this?
[22:32] <WMShadoweh> How silly
[22:32] <capth> I didn't say that. It was her idea to block me.
[22:33] <WMShadoweh> That's even sillier
[22:34] <capth> She says she can't lose Serbia for some reason.
[22:34] <WMShadoweh> Oh well, her loss and our gain!
[22:34] <capth> Right!
[22:38] <capth> Incidentally, I've talked to everyone but France and England. Anyone you want to know about?
[22:40] <WMShadoweh> What the hell is up with Spain?
[22:40] <capth> Well, Spain has made peace with France and England.
[22:41] <capth> So Spain will be looking for North African assets to compensate.
[22:42] <capth> Italy's placing itself right in the middle of you and Spain, which is pretty lucky, and Spain hasn't had much communication with Italy.
[22:43] <capth> You should be fine as long as you prepare for costal warfare this winter.
[22:49] <WMShadoweh> Yeah. That's been what I've been expecting all along
[22:50] <WMShadoweh> I'm not too worried about it.
[22:52] <capth> k
[22:53] <capth> Know anything I might be interested in?
[22:54] <WMShadoweh> Spain asked me if I was going to kill you
[22:54] <WMShadoweh> I think that makes everyone
[22:55] <capth> I'm not sure I haven't asked France and England yet.
[22:55] <WMShadoweh> Oh right. I haven't talked enough to France for him to ask
[22:57] <WMShadoweh> Other then that the only real new conversation I've had involved a back and forth with England about Tunis
[22:57] <capth> pfft
[22:57] <capth> What about Tunis?
[22:59] <WMShadoweh> I can't tell if he's keeping his fleet down there or not
[22:59] <capth> You know, I can't either.
[22:59] <WMShadoweh> Seriously it was a page of wifom about it -.-
[22:59] <capth> I would be amazed though.
[23:00] <capth> I'd bet on Tunis changing hands like 3 times in the next 3 years.
[23:01] <WMShadoweh> As long as it stays in mine by the end. >
[23:01] <capth> Go for it!


[20:27] <capth_> Hey, K4U, Why did you move from Kha to Don?
[20:27] <Kitten4u> So I could defend in case you tried to attack me
[20:27] <Kitten4u> Kha wasn't going to do anything interesting anyway
[20:28] <capth_> I should rephrase.
[20:28] <capth_> Why did you move to Kha instead of Kiev
[20:28] <Kitten4u> In case the move failed
[20:29] <Kitten4u> I couldn't afford to leave my backside open like that, so I picked the spot that had no chance of failing
[20:29] <capth_> k


[18:57] <Kitten4u> o/
[18:57] <capth> Hi
[18:57] <Kitten4u> I have a request
[18:57] <capth> k
[18:58] <Kitten4u> If you need fleets can you not build them in Instan and Ankara?
[18:58] <Kitten4u> Reasons why should be obvious
[18:58] <capth> Hold on a second, let me check where that is
[18:58] <Kitten4u> The two northern providences
[18:58] <capth> Don't worry. Having fleets there doesn't help me
[18:59] <capth> If anything, it just causes bottlenecks in Istan
[18:59] <Kitten4u> Yeah. Just thought I'd explicitely state it
[18:59] <capth> Incidentally, I need one of us to take Hungary if I'm going to invade Italy.
[18:59] <Kitten4u> Well, you would be able to get out of the Black Sea with them and head towards Italy, it would just make me nervous to see them there.
[19:00] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I was going to ask you about that too
[19:00] <capth> Nah. But I do have a wing being built there
[19:00] <Kitten4u> Support my move there?
[19:00] <Kitten4u> I don't thnk I can move to Slo this spring, but I might be able to move there in the fall if I control Hungary
[19:00] <capth> Either or, but I'll need your support into Croatia if you're the one who takes it
[19:00] <Kitten4u> Yeah, that's fine
[19:01] <Kitten4u> I can worry about Poland next year
[19:01] <capth> Not into, I mean in.
[19:01] <capth> wait, no, getting mixed up. Yes I mean into.
[19:01] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I'd support you into Croatia
[19:01] <capth> k. Thanks. That's the only reason I needed it
[19:02] <Kitten4u> Germany might interfere though, so you'll probably want to get your fleets and stuff ready too
[19:02] <capth> Heh.
[19:02] <capth> I've begun working on France
[19:02] <Kitten4u> Is he still being paranoid about England?
[19:02] <capth> He probably should be
[19:02] <capth> It looks like he's getting triple teamed
[19:03] <Kitten4u> England is like the only person that ISN'T trying to kill him.
[19:03] <capth> No, that's Spain, acording to him
[19:03] <Kitten4u> Which is irritating, because German murder would be so much more preferable to him
[19:03] <Kitten4u> He is quite wron!
[19:03] <Kitten4u> g
[19:03] <Kitten4u> Italy is their primary target, but they have no intention of working with France for the long term
[19:03] <capth> Their?
[19:04] <Kitten4u> Spain
[19:04] <Kitten4u> They aqre two people.
[19:04] <capth> oh.
[19:04] <capth> Actually, Italy isn't their prime target.
[19:04] <Kitten4u> ?
[19:04] <capth> I thought Shadoweh mentioned it - they want North Africa
[19:04] <Kitten4u> North Africa is not a country.
[19:05] <capth> True, but that's the goal
[19:08] <Kitten4u> Anyway, if we could get France working with England against Germany that would be great
[19:08] <Kitten4u> I think you and Shadoweh can handle Italy pretty easily
[19:08] <capth> Shadoweh has to deal with Egypt
[19:08] <Kitten4u> Shadoweh is Egypt
[19:08] <capth> Sorry, Spain.
[19:08] <capth> Shadoweh has to deal with Spain.
[19:10] <Kitten4u> They're pretty far away, so I think she'd be able to help
[19:10] <Kitten4u> But these are things for you two to talk about
[19:10] <capth> k. Going to dinner. See you in a bit!
[19:10] <Kitten4u> Support my move into Hungary, I'll support yours into Croatia
[19:10] <Kitten4u> Bye bye
[19:10] <capth> deal


[19:06] <capth> Hey Shadoweh, I'm planning on building a unit in Adana
[19:06] <capth> The fastest way to the front is the Eastern Mediterranian
[19:06] <WMShadoweh> You're building units everywhere!
[19:06] <capth> Right, anyway.
[19:07] <capth> I wanted to ask your permission to use the Eastern Mediterranian this Spring
[19:07] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, that's fine. I can move along the coast
[19:07] <capth> K. Thanks!
[19:07] <WMShadoweh> >.>b
[19:07] <capth> ?
[19:07] <WMShadoweh> It means thumbs up
[19:08] <capth> oh. Cool!
[19:08] <WMShadoweh> Oh, and Kitten wants to know if you'll support a move into Hungary
[19:08] <capth> Yes
[19:09] <WMShadoweh> Excellent. She's here so I'll get her to talk about it, I'm pretty sure it's from Podolia or something
[19:09] <capth> We've already agreed.
[19:09] <capth> I need a unit in Hungary for my invasion
[19:09] <capth> It's too difficult to get into Italy without it
[19:10] <capth> Going to dinner. See you soon!
[19:10] <WMShadoweh> Laters!


[14:41] <capth> Hi PX!
[14:41] <PX> TURKEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[14:41] <PX> o/
[14:41] <capth> I'm calling to ask about your position on France.
[14:43] <capth> So... where do you and France stand concerning eachother?
[14:46] <capth> ...PX?
[14:47] <PX> oh
[14:47] <PX> uhhh
[14:47] <PX> What about France?
[14:47] <capth> Are you trying to kill him?
[14:47] <PX> Hmmm
[14:48] <PX> Well, that's tricky for me to kill France
[14:48] <capth> Would you be open to a cease fire with France?
[14:48] <PX> For what gain?
[14:49] <capth> 1. You said yourself you'd have trouble killing him
[14:49] <capth> 2. You wouldn't have to fight a war with France.
[14:49] <PX> What would YOU gain?
[14:49] <capth> France and I currently have a common interest in Italy
[14:50] <PX> Right, because everyone south hates Italy
[14:50] <PX> and I mean everyone
[14:50] <capth> k
[14:50] <PX> So, what am I to do if I cease fire with France?
[14:51] <PX> Not to mention I never did attack him :\
[14:52] <capth> I haven't really though about what you would do if you declared a cease fire.
[14:52] <capth> I guess whatever you wanted
[14:52] <PX> ...
[14:52] <capth> war with Russia or Germany for the north
[14:52] <capth> war with Spain for the East.
[14:52] <capth> *west
[14:52] <capth> Whatever you wanted.
[14:53] <capth> Germany has a lot more costal land than France, which would make it easier for you to attack.
[14:54] <capth> *coastal
[14:54] <capth> Also, France is at war with Germany, so there's that.
[14:54] <capth> Anyway, that's what I would do if I had peace with France.
[14:57] <capth> Anyway, are you fighting France right now, or not?
[15:00] <capth> PX?
[15:04] <capth> mfff.



[21:44] <capth> Hi K4U!
[21:44] <Kitten4u> o/
[21:44] <capth> I talked to PX about France today. I can see why France doesn't trust England.
[21:44] <Kitten4u> I can't.
[21:44] <Kitten4u> Seriously, England is the only person that DOESN'T want him dead. >__>
[21:45] <capth> I couldn't get a straight answer out of him about whether or not he was at war with France
[21:45] <Kitten4u>
[21:45] <capth> It's hard to communicate with England, and he doesn't easily share his intentions.
[21:46] <capth> That's probably why France isn't in an alliance with PX right now.
[21:46] <Kitten4u> France working with Germany is the best thing that can happen to us in the west right now
[21:46] <Kitten4u> ER
[21:46] <Kitten4u> England
[21:46] <Kitten4u> To kill Germany.
[21:46] <Kitten4u> Derp
[21:47] <Kitten4u> My brain is doing that thing where it stop working. Don't mind me
[21:47] <capth> Strategically (and I've mentioned this to France), it's probably in his best interest to focus on Italy where he can be supported and Germany won't be able to attack without entering Italian territory.
[21:47] <capth> Right now, he's going to be double teamed, at least.
[21:48] <Kitten4u> But we don't care about what's best for France
[21:48] <capth> Good point.
[21:48] <Kitten4u> We want you and Shadoweh to get as much as the Italian land as possible
[21:48] <Kitten4u> Ergo, I want him to murder Germany
[21:48] <Kitten4u> And England is willing to help him do that
[21:48] <capth> hmmm...
[21:48] <Kitten4u> So I want my FrancexEngland OTP dammit. ;_;
[21:49] <capth> I don't see it happening.
[21:49] <capth> In my last communication with England.
[21:49] <capth> I suggested a cease fire, and he asked me to point out exactly how that would benefit me.
[21:49] <capth> Then he asked me what he should do, and how it would benefit him.
[21:50] <capth> He'll be a hard partner for Kasu to work with.
[21:50] <Kitten4u> PX and I have had a couple lengthy discussions on how to make it so France doesn't die
[21:50] <Kitten4u> Currently, if Kasu does not work with PX he will die
[21:50] <Kitten4u> That's all there is to it
[21:50] <capth> Ah, then you're ahead of me in your communications.
[21:50] <Kitten4u> England is the ONLY one that doesn't want to kill France
[21:52] <Kitten4u> In other words, it's likely that Spain plans to backstab him the second Italy won't get most of the land
[21:52] <Kitten4u> So yeah. If France doesn't work with England he dies
[21:52] <capth> Any luck convincing him of that?
[21:53] <Kitten4u> Dunno. I've been having to talk through Shadoweh
[21:53] <Kitten4u> Kasu's still kind of miffed about last game.
[21:55] <capth> Working on Kasu right now.
[21:55] <Kitten4u> I suppose I should mention
[21:55] <Kitten4u> I haven't actually tried to talk to Kasu myself
[21:55] <Kitten4u> I just heard Shadoweh mention he was mad at me
[21:56] <Kitten4u> So I have decided to never talk to him because I think me saying stuff will make him less likely to go along with it
[21:56] <Kitten4u> So I think it would be best if my name was never brought up
[21:56] <capth> It isn't.
[21:57] <capth> I usually only talk about things that pertain to my relationship with the countries I talk to.
[21:58] <capth> Ukraine does not pertain to the benefit I gain from diplomatic relations with France. The discussions mostly focus on Italy and Germany.
[21:59] <Kitten4u> This was more of a just saying thing
[21:59] <capth> k
[21:59] <Kitten4u> Because I figured the chance of "who told you Spain wanted to kill me?" coming up was there
[21:59] <Kitten4u> Say it was Shadoweh instead of me.
[21:59] <capth> Actually, Spain hadn't come up either. Nor has Shadoweh.
[22:00] <capth> Neither country pertains to the benefits I would gain from our relationship.
[22:00] <capth> (our meaning France and Turkey)
[22:00] <Kitten4u> But in order to convince him to work with England you will probably have to break up the SpainxFrance OTP
[22:02] <capth> K4U, be honest.
[22:03] <capth> Who would you trust more in this situation:
[22:03] <capth> England, or Spain?
[22:03] <Kitten4u> England easily. He can't attack me
[22:03] <Kitten4u> I'm assuming you mean if I were France
[22:03] <capth> Right.
[22:03] <Kitten4u> Spain can attack me easily and therefore has reason to lie
[22:04] <Kitten4u> England is out of the way and therefore has less reason to
[22:04] <Kitten4u> It's like asking me if I would trust Spain or Russia more.
[22:05] <capth> Nevermind, I think Kasu can work with England.
[22:05] <capth> "Actually, we seem to have some sort of alliance right now, so this isn't out of the question."
[22:05] <Kitten4u> *_*
[22:05] <capth> ?
[22:06] <Kitten4u> Kitten4u is pleased
[22:06] <capth> k
[00:49] <Kitten4u> I may have to change plans a bit
[00:49] <capth> ?
[00:49] <Kitten4u> The wing unit Dan built is annoying
[00:49] <Kitten4u> I'm not sure if me moving into Hungary is the best anymore
[00:49] <Kitten4u> And I'm not sure if I can support your move into it
[00:50] <Kitten4u> I'm WIFOMing with myself at the moment. I can't give you a definite answer on any of htat yet
[00:51] <capth> If you're not doing anything with your Rumanian ship, you can definitely support me into Hungary.
[00:51] <Kitten4u> Uh, I can't use that to support you into Hungary
[00:51] <Kitten4u> In order to support it has to be a providence that I could move to
[00:52] <Kitten4u> Rumania can't move to Hungary
[00:52] <capth> oh
[00:52] <capth> I thought it was just adjacency :p
[00:52] <Kitten4u> Nope
[00:53] <Kitten4u> My current thoughts are like this
[00:53] <Kitten4u> That wing is definitely for kicking Schezo out of the Baltic
[00:53] <capth> Why the heck is France ignoring the full scale war I'm about to declare to beat up poor little France?
[00:54] <Kitten4u> Therefore, either one of his providences will lack support OR he will not move into Slo
[00:54] <capth> *I mean,why is Italy doing that?
[00:54] <Kitten4u> France is a pretty easy target.
[00:55] <capth> Right, but I can pretty much waltz into Nap
[00:55] <Kitten4u> So I'm WIFOMing it up
[00:55] <Kitten4u> Do I move into Slo? Do I attack Kra? Do I attack Lit? @_@
[00:55] <Kitten4u> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
[00:55] <Kitten4u> Well, he has the fleet in Rome to defend Nap
[00:56] <capth> Right, but I was assuming she wouldn't let me get to her doorstep this easily
[00:56] <Kitten4u> Not sure what's up with the build in Mil though
[00:56] <capth> I was expecting a fight for the Ionian sea
[00:56] <capth> This makes things far, far easier than I had planned
[00:57] <Kitten4u> Yeah I dunno
[00:57] <capth> Well, let's stick to one "far" for now.
[00:57] <capth> Still have to get onto the mainland
[00:57] <Kitten4u> Admittedly, what you do with Italy is pretty low on my concernts right now because I never had any doubt you two would be fine there.
[00:58] <Kitten4u> Tunis is already lost, I suspect more will go down soon
[00:58] <capth> Admittedly, I had the same feelings about you, Schezo, and Poland.
[00:58] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[00:58] <Kitten4u> If I had guessed right we'd be golden, but it's going to be a lot harder to move now. :/
[00:59] <capth> I really wasn't expcting the build. I'll definitley advise France go north now, since south doesn't look like even a plausible option for him.
[01:00] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[01:00] <Kitten4u> Doesn't matter what's good for him. We want Germany dead.
[01:01] <capth> k
[01:10] <capth> K4U, if you aren't moving into Hungary, then I'm going to move my tank there next turn.
[01:10] <Kitten4u> That's fine
[01:10] <Kitten4u> I'll let you know what I'm doing
[01:11] <Kitten4u> My current thoughts are currently like so:
[01:11] <capth> k. Thanks!
[01:11] <Kitten4u> WIFOM WIFOM DERP DERP
[01:11] <capth> I just don't want Germany taking it.
[01:11] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[01:11] <Kitten4u> I just have no idea how to go about attacking Dan
[01:12] <capth> hm
[01:12] <Kitten4u> And I don't have any way to manipulate him
[01:12] <Kitten4u> There's no way he'd trust you or Shadoweh. I don't think he'd trust England or Spain
[01:12] <Kitten4u> France won't talk to me
[01:13] <capth> I would be surprised if France knew Dan's plans.
[01:13] <Kitten4u> Same
[01:16] <capth> I think if I were you, I would start from the top with Russian support, and work my way down
[01:17] <capth> While filling in the country you move out of with support from your new tanks
[01:17] <capth> Assuming the wing doesn't help defend, you should get Dan's northernmost providence this Spring at least.
[01:17] <Kitten4u> Here's the thing
[01:18] <Kitten4u> I suspect Dan will use his wing to bounce Schezo out of the Baltic
[01:18] <Kitten4u> This means one of three things will happen:
[01:19] <capth> @ping
[01:19] <Kitten4u> 1.) He uses War to defend Lit and moves into Slo leaving Kra undefended
[01:19] <Kitten4u> 2.) He uses War to defend Kra and moves into Slo leaving Lit undefended
[01:19] <Kitten4u> 3.) He does not move into Slo and uses War to defend Lit and Cze to defend Kra
[01:20] <Kitten4u> I have no way of knowing which of these things he will do
[01:20] <capth> Weird.
[01:20] <Kitten4u> How's it weird?
[01:20] <Kitten4u> It's pure WIFOM
[01:20] <capth> I would have assumed 4)
[01:20] <capth> He attaks BelioRussia
[01:20] <capth> Don't know with what yet though.
[01:20] <Kitten4u> Attacking Bielorussia does nothing though.
[01:21] <capth> He has support from 3 sides, and BelioRussia is a supply center.
[01:21] <capth> He can take it this Spring, and he may try to.
[01:21] <Kitten4u> No, he only has support from 2 side
[01:21] <Kitten4u> s
[01:21] <Kitten4u> War and Kra
[01:21] <Kitten4u> The unit in Lit is a fleet
[01:21] <capth> Oh. Derp.
[01:22] <Kitten4u> And even if he did, I'd have Bielorussia + Kiev + Moscow defending it
[01:23] <capth> Not if you're invading one of his other providences from BelioRussia
[01:23] <capth> Still, the good news is that he's on the defensive, no matter how you look at it.
[01:23] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[01:23] <Kitten4u> But the bad news is that he can hold just fine and WIFOM @_@
[01:23] <Kitten4u> Damn WIFOM
[01:25] <capth> hm
[01:25] <Kitten4u> If I could get into Slo I would be better off, but argh
[01:26] <Kitten4u> I have no idea if he's going to try to take Slo. :/
[01:26] <capth> If he has any intention of increasing the size of his army, he must take Slov.
[01:26] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[01:27] <Kitten4u> Which means one of Lit and Kra will be undefended
[01:27] <capth> Probably using Cze to do it
[01:27] <Kitten4u> Definitely
[01:28] <capth> Then Kra seems, to me, the most likely vulnerability in his line.
[01:28] <capth> However, do whatever you think is best.
[01:29] <capth> Course, now I got the Wifom too
[01:29] <Kitten4u> Yes, that's exactly why this is so hard. @_@
[01:29] <capth> Even if Dan doesn't want Hungary
[01:29] <Kitten4u> Because if I guess wrong I'll be annoyed
[01:29] <capth> He'll probably move south to support Germany
[01:29] <Kitten4u> I don't think Germany is on his mind right now
[01:30] <capth> I think he will try to move as many units as he can to the front line
[01:30] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[01:30] <capth> A move to Kra seems like it will be necessary for him.
[01:30] <capth> That is what I think.
[01:31] <capth> Er, Slo
[01:31] <capth> A move to Slo seems necessary for him
[01:32] <Kitten4u> Depending on what happens I may ask you to support a move to Slo after you move into Hungary
[01:32] <capth> If I actually get into Hungary.
[01:32] <capth> It's not like Germany wouldn't want it too.
[01:32] <capth> My move is, if nothing else, to stop Germany from entering the country.
[01:33] <Kitten4u> I'm secretly hoping that Germany supports Dan's move into Slo.
[01:34] <capth> You know, we could have one of us leak false orders to one of Poland's allies to help.
[01:34] <Kitten4u> I don't even know who Poland's allies are
[01:34] <capth> Germany and Italy.
[01:34] <Kitten4u> I assume Germany is, but he won't talk to me
[01:35] <capth> They're a trio, I believe
[01:36] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I don't know how I'd go about doing that though
[01:39] <capth> Hmmm...
[01:41] <Kitten4u> According to Spain, Italy doesn't trust them. I think the stuff between Germany and England is going down soon, France is France, they defintely won't trust you or Shadoweh
[01:41] <Kitten4u> So orz
[01:41] <capth> France isn't on bad terms with me.
[01:41] <Kitten4u> But he's on bad terms with Germany.
[01:41] <Kitten4u> And Italy
[01:41] <capth> I wonder if Italy still trusts me though.
[01:42] <Kitten4u> Well, PX is going to try to do some spying, so I'll see what that turns up
[01:42] <capth> I'm serious about Italy.
[01:42] <Kitten4u>
[01:43] <capth> I'm not good at lying. And I don't mind telling my enemies a bit too much of the truth. If you told me what your orders were, and didn't tell me whether you planned to switch them or not...
[01:43] <capth> I could feed them to Italy
[01:43] <Kitten4u> I don't know what I'm going to be doing yet though. ;_;
[01:44] <capth> k.
[01:44] <capth> I don't think I could maintain a lie for more than 36 hours anyway.
[01:45] <capth> Well, it's late on my end. I'll have more thoughts in the morning.
[01:45] <Kitten4u> k


[13:49] <Kitten4u> Oh yeah
[13:49] <Kitten4u> I think I found the answer to my WIFOM
[13:49] <capth> k
[13:49] <Kitten4u> But I created new WIFOM instead.
[13:49] <capth> ?
[13:50] <Kitten4u> It depends if Germany is willing to actively support Dan
[13:50] <capth> Yes.
[13:50] <capth> Tes he is.
[13:50] <capth> *yes he is.
[13:50] <Kitten4u> If he isn't I suspect he will use Kra to support his move into Slo leaving War weak
[13:51] <Kitten4u> But if he is then Germany may be willing to support that move
[13:51] <capth> Germany can only do that at the expense of Hungary.
[13:51] <Kitten4u> Yep
[13:52] <Kitten4u> Hence WIFOM
[13:52] <capth> Truth is though, if I get a successful move into Hungary, I'll be completely vulnerable in Serbia
[13:53] <capth> I'll have to move back out of it to protect my southern assets.
[13:53] <Kitten4u> I think moving your wing to Bulgaria will stop that issue
[13:53] <capth> Right, but then I can't have my wing in Greece where it can do more good
[13:53] <Kitten4u> I don't think it does more good there
[13:54] <Kitten4u> Use the fleet in Izmir instead
[13:54] <Kitten4u> They both get to the Ionian Sea at the same speed
[13:54] <capth> mfff.
[13:54] <capth> I can't take Bulgaria with a wing unit.
[13:55] <Kitten4u> No, but you can kick people out of Serbia with it
[13:55] <capth> k
[13:56] <Kitten4u> Having a unit that can actually take Italy's southern providences would be more threatening/useful I think
[13:56] <capth> I do have that.
[13:56] <Kitten4u> Yeah. Having two would let you have Adr AND the Ionian Sea
[13:57] <Kitten4u> Also, I'm messing with Germany right now, so if he says anything about me being scum again it probbly has to do with that.
[13:57] <capth> I can't say my communications with Germany are ideal.
[13:58] <Kitten4u> No, that's fine
[13:58] <Kitten4u> I just don't want him making you think I'm going to attack you again. >__>
[13:58] <Kitten4u> Or that I'm not working in our side's best interest
[13:58] <Kitten4u> I think the line in question that he would use is this one:
[13:58] <Kitten4u> [11:47] <~Kitten4u> Is it really so hard to believe I want you to get strong so I don't curbstomp you like last time? :<
[13:58] <Kitten4u> [11:47] <~Kitten4u> I'd be boring if the battle was too easy
[13:58] <capth> I'm actually not to worried about that
[13:59] <Kitten4u> I'm pretty sure he doesn't buy any of my BS, but it's certainly fun!
[13:59] <capth> I have a deal with Germany to immediately reverse my troop direction if you actually did betray me, which keeps us on somewhat neutral terms/ terms of mutual respect.
[14:00] <capth> So I could probably get a little out of him, but not much since we're technically enemies.
[14:00] <capth> (me and Germany)
[14:01] <Kitten4u> Don't worry about it
[14:01] <capth> I'm not.
[14:01] <Kitten4u> I'm just friends with Dorian out of the game, and he said he was lonely today
[14:01] <Kitten4u> So I figured I'd bring out the trash talking and silliness.
[14:02] <capth> k
[14:13] <Kitten4u> Anyway, I wish I could help you out down there, but I need to beak up this stalemate unfortunately. :/
[14:16] <Kitten4u> So if you ever have more thoughts there I'd like to hear them. I think I've already said most of what I think is best for you
[14:16] <Kitten4u> Fleets in Adr and the Ioninan Sea will be dangerous
[14:21] <capth> To get fleets in Adr, I was going to move a wing into Alb for support reasons
[14:21] <capth> Which is why I wanted the wing in Greece this year
[14:21] <Kitten4u> Ah
[14:22] <capth> But I think it won't matter, as long as I foce Italy to choose between Adr or Serbia
[14:22] <capth> *force
[14:22] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[14:22] <capth> She can't haveher cake and eat it too


[19:52] <capth> Hey K4U.
[19:52] <Kitten4u> o/
[19:53] <capth> I need to confirm you don't want me to support you into Hungary
[19:53] <Kitten4u> As it stands this is extremely likely
[19:53] <Kitten4u> So assume you do not have to support me until I say otherwise
[19:54] <capth> Alright. I'll be sending in my orders soon.
[19:54] <Kitten4u> I still need to talk to Schezo, so I can't be 100% sure right now
[19:54] <Kitten4u> I'm 90% sure I will not be moving into Hungary though
[19:54] <capth> If I'm not blocked, then I may have an itty-bit of trouble keeping that area secure.
[19:54] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[19:55] <capth> At the current time however, I will let you know that I consider a tank in Bulgaria at the end of the year slightly more important than control of Serbia
[19:55] <capth> At least that way, I won't lose units.
[19:55] <Kitten4u> Yeah, that's fine
[19:55] <Kitten4u> Also, Shadoweh is talking to Dan
[19:55] <capth> Incidentally, a status update of Schezo:
[19:56] <Kitten4u> It's a rather silly effort, but we're trying to get him to attack Germany, or if htat fails, me
[19:56] <Kitten4u> Because I win if he attacks out
[19:56] <capth> Schezo currently considers defeating Dan his top prioroty at this time.
[19:56] <capth> Oddly, he is not considering an aliance with Dan.
[19:56] <Kitten4u> So don't be surprised if he says we want to kill you and tries to ally with you. It's one thing we plan on saying to him.
[19:56] <capth> Dan?
[19:56] <capth> Or Schezo?
[19:56] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[19:57] <Kitten4u> Dan
[19:57] <capth> I won't be.
[19:57] <Kitten4u> We're trying to get him to kill Germany or me
[19:57] <Kitten4u> Because if he attacks anything I win
[19:57] <capth> I would be more surprised if he didn't say you were out to get me and ask for an aliance
[19:57] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[19:57] <Kitten4u> I just figured I should give you a heads up on that
[19:58] <capth> I think you're too late for that
[19:58] <Kitten4u> I do not want paranoia in my alliance.
[19:58] <Kitten4u> Ahahaha
[19:59] <Kitten4u> Let me look at the map again
[19:59] <Kitten4u> I'm pretty sure that "attacking me" won't change any of your moves because you can't afford to look aggressive
[19:59] <capth> K4U, if you and Shadoweh gang up on me, there is no amount of support that would let me survive.
[20:00] <Kitten4u> Exactly
[20:00] <Kitten4u> That's why I don't think you'd actually go through with it
[20:00] <capth> Right.
[20:00] <Kitten4u> But getting Dan to ATTACK rather than DEFEND is beneficial
[20:00] <Kitten4u> So I need to figure out if I'm against the idea of you pretending to work with him
[20:00] <capth> ?
[20:01] <capth> I'll pretend to work with anyone.
[20:01] <capth> I have no reason to get on the bad side of another player unnecessaily.
[20:01] <Kitten4u> I think he is more willing to attack out if he has an ally, but I'm sure if he would do what I want him to do...
[20:02] <Kitten4u> This is what I'm thinking about
[20:02] <Kitten4u> And if you've already refused then I'm not sure if he'd be willing to trust you.
[20:03] <capth> I refused to not fight France
[20:03] <capth> Because you and Shadoweh would kill me otherwise.
[20:03] <Kitten4u> Wait what?
[20:03] <Kitten4u> What did Dan say when he poked you?
[20:03] <Kitten4u> And when was that?
[20:03] <capth> No, this was Dorian asking.
[20:03] <Kitten4u> Oh
[20:03] <capth> Dan's a different case entirely.
[20:03] <capth> I can start working on him at any time.
[20:04] <Kitten4u> I think you should wait for him to come to you
[20:04] <Kitten4u> We don't even know how Dan's going to feel about all this yet.
[20:05] <capth> Hm.
[20:05] <Kitten4u> I just wanted to give a general heads up
[20:05] <capth> My last communication was on August 1
[20:05] <capth> With Dan
[20:05] <Kitten4u> What'd he say?
[20:06] <capth> Aparently, Schezo apologized to him for being deceitful
[20:06] <Kitten4u> Aw
[20:07] <capth> He doesn't trust you.
[20:07] <Kitten4u> No wai
[20:07] <capth> And he thinks you have a lot to gain by attacking me.
[20:07] <Kitten4u> People are still saying that?
[20:08] <capth> August 1
[20:08] <Kitten4u> Mm, a week ago okay
[20:11] <Kitten4u> Oh, there was one more thing I wanted to ask
[20:11] <Kitten4u> Have you thought about my WIFOM some more?
[20:11] <capth> Nope!
[20:11] <Kitten4u> ;_;
[20:11] <capth> I usually consider what I find relevant
[20:12] <Kitten4u> Me murdering Poland isn't relevant? :<
[20:12] <capth> Dorian plans to move his troops closer to you, and Dan needs to cover his southern border
[20:12] <capth> (It's not relevant to my borders)
[20:12] <capth> A lot of movement will happen around Hungary
[20:13] <capth> I'm just not sure if Germany will try to move into it in the Spring with his one unit or place somethign there in the Fall with Dan support.
[20:13] <capth> HOWEVER
[20:13] <capth> Germany will move untils towards your front. That much I'm confident about from my last discussion with him.
[20:13] <capth> Which means moving them through the south.
[20:14] <Kitten4u> When was the last conversation you had with him?
[20:14] <capth> Before the builds
[20:14] <capth> His builds seem to correspond with his last correspondence with me.
[20:15] <Kitten4u> And your moves before the build, how many of them were things they wanted you to do/told them you would do?
[20:15] <capth> pfft.
[20:15] <Kitten4u> This is important.
[20:15] <capth> LLD outright lied to me about her move into Serbia
[20:16] <capth> Course, it wasn't like I didn't try to talk her out of it (through Dorian)
[20:16] <capth> I wanted to cover the ground.
[20:16] <Kitten4u> Yes, we know they are scum.
[20:16] <Kitten4u> The important thing is if they thought you were working with them or not at the time of that conversation
[20:17] <capth> That's a good question.
[20:17] <Kitten4u> That's why I'm asking how many of your moves corresponded to what you said you would do
[20:17] <capth> They were identical.
[20:17] <Kitten4u> k
[20:18] <Kitten4u> It's going to be really hard to hold Hungary unless I'm right about my WIFOM
[20:19] <Kitten4u> Actually, there is one option
[20:19] <capth> Yes?
[20:19] <Kitten4u> I move the fleet out of Rumania and move Olde there
[20:20] <Kitten4u> I don't *think* I'll be using it
[20:20] <capth> Sorry, I was checking the map
[20:20] <Kitten4u> Er *Ode
[20:20] <capth> It will not be possible for a unit in the Western Black sea to cause me problems during my next few turns.
[20:21] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[20:21] <Kitten4u> I wouldn't attack you anyway
[20:21] <Kitten4u> I'll have to think about that
[20:21] <capth> If I do not move into Hungary this turn, but hold
[20:22] <Kitten4u> No, move into Hungary
[20:22] <capth> I will be able to support a move into Hungary next turn
[20:22] <capth> Oh.
[20:22] <capth> Alright then.
[20:22] <Kitten4u> Yeah, need to be able to bounce Germany if he tries to be sneaky
[20:22] <Kitten4u> I'm just thinking of how to hold it after
[20:23] <capth> I won't have Serbia defended :/
[20:23] <capth> I may have to move back in the fall for defensive purposes
[20:23] <capth> Or not, as long as I have bulgaria take it back year 3
[20:24] <capth> Mah, speculation.
[20:24] <capth> *Meh
[20:24] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[20:24] <capth> If you don't want a tank in Serbia, tell me. Otherwise there will be an army that attempts to move to serbia.
[20:25] <Kitten4u> I think it's important enough to keep Germany out of Hungary to risk Serbia
[20:25] <Kitten4u> WIFOM says that LLD won't try to take it because losing Adr would be really bad
[20:25] <Kitten4u> Anyway
[20:25] <capth> You know, assuming Naples isn't for grabs
[20:25] <Kitten4u> I don't mind if you have a tank in Serbia
[20:25] <capth> k
[20:26] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I think she can hold Naples
[20:26] <Kitten4u> Tunis is lost
[20:26] <capth> yep
[20:26] <Kitten4u> The only other thing she has any hope of taking is Serbia
[20:26] <capth> Or France
[20:26] <Kitten4u> This is why I was kind of supporting the idea of the plane moving into Bulgaria
[20:26] <Kitten4u> I think France can hold okay
[20:27] <Kitten4u> Mon is in a bit of trouble, but attacking it means losing Naples so.
[20:27] <capth> The reason I'm against the plane in Bulgaria is that I can take back Serbia just fine so long as I don't lose troops
[20:27] <capth> I figure if I take Bulgaria, I can compensate for Serbia and take it right back
[20:27] <Kitten4u> The downside to that is Italy won't lose a build either
[20:28] <Kitten4u> And I think the plane should move into Serbia
[20:28] <Kitten4u> The tank would still be able to move into Bulgaria if you don't get bounced
[20:28] <capth> I'll try
[20:28] <capth> But I'll probably get attacked in Hungary
[20:28] <capth> which would cut off my plane's support
[20:29] <Kitten4u> I'll be trying to keep Dan busy
[20:29] <capth> Well, here goes nothing.
[20:29] <capth> The plane moves to Serbia.
[20:30] <Kitten4u> It's certainly messy, but I need my guys for attacking unfortunately. :<
[20:30] <capth> At least you have guys at your front. Mine are all back in Turkey XD
[20:30] <capth> Nah, no complaints here.
[20:32] <Kitten4u> I just wish I could take Slo.
[20:32] <Kitten4u> If it weren't for Naples I'd suggest moving into Abl, but undefended territory is too delicious to pass up and it defends France.
[20:33] <capth> There is no way I'm NOT in that ocean
[20:33] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[20:33] <Kitten4u> Abl has certain advantages, but it's not worth giving up the Ionian Sea for
[20:33] <capth> You have no idea how much I was planning for an all out war with Italy though, one that she's squandering in France.
[20:34] <capth> Which is actually where a lot of my strategy concerns come from. I figured my front would be moving slower than my back when I planned.
[20:34] <Kitten4u> You'll be fine
[20:34] <Kitten4u> This is just the advantage of the center countries.
[20:35] <capth> I know. Thanks! And good luck in the north!
[20:35] <Kitten4u> Haha
[20:35] <Kitten4u> I'll be WIFOMing it up with Schezo tonight. @_@
[20:35] <Kitten4u> Damn WIFOM
[20:39] <Kitten4u> For clarification sake, if I determine I don't need Ode for anyhting do you want me to move it into Rumania to help with supporting Hungary and Serbia?
[20:39] <Kitten4u> Just making sure because it requires me to move into the Black Sea
[20:40] <capth> I actually had not considered the possibility at the time.
[20:41] <capth> I do not oppose you mivingg into the Black sea, but I am not thrilled about Black Sea moves.
[20:41] <Kitten4u> Yeah, this is why I'm asking
[20:41] <Kitten4u> The only places it can move right now are Bulgaria and WBS if I want to move Ode into there
[20:43] <capth> If you move it into Bulgaria right now, I would be furious
[20:43] <Kitten4u> Indeed.
[20:43] <Kitten4u> That's why I said it would move into the WBS
[20:43] <Kitten4u> But that's only if you want support from Ode
[20:43] <Kitten4u> I can just leave the fleet in Rumania if you don't
[20:44] <capth> I honestly have no intention of holding Hungary for any extended period of time.
[20:44] <capth> But I get the impression you do not want it to become German property.
[20:44] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[20:44] <capth> Move your fleet into the Black sea.
[20:44] <Kitten4u> I would have moved in there myself, but I need Podolia for shenanigans. :/
[20:45] <Kitten4u> Alright
[20:45] <capth> The wouth won't be perfectly protected, but I have enough units moving along the coast to not be worried about it.
[20:45] <Kitten4u> Note that I will only move it there if I determine I don't need Ode for anything
[20:46] <capth> k
[20:46] <Kitten4u> If Ode is not moving into Rumania the fleet will stay there
[20:46] <capth> Sounds good.
[20:46] <capth> Do you want me to talk to Dan?
[20:47] <Kitten4u> Naw
[20:47] <Kitten4u> Let him come to you
[20:47] <Kitten4u> We still don't know how he's going to react to our ~*~Shenanigans~*~.
[20:47] <capth> That will only happen if you can get him to have a reason to think he should come to me
[20:48] <Kitten4u> We're working on it.
[20:48] <capth> k
[20:48] <Kitten4u> But if he doesn't contact you don't worry about it
[20:48] <capth> k


[00:04] <Kitten4u> o/
[00:04] <capth> Hi!
[00:04] <Kitten4u> Looks like you get Naples.
[00:04] <capth> yay!
[00:04] <Kitten4u> Anyway, would you rather have me support your move into Serbia or support Hungary?
[00:05] <Kitten4u> I *may* be able to do both depending on what Podolia needs to do, but I dunno
[00:05] <Kitten4u> Playing games with Shadoweh, so I can't think het
[00:06] <patch> Broken connection.
[00:06] <Kitten4u> Playing games with shadoweh
[00:06] <Kitten4u> Dungeon time
[00:06] <patch> k
[00:07] <patch> We can talk tomorrow
[00:08] <patch> But if you can defend hungary, I can capture Bulgaria and Naples and just let Serbia go.
[00:08] <patch> It looks like it might be double teamed next turn
[00:08] <Kitten4u> I can definitely defend one of Serbia or Hungary
[00:08] <Kitten4u> I might be able to do both depending on what Podolia needs to do
[00:09] <patch> k
[00:09] <Kitten4u> Also, with how aggressive my move against you looks I'm hoping they may try to talk to you again
[00:10] <patch> That's a good point. I hadn't noticed until I saw it on the map.
[00:10] <patch> Well, no, I did notice, I just didn't think of it as agressive.
[00:10] <Kitten4u> This is why I made sure to ask you about it first.
[00:11] <patch> k.


[22:06] <Kitten4u> o/
[22:06] <capth> Hi!
[22:06] <Kitten4u> Have you heard anything from anyone?
[22:07] <capth> Let me check my PMs
[22:08] <capth> Dolls answered my question about convoys.
[22:08] <capth> But otherwise, no.
[22:08] <Kitten4u> k
[22:09] <Kitten4u> So looking at things
[22:09] <Kitten4u> I think I will be able to support both Hungary and Serbia
[22:09] <Kitten4u> Meaning the chances of you moving into Serbia are very high
[22:10] <Kitten4u> Here's what I see:
[22:10] <Kitten4u> Podolia supports Hungary
[22:10] <Kitten4u> Rumania supports Bulgaria's move into Serbia and Hungary does the same
[22:10] <Kitten4u> So that's 3 units trying to move into Serbia, and two defending Hungary
[22:10] <Kitten4u> They won't be able to take either
[22:11] <capth> Sounds good. Are you sure you don't want to use Podolia?
[22:11] <Kitten4u> I thought about moving it into Slo, but something needs to sit back and babysit Bielorussia
[22:11] <Kitten4u> I think I'm going to have Schezo move out of Moscow, so he won't be able to do it anymore
[22:11] <capth> Move into Belio?
[22:11] <Kitten4u> Basically, I want him to convoy Lat over to Pru and then move Moscow into Lat
[22:12] <capth> His plans are on hiatus until this Poland thing is finished, last I spoke to him
[22:12] <Kitten4u> Yeah, there's not much either of us can do until Poland is done
[22:13] <Kitten4u> Also, once Italy is under control I can have Serbia and Hungary right?
[22:13] <Kitten4u> I need to account for all this in my size quota.
[22:13] <capth> I kind of like those countries
[22:14] <Kitten4u> But you totally said that I could have Serbia at the beginning of the game. :<
[22:14] <capth> Nah, Serbia isn't a very nice country to live in.
[22:14] <capth> And I haven't heard anything all that great about Hungary either
[22:14] <capth> (real world politics)
[22:15] <capth> I shouldn't need either country in my Westward expansion, once Italy is under controls
[22:15] <Kitten4u> k
[22:16] <Kitten4u> I think all your moves for this turn are pretty obvious, so I don't really have anything more to mention
[22:16] <Kitten4u> Enjoy eating Italy!
[22:16] <capth> Not quite
[22:17] <capth> I can either convoy a tank into Naples, or I can move my Navy there.
[22:17] <capth> However, all my moves that border you are fairly obvious.
[22:19] <Kitten4u> Well, I'm more worried about all your moves BECAUSE I don't expect you to attack me
[22:19] <Kitten4u> I'm all about efficiently killing my enemies yo.
[22:21] <capth> On that matter, I am a little bit worried about Germany.
[22:22] <Kitten4u> Why?
[22:22] <capth> I'm going to be meeting his fron next.
[22:22] <capth> He may cause some trouble for me in Italy, seeing as he's clearly on Italy's side.
[22:23] <Kitten4u> Naples is already lost, Croatia will be hard to save, as will Rome
[22:23] <Kitten4u> Tunis is lost
[22:23] <Kitten4u> Italy is going down HARD
[22:23] <capth> True
[22:23] <Kitten4u> And Germany is being attacked by PX in the north
[22:23] <Kitten4u> Be prepared, but I wouldn't worry too much
[22:24] <capth> k
[22:24] <Kitten4u> Oh, and if you want my opinion on the convoy option, I think you should take it
[22:25] <Kitten4u> It would give you an extra unit on Italy's mainland
[22:25] <capth> I agree.
[22:27] <Kitten4u> And then assuming you make it ito Serbia you'll be able to move into adr and move your fleet in the eastern med to the Ionian Sea
[22:29] <capth> Right.
[22:30] <Kitten4u> Admittedly, I still am WIFOMing a bit. I *think* I'll just support you in Hungary because I don't really want you to have to disband a unit if we guess wrong and they attack Hungary intead of Serbia
[22:30] <Kitten4u> Because the only thing I would do with Podolia right now is move into Slo
[22:32] <capth> Not Kra?
[22:32] <Kitten4u> I am of the opinion he will not move out of Cze and that Germany probably won't attack it
[22:32] <Kitten4u> Ergo, Cze will support Kra agai
[22:32] <Kitten4u> n
[22:33] <capth> Yeah, probably.
[22:34] <Kitten4u> I'm starting to with I had done Sev-Ode last turn
[22:34] <Kitten4u> I keep forgetting Sev exists.
[22:35] <capth> K
[22:36] <capth> I could probably support a move into Slo
[22:36] <Kitten4u> I'd rather have you take Serbia
[22:36] <capth> k
[22:37] <Kitten4u> I'm pretty sure if I wanted to take Slo right now I could
[22:37] <Kitten4u> I just have to decide if it's worth risking Hungary for. It'd be really inconvinient for me if they took that
[22:38] <capth> hm...
[22:38] <Kitten4u> I'd also like you to have Serbia, and I DO have a way to garentee that
[22:38] <capth> Got it.
[22:38] <Kitten4u> So we either make sure both happen, so we WIFOM
[22:38] <Kitten4u> *or we WIFOM
[22:39] <Kitten4u> Getting Slo would certainly be useful, I just have to decide if it's useful enough to risk you not only having to disband a unit on Italy's border, but to risk them getting near me
[22:40] <capth> What we really need is Germany to take down Poland.
[22:40] <Kitten4u> I don't think that's a thing that's going to happen
[22:41] <capth> You're probably right.
[22:41] <capth> As long as Poland is turtling, Germany doesn't have to worry about it.
[22:42] <Kitten4u> What I was hoping for doesn't appear to be happening unfortunately
[22:42] <capth> ?
[22:42] <Kitten4u> No one's contacting you, Dan hasn't responded to Shadoweh
[22:42] <capth> East versus West.
[22:42] <Kitten4u> So I"m going to have to do this the old fashioned way
[22:43] <Kitten4u> Which is why I WANT to take Slo, I just need to decide how valuable it is to me
[22:43] <capth> If you have an infinite amount of time, you can take Poland safely.
[22:43] <Kitten4u> Yes
[22:44] <Kitten4u> But I'm impatient dammit. >
[22:44] <capth> 24 hour seasons?
[22:44] <Kitten4u> Not that kind of impatient.
[22:46] <Kitten4u> Ultimately it comes down to this: How dangerously do I want to live?
[22:46] <capth> Question: Do you think he'll do the exact same move this turn?
[22:47] <Kitten4u> It's really hard to say
[22:47] <capth> If he does exactly the same move, you could probably get a unit in there by not confronting him.
[22:48] <capth> Wait, no, I misread.
[22:48] <Kitten4u> I don't think War-Bielorussia will happen again
[22:48] <Kitten4u> Unless it's supported by Kra
[22:49] <Kitten4u> I'm currently trying to figure out the chances of him doing that
[22:50] <capth> Alright, he has an absolutely safe option, which means you would have to straddle around him to break the turtle.
[22:52] <capth> I would kill (Poland and Italy) for an alliance with Germany.
[22:52] <Kitten4u> Haha
[23:22] <Kitten4u> I'm chaning my mind all over the place
[23:22] <Kitten4u> Contimplating moveing into Slo
[23:22] <Kitten4u> I'll let you know how my WIFOM goes.
[23:23] <capth> Hungary supports a move into Serbia, regardless of your final decision.
[23:23] <Kitten4u> I am okay with this
[23:31] <Kitten4u> Hm
[23:31] <Kitten4u> Do you need Bulgaria?
[23:32] <capth> ?
[23:32] <capth> You mean right now?
[23:32] <Kitten4u> Yes
[23:32] <capth> Er, probably not.
[23:32] <capth> Why?
[23:32] <Kitten4u> I might be able to do something with an extra build
[23:32] <Kitten4u> I'd give it back to you later
[23:32] <capth> Probably not.
[23:32] <capth> You already have 2 tanks you aren't using, I don't see how a third one would help.
[23:33] <Kitten4u> Kiev is going to move into Podolia I think
[23:34] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I think the extra unit would be useful for me
[23:35] <Kitten4u> You're already getting +2 this year and you don't seem to have any intentions of taking it this year
[23:35] <Kitten4u> It would also let me disband that useless fleet once I gave it back
[23:35] <Kitten4u> And you're bigger than I am and I'm dealing with Poland, so it's not like I could hurt you by taking it
[23:36] <capth> Actually, I was going to take it this year when I moved my Wing into Serbia.
[23:36] <Kitten4u> I thought you were convoying to Naples?
[23:37] <Kitten4u> Oh, with the other army
[23:37] <capth> Correct. From Ankara
[23:37] <Kitten4u> But you're already getting 2 builds this year
[23:37] <Kitten4u> You definitely will because I've decided to use Rumania to defend Hungary
[23:37] <capth> It's no matter. I just don't like changing my plans.
[23:38] <capth> All it means is that I'll be convoying two armies to the Italian coast.
[23:38] <Kitten4u> Well, it just depends on how fast you want me to murder Poland
[23:38] <Kitten4u> So do you mind if I snag Bulgaria?
[23:38] <capth> Not particularly, now that I think about it.
[23:39] <Kitten4u> k
[23:39] <capth> Just a warning - You won't be able to snag it if my Wing move fails. It shouldn't fail unless both Hungary is attacked and Italy double teams Serbia though, so there should be no issue.
[23:40] <Kitten4u> Yeah I know
[23:40] <Kitten4u> I can do without the build, it'll just be useful
[23:40] <capth> Where will the build go?
[23:41] <Kitten4u> Kiev
[23:41] <Kitten4u> It'll be the new Bielorussia babysitter so that Moscow can do something useful
[23:41] <capth> What about your unit in Sev?
[23:41] <Kitten4u> Sev-Ode, Ode-Podolia
[23:42] <capth> I see it.
[23:42] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[23:42] <Kitten4u> Slow crunch
[23:59] <Kitten4u> k confirming that I am supporting Hungary and moving into Slo
[23:59] <Kitten4u> You won't have to worry about disbanding the unit due to WIFOM
[00:02] <capth> Can you do both?
[00:02] <capth> I'm a little confused about what your moves are...
[00:02] <Kitten4u> Yes
[00:02] <Kitten4u> Rumania is supporting Hungary, Podolia is moving into Slo
[00:03] <Kitten4u> If I end up not getting Bulgaria because of it I can dwi
[00:03] <capth> Then, Hungary is still supporting Bulgaria into Serbia, correct?
[00:03] <Kitten4u> I assume so
[00:03] <capth> Alright.
[00:04] <Kitten4u> It's your unit, so I figured you would know.
[00:04] <capth> I assumed you still wanted Bulgaria
[00:04] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[00:04] <Kitten4u> But I'll be taking that with the fleet, so there's no issue there
[00:04] <Kitten4u> I just can't let Hungary fall
[00:05] <capth> K.
[00:05] <capth> Night.
[00:05] <Kitten4u> Bye bye




[23:06] <capth> Hi Shadoweh!
[23:07] <capth> Have you figured out how you're kicking Italy out of Tun?
[23:10] <capth> ...Are you here, or have you timed out
[23:10] <capth> ?
[23:16] <WMShadoweh> oh I’m here
[23:16] <WMShadoweh> Just cooking a little
[23:16] <capth> K
[23:16] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, Tunis is handled. I wanted to ask you where you’re moving in the sea this turn so our moves don’t bounce each other
[23:17] <capth> Probably nowhere
[23:17] <capth> I was planning on using a convoy to get my tanks across the mediterranian.
[23:17] <WMShadoweh> Well that’s convenient
[23:17] <capth> ?
[23:18] <WMShadoweh> If you’re not moving your fleets we can’t bounce!
[23:18] <capth> K
[23:18] <WMShadoweh> You’re moving your army into Naples?
[23:18] <capth> I think so.
[23:19] <capth> I definitely won't be moving into the Maltese Sea, if that's what you need to know.
[23:19] <WMShadoweh> My plane is going to fly into Libyan too, so if you’re not going into either that works for me
[23:19] <capth> I have no buisness in Africa.
[23:20] <WMShadoweh> No, but Libyan could decrease some of your travel times for fleets
[23:20] <capth> Not really.
[23:21] <capth> The Ionian Sea is more than enough for my current needs.
[23:21] <WMShadoweh> ..Oh, yeah I guess they do go to the same place
[23:25] <capth> I was wondering if you were planning on using England to get rid of Tun immediately, or if you were just going to take your time and probably get it in the Spring.
[23:25] <WMShadoweh> Using England right now
[23:25] <capth> Good!
[23:25] <WMShadoweh> Waiting is effort
[23:26] <capth> Doing it immediately is better for me in the north.
[23:31] <WMShadoweh> I’m impatient anyways
[23:31] <WMShadoweh> England is mad at Spain, can’t imagine why XD
[23:31] <capth> To clarify, what exactly is the plan?
[23:32] <WMShadoweh> I’m going to help England into Tunis is the plan.
[23:33] <capth> Right, but you said you're moving your wing into the Lybian sea
[23:34] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, then it’s going west. Spain is going to be trouble, he was obviously lying about intentions against Italy.
[23:34] <capth> What about Lybia?
[23:34] <capth> Also, Spain never lied to me.
[23:35] <capth> He said he wantd North Africa.
[23:35] <WMShadoweh> Indeed, and it seems we should have heeded you sooner. Kitten keeps telling me I told you so’s
[23:35] <capth> *The fleet in the Lybian sea
[23:36] <WMShadoweh> I’ts going to the Maltese Sea, then probably Tyr since I won’t need it to take Tunis
[23:40] <capth> k
[23:41] <capth> I'm a little worried about Lybia doing the same moe twice is all.
[23:47] <capth> Can I convoy two units with one fleet?

[23:49] <capth> Do you know if I can convoy two units with one fleet?
[23:51] <Shadoweh> I don’t think you can
[23:52] <capth> Hm... I'll ask.


[16:38] <capth> Hi Dorian.
[16:38] <Dorian_Grey> Hi there
[16:39] <capth> I'm here to do Diplomacy negotiations.
[16:39] <Dorian_Grey> What do you want?
[16:39] <capth> An alliance with you, mostly.
[16:40] <capth> Russia and Poland are never going to get along, and I'm not sure myself about your allies, but you yourself I have an interest in.
[16:43] <Dorian_Grey> And in which way are you interest in me?
[16:43] <capth> There is absolutely no way a war between you and me would be practical at any stage of the game.
[16:46] <Dorian_Grey> Indeed, at last not until one of us get oversized.
[16:46] <capth> Even if I were to try to wage a war, I would have a Kitten asking for German land within the hour.
[16:46] <capth> I could not keep anything I get in a war with you without starting another war with Ukraine.
[16:48] <capth> I was wondering a few things.
[16:48] <capth> 1. Are your alliances with Italy and Poland absolute?
[16:49] <capth> 2. What is your real opinion of me?
[16:49] <capth> 3. What is your current opinion of Russia?
[16:49] <capth> 4. What are your thoughts on Ukraine?
[16:51] <Dorian_Grey> Well let me see.
[16:53] <Dorian_Grey> 1. Currendly yes, I can't trust England nor Russia and my plans against France are to far preceded to turn around.
[16:57] <Dorian_Grey> 2. To be honest I'm not sure, your move into serbia was irritating and the move into Hungary is like a open declaration of war.
[16:59] <Dorian_Grey> That's why I'm curious what you suggest after this, cause I think you have a suggestion in mind.
[17:00] <capth> Not if your alliances with Poland and Italy are absolute.
[17:03] <capth> If your cease fire with Italy is absolute, that's a different matter entirely.
[17:05] <Dorian_Grey> Well I'll not go against Poland cause it would currently benefits Russia and Ukraine way more than me.
[17:06] <capth> I understand your reasoning. Because it's true. Russia and Ukraine are absolute allies as long as Poland exists.
[17:06] <capth> Are they'll both be stuck for years, at the current rate of action.
[17:12] <Dorian_Grey> What I also would like to mention it that an withdrawal of your troops in Hungary is the absolute requirement for any kind of cooperation from my side.
[17:12] <capth> That's Italy talking, isn't it?
[17:14] <Dorian_Grey> No, I want Hungary for myself, period.
[17:17] <capth> hmm......
[17:17] <capth> Well, the truth is that I can't keep that territory long term anyway, but I need it right now.
[17:18] <Dorian_Grey> You see, Italys attempt into Serbia was supposed to back up my move into Hungary, not the other way around.
[17:23] <Dorian_Grey> Well you could attack Rum.
[17:23] <capth> No, I can't, and you know why.
[17:24] <capth> Russia was absolutely clear about his intentions against Poland, and you are in no position to offer any support of any kind.
[17:27] <capth> Why are you waging war with France anyway?
[17:32] <capth> Dorian?
[17:33] <Dorian_Grey> The alliance with Italy was early made England was also an preferred ally and you know the reason that speaks against Poland.
[17:33] <capth> What?
[17:34] <capth> You made an alliance with Italy first. I got that.
[17:34] <capth> You wanted an alliance with England?
[17:34] <capth> And why exactly did you team up with Poland?
[17:35] <Dorian_Grey> It was clear that Schezo and Kitten would go against Dan.
[17:36] <Dorian_Grey> If I had attacked Dan then I would have to face both.
[17:37] <capth> Both Russia and Ukraine?
[17:37] <Dorian_Grey> Indeed
[17:37] <capth> And what is your real read on me?
[17:37] <capth> I know you tell me and Russia different stories.
[17:39] <Dorian_Grey> That's how it is in this game.^^
[17:40] <capth> Well, to review what I know.
[17:40] <capth> I know where you stand with Italy and Poland.
[17:41] <capth> And I know that you distrust both me and Schezo beyond the point of alliance, possibly beyond to point of mutual not-starting-wars with eachother.
[17:41] <capth> And I know that you blame the other whenever one of us asks what it would take to make an alliance.
[17:42] <capth> So, clearly there is nothing I can do to make you change your stances.
[17:43] <capth> Now, if we're going to be serious here and make some progress, then I'm all for it.
[17:44] <capth> But if you want to keep your current alliances and progress at a snails pace through your allies in the east and against France in the west, then I don't see any reason to stop you from hindering your own growth.
[17:44] <Dorian_Grey> I can't remember that I said anything about you to Schezo, but I can't recall when the last time I talked to him anyway.
[17:44] <capth> It was a while ago.
[17:45] <capth> Schezo is either a liar (possible), or assumes things he shouldn't.
[17:45] <capth> Probably the latter, I have the same tendency myself.
[17:47] <capth> I apologize. I am out of line.
[17:49] <capth> Anyway, I have my own buisness to attend to at the moment. We can continue these discussions after Poland is out of the picture.
[17:49] <Dorian_Grey> If you say so.
[17:50] <Dorian_Grey> Well It's really late and I have other things to do too.
[17:52] <Dorian_Grey> See you later.
[17:52] <capth> Bye! Let's continue this again in a year or so!
[17:53] <Dorian_Grey> That's fine with me.



[17:55] <capth> Hi Shadoweh!
[17:56] <WMShadoweh> El Capitaine
[17:56] <capth> You have a bit more experience than me with this game, so I wanted to ask your opinion on some moves.
[17:56] <WMShadoweh> With Diplomacy? Sure
[17:57] <capth> I'm trying to decide where to place my fleet in the Aegean sea next turn, along with my Army in Istan.
[17:57] <capth> I have an agreement with K4U over Bulgaria, so it can't go there.
[17:57] <capth> I'll also have two extra builds
[17:58] <capth> Which, naturally, I can only use in places I keep unoccupied
[17:58] <WMShadoweh> You can only use them in your four home supply centers
[17:58] <capth> Oh?
[17:58] <capth> I didn't know that. Nevermind then.
[17:59] <WMShadoweh> We thought you could build planes elsewhere, but DollS clarified that you can’t
[17:59] <capth> k. Nevermind. Then I might as well keep moving west.
[17:59] <WMShadoweh> Glad I could help! >.>b
[18:00] <capth> Thanks!


[18:09] <capth> Diplomacy stuff: There is absoltely no way I can get Germany to attack Poland this year.
[18:09] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I'm not counting on it at all
[18:10] <capth> Also, Germany and Italy are tight. I may have trouble attacking Italy via land due to German support.
[18:10] <capth> I may have to work my way up the boot.
[18:11] <Kitten4u> I'm not worried about it
[18:11] <capth> Me neither.
[18:11] <Kitten4u> Germany's going to have to deal with England and France
[18:12] <Kitten4u> And hopefully me too shortly if things go as planned with Poland
[18:12] <capth> Incidentally, It's obvious that England is not working with Russia.
[18:12] <capth> Do you know the deal up there?
[18:12] <Kitten4u> PX is working with me and is therefore working with Russia
[18:13] <Kitten4u> We are one happy family. <^_^>
[18:13] <capth> Then why didn't Russia support England into Ska?
[18:13] <Kitten4u> Because a tank cannot support a move into water
[18:13] <capth> Derp


[17:19] <capth> Yo.
[17:19] <Kitten4u> o/
[17:19] <capth> PM from Dan.
[17:20] <capth> Wants to do... something with the central Baltics.
[17:20] <Kitten4u> He didn't say what?
[17:20] <capth> It's basically a vague "Will you be allies with me, even though I have no plan and no way of helping you?" type thing.
[17:20] <Kitten4u>
[17:21] <capth> It consists of putting pressure on the central Baltics.
[17:21] <capth> For who knows what reason.
[17:21] <capth> Or even how, for that matter.
[17:22] <capth> In case you're as bad a geography as me, that would be Poland's northern border.
[17:22] <capth> *at
[17:22] <Kitten4u> Oh, he's referring to the Baltic Sea and not the Baltic States?
[17:22] <capth> Oh, well, maybe the Baltic states.
[17:22] <Kitten4u> Yeah, those are Rumania, Bulgaria, Serbia and the like
[17:23] <Kitten4u> It seems like you can be pretty honest in this case
[17:23] <capth> So.... We probably should start talking a bit. I am not sure of your relationship with K4U anymore, but perhaps we could help each-other? I could help with Central baltic territories if you were to put a little pressure on K4U's position. I don't know how this would work, and I think it's a long-shot, but I still want to open up dialogue with you.
[17:23] <capth> That's the content, minus the irrelivant stuff that tells me just a bit TOO much about a mafia game I'm not in
[17:24] <Kitten4u>
[17:24] <Kitten4u> CAn I have the whole thing anyway?
[17:24] <capth> Well...
[17:24] <capth> While I don't know your status in the mafia game
[17:24] <Kitten4u> Oh, so literal Mafia kay
[17:25] <capth> It was general enough that I don't think you would find anything of use from it
[17:26] <Kitten4u> Anyway, it does seem like you can be honest here
[17:26] <Kitten4u> Like, my moves make you a little you a little nervous, but you don't understand what he wants you to do
[17:27] <Kitten4u> At least I think you said me being in the Black Sea made you a little uneasy
[17:27] <capth> Oh, THAT kind of honesty.
[17:27] <capth> I was going to say that I don't see any way he could possibly help me
[17:27] <Kitten4u> :VV
[17:28] <Kitten4u> I will certainly do my best to come up with ways to be as honest as possible about lying.
[17:28] <capth> Incidentally, a word about Serbia.
[17:28] <capth> I don't care about Hungary a bit.
[17:28] <capth> But why do you want Serbia?
[17:28] <Kitten4u> I thought we agreed I could have it at the beginning of the game?
[17:29] <capth> We did.
[17:29] <capth> And I'm slitting my wrists giving it to you, metaphorically.
[17:29] <Kitten4u> It just seemed like a good way to split things up since you would get everything in the east as well as Bulgaria and Greece
[17:30] <Kitten4u> It doesn't have to happen soon. I certainly won't make any moves on it until Italy is dead
[17:30] <capth> Alright.
[17:33] <Kitten4u> Anyway, re: Dan
[17:33] <capth> You want the PM?
[17:34] <Kitten4u> You'd have to get all the info you can out of him before this turn ends
[17:34] <capth> In 3 hours
[17:34] <Kitten4u> If you don't think you can because he is LATE (*shakes fist*) then I'm not sure if it's worth the effort. It'll be pretty clear we're working together still after the update. >__>
[17:34] <Kitten4u> GDI
[17:34] <Kitten4u> It's like it works, but he's too late for me to make any use of it.
[17:37] <Kitten4u> See, this is why I'm killing him.
[17:37] <capth> You think he's submitted his orders yet?
[17:37] <Kitten4u> I dunno
[17:39] <Kitten4u> Blargh
[17:39] <Kitten4u> Kitten4u is sad
[17:39] <capth> Why?
[17:40] <Kitten4u> If he had gotten to you in a timely fashion I think it would be best to respond, but now I'm not even sure if it's worth the effort. :/
[17:40] <capth> Too late. Already responded.
[17:40] <Kitten4u> Oh, it's fine to. I'm just not sure if we'll get anything out of it
[17:42] <Kitten4u> Oh well. If even half this move works for me the WIFOM will be DEAD FOREVER!



[20:15] <capth> K4U, who knew all of our plans?
[20:16] <Kitten4u> I don't think anyone did
[20:16] <capth> Did you tell England and Russia everything?
[20:16] <Kitten4u> The closest would be England, but I really don't think he would do anything to me
[20:16] <Kitten4u> This move turned out not nearly as good as it could have been for him too
[20:16] <Kitten4u> Having a wing in Sweden would have been *beautiful* for him
[20:16] <Kitten4u> And he thought I was defending Serbia, not Hungary
[20:17] <Kitten4u> You are the only one that knew I was defending Hungary
[20:18] <capth> Right, I'm not too concerned with the defense.
[20:21] <capth> Meh, it might be nothing.
[20:21] <Kitten4u> I've been tightlipped with everything about Spain because I've thought they were scum since turn 1. >__>
[20:21] <capth> But from now on, let's not share information we don't need.
[20:22] <capth> I'm not talking about Spain.
[20:22] <Kitten4u> I have to talk pretty openly with Schezo
[20:22] <capth> Naturally.
[20:22] <Kitten4u> But I don't think he wants to slow us down, so
[20:22] <capth> And Shadoweh is definitely on our side?
[20:22] <capth> It's the paranioa talking.
[20:23] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[20:23] <capth> Right.
[20:23] <Kitten4u> I think we just got WIFOMed
[20:23] <capth> I think so too.
[20:24] <Kitten4u> And now I have to WIFOM with Dan again.
[20:24] <capth> Dan got back to me.
[20:25] <Kitten4u> Here are my current thoughts regarding you
[20:25] <Kitten4u> Move into Alb
[20:26] <Kitten4u> Hungary will be left open this fall, but right now I think it should stay there
[20:26] <Kitten4u> I might move into it myself or something, I dunno
[20:26] <Kitten4u> Moving into Alb means you will definitely be able to recapture Serbia this year I think
[20:26] <capth> Oddly, Dan outright told me to trust you :/
[20:26] <Kitten4u> Haha
[20:27] <Kitten4u> Now here's kind of a sneaky thing I'm looking at
[20:28] <Kitten4u> If you can get Abr it might be worth taking Croatia instead of Serbia
[20:28] <capth> Adr
[20:28] <Kitten4u> You might even be able to get both depending on what's happening
[20:29] <Kitten4u> I have issues with letters.
[20:29] <Kitten4u> But yes
[20:30] <Kitten4u> I'm going to try to get Shadoweh Tys
[20:30] <capth> IIRC, units can only be built on home supply centers.
[20:30] <Kitten4u> Yes
[20:31] <capth> Well, then, let's give Italy a fun option.
[20:31] <Kitten4u> More WIFOM!
[20:31] <capth> Sacrifice the east or sacrifice her home supply center.
[20:31] <Kitten4u> Croatia isn't a home supply center I don't think
[20:32] <Kitten4u> But I am of the opinion that she will move into Adr
[20:32] <capth> No, I'm talking about skipping Croatia and working on the boot, where I don't have to handle Germany
[20:32] <Kitten4u> So I'm currently leaning on holding with the Ionian Sea
[20:33] <capth> She has to defend Rome, She can't get new units if I kick her out that way
[20:34] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[20:34] <Kitten4u> This is why I want to get Shadoweh Tys
[20:35] <capth> Can convoys happen over land?
[20:35] <Kitten4u> No
[20:35] <capth> Ah well
[20:35] <Kitten4u> I'm pretty sure they can't anyway
[20:36] <Kitten4u> Might be worth asking DollS anyway
[20:37] <capth> You know, I REALLY hope Italy doesn't disband
[20:37] <Kitten4u> I don't think Italy has to disband anything
[20:37] <capth> It doesn't, and I hope she doesn't take that option
[20:37] <Kitten4u> What are you hoping happens?
[20:38] <capth> That she continues to play EXACTLY the way she's been playing so far
[20:38] <Kitten4u> Haha
[21:09] <Kitten4u> Alright, I'm thinking more
[21:09] <Kitten4u> Serbia cannot be saved
[21:09] <Kitten4u> Do you think Italy will try anyway?
[21:11] <capth> To put it politely.
[21:11] <capth> Either Italy is packining over Naples
[21:12] <capth> Or she isn't familiar enough with the game to be predictable.
[21:14] <Kitten4u> Well, here's what I'm thinking
[21:14] <Kitten4u> Letting you have Adr would be disasterous
[21:14] <Kitten4u> Ergo, she will poke Hungary
[21:15] <Kitten4u> Wait, let me back up
[21:15] <Kitten4u> She will move into Adr to bounce you
[21:15] <Kitten4u> She thinks it will bounce you so she will end up back in Serbia
[21:15] <Kitten4u> She will then poke Hungary to cut support because you wouldn't just leave Hungary open yeah?
[21:15] <Kitten4u> So take it with Hungary
[21:15] <Kitten4u> Use your wing to support
[21:16] <Kitten4u> I'll move into Hungary with support
[21:16] <capth> Do you mean a rational player wouldn't leave Hungary open, or me personally wouldn't leave Hungary open?
[21:16] <Kitten4u> I think both statements apply
[21:16] <capth> K
[21:16] <Kitten4u> Does this logic sound solid?
[21:17] <capth> If the move fails and you launch a supported assault into Hungary, bad things happen to that little tank.
[21:17] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[21:18] <Kitten4u> How dangerously do you want to live?
[21:18] <capth> Not.
[21:18] <capth> How about if my move succeeds, I support you in the Fall?
[21:18] <Kitten4u> Absolutely not. I cannot let them move into Hungary
[21:18] <Kitten4u> That's why I need the supported move there
[21:20] <Kitten4u> I can support Hungary this turn if you feel like going for Serbia in the fall when it's more garenteed
[21:20] <capth> Nope.
[21:21] <capth> Well, actually, give me a second to think.
[21:21] <Kitten4u> Because I think if you move to Abl she can't defend it
[21:22] <capth> I want to move my wing out of Bulgaria so that I can take the province.
[21:22] <Kitten4u> We're having a WIFOM party in #shadowmehmustbekilled if you want to join us
[21:22] <capth> If I do that in the Spring, it wouldn't even matter if the Abl move failed, I would still have Serbia.
[21:23] <Kitten4u> I don't think Abl would fail
[21:24] <capth> I don't think so either.
[21:24] <capth> I just want to move the wing
[21:24] <Kitten4u> Move it to Mac or Greece in the fall
[21:25] <capth> Or I could do it in the Spring, and use it to take Cro in the fall
[21:27] <Kitten4u> I don't think you'll be able to take Cro this year unless you take Adr
[21:27] <capth> Serb
[21:27] <capth> It's late
[21:28] <Kitten4u> Oh yeah.
[21:28] <Kitten4u> That is an option
[21:28] <Kitten4u> Serbia will definitely fall
[21:28] <Kitten4u> It's just a matter of when


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[21:23] <Kitten4u> o/
[21:23] <Kitten4u> ITALIAIN WIFOM GO
[21:25] <Kitten4u> I am of the opinion that LLD will try to bounce Capth out of Adr
[21:25] <Kitten4u> I think I have a pretty good explanation why here hold on
[21:25] <capth> I am of the opinion that she lacks the resources to do that.
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:11] <Kitten4u> Well, here's what I'm thinking
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:11] <Kitten4u> Letting you have Adr would be disasterous
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:11] <Kitten4u> Ergo, she will poke Hungary
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:11] <Kitten4u> Wait, let me back up
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:12] <Kitten4u> She will move into Adr to bounce you
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:12] <Kitten4u> She thinks it will bounce you so she will end up back in Serbia
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:12] <Kitten4u> She will then poke Hungary to cut support because you wouldn't just leave Hungary open yeah?
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:12] <Kitten4u> So take it with Hungary
[21:25] <Kitten4u> [19:12] <Kitten4u> Use your wing to support
[21:26] <capth> Oh, wait Adr. Nevermind
[21:26] <@PX> Either way
[21:26] <@PX> Italy is in a predicament
[21:26] <@PX> Either she defends or expands
[21:27] <Kitten4u> The problem is that this plan requires me to attack Hungary. If Dan takes Slo then he will have to disband that tank
[21:29] <Kitten4u> The "safe" option is something like this I think
[21:29] <@PX> What are you people buildin...
[21:29] <@PX> Wait
[21:29] <@PX> Am I the only person?
[21:29] <@PX> Well, Capth got another build right?
[21:29] <capth> Yes.
[21:29] <@PX>
[21:29] <Kitten4u> Bulgaria-Mac, Ionian-Adr, Greece-Abl, Istan-Bulgaria
[21:29] <@PX> Two builds it is for me
[21:29] <@PX> Two more fleets
[21:29] <@PX> FUCK YEAH
[21:30] <Kitten4u> That would garentee Serbia as well, just later
[21:30] <@PX> Btw, I need to grab Bordeaux
[21:30] <Kitten4u> And I'd use Rumania to support Hungary
[21:30] <capth> It's the same year, so I don't mind waiting
[21:30] <Kitten4u> I just kind of want Bulgaria. >x>
[21:30] <Kitten4u> But I suppose I can let you have it if I get Hungary instead
[21:31] <capth> You can have Hungary.
[21:31] <@PX> You guys need Hungary
[21:31] <capth> I do not need it, and it is actually inconvenient for my focus
[21:31] <Kitten4u> Well, if you're going to play it safe, can you support me into Slo if I decide I need it?
[21:31] <Kitten4u> STILL NEED TO WIFOM THAT OUT ANDFAKLDFNGGERFe
[21:31] <capth> Absolutely.
[21:31] <@PX> You know, you can actually destroy Italy's fleet in Serbia
[21:32] <capth> Not if it's backed up
[21:32] <@PX> Well, you guys have fun
[21:33] <@PX> Spain is a pile of stupid
[21:33] <@PX> But he can ACTUALLY attack Italy
[21:33] == mode/#Shadowmehmustbekilled [+v Kitten4u] by PX
[21:34] <Shadoweh> He’s not going to.
[21:35] <capth> Um PX...
[21:35] <capth> Are you allies with Spain or... what is your deal with Spain?
[21:35] <+Kitten4u> Spain is on our kill list
[21:35] <capth> Right.
[21:36] <capth> I just took a look at Morocco and got ery confused.
[21:36] <capth> *very
[21:36] <+Kitten4u> I think it was to cut support into Tunis
[21:36] <+Kitten4u> They thought Shadoweh was taking it
[21:38] <capth> K...
[21:38] <+Kitten4u> I mean, they thought they would be bounced back into Morocco so they could take it
[21:38] <+Kitten4u> It's pretty obvious that Spain is working with Italy
[21:39] <@PX> Spain is an idiot
[21:39] <@PX> That is all
[21:39] <@PX> I can't rush into Bordeaux though >_<
[21:40] <Shadoweh> At least you get an extra build for one more turn
[21:40] <@PX> Eh
[21:41] <@PX> I get two builds
[21:41] <+Kitten4u> I'm working on it! >__>
[21:41] <@PX> Either way
[21:41] <@PX> Is spain is scum
[21:41] <+Kitten4u> So can we WIFOM about my moves now? D:
[21:41] <@PX> then they're attacking Tunis
[21:41] <capth> Incidentally Shadoweh, how do you feel about visiting the Colloseum?
[21:43] <capth> Or to put it another, more explicit way, how you feel about having PX support a move by your navy into the Tyrrhenian Sea, so that we can knock out a second Italian home supply center?
[21:45] <capth> @seen Shadoweh
[21:45] <Shadoweh> o.o
[21:45] <Shadoweh> I think that’s what we want to do.
[21:46] <+Kitten4u> Yeah
[21:46] <Shadoweh> Kitten your moves are all head explodey
[21:46] <+Kitten4u> I think we have most of your guys' moves worked out, but I still have no idea what to do. :<
[21:46] <+Kitten4u> Do I move into Slo? Do I attack Kra? Do I attack Lit? @_@
[21:46] <+Kitten4u> Damn WIFOM
[21:46] <+Kitten4u> I think I'm leaning towards taking Slo
[21:46] <+Kitten4u> Podolia-Slo, Kiev-Podolia
[21:47] <@PX>
[21:47] <@PX> There's the problem with that
[21:47] <@PX> SPAIN
[21:47] <+Kitten4u> ?
[21:47] <+Kitten4u> What can Spain do? :S
[21:47] <@PX> Cut support from Tunis, of course
[21:47] <+Kitten4u> Oh, different thing k
[21:48] <+Kitten4u> I think you should go for it anyway
[21:48] <Shadoweh> We could support a move from Lybia into that province Spain is sitting in beside us
[21:49] <+Kitten4u> I think I'd rather have you guys have Tys, but I suppose this is less relevant to me
[21:50] <capth> Tys?
[21:50] <+Kitten4u> I can never remember how to spell it. >__>
[21:50] <capth> There are a lot of T ones.
[21:50] <+Kitten4u> Tyrrhenian Sea = Tys
[21:50] <capth> Tun?
[21:50] <capth> Tyr?
[21:51] <capth> oh
[21:51] <capth> Yeah, I usually just put the orders in long hand.
[21:51] <+Kitten4u> I just use whatever's on the map
[21:51] <+Kitten4u> I just can never remember how to spell that.
[21:52] <Shadoweh> We’d be able to hold Tys longer for sure.
[21:53] <@PX> ...
[21:53] <@PX> No we can't Shadoweh
[21:53] <@PX>
[21:53] <@PX> Ships don't travel over sand
[21:54] <Shadoweh> YES THEY DO
[21:54] <@PX>
[21:54] <@PX> I abbreviate everything
[21:54] <@PX> My builds
[21:54] <@PX> What to do
[21:55] <@PX> Fleets, Wings, Armies?
[21:55] <+Kitten4u> I did last game because I had all of them on hand
[21:55] <@PX> If only I had Gib
[21:55] <+Kitten4u> But this map doesn't have all the abbreviations
[21:55] <@PX> http://www.diplom.org/Zine/W1995A/Mous/Modern.html
[21:55] <@PX>
[21:55] <@PX> This page does
[21:55] <@PX> If it's not stated, it's the first 3 letters
[21:55] <capth> As an aside, I may be convoying again in the Spring
[21:56] <+Kitten4u> It's not always the first three letters though
[21:56] <@PX> You can convoy Shadoweh's Army
[21:56] <capth> I was going to convoy one of my own.
[21:56] <capth> Though that works too
[21:57] <@PX> Oh right
[21:57] <@PX> You can make an army and covoy that
[21:57] <@PX> I forgot
[21:57] <@PX>
[21:57] <@PX> You guys should fuck around with your fleets in the black sea
[21:57] <@PX> by just swapping supply centers
[21:58] <+Kitten4u> Yeah, building in Izmir would let you convoy it in the spring
[21:58] <+Kitten4u> I told you, too much work PX.
[21:58] <capth> Right, and I don't need any more ships or planes right now.
[21:58] <capth> I need tanks.
[21:58] <Shadoweh> I on the other hand do not need tanks. What are they for anyways?
[21:59] <+Kitten4u> Tanks are the best
[21:59] <capth> Inland warfare
[21:59] <@PX> They're for the mainland
[21:59] <@PX>
[21:59] <@PX> That's why I have one
[21:59] <capth> Also going from Lybia to Algeria without declaring war on tunis
[22:00] <+Kitten4u> So guys, do I move into Slo or attack? :<
[22:01] <+Kitten4u> I'm leaning towards moving into slo, but WIFOM
[22:01] <capth> Can you afford to lose Slo if youattack?
[22:01] <+Kitten4u> I think so
[22:01] <capth> Cause if you don't have something in Slo, Dan'll retreat into it
[22:01] <+Kitten4u> It's just a matter of this:
[22:01] <+Kitten4u> What does he defend?
[22:01] <+Kitten4u> I have no idea what he defends.
[22:02] <+Kitten4u> So I was thinking of just moving into Slo and getting more units active
[22:02] <@PX> You can't do that capth
[22:02] <@PX> I keep saying
[22:02] <@PX>
[22:02] <capth> Why not?
[22:02] <@PX> Ships can't suddenly swim over sand
[22:02] <Shadoweh> Last time he tried to defend everything
[22:02] <+Kitten4u> Yeah
[22:02] <+Kitten4u> This is why I'm leaning moving into Slo
[22:02] <@PX> Lybia CANNOT move to Algeria
[22:02] <@PX> Simple because it is a fleet
[22:03] <capth> That's what I implied PX.
[22:03] <capth> Tanks are for going from Lybia to algeria without declaring war on Tunis
[22:03] <@PX>
[22:03] <@PX> I'll probably just not care
[22:03] <@PX> And send in orders towards the end of the limit
[22:04] <Shadoweh> I’ve already sent mine in!
[22:04] <Shadoweh> Kidding for once
[22:05] <capth> I want to see the retreat orders before I commit.
[22:06] <+Kitten4u> Schezo's moving to Prussia and I'm 90% LLD will retreat to Tys
[22:07] <capth> Right. I still want to see the orders.
[22:07] <+Kitten4u> Anyway, these build orders don't affect me at all
[22:08] <+Kitten4u> I suspect I will likely move into Slo. So will you support me there in the spring capth?
[22:09] <capth> Yep
[22:10] <+Kitten4u> k
[22:11] <@PX> D:
[22:11] <@PX> What do I build?!
[22:11] <+Kitten4u> How many do you get?
[22:11] <Shadoweh> BUILD IN BAR
[22:11] <+Kitten4u> 2 right?
[22:11] <@PX> 2
[22:12] <capth> Build Tanks
[22:12] <capth> Convoy.
[22:12] <capth> WIN!
[22:12] <@PX> Convoy right into France
[22:12] <+Kitten4u> Fleet in London for Spanish assult methinks
[22:12] <+Kitten4u> Means you get Mao in the fall
[22:13] <+Kitten4u> I dunno about the other. Flip a coin?
[22:13] <+Kitten4u> You will want tanks down there at some point, so it may be worth building one
[22:14] <+Kitten4u> Actually, bulding a tank in Liv means you might be able to convoy it to Portugal later
[22:14] <+Kitten4u> Send it to Whales and then have Eng and Mao convoy it
[22:14] <@PX>
[22:14] <@PX> Dormio
[22:14] <@PX> Mao
[22:14] <@PX> Dormio
[22:15] <+Kitten4u> ?
[22:15] <@PX> That's where he went last turn
[22:15] <+Kitten4u> Yeah
[22:15] <+Kitten4u> That's why you move Lon to Eng and support the move
[22:15] <+Kitten4u> Note I said in the fall, not the spring.
[22:29] <+Kitten4u> Retreat orders are up
[22:30] <@PX> ...
[22:30] <@PX>
[22:31] <+Kitten4u> ?
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[22:44] <capth> You know, if we send in our orders now, we could have an update before the end of the night PX.
[22:45] <@PX>
[22:45] <@PX> Wait, retreat orders done?
[22:45] <+Kitten4u> Yeah
[22:45] <@PX> Meh, obvious retreat orders
[22:45] <@PX> What to build...
[22:45] <+Kitten4u> I vote fleet in Lon, army in Liv
[22:46] <@PX> I want an army on the mainland for sure
[22:47] <capth> That's easy. Just take Gebralter back!
[22:48] <@PX>
[22:48] <@PX> Rush Gib
[22:49] <@PX> ZERG RUSH IT
[22:49] <capth> LEEROY JEENKINS!
[22:49] <+Kitten4u> Land an army in Navarra and take Bordeoux.
[22:50] <capth> Clearly the only way to play diplomacy
[22:50] <capth> Incidentally, Zerg rush is ironically your best bet PX/
[22:50] <@PX>
[22:50] <capth> You have a lot of units now that you'll lose otherwise
[22:50] <@PX> Zerg Rush didn't work against Dormio
[22:50] <@PX> Damn Koreans
[22:51] <@PX> Oh, I have units I can afford to lose
[22:51] <capth> Were you actually using Zerg? In StarCraft 2?
[22:51] <capth> You actually probably don't need a second tank, now that I think about it.
[22:51] <+Kitten4u> I think he does
[22:52] <+Kitten4u> One for Germany, one for Spain
[22:52] <capth> Not until he can get one tank on the mainland
[22:52] <+Kitten4u> And then both can go to france
[22:52] <capth> K
[22:54] <@PX> Dude, we played SC1
[22:54] <@PX> When I challenged him


[17:26] <capth> Hi Shadoweh!
[17:26] <Shadoweh> Hello capt.Turkey
[17:26] <capth> I was wondering if I should move my army in Naples into Rome.
[17:28] <Shadoweh> Lemme look at the map and see
[17:34] <capth> ?
[17:35] <Shadoweh> I’m lookan!
[17:36] <Shadoweh> Oh, yeah you might as well try. I think she’ll support her tank or fleet into Naples though.
[17:36] <Shadoweh> Where’s your fleet going?
[17:37] <capth> Convoying fleets can't move the turn they convoy
[17:40] <Shadoweh> It can’t convoy this turn can it?
[17:40] <capth> ?
[17:40] <capth> The only fleet that can't convoy this turn is in
[17:40] <capth> Greece
[17:41] <capth> The other two are being used to stuff another tank onto the Italian mainland
[17:41] <Shadoweh> Oh, right. I keep forgetting how those squares are.
[17:42] <capth> k
[17:44] <Shadoweh> Even if it might not work I don’t see a better move then Rome
[17:44] <capth> Well, the alternative is no move, which has it's merits as well.
[17:44] <capth> Like, if Italy were to try something bizarre.
[17:45] <capth> Incidentally, an attack on the Ty sea would be highly beneficial, since either Italy is moving out of it, or you cut off support from it leaving Rome unoccupied
[17:46] <Shadoweh> We’re going to bust into it.
[17:46] <capth> Right.


[21:40] <capth> Hi Conq!
[21:42] <capth> I'm contacting you in regards to Diplomacy.
[21:45] <Conqueror> Hey
[21:45] <Conqueror> Well, Dormio is actually running most of the shots now.
[21:45] <Conqueror> Want to start a room?
[21:45] <capth> Sure!
[21:45] <Conqueror> (So he can join in)
[21:45] <Conqueror> Alright
[21:46] <Conqueror> Hmm, looks like he's afk
[21:46] <Conqueror> Wait nvm
[21:46] <Conqueror> #AAAAAAAAAAA
[21:46] <Conqueror> Join that room.



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[21:47] <Conqueror> Hello there Turkey!
[21:47] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> What's up, Yellow
[21:47] <capth> Well, truth is, I'm kind of curious as to where you stand concerning Italy and France.
[21:48] <Conqueror> Our stance is: France is a pretty cool guy
[21:48] <Conqueror> Most other people can go die in a fore.
[21:48] <Conqueror> *fire
[21:48] <Conqueror> Poland, Turkey, and maybe Germany are cool too
[21:48] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> p.much
[21:48] <capth> K
[21:49] <capth> That''s an interesting map of the world, TBH.
[21:49] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> why though?
[21:49] <capth> It ignores all the curent alliances of which I am aware.
[21:50] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> as far as I'm aware, the world is divided into 3 blocks
[21:50] <Conqueror> ^
[21:50] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> I'm not sure where you stand though, or whether you're a 4th block
[21:50] <Conqueror> Well, Poland is a free agent too.
[21:50] <capth> Lets share.
[21:50] <Conqueror> (brb dinner. keep talking)
[21:51] <capth> I am aware of two blocks in the world, with you as a "free agent"
[21:51] <capth> These two blocks are the 6 countries Egypt, myself, Ukraine, Russia, and England
[21:51] <capth> Against Poland, Germany, and Italy.
[21:52] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> ahaha the kitten block
[21:52] <capth> Forgot France
[21:52] <capth> France is in the Kitten block, as far as I know
[21:52] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> oh?
[21:53] <capth> Well, to be more accurate, France is against the Germany/Italy alliance that is trying to crush it.
[21:53] <capth> Now your turn, what are the three blocks?
[21:53] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> Kitten block, central europe block, southwestern blcok
[21:54] <capth> Yourself and France?
[21:54] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> France is a pretty cool guy
[21:54] <capth> I agree.
[21:57] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> so, uh, what did you want to talk about?
[21:57] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> outside of our thoughts on france/italia
[21:57] <capth> The only parts of the game that correlate to both of us is the France/Italy issue.
[21:58] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> you're going to roll into italy, right?
[21:58] <capth> P. much.
[21:58] <capth> *pretty much.
[22:00] <capth> To be clear, anyone who is currently against France is currently my ally, and anyone else I'm trying to keep cease fires with.
[22:00] <capth> T*Italy
[22:00] <capth> Anyone who is against Italy is currently my ally.
[22:00] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> enemy of my enemy is my friend
[22:00] <capth> Exactly!
[22:01] <capth> And this was mostly to see if you were the enemy of my enemy.
[22:01] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> I think everyone on the lower half of the board is italy's enemy
[22:01] <@Fujiyama_volKeine>
[22:02] <capth> Poor Italy.
[22:02] <capth> Still, a great source of friends.
[22:05] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> sorry if I'm a bit nonresponsive
[22:05] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> I need to go to uni soon
[22:06] <capth> Oh that's fine.
[22:06] <capth> I'll see you later then!
[22:06] <@Fujiyama_volKeine> later then
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[22:54] <Conqueror> @later tell *dorm* Not to mention they were both double-crossing us, so @*#$ that noise. Burn them all.
[22:54] <@Keine-tan> Conqueror: Okay! ^_^
[22:54] <capth> Guns are a right, not a priviledge
[22:54] <Conqueror> Whoops.
[22:54] <capth> wat.
[22:54] <Kitten4u> What
[22:54] <Conqueror> Wrong window, was supposed to be talking to Keine.
[22:54] <capth> Obviously.
[22:54] <Kitten4u> GJ.
[22:55] <capth> That's going in my log files
[22:55] <Conqueror> >:<
[22:55] <Kitten4u> What makes you think we were going to do anything to you before you claimed scum? >__>
[22:55] <Kitten4u> Seriously
[22:56] <Conqueror> To tell the truth, Dormio was railing against PX ever since the start.
[22:56] <Conqueror> I was against it.
[22:56] <Conqueror> But hey, whatever happened happened.
[22:56] <capth> Both?
[22:57] <Conqueror> We told Italy to stop attacking France, but she obviously didn't listen.
[22:57] <capth> Italy and England double crossed you :S
[22:58] <Conqueror> Well, we stabbed England first, so it's understandable.
[22:58] <PX_>
[22:58] <PX_> GJ
[22:58] <Conqueror> We were never allies with Italy, so that's understandable too.
[22:58] <Conqueror> NO FRIENDS ;_;
[22:58] <PX_> Thanks for claiming
[22:58] <PX_> Makes our job easier
[22:58] <Kitten4u> Hey, I gave you the opportunity to beocme my puppet state
[22:58] <Kitten4u> Then you could have had lots of friends!
[22:58] <Conqueror> No townie voting blocks! >:<
[22:59] <PX_> I gave you Gib you fuxers
[22:59] <Shadoweh> ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~
[22:59] <Kitten4u> I think this is less a voting block and more "do what I say or I will kill you"
[22:59] <Conqueror> PX: Well, it's either you give it to us, or we take it.
[22:59] <Shadoweh> Kitten told me there was cake
[22:59] <Kitten4u>
[22:59] <Conqueror> Kitten is trying to kill you all, stop her before it's too ljkht2lkgsf
[22:59] <PX_>
[22:59] <Kitten4u> I'm not trying to kill everyone.
[22:59] <PX_> Remember back in Fall 1994?
[22:59] <Kitten4u> Why does everyone keep saying this? ;_;
[22:59] <PX_> I could have supported your move
[23:00] <PX_>
[23:00] * Shadoweh jabs the needle into Conqy and hides the instrument. >.>
[23:00] <capth> Is it really double crossing if you were never on their side and/or backstabbed them first?
[23:00] <PX_> Which would have been major lulz
[23:00] <Conqueror> Also, PX, I'll give you all the logs where I argued against Dormio.
[23:00] <PX_> Dude
[23:00] <PX_> WHy you listen to DORMIO?!
[23:00] <PX_> Of all people
[23:00] <Kitten4u>
[23:00] <Conqueror> Dormio was the one running the show this time.
[23:00] <Kitten4u> See, this is why I'm the superior usurper
[23:00] <PX_> Why did you sign up for it then?
[23:01] <Conqueror> Why do I ever sign up for anything, I wonder?
[23:01] <capth> That's... a legitimate question
[23:01] * PX_ stabs capth
[23:01] <PX_> @roulette
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[23:02] * Keine-tan reloads and spins the chambers.
[23:02] <PX_> Wow, that was major lag
[23:02] <Kitten4u> @roulette
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[23:02] * Keine-tan reloads and spins the chambers.
[23:02] <PX_> Keine has gone berserk
[23:02] <PX_> D:
[23:02] <Kitten4u> Keine is grumpy today
[23:02] <PX_> 4 kicks in a row


<capth> Hey K4U, do you have the diplomacy resolutions?
<capth> For reasons beyond my control, it is not possible for me to check them myself.
<Kitten4u> Well, DollS hasn't updated yet
<capth> Oh.
<capth> DollS isn't a very timely mod, I guess
<Kitten4u> I think someone still hasn't sent in their orders
<capth> No.
<capth> No more of this.
<capth> I vote that unsent orders become hold orders from now on.
<capth> Bah.



[23:11] <Kitten4u> o/
[23:12] <capth> Hi
[23:12] <Kitten4u> So here are my thoughts for the next turn
[23:13] <Kitten4u> LLD have given you both Serbia and Adr
[23:13] <Kitten4u> I think taking it with Hungary and letting me have Hungary as planned works best
[23:13] <Kitten4u> And that Adr should be taken with Abl so you can convoy anymore units you need
[23:13] <capth> Sure
[23:14] <Kitten4u> I think the army in Naples should support Shadoweh's move into Rome so that she can actually grow this turn
[23:14] <Kitten4u> And I think the other army should try to take Venice
[23:14] <capth> K
[23:14] <Kitten4u> If you can take Venice I will be the happiest kitten ever
[23:14] <Kitten4u> Because if I can get Austria all WIFOM will vanish forever.
[23:15] <Kitten4u> Naturally, even if you can't I'll be supporting you into Croatia next year so I can just take it then
[23:15] <capth> K
[23:15] <Kitten4u> For the first time I feel like my moves are clear. IT's so weird.
[23:16] <capth> Nah, I feel that way every turn
[23:17] <Kitten4u> Yeah, but you don't have to WIFOM as much as me. :<
[23:18] <capth> Well, sounds good. I'll see you later!
[23:18] <Kitten4u> Bye bye



[00:55] <capth> Yo Shadoweh
[00:55] <Shadoweh> helloz
[00:55] <capth> Anything to discuss concerning Diplomacy?
[00:55] <Shadoweh> Gimme a sec
[01:01] <capth> I'm supporting Tyr, right?
[01:01] <Shadoweh> Yeah, into Rome, that’s the plan right now
[01:01] <capth> K
[01:01] <capth> Next year I would like to swap Romw for Naples
[01:02] <Shadoweh> That sounds fine. Better positioning for both of us
[01:02] <capth> Exactly
[01:05] <capth> You know, Dan's... weird at this game.
[01:05] <Shadoweh> Dan is just weird
[01:05] <capth> Good point.
[01:06] <Shadoweh> Did he send you something?
[01:06] <capth> Yeah.
[01:06] <Shadoweh> Oh right, and I’m probably going to use the same waterways for my other boats, is that a problem?
[01:06] <capth> He's 100% honest.
[01:06] <capth> Waterways? which ones?
[01:06] <Shadoweh> Ahha
[01:07] <capth> I don't really need to see the sea west of Naples
[01:07] <Shadoweh> Then there shouldn’t be any interference
[01:07] <capth> K
[01:09] <capth> Night
[01:10] <Shadoweh> Are any of your ships moving up? If the ship in Ionian is moving up, I can move the ship below it there, and then that ship into Naples
[01:10] <Shadoweh> Ahaha waaait
[01:10] <capth> Ionian isn't moving. However, Mediterranean is moving to Aegean
[01:11] <capth> Ionian is supporting instead
[01:11] <Shadoweh> Okay. Somehow I don’t see myself moving to the Med anytime soon
[01:11] <capth> If you start moving into the mediterranian, I have bigger issues than France
[01:11] <capth> *Italy
[01:11] <capth> Bigger issues than Italy
[01:11] <Shadoweh> Teehee.
[01:11] <Shadoweh> Other then that, I think we’re good!
[01:12] <capth> K
[01:12] <Shadoweh> So have a good night ^^
[01:12] <capth> Night


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[19:49] <capth> So... Anyone seen DollS?
[19:50] <Serena> Diplomacy just updated
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[19:50] <Serena> I'm rather surprised that people keep on insisting on doing things that don't benefit them.
[19:55] <capth> @any Serena
[19:55] <@Keine-tan> capth: Serena was last seen in #MotKTown 5 minutes and 14 seconds ago: <Serena> I'm rather surprised that people keep on insisting on doing things that don't benefit them.
[19:55] <Serena> ?
[19:55] <capth> @whatis Serena
[19:55] -Keine-tan- Error: No factoid matches that key.
[19:56] <Serena> Kitten4u.
[19:56] <Serena> And it's /whois
[19:56] <capth> K
[19:57] <capth> So, who is doing things that don't benefit them?
[19:57] <Serena> France mostly
[19:58] <Aria> FRANCE
[19:58] <Aria> Because FRANCE
[19:58] <capth> It's a tiny bit hard to figure out what France is doing.
[19:58] <Serena> Yes
[19:59] <Serena> This is why we shout his name in caps
[19:59] <capth> Maybe he's using Keine?
[19:59] <Serena> Maybe.
[20:00] <Serena> So Dormio, did you ACTUALLY send it to him? >__>
[20:00] <Serena> Because like, now he doesn't get a build
[20:00] <capth> Well, it would explain why the troop movements seem so random
[20:01] <capth> Still, Spain is almost as bad
[20:01] <Serena> Spain at least makes some sense.
[20:09] <Conqueror> Sadly enough, there are no moves that benefit France. :<
[20:09] <Conqueror> He gets the short end of the stick every time.
[20:09] <Serena> But that move did benefit France
[20:09] <Conqueror> What move?
[20:09] <Conqueror> Oh.
[20:09] <Serena> You see, I WANT France to live, so I wanted him to get a build
[20:09] <Serena> Pic-Bel. >__>
[20:09] <Conqueror> I wanted France to get a build too, mind you.
[20:09] <Serena> I ONLY POKED YOU ABOUT IT LIKE FOUR TIMES. ;_;
[20:10] <Conqueror> Sowwy ;_;
[20:10] <Serena> kangkaekrlaknga
[20:11] <Conqueror> Dormio reminds me of the SK from DtB
[20:12] <Serena> I GAVE HIM SOMETHING TO COPY/PASTE
[20:12] <Serena> kalnglknketatg
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[20:12] <Conqueror> SPEAK OF THE DEVIL
[20:12] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff router
[20:13] <Serena> DORMIO
[20:13] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> HI
[20:13] <Serena> THIS IS MY ANGRY FACE
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[20:13] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> does it look like
[20:13] <Conqueror> DORMIO HAVE WE FAKECLAIMED TRAITOR YET
[20:13] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> or <^-^>
[20:13] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> I DON'T KNOW MAN
[20:13] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> I THOUGHT WE WERE TRAITOR
[20:13] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> BTW
[20:13] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> I AM THE TRAITOR
[20:13] <Serena> Man, that move benefited you and France in every way though.
[20:13] <Serena> I wouldn't have bothered coming to you otherwise
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[20:15] <Conqueror> >Benefited us
[20:15] <Conqueror> Wait what
[20:15] <Conqueror> I can see the France benefit
[20:15] <Conqueror> But I don't see what we would have gotten out of it
[20:16] <Serena> A stronger France
[20:16] <Serena> You said that was good for you.
[20:16] <Serena> Stronger France + Weaker England
[20:16] <Conqueror> Yeah, but it still doesn't do anything.
[20:16] <Serena> Instead you now have same France and stronger Germany
[20:16] <Serena> GJ
[20:17] <Serena> See, this is why I'm so confused as to why you guys didn't take it
[20:17] <Serena> It was legit good for both of you, especially since you could take Morrocco and there wasn't anything he could do about it
[20:17] <Conqueror> >.>
[20:18] <Conqueror> See the position of England's northern fleets?
[20:18] <Serena> Yep!
[20:18] <capth> Come to think of it, why aren't you conquering France?
[20:18] <Serena> He would still be down two supply centers!
[20:18] <Conqueror> France is a buffer zone against people.
[20:18] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> france is a cool guy etc.
[20:18] <Conqueror> I don't want to be neighboring Germany or Italy just yet.
[20:19] <Conqueror> *We
[20:19] <Conqueror> And France cool guy yes
[20:19] <capth> Did you actually coordinate that last move, or is that France betraying you?
[20:19] <Serena> Exactly. That's why you kill them.
[20:19] <Hero999> god now I want to play
[20:19] <Serena> I want you to kill them dammit. ;_;
[20:19] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> Hero999 kick out PX
[20:19] <Serena> That's why I wanted France to get a build
[20:19] <Hero999> and cause conspiracies everywhere
[20:19] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> and claim england as your own
[20:19] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> PX can become norway or something
[20:19] <Serena> Did you really think I had ulterior motives as UKRAINE? >__>
[20:19] <Hero999> PX already took his role back
[20:20] <Conqueror> Kitten, ulterior motives? No wai. >_>
[20:20] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> NO WAY
[20:20] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> KITTAN WOULD NEVER BE ANYTHING BUT PERFECTLY HONEST
[20:20] <Serena> There are no ulterior motives. I told you exactly why I wanted you to do it.
[20:20] <Serena> Take Bel --> Get build --> MURDER MY ENEMIES
[20:20] <Serena> It's not complicated.
[20:21] <Conqueror> France isn't dying as long as we're protecting him.
[20:21] <Conqueror> I forsee expansion opportunities for him in the future.
[20:21] <Serena> Then why didn't you have him take Bel?
[20:21] <Serena> He could have expanded right now'
[20:22] <Serena> See, I want to be friends with France too even if he won't talk to me.
[20:22] <Conqueror> I haven't actually been talking to France; Dormio would have to answer that for you.
[20:22] <capth> Pretty soon, you can have France buffer you against Turkey and Egypt!
[20:22] <Conqueror> >:<
[20:22] <Conqueror> Spain + France superalliance. They said it couldn't be done!
[20:22] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> But France is a cool guy etc.
[20:23] <Serena> I'm okay with the alliance, I just don't understand why you guys dont' do things that directly benefit you.
[20:23] <Conqueror> Italy is already serving as the eastern buffer.
[20:23] <Serena> I mean, Germany has already shown he wants to kill France
[20:23] <Serena> Why the hell are you helping him?
[20:23] <capth> You mean Italy
[20:23] <capth> Why is Conq helping Italy
[20:23] <Serena> No, I mean Germany
[20:23] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> because we are the traitor
[20:23] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> WE ARE THE ONLY TOWNIES IN THIS GODDAMN THIRD PARTY GAME
[20:23] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> LET US GO INTO THE FUTURE, MY TOWNIE MASON BUDDY
[20:24] <Serena> I just don't really understand why you wouldn't do things that are actively good for you
[20:24] <Conqueror> "Helping" Italy.
[20:24] <Conqueror> Because we're townies. :<
[20:24] <Conqueror> Unlike the rest of you scumbags.
[20:24] <Conqueror> >:<
[20:24] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> ^
[20:25] <Serena> ...Why wouldn't town want to do things that benefit their wincon again?
[20:25] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> because lolz?
[20:25] <Conqueror> We don't have enough information to know what benefits our wincon.
[20:25] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> We are Shinji Ikari
[20:25] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> Congratulations
[20:25] <Conqueror> As far as we are concerned you are all scum and I wish you would all kill each other.
[20:25] <capth> I don't know. Why does town HATE to do things that benefits it's wincon?
[20:26] <Serena> How is France capturing a providence from England not obviously benefiting your wincon?
[20:26] <Serena> I TOLD YOU EXACTLY WHY IT'S GOOD FOR YOU
[20:26] <Conqueror> Wait, what?
[20:26] <Conqueror> I thought that by your plan England took a province back?
[20:26] <Serena> Yes 1
[20:26] <Serena> But France would have a build
[20:27] <Serena> England would still be at -2 and France would have a build
[20:27] <Serena> I am totally convinced this is a better situation for you
[20:27] <Conqueror> England would still be at -2 <-- How does that work?
[20:27] <Serena> -Bel, -Morrocco
[20:28] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> Townies are weird
[20:28] <Conqueror> Actually, Dormio, why didn't we let France get a build? >_>
[20:28] <Conqueror> We could have used one of his fleets.
[20:28] <capth> Which is why I kill indiscriminantly
[20:28] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> capth confirmed as SK
[20:28] <Serena> >__>
[20:28] <capth> I mean, why kill people just because they're scum?
[20:28] * Conqueror gags capth
[20:28] <capth> That's racist
[20:29] <Serena> I even told you why it was good. @_@
[20:29] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> ##Requiem capth
[20:29] <Conqueror> HURR DORMIO
[20:29] <Conqueror> I completely blame Dormio.
[20:29] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> what
[20:29] <Serena> I am fine with this
[20:29] <Conqueror> WE COULD BE SCALING THE CLIFFS OF DOVER
[20:29] <Serena> So uh, will you take Bel next turn? >__>
[20:30] <Serena> France rather
[20:30] <Conqueror> Depends on what England does.
[20:30] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> our armies will be convoyed into the middle of germany, because lols
[20:30] <Serena> Eh, I'll talk to him. I think I could convince him to let you have it
[20:30] <Conqueror> o_O
[20:30] <Conqueror> Uh, okay.
[20:31] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> ㅇ_ㅇ
[20:31] <Serena> Why are you shocked? He already gave it to you last turn.
[20:31] <capth> It worked on Italy, I'm sure it will work on Germany!
[20:31] <Serena> AND YOU JERKS DIDN'T TAKE IT
[20:31] * Conqueror points fingers at Kasu and Dormio
[20:32] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> ;_;
[20:32] <Serena>
[20:32] * Dormizou_Futatsuiwa points fingers at PX
[20:32] <Serena> He did what he said he would do. >__>
[20:32] <Conqueror> But I've already washed my hands of this game after what happend earlier, so eh.
[20:33] <Hero999>
[20:33] <Serena> It's not my fault you're scum
[20:33] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> but we're the only town
[20:33] <Conqueror> The mod never told us that it was an unconfirmed masonry.
[20:34] <Serena> If you were town you would be helping your buddies grow and you would not be supporting people that want to kill you.
[20:34] <capth> @whatis townies
[20:34] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> but you're not our buddies
[20:34] <capth> @whatis town
[20:34] -Keine-tan- Error: No factoid matches that key.
[20:34] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> we are the only town
[20:34] -Keine-tan- Error: No factoid matches that key.
[20:34] <Conqueror> I died of a heart attack back around turn 2.
[20:34] <capth> @learn LOGIC is Townies are like Tiggers, because I'm the only one.
[20:34] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> and townies are weird
[20:34] <@Keine-tan> capth: Okay! ^_^
[20:34] <Serena> I'm not calling myself your buddies
[20:35] <Serena> I'm calling France your buddy
[20:35] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> [10:32] <Conqueror> I died of a heart attack back around turn 2. | pffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[20:35] <Hero999> HHAHAHAHA
[20:36] <Hero999> man
[20:36] <Hero999> Can't I like...take over a spot in every country
[20:36] <Hero999> mass rebellions!
[20:36] <capth> Turn 2, you bounced off of yourself
[20:37] <capth> Hero - only if you want to be at war with every country in the world at the same time.
[20:37] <Conqueror> Err, season 2
[20:37] <capth> Like France, but with less allies
[20:37] <Hero999> that would be interesting
[20:37] <Conqueror> Cycle 2
[20:37] <Hero999> besides the fact that I'd die immediately
[20:37] <capth> That would last 10 seconds
[20:37] <Dormizou_Futatsuiwa> every country immediately takes that supply center that spawned in their base
[20:38] <Hero999> exactly
[20:38] <Conqueror> Schezo has a cute new avatar
[20:39] <capth> Obviously trying to avoid a lynch.
[20:39] <capth> Scum.
[20:39] <capth> ##Vote: Schezo
[20:40] == Dormizou_Futatsuiwa has changed nick to Astrotard_Jones
[20:40] <Conqueror> Schezo was scum since forever. See how he buddied up to Kitten4U and now he's just sheeping her?
[20:40] <capth> Sheeping?
[20:41] <Conqueror> Following her orders and opinions without question.
[20:41] == Astrotard_Jones has changed nick to Dormiji_Inubashiri
[20:42] <capth> Yep.
[20:42] <Serena> Hey, my opinions are good
[20:43] <Serena> I mean, if you had sheeped me FRANCE WOULD BE BIGGER RIGHT NOW.
[20:44] <capth> Oh, you're talking about Spain
[20:44] <capth> *to
[20:44] <Conqueror> I'm already dead, remember? Dormio is calling the shots now.
[20:45] <capth> Using LOGIC!
[20:45] <Serena> You can at least tell him "hey, that actually looks decent!"
[20:45] <Serena> I suspect he'd trust your opinion more than mine
[20:45] <Serena> SO NO EXCUSES!
[20:45] <Conqueror> "More" is a relative term that fades in importance after you look at what happened earlier in the game.
[20:46] <Serena> Ahahaha
[20:46] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> :V:V
[20:47] <Aria> Sheeping is townie!
[20:47] <Hero999> ?
[20:47] <Aria> Kitten am I being townie by sheeping you?
[20:48] <Serena> Totally.
[20:48] <capth> No.
[20:48] <capth> Obvscum.
[20:48] <capth> Lynch.
[20:48] <Aria> Yaay~
[20:48] <Aria> I’m unlynchable, you guys are all too far
[20:48] <Serena> Hey you're sort of sheeping me too, be quiet.
[20:48] <Conqueror> Mmm, lambchop is tasty.
[20:49] <Serena> It figures that despite as much of the world as I control the one country I needed last turn wouldn't sheep me.
[20:50] <capth> France?
[20:50] <Serena> Yes
[20:50] <Serena> FRANCE
[20:50] <capth> Why do you need France?
[20:50] <Serena> I needed France to take Bel so Germany wouldn't grow
[20:50] <capth> So what if Germany grows a bit?
[20:51] <capth> You still have to bash through Poland
[20:51] <Serena> >__>
[20:51] <Serena> Germany growing makes that harder
[20:52] <capth> Incidentally, have you talked to Dan at all?
[20:52] <Serena> No.
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[20:57] <capth> Hi Italy
[20:58] <capth> Thoughts on France?
[20:58] <LLD> Hi Turkey, Kiss my Ass ^-^
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[20:58] <capth> Nah, but I will sit on your thronw
[20:58] <capth> *throne
[20:59] <LLD> Have fun ridding on Shadoweh/Kittens coattails
[20:59] <LLD> because if this was a real diplo game
[20:59] <LLD> where only one person could win
[20:59] <LLD> and not this allied victory shit
[21:00] <LLD> I'd enjoy watching you go down in flames
[21:00] <LLD>
[21:00] <capth> Me too!
[21:00] <capth> Can I take one of them with me?
[21:00] <Aria> Dear Italy, you are delicious, please provide us with more cafe mocha
[21:00] == LLD has changed nick to Kanade
[21:01] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> wait
[21:01] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> how many people are you allowed to have in your allied victory, anyway?
[21:02] <Kanade> Oh
[21:02] <Kanade> all 4 of them
[21:02] <Kanade> didn't you hear?
[21:02] <Serena>
[21:02] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> what
[21:02] <Kanade> It's the biggest shit
[21:02] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I thought it was limited to 2
[21:02] <Kanade> I hope it is
[21:02] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> what is that bullcrap
[21:02] <Kanade> so then I can watch
[21:02] <Kanade> Capt.H get the fuck backstabbed out of him
[21:02] <capth> I thought you could have everyone, but it's called a draw rather than a victory
[21:02] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I thought it was for stalemates between 2 players only
[21:02] <Aria> Why are you asking us?
[21:02] <Conqueror> Dormio, go bother Dolls
[21:03] <Aria> The mod of the game is in the thread, go ask there if you want to know about allied victories
[21:03] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but dorusu isn't here
[21:03] <Conqueror> Kill him in DotS until he acquiesieces.
[21:03] <Conqueror> ffff spelling
[21:03] <Serena> Go post in the thread for when he is here
[21:03] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> The victory condition for this map is for a country to own 33 supply centers. All active players can agree on a draw if they think this condition can not be achieved.]
[21:03] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> All active players
[21:03] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[21:03] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> welp
[21:03] <Serena>
[21:03] <Kanade> ^ told you
[21:03] <Kanade> this is the worst game
[21:03] <Serena> This map definitely favors the east. I don't think it's very balanced
[21:03] <Kanade> I've ever seen played
[21:03] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> what the hell is with gib
[21:04] <Conqueror> Dormio, can we kill France and go to glory then?
[21:04] <Conqueror> Welp
[21:04] <Kanade> there's literally
[21:04] <Kanade> NO REASON
[21:04] <Kanade> NO REASON
[21:04] <Kanade> to backstab or fight a large alliance
[21:04] <Kanade> I mean
[21:04] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> so in this thing
[21:04] <capth> I don't think it favors the east
[21:04] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> basically
[21:04] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> one big block
[21:04] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> will win every time
[21:04] <Kanade> there's no reason to risk
[21:04] <capth> I think it only looks like that because all 4 eatsern players have an alliance
[21:04] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> there might not be a straight winner
[21:04] <Conqueror> Well, it certainly doesn't favor England/Spain because of Gib
[21:04] <Kanade> going against the block
[21:04] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but there are losers
[21:05] <Kanade> This would not happen
[21:05] <Kanade> if Russia were forced to fight
[21:05] <Kanade> but no
[21:05] <Serena> Russia is my BFF. <3
[21:05] <Kanade> instead he gets to sit back and basically rely on Kitten
[21:05] == Chaore has changed nick to WetWashedWabbit
[21:05] <Kanade> It's the biggest bullshit I have ever seen
[21:05] <Serena> Indeed. No one can touch him as long as I live and dont' fight him
[21:06] <capth> Cept England
[21:06] <Kanade> Basically
[21:06] <Serena> Naw, he could hold Scandinavia
[21:06] <capth> Yeah, Like Italy!
[21:06] <capth>
[21:07] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> hurr allied victories
[21:07] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> so that's what screwed me over, the assumption that a win was limited to 1 or 2 people
[21:07] <Kanade> here, let me describe why this is horrible
[21:07] <Kanade> there is
[21:07] <Kanade> NO REASON
[21:07] <Kanade> for anyone to fight
[21:07] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> exactly
[21:07] <Kanade> because
[21:07] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I was assuming that win was limited to 1 or 2
[21:07] <Kanade> they're happy with the allied victory
[21:07] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but no
[21:07] <Kanade> they're happy with the allied victory
[21:07] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but no
[21:07] <Kanade> no reason to backstab
[21:07] <capth> Sure there is!
[21:07] <Kanade> no reason to
[21:07] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> there is no reason for them to stab each other
[21:08] <Kanade> EXACTLY
[21:08] <capth> You can't tke over the world if there's peace
[21:08] <Serena> To be fair, there is
[21:08] <Kanade> But you don't want peace
[21:08] <Serena> The same reason I backstabbed Austria and France last game
[21:08] <Kanade> you just want 4 people
[21:08] <Serena> But I'm not going for the solo victory this game, so I'm not going to
[21:08] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> ^
[21:08] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> exactly what I'm saying
[21:08] <Serena> I want to win with all my friends. <^_^>
[21:08] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> once you get a big block
[21:08] <capth> K
[21:08] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> there's no reason to want to kill each other
[21:08] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> at all
[21:09] <capth> Excapt you don't win. You just tie.
[21:09] <capth> But otherwise, that is completely correct!
[21:09] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but
[21:09] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> you force the other half of the game to lose
[21:09] <Aria> <^_^>
[21:09] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> so yeah
[21:09] <capth> The point of this game is pretty much to gang up on people you don't like
[21:09] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> this assumption that the draw was limited to the 2 people
[21:09] <Aria> I don’t care if I win as long as Dormio loses
[21:09] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> screwed me over
[21:09] <Kanade> Hey Dormio
[21:09] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I swear it used to say 2 people
[21:09] <Kanade> wanna ragequit~? ^-^
[21:09] <Kanade> (I'm kidding)
[21:10] <Dormiji_Inubashiri>
[21:10] <capth> DO IT ITALY!
[21:10] <capth> I KNO
[21:10] <Kanade> (But seriously this is fucked up)
[21:10] <Serena> Sure, I'm fine with just devouring you.
[21:10] <capth> *I KNOW YOU CAN RAGE QUIT BETTER THAN ANYONE!
[21:10] <capth> I BELIEVE IN YOU
[21:10] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> my ragequits are the best ragequits
[21:10] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> fortunately
[21:10] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I have not ragequit anything
[21:10] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> in a LONG time
[21:10] <Kanade> I refuse to ragequit
[21:11] <capth> K
[21:11] <Kanade> but I'm gonna refuse
[21:11] <Kanade> to join any fucking diplo game
[21:11] <capth> K
[21:11] <Kanade> that allows allied victory
[21:11] <Hero999>
[21:11] <Kanade> and I think everyone should follow this policy
[21:11] <Hero999> ...ohdear
[21:11] <Hero999> 4 v4
[21:11] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I think that limiting it to a tie between 2 people
[21:11] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> would be fine
[21:11] <Kanade> eh yeah
[21:11] <Kanade> that's fune
[21:11] <capth> Maybe you'll get lucky and the mod will give out Idiot Diety to the winner again
[21:11] <Kanade> because then there's still incentive
[21:11] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> because 1v1 with half the world
[21:11] <Serena> Two or three is fine depending on the size
[21:11] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> gets kinda boring
[21:11] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but all active players
[21:11] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> yeahhhhhhhh
[21:11] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> no
[21:12] <capth> You could always ally with France
[21:12] <capth> He seems harmless
[21:14] <Conqueror> Dormio, are you planning on ragequitting?
[21:14] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I never ragequit
[21:14] <Conqueror> I can assist, having some experience in this line of action.
[21:14] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I'll only ragequit if it's something really, really bad
[21:15] <Conqueror> Fine then. Can we just rambo and kill everyone then?
[21:15] <Conqueror> It'll be better than waiting for the hammer to fall.
[21:17] <capth> Later
[21:18] <Conqueror> I've thrown down the gauntlet, waiting on DollS now.
[21:19] <capth> Gauntlet?
[21:19] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> in thread
[21:20] <capth> K night.
[21:21] * Keine-tan waves cheerily at capth
[21:21] <@Keine-tan> Night! ^_^V




[16:50] <capth> Hello. I think we need to discuss our Diplomacy moves
[16:50] <Shadoweh> Is it that time already?
[16:50] <capth> Yep.
[16:50] <Shadoweh> Lemme pull up the map
[16:52] <Shadoweh> You want to swap by Fall obviously.
[16:52] <capth> It's not urgent At the moment
[16:52] <capth> Italy is a bit too much of a threat to be doing anything that might be tactically disadvantageous
[16:53] <Shadoweh> Yeah. I am utterly annoyed she cut me like that
[16:53] <capth> ?
[16:54] <Shadoweh> My movements got cut by Italy’s move in the sea
[16:54] <capth> Right.
[16:58] <capth> Anyway, I think we should talk to France about playing aggressive. That should help.
[17:00] <Shadoweh> Kitten is on that actually
[17:00] <Shadoweh> She’s in communications with him directly now. Talk to her about what moves you want him to make
[17:01] <capth> Right now, via chat?
[17:17] <Shadoweh> Well she’s here now
[17:17] <Shadoweh> She’s talking to France via P)M’a
[17:17] <Shadoweh> PM’s
[17:17] <capth> We're talking.




[17:01] <capth> Hi Kitten! Shadoweh said to talk to you about France.
[17:02] <capth> I was thinking it would be swell if France took over Switzerland this year.
[17:04] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[17:04] <Kitten4u> I'm certainly trying!
[17:04] <capth> K
[17:05] <Kitten4u> Regarding other things, they can actually take Hungary if they tried, so I think I'd rather use Serbia to support it rather than take Croatia
[17:05] <capth> Acutally, already have plans :/
[17:05] <Kitten4u> Just use Adr to take Venice instead
[17:06] <Kitten4u> We really can't let Hungary fall
[17:06] <capth> Already doing that too
[17:06] <capth> I'm preparing to move into Bosnia
[17:06] <capth> So that I can take Croatia in the fall
[17:07] <Kitten4u> Not really necissary
[17:07] <Kitten4u> Just take Venice in the spring, then you can use the army in Venice to take Croatia in the fall. Rather, support the move
[17:07] <capth> I don't think I'
[17:07] <Kitten4u> Give me a sec, France just PMed him
[17:07] <Kitten4u> Me rather
[17:07] <capth> I'll be able to take Venice in the Spring
[17:08] <capth> France looks very prepared to defend it.
[17:08] <capth> France has more units it can stuff in Venice than I do, which means it could easily block me.
[17:10] <Kitten4u> I'm assuming you mean Italy there
[17:10] <Kitten4u> LLD will probably attack Rome
[17:10] <capth> I always get France and Italy confused
[17:10] <Kitten4u> She will definitely not be expecting France to attack her if I can get him to go along with me
[17:10] <capth> Even if LLDDD attacks Rome, I don't have the man power to take Venice
[17:10] <Kitten4u> Yes you do
[17:10] <Kitten4u> It's extremely likely that they will attack Hungary
[17:10] <capth> I have 1 tank, and 1 ship
[17:10] <Kitten4u> It is exceptionally important that we hold Hungary
[17:11] <Kitten4u> Yes, and she has one plane because I'm pretty sure she will be attacking Hungary
[17:11] <Kitten4u> This is why I need your support.
[17:11] <Kitten4u> Losing Hungary is the worst thing that can happen right now
[17:12] <Kitten4u> I would not be able to recapture it
[17:12] <Kitten4u> This is what I'm proposing right now:
[17:12] <Kitten4u> You use Serbia to support Hungary. You use the tank to move into Ven and use Adr to support
[17:12] <Kitten4u> From there, I'll use Hungary to support Adr-Cro
[17:13] <Kitten4u> Ven can support Adr-Cro too
[17:13] <Kitten4u> And then I think you should convoy over to Apu so you can hold Venice
[17:14] <capth> Adr-Cro is...
[17:14] <capth> Wait, you want me to invade Croatia instead of Venice?
[17:14] <Kitten4u> It still gets both and Italy will be a non-issue after that
[17:14] <Kitten4u> No, do both
[17:14] <Kitten4u> Take Venice first
[17:14] <Kitten4u> Then take Croatia in the fall since you can use the army in Venice to support the move
[17:15] <capth> Oh, yeah.
[17:15] <capth> It sounded like you were suggesting I invade Cro in the Spring.
[17:15] <Kitten4u> No. I need Serbia to help me hold Hungary.
[17:16] <Kitten4u> There's a high enough chance that I think they'll attack it that I don't really want to risk it
[17:16] <Kitten4u> In fact, I'm willing to go as far as to say it's the best thing they can do right now
[17:17] <capth> I would like to ask your moves, since you definitely have the units to defend Hungary, but I assume you are using northern units for a different purpose
[17:18] <Kitten4u> I actually do not have the units to defend it!
[17:18] <Kitten4u> Podolia can be poked
[17:18] <capth> Ah.
[17:19] <Kitten4u> Kra-Podolia would cut the support, so yeah
[17:19] <capth> Do you want to crush Dan right now, or the block as a whole?
[17:19] <Kitten4u> I'm not sure how these things are mutually exclusive?
[17:20] <Kitten4u> Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying
[17:20] <capth> Well, I'm looking at the map, and I'm thinking about Slo.
[17:21] <capth> I came to the conclusion that if they attacked from Slo, you would not be able to fend it off anyway though, so Invading Slo this turn might be completely unwise anyway
[17:21] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I'm not willing to bet on which unit they will attack with
[17:21] <capth> See, if there's too much pressure, I think the best response may be aggression, but probably not in this case.
[17:22] <Kitten4u> You can do both
[17:22] <Kitten4u> I'm suggesting you take Venice
[17:23] <capth> I am taking Venice, regardless.
[17:23] <capth> I'm just not confident I will be able to.
[17:23] <capth> Germany's best move is to take Hungary.
[17:23] <capth> Italy's best move is to stop me from taking Venice.
[17:23] <capth> And move that wing to the front.
[17:24] <Kitten4u> Isn't it fun how their best moves are contradictory?
[17:24] <Kitten4u> Think of LLD's personality. Do you think she will attack or defend?
[17:24] <capth> Not really. Happens all the time in an alliance. You just go with the common good because overall it is better.
[17:25] <capth> For everyone, even if you have to sacrifice some immediate gratification.
[17:25] <capth> LLD leaves herself very open. It's a little unpredictable, but not bad for me.
[17:26] <capth> As long as France has Switzerland, than no matter what happens on our side the year won't be a waster.
[17:26] <capth> *waste
[17:26] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[17:26] <Kitten4u> I'm working on it!
[17:31] <capth> Any chance of breaking through Lit?
[17:32] <Kitten4u> Possibly
[17:32] <Kitten4u> More WIFOM.
[17:33] <Kitten4u> I'm certainly doing what I can there
[17:34] <capth> Also, one minor detail.
[17:34] <capth> If you aren't using that navy in the West Black Sea, mind placing it in Sev?
[17:35] <capth> I'm not too comfterble with Idle units in that sea.
[17:35] <Kitten4u> I suppose I could. I was mostly just using it for emergency support
[17:35] <capth> If you still need it for emergency support, then keep it.
[17:36] <Kitten4u> "need" isn't the word I'd use
[17:36] <Kitten4u> I just like to be prepared for ~*~shenanigans~*~
[17:36] <capth> Likewise, I'm always a little paranoid about ~*~shenanigans~*~
[17:36] <Kitten4u> Mostly because I realize it is impossible for me to predict everything that could happen
[17:37] <Kitten4u> So yeah, if it really bothers you I can move it back. I just like having it there in case they manage to find some way to break through that I just don't see
[17:38] <capth> K
[17:38] <Kitten4u> I just haven't really been thinking about it because I have no reason to attack you.
[17:39] <Kitten4u> So do you want me to move it back?
[17:39] <capth> It would be nice.
[17:39] <Kitten4u> Alright
[17:39] <capth> You know, there's a very specific reason I've been keeping by Navy in Georgia instead of Ankara
[17:40] <capth> Well, thanks!
[17:40] <capth> It's time for dinner, so I'll see you later!



[13:26] <capth> Hey Shadoweh. I need to know your diplomacy plans in regards to me tonight because I have to submit my orders today.
[13:27] <Shadoweh> Oh I was going to invade all your provinces so like totally move out of them
[13:28] <Shadoweh> What moves did you work out for yourself with France and Kitten?
[13:28] <capth> For some reason Kitten wants me to defend Hungary. But the Roman situation is up in there air.
[13:29] <capth> Basically, I just need to know your plans concerning Rome.
[13:29] <Shadoweh> She thinks they’re going to try taking it. Yeah, my fleet on his own won’t go far without support. Gimme a sec
[13:33] <Shadoweh> For this turn it’s just best if it holds, I think, and you support it. Italy will probably try to take it back.
[13:35] <Shadoweh> Preferably with Naples unless you have another use for that tank
[13:36] <capth> Sorry, robot unicorns
[13:36] <capth> I'll support Rome
[13:39] <Shadoweh> XD I forgive you for unicorns
[13:39] <Shadoweh> Nothing else should get in your way. Are you staying in the Ionian?
[13:39] <capth> Yep
[13:41] <Shadoweh> Okidays. I don’t think you need anything else then? >.>b
[13:41] <capth> k
[13:43] <Shadoweh> Excellente

[13:45] <Kitten4u> I recently had another thought that may interest you
[13:45] <capth> k
[13:46] <Kitten4u> I still need your support in Hungary and it's annoying that it makes your tank in Bulgaria somewhat useless
[13:46] <Kitten4u> Have you considered moving it to Greece?
[13:46] <capth> yes
[13:46] <capth> Yes I have
[13:46] <Kitten4u> I think it would be good there
[13:46] <Kitten4u> Then you could take Croatia with a tank in the fall instead of the fleet in Adr
[13:47] <capth> I'm not following
[13:47] <capth> I can convoy into Cro, yes, but then I lose fleet support
[13:47] <Kitten4u> Basically, going with the current plan:
[13:47] <Kitten4u> Nap supports Rome to prevent it from being taken
[13:47] <Kitten4u> Apu goes to Ven with Adr supporting
[13:48] <Kitten4u> Then you would have a tank in Ven that could support Greece-Croatia
[13:48] <Kitten4u> It's basically the same as before, but instead of Adr-Cro it's Gre-Cro
[13:48] <capth> I do not believe I can convoy into occupied territory
[13:48] <Kitten4u> You can
[13:48] <capth> I'll double check the rules
[13:49] <Kitten4u> I did it last game.
[13:49] <Kitten4u> Also, in class. Expect delayed responses
[13:49] <capth> K
[13:59] <Kitten4u> But yeah, Gre-Cro is a valid move. Convoying is treated the same as moving a unit
[14:00] <Kitten4u> So if she had a unit there and you had no support you would bounce, but if you have support you will take it
[14:00] <capth> K
[14:01] <Kitten4u> I think that's all the recent thoughts I've had
[14:06] <capth> How do the Kasu discussions go.
[14:06] <Kitten4u> Well, I think he wants to work with me, but it's hard to tell.
[14:07] <capth> Frankly, I don't care whether he's on our side or not, as long as he takes Switzerland. Have you convinced him that he wants swiss cheese?
[14:07] <Kitten4u> If he is not on our side he will not take Swi
[14:07] <Kitten4u> He is really afraid of Italy/Germany/Spain for some reason. >__>
[14:07] <capth> You
[14:08] <capth> *You're thinking too logically
[14:08] <capth> If he's not on our side, it means he's paranoid and confused.
[14:08] <capth> It doesn't mean he's with Italy and Germany
[14:08] <Kitten4u> Neither Italy or Germany is even capable of attacking him
[14:09] <Kitten4u> The issue is he thinks they are capable of doing so for some reason
[14:09] <Kitten4u> I have walled him with why they can't like you woudln't believe.
[14:09] <capth> Too much logic.
[14:09] <Kitten4u> So I'm telling him he just needs to grow
[14:09] <capth> "Attack Switzerland or we will murder your capital"
[14:10] <Kitten4u> That is not the way to go with Kasu. At least not with me. >__>
[14:10] <capth> K.
[14:10] <Kitten4u> If it was someone else saying it itmight work, but uh, you did see last game right?
[14:10] <capth> 100% loyalty to you?
[14:10] <Kitten4u> And then I murdered him
[14:11] <Kitten4u> I don't think it'll be enough for me to threaten death. I get the feeling he thinks it's coming anyway
[14:11] <capth> O.K.~
[14:13] <capth> Want me to ask him to invade Switzerland?
[14:15] <Kitten4u> Well, I'm not really sure what more you could say that I haven't
[14:15] <Kitten4u> I counted the amount of words in my walls for the lulz. I think if you combined them all it totaled at just over 2000 words.
[14:15] <capth> I could say it, instead of you.
[14:15] <Kitten4u> I have been walling startegy and laying on the AtE like you wouldn't believe
[14:15] <capth> Since I haven't had the opportunity to backstab him before.
[14:16] <Kitten4u> Considering I've already been using proxies I'm not sure how effective it would be
[14:16] <Kitten4u> You can if you want, I don't think it'll hurt anything
[14:16] <capth> It's not nice using Shadoweh as a puppet ;_;
[14:17] <capth> Unless you mean Schezo or PX or Conq
[14:17] <Kitten4u> I used Shadoweh, PX and attempted to use Dormio and Conq, but failed.
[14:17] <Kitten4u> This was last turn when I wanted him to take Bel and prevent PX from getting screwed over
[14:17] <capth> K
[14:18] <capth> That might have been too many people telling him.
[14:18] <capth> I would get a little bit paranoid if 3 different players all told me what moves I should make.
[14:18] <Kitten4u> This turn I think Conq has realized that I really am trying to help them because it helps me, so I think he's going to encourage him to go along with it this time. >x>
[14:18] <Kitten4u> If not I will send him a PM of nothing but FRANCE
[14:19] <capth> If France doesn't take Switzerland, I'll just send him a declaration of war
[14:19] <Kitten4u> Haha
[14:19] <Kitten4u> brb
[14:31] <capth> Can you at least get Spain to take down Mon?
[14:31] <Kitten4u> I'm trying to get France to recapture Mon
[14:32] <Kitten4u> I suppose I can ask Spain if they're willing to do so if France isn't
[14:32] <capth> France isn't positioned right.
[14:32] <capth> It needs Spnish support to attack
[14:32] <Kitten4u> I told France Mar-Swi, Auv-Mar
[14:32] <Kitten4u> So, no he doesn't, but it would help
[14:33] <capth> Mar-Swi? This turn?
[14:33] <Kitten4u> Yes
[14:33] <capth> You'll think France will just give up on Swi like that?
[14:33] <Kitten4u> I'm asking France to take Swi now
[14:33] <capth> I mean, she did it for Naples, but France giving up Swi now would be suicidal
[14:34] <Kitten4u> France doesn't own Swi
[14:34] <Kitten4u> I'm asking him to take it
[14:34] <capth> *Italy
[14:34] <Kitten4u> From Swi, he could take Mon easy
[14:34] <capth> Italy giving up Swi now would be suicidal
[14:34] <Kitten4u> But he can't really recapture it
[14:34] <capth> Still, either me or Kasu will succeed
[14:34] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[14:35] <Kitten4u> Because if they try to kick him he retreats to Germany and I don't think Dorian will go along with that
[14:35] <capth> Incidentally, I'm not sure I can both take Cro and defend Venice.
[14:36] <Kitten4u> Convoy your new tank to Apu
[14:36] <Kitten4u> If you take Venice you can use the new tank to support it
[14:36] <capth> Right now <_<
[14:36] <Kitten4u> Use Adr
[14:36] <Kitten4u> Italy only has one unit that can defend if she intends to attack
[14:37] <capth> So, should I convoy to Apu or directly?
[14:38] <capth> You know, lets my DollS life fun.
[14:38] <capth> *make
[14:38] <Kitten4u> Well, I suppose it technically doesn't matter
[14:38] <Kitten4u> If you convoy to Venice then you use Apu to support the move. If you convoy to Apu you use Adr to support the move
[14:38] <capth> K
[14:38] <Kitten4u> So up to you really. It's functionally the same



[18:12] <capth> Hey Dormio
[18:12] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> ?
[18:12] <capth> Conq sent me a later about something I can't refuse
[18:12] <capth> [15:27] <Keine-tan> Sent 1 hour and 45 minutes ago: <Conqueror> Offer you can't refuse, etc. Message Spain.
[18:13] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> uhhh
[18:13] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I'm not actually sure, ask conq
[18:13] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I've been asleep
[18:13] <capth> I've been trying. He doesn't seem to exist at the moment.
[18:13] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> conq is probably asleep at this hour
[18:14] <capth> 6 in the afternoon
[18:14] <capth> And 1 in the afternoon before that
[18:14] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> conq is nocturnal ^^;
[18:14] <capth> *3
[18:14] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but I dunno
[18:14] <capth> K
[18:14] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> his connection is rather unstable right now
[18:14] <capth> K
[18:15] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> he hasn't told me about anything to do with turkey yet
[18:15] <capth> K
[18:15] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> but we haven't discussed the game too much because he has a flood to deal with and I'm sick
[18:15] <capth> Get well soon!
[18:15] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I want to!
[18:15] <Dormiji_Inubashiri> I have midsemester chem test this week!



[10:46] <capth> [15:27] <Keine-tan> Sent 1 hour and 45 minutes ago: <Conqueror> Offer you can't refuse, etc. Message Spain.
[10:47] <Conqueror> Oh hey
[10:47] <capth> Hi
[10:47] <Conqueror> I actually don't remember why I sent that. >_>
[10:47] <Conqueror> But it was in mind with future cooperation with Turkey
[10:47] <capth> So you aren't offering me anything
[10:47] <capth> ?
[10:47] <Conqueror> First, a question though
[10:47] <Conqueror> Are you deadset on working with and winning with Kitten?
[10:48] <capth> Nope
[10:48] <Conqueror> Hmm, okay.
[10:48] <Conqueror> We don't have anything concrete right now as is.
[10:48] <Conqueror> But now that I know that, I can talk to Dormio.
[10:48] <capth> K
[10:48] <Conqueror> Suffice to say that things will be getting messy in the next few turns.
[10:48] <capth> However,
[10:48] <capth> I don't like messy
[10:49] <Conqueror>
[10:49] <Conqueror> I can imagine.
[10:49] <Conqueror> The messy is mostly in the West though
[10:49] <capth> Messy means a 2 front war with Kitten and Shadoweh
[10:49] <Conqueror> It shouldn't come down to that, I think.
[10:49] <capth> K
[10:49] <Conqueror> So am I correct in that your one condition is that
[10:49] <Conqueror> You do not want to fight a two front war?
[10:50] <Conqueror> Or at least, a major condition
[10:50] <capth> That's pretty important to me, yes.
[10:50] <Conqueror> Okay, I understand then.
[10:50] <Conqueror> That clears things up a bit.
[10:50] <Conqueror> It'll be tricky, but I'll see what I can cook up.
[10:50] <capth> I would also prefer to be betrayed rather than be the betrayer, but that's not so important
[10:50] <Conqueror> Really?
[10:50] <Conqueror> D:
[10:50] <capth> Cause if I'm betrayed, I have no moral coniptions about anything
[10:51] <capth> I can just take one of them down and not think about it
[10:51] <Conqueror> Pfft
[10:51] <Conqueror> I guess you could think of it that way.
[10:51] <capth> What's the deal with Russia?
[10:52] <Conqueror> Russia?
[10:52] <Conqueror> What about Russia?
[10:52] <capth> I guess he's far away from you, but he's a little difficult to read.
[10:52] <Conqueror> We talked to him once at the beginning of the game, to call him scum.
[10:53] <capth> Well, yeah, he IS scum
[10:53] <Conqueror> We haven't been in contact with him since.
[10:53] <Conqueror> Since we're on the opposite sides of the board.
[10:53] <capth> First move he made all game was to try to trick me out of Geo while getting me to start a war with Ukraine
[10:53] <Conqueror> Oh?
[10:53] <Conqueror> Strange; all this time I thought he was just a Kitten extension
[10:53] <Conqueror> Although I suppose that was before he was brought under control.
[10:54] <capth> I don't know what he is.
[10:54] <capth> I know he's enemies with Poland though
[10:55] <capth> He's Schezo, simple as that.
[10:56] <Conqueror> Hmm, well yes, him and Poland are at each other's throats.
[10:56] <Conqueror> I don't really know about Schezo-anyone else relations though. I haven't had the impression he's been reaching out to other countries far from him.
[10:56] <Conqueror> Maybe Germany? But I don't really know Germany's relations that well
[10:57] <capth> I know Germany's relations pretty well.
[10:57] <capth> Tells Schezo it's my fault he can't be allies, tells me it's Schezo's fault.
[10:57] <Conqueror> Wait what.
[10:57] <Conqueror> Germany does?
[10:58] <capth> Yep
[10:58] <Conqueror> O_O
[10:58] <Conqueror> Oh right, Schezo reports all communications.
[10:58] <Conqueror> Haha
[10:58] <Conqueror> Silly Germany
[10:59] <capth> Actually,
[10:59] <capth> It's more like Schezo tells me to stop fighting Italy so that he can get along with Germany better
[10:59] <Conqueror> :?
[10:59] <Conqueror> What.
[10:59] <Conqueror> Well it's common knowledge that Germany and Italy are two birds of the same feather.
[11:00] <Conqueror> But I don't really follow the logic of Schezo's request.
[11:00] <capth> "Germany and Italy are like twins"
[11:00] <Conqueror> Mason pair
[11:00] <capth> "Stop fighting Italy, it's maing it hard to make an alliance with Germany"
[11:01] <Conqueror> Pffft
[11:01] <Conqueror> Russia, alliance with Germany?
[11:01] <Conqueror> I haven't seen anything like that all game.
[11:02] <capth> Anyway, tell me about England
[11:02] <Conqueror> Oh?
[11:02] <Conqueror> England is a thing.
[11:02] <capth> That's next to you
[11:02] <Conqueror> Very much so.
[11:02] <Conqueror> What about England?
[11:03] <capth> Nothing in particular, just where does he stand.
[11:03] <capth> On everything
[11:03] <Conqueror> Oh
[11:03] <capth> He strikes me as a lone wolf
[11:03] <Conqueror> I'm not quite sure of England's intentions, to be honest. >_>
[11:03] <Conqueror> For one, I know he's working with Kitten4U and the rest of you.
[11:03] <Conqueror> But Kitten has also been pushing for him to form an alliance with France.
[11:04] <Conqueror> It's kind of funny.
[11:04] <Conqueror> I'm not sure why, but eh.
[11:04] <capth> "The mountain is high, and the emperor is far away"
[11:04] <capth> Old Chinese proverb
[11:04] <capth> Seems to apply to PX
[11:05] <Conqueror> Ahaha, yes, I think that's quite apt.
[11:06] <capth> Anyway, where do you stand?
[11:06] <capth> I mean, in concerns to France and England.
[11:07] <capth> I know everyone is "allied" to Ukraine over there, but eachother is a different matter
[11:07] <Conqueror> Eh?
[11:07] <Conqueror> Who's allied to Ukraine?
[11:08] <capth> France, England, I thought you were at least de facto
[11:08] <Conqueror> :<
[11:08] <capth> ?
[11:08] <Conqueror> Ehhhhhhhhh
[11:08] <Conqueror> Not really. >_>
[11:08] <Conqueror> We just like talking to her.
[11:08] <Conqueror> But we're not allied in any sense of the word.
[11:08] <capth> K
[11:09] <Conqueror> France I dunno. One day he seemed to not want to talk to Ukraine. The next he's taking orders from her?
[11:09] <Conqueror> Kinda freaky.
[11:09] <Conqueror> And England you know about already.
[11:09] <capth> Not really
[11:09] <capth> It's like Schezo
[11:09] <capth> You never know for sure
[11:09] <Conqueror> Well, in the sense that he's in the Kitten alliance and he takes orders.
[11:09] <Conqueror> I don't know that much about England
[11:09] <capth> With France it's the other way around
[11:10] <capth> he's for the kittens one day
[11:10] <Conqueror> Ever since we had that spat in the beginning of the game and we ran him into Kitten's arms. ;_;
[11:10] <capth> Stops taking orders and turns to Keine the next
[11:10] <Conqueror> I honestly have no idea what France's motives are.
[11:10] <capth> Only Keine know's Frances motives
[11:10] <Conqueror> Indeed
[11:11] <capth> So, who are you fighting right now?
[11:11] <capth> Who are you at war with?
[11:12] <Conqueror> Well, wouldn't everybody want to know?
[11:12] <capth> Yep!
[11:12] <Conqueror> But it's clear we're involved in the South
[11:12] <capth> Alright
[11:12] <Conqueror> Due to the nature of what I'm doing, I don't want too much info leaking out about what I'm doing. >_>;
[11:13] <capth> O.K....
[11:13] <Conqueror> I'm not fighting with you though.
[11:13] <capth> Obviously
[11:13] <capth> Good enough for me!
[11:14] <Conqueror> Mmhmm! I wouldn't look for a fight with you unless Italy and Egypt were either sworn allies with me or ead.
[11:14] <Conqueror> *dead
[11:14] <Conqueror> So I have to see how things work out there.
[11:14] <Conqueror> You're too far off in the East anyway, so even if that issue is resolved I might not have to deal with you.
[11:14] <capth> Ever
[11:15] <Conqueror> So that's why we think you're a potential future partner.
[11:15] <capth> Good choice
[11:15] <capth> K
[11:15] <capth> Once it works out, feel free to get in touch
[11:15] <Conqueror> Sure thing.
[11:15] <Conqueror> Next turn will be a blast.
[11:15] <Conqueror> \o/
[11:15] <Conqueror> We'll make sure to contact you if there is anything concrete as well.



[20:16] <capth> Hey K4U. Diplomacy question.
[20:16] <Kitten4u> k
[20:16] <capth> Dan obviously hasn't had much time to coordinate his moves with his allies.
[20:17] <capth> And he's honest to a fault, so he's probably telling the truth
[20:17] <capth> Does this change your game plan at all?
[20:17] <Kitten4u> I am under the impression that Dorian is writing his moves for him anyway
[20:18] <capth> K
[20:18] <capth> So we're assuming that Dorian's sending him a PM telling him what to do anyway.
[20:18] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[20:18] <Kitten4u> Dorian already told me that what I don't control he does
[20:19] <capth> I'm actually fairly surprised how much you're coordinating all the moves.
[20:19] <Kitten4u> I am too after what happened last game
[20:19] <Kitten4u> Not going to complain. Controlling the world is fun.
[20:20] <capth> It's just that if it were me, I'd only keep track of the players directly adjacent to me.
[20:20] <Kitten4u> More fun this way.
[20:20] <capth> And even then, only if it's a battle between two countries on my border
[20:20] <capth> Eh, to each there own.
[20:20] <Kitten4u> The entire world is releveant to my interests. If I can get them to do something that benefits me I will.
[20:21] <capth> That's one way of looking at it.
[20:28] <capth> You know, we need a strong player in the west.
[20:28] <capth> Only problem is that if we had one, he would be athreat.
[20:29] <capth> But yeah, a player than neighbors spain/France/England that dictates their moves.
[20:29] <Kitten4u> I write them all so
[20:29] <Kitten4u> As long as they let me write their moves they won't be an issue
[20:30] <capth> Exactly
[20:30] <capth> Unless you ordered Spain to support France
[20:30] <Kitten4u> And I think PX still wants to kill Spain and France actually
[20:30] <capth> I think you know the status of the western world
[20:30] <Kitten4u> I suspect he'll want to go after them once he's strong enough
[20:31] <Kitten4u> I know the status of like everything.
[20:31] <capth> Right. Infighting and ignoring orders
[20:31] <capth> That's why they could use a strong leader in the west
[20:31] <capth> One that can touch them and actually depends on them
[20:31] <Kitten4u> I am not encouraging such things.
[20:31] <capth> Smart
[20:31] <Kitten4u> That's basically what Dorian's trying to be, but he's in a horrible location for it
[20:32] <capth> Nah, he's in the perfect location
[20:32] <capth> He just has horrible neighbors
[20:32] <capth>
[20:32] <Kitten4u> No, he's in a horrible location
[20:32] <Kitten4u> France can't do anything from there
[20:32] <capth> I guess
[20:33] <Kitten4u> Spain *might* be able to, but it's all Italy's land
[20:33] <capth> See, if I were able to, I would have allied with Spain as Germany
[20:33] <capth> And maybe England, against Russia
[20:33] <Kitten4u> The only one that can do anything at all is England, and even then his fight wold just slow us down in Poland.
[20:33] <Kitten4u> Germany DID try to ally with England
[20:34] <capth> I see what you mean by "horrible location" now
[20:34] <capth> You mean in the context of the eastern front
[20:34] <Kitten4u> Yes
[20:34] <Kitten4u> They have to confront us now or we'll just steamroll over them
[20:34] <Kitten4u> In other words, it's way too late
[20:34] <capth> Well, honestly, any location other than the Eastern front is a horrible location in regards to the eastern front
[20:34] <Kitten4u> Germany had to kill Poland
[20:35] <Kitten4u> I told him that killing Poland was the best thing he could do
[20:35] <Kitten4u> I still stand by this
[20:35] <Kitten4u> It's too late now though
[20:35] <Kitten4u> He had to hit me while I was weak
[20:35] <Kitten4u> But now Schezo and I are going to get all the land
[20:36] <capth> If he killed Poland, then he wouldn't have that wall you've been bashing against from the begining of the game protecting him.
[20:36] <Kitten4u> Indeed. Instead he'd be...about 2-3 providences bigger and and he would prevent me from going
[20:36] <Kitten4u> *growing
[20:37] <capth> Not saying he couldn't use the territory, but Poland is exceeding my expectations all things considered
[20:37] <Kitten4u> And he would actually have a way to fight me
[20:37] <Kitten4u> And he would have ways to fight you
[20:37] <Kitten4u> He HAD to kill Poland
[20:37] <capth> Not only that, but you would have been able to take Polish land early
[20:37] <capth> Due to the divided front
[20:37] <Kitten4u> I think I would have gotten a few of them yes
[20:37] <capth> He would have had to take Russia and you at the same time years earlier
[20:38] <Kitten4u> Schezo would have defnitely gotten Lit, possibly War
[20:38] <Kitten4u> I undestand why it looks bad, but the thing is he really needed to take us all on early
[20:38] <Kitten4u> What he needed to encourage was England + France vs Spain
[20:39] <capth> I agree with that.
[20:39] <Kitten4u> As long as France wasn't allies with England it didn't matter
[20:39] <Kitten4u> His focus needed to be in the east
[20:39] <Kitten4u> Or rather, as long as England and France weren't allies against HIM
[20:39] <Kitten4u> France + Spain vs England might have worked better for him
[20:40] <capth> He needed a front
[20:40] <capth> Perhaps Poland
[20:40] <Kitten4u> Poland was IN THE WAY
[20:40] <capth> Right
[20:40] <Kitten4u> I agree with his first move
[20:40] <Kitten4u> The first thing they did was to try to turn you and Schezo against me. This was the absolute correct thing to do
[20:41] <Kitten4u> But it didn't work. Ergo Poland had to die so he could actually DO something
[20:41] <Kitten4u> Poland can't defend forever and Germany can't help him anymore
[20:41] <Kitten4u> Therefore I get all 5 providences
[20:42] <Kitten4u> And he still has no decent way to attack me.
[20:42] <capth> Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
[20:42] <capth> Any invasion of Poland will be slow
[20:42] <Kitten4u> Yes, but it will be done
[20:43] <capth> Agreed
[20:43] <Kitten4u> It doesn't matter how long it takes. He's not going to make any ground
[20:43] <Kitten4u> Because he won't kill Poland.
[20:43] <Kitten4u> He won't kill France
[20:43] <Kitten4u> He won't kill Spain
[20:43] <Kitten4u> He can't kill England
[20:43] <capth> ...Crud
[20:43] <Kitten4u> ?
[20:43] <capth> He's going to start killing me
[20:43] <capth> Once I break through France
[20:43] <capth> *Italy
[20:44] <capth> I always get the two mixed up
[20:44] <Kitten4u> What's the problem? You have plenty of options from there
[20:45] <capth> Once I take Venice, I border him. I hadn't thought too much of the implications about that.
[20:45] <capth> No problem, I just hadn't thought that far ahead yet
[20:45] <Kitten4u> What implications? We want him dead, I don't see the problem.
[20:45] <capth> The implications are that I'll have to start killing him before I finish off Italy
[20:46] <capth> Pity.
[20:46] <Kitten4u> I mostly consider him my target
[20:46] <Kitten4u> Don't worry about it. I have France and England going
[20:46] <Kitten4u> I think.
[20:46] <capth> Alright then.
[20:46] <Kitten4u> If they do what I think they are going to do I literally have hands in everything but Poland, Italy and Germany
[20:47] <Kitten4u> Clearly I am the most dangerous enemy ever.
[20:47] <capth> You mean, what you want them to do
[20:47] <Kitten4u> Same difference man.
[20:47] <capth> I guess
[20:48] <capth> I think England is doing something akin to war with Spain, so to be clear: Is that part of the plan?
[20:48] <Kitten4u> I dunno what I want to do with them right now
[20:48] <capth> No evidence of that actually happening, but the moves are rather obvious
[20:49] <Kitten4u> I suspect Spain will try to end the alliance once Italy and Germany start going down simply because it's the only thing he can do
[20:49] <Kitten4u> If he does I'll see if I can turn France and England on him
[20:49] <capth> Either Px is doing some very long distance travel, or that's a declaration of war in the east
[20:49] <capth> That's why I ask.
[20:49] <Kitten4u> ?
[20:49] <Kitten4u> I told him to keep Ska
[20:49] <capth> I'm talking about the Mid-atlantic Ocean
[20:50] <Kitten4u> That be the west, not the east.
[20:50] <capth> There's no reason for PX to be there unless he's waging a war
[20:50] <capth> Right
[20:50] <Kitten4u> But yes, he wanted to murder Spain and I told him to stop for a second so I could get France
[20:50] <Kitten4u> He wants to murder France too.
[20:50] <Kitten4u> In fact, if France doesn't do what we want he's just going to kill him
[20:51] <capth> And We're SURE he's not allies with Germany?
[20:51] <capth> I mean, he only wants to murder all his neighbors
[20:51] <Kitten4u> Considering Germany just took two of his providences, I doubt it
[20:51] <capth> (Note: That was sarcasm. I don't think he's allies with Germany)
[20:51] <Kitten4u> Oh okay
[20:52] <Kitten4u> I've considered the possiblity of him trying to ally with Germany, but I think I could talk him out of it
[20:52] <Kitten4u> I DID just spend a huge chunk of time getting a nice French ally.
[20:52] <capth> Truth be told, he's too far away
[20:52] <Kitten4u> I don't want to drop Sweden and Denmark
[20:52] <capth> I don't care whether he's allies with Germany, from that position
[20:53] <Kitten4u> How strong Schezo and I are should still be relevant to your interests
[20:53] <capth> Right
[20:53] <Kitten4u> PX allying with Dorian would be irritating
[20:53] <capth> True
[20:53] <Kitten4u> I really don't think he's going to do it though
[20:54] <capth> Definitely not
[20:54] <capth> He can't maintain an alliance with a neighbor if his country depended on it
[20:54] <Kitten4u> Haha
[20:54] <Kitten4u> It's okay, we can be best friends forever! <^_^>
[20:55] <capth> Probably
[20:56] <capth> (You meant yourself and PX, right?)
[20:56] <Kitten4u> Yes
[20:56] <capth> K
[20:56] <Kitten4u> Though, we can be best friends forever too if you want.
[20:56] <capth> Sounds like fun.



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[00:56] <capth> Hey, K4U
[00:56] <Serena> I laughed
[00:56] <Serena> So much
[00:56] <Serena> This move is hilariosu
[00:56] <capth> So...
[00:56] <capth> Now what?
[00:56] <Serena> I can DWI
[00:57] <capth> Driving While Intoxicated?
[00:57] <Serena> Just keep doing your thing
[00:57] <capth> Alright
[00:57] <Serena> Deal with it
[00:57] <capth> What?
[00:57] <Serena> DWI = Deal with it
[00:57] <capth> Oh
[00:58] <patch> Disconnected.
[00:58] <patch> Sorry, was thinking of DUI
[00:58] <Serena> [22:52] <Serena> I'm giving up Hungary
[00:58] <Serena> [22:52] <Serena> I have to let Schezo capture something and I have to move to better places
[00:58] <patch> K
[00:58] <patch> Disconnected.
[00:58] <patch> Sorry, was thinking of DUI
[00:58] <Serena> [22:52] <Serena> I'm giving up Hungary
[00:58] <Serena> [22:52] <Serena> I have to let Schezo capture something and I have to move to better places
[00:58] <patch> K
[01:00] <patch> You know, Spain hinted at something when I talked to him, I just would never have guessed it was THAT
[01:01] <Serena> Haha
[01:02] <Serena> THat move was hilarious
[01:04] <Serena> Take Croatia
[01:04] <patch> K
[01:05] <Serena> I'll let yo upick which unit
[01:05] <patch> If I fail this year, I'm taking the slow and absolute method next.
[01:05] <Serena> You cannot fail this year
[01:05] <patch> Well, no, not unless Germany supports a defense
[01:06] <Serena> No, I am moving into Austria
[01:06] <Serena> You cannot fail this year
[01:06] <patch> Ah, I see
[01:06] <Serena> It is physically impossible
[01:06] <patch> Then I won't fail!
[01:06] <Kitten4u> Yep!
[01:13] <patch> You're joking, right?
[01:14] <Kitten4u> I told you, if they are useful I will make use of them
[01:14] <patch> Let me rephrase
[01:15] <patch> After they did THAT, I'm not so sure it's a matter of "forgiving them" as "making them useful"
[01:15] <Kitten4u> It's the same thing
[01:15] <patch> Alright
[01:49] <patch> Um Kitten, Is GreyIce Dorian Grey?
[01:50] <patch> Actually, let me rephrase that, did you tell LLD or Dorian that you want PX to convoy into Belgium just now?
[01:50] <Kitten4u> No
[01:50] <patch> Alright, just checking. Sometimes you get mismatched usernames
[01:51] <patch> I mean, the usernames are off, and I don't realize sometimes
[01:51] <Kitten4u> Yeah, he's some other dude
[01:59] <patch> I'd like to point out that if he was working in his best interest, he would have sent his own tanks instead
[01:59] <patch> PX, I mean
[02:00] <Kitten4u> Don't mind my AtE. It's how I roll
[02:11] <Kitten4u> Oh yeah, both your tanks need to support Rome this year. I do not trust the Spanish at all.
[02:11] <patch> Alright...
[02:12] <Kitten4u> Nothing's happening with Venice anyway
[02:12] <Kitten4u> Croatia is a much better target.
[02:13] <patch> WAs kind of hoping to bounce Venice, maybe take it if LLD feels defensive of her other front
[02:13] <patch> But you're right
[02:13] <Kitten4u> Doesn't matter
[02:13] <Kitten4u> Especially if I get Austria
[02:13] <patch> If you can pull that off, I'll be impressed
[02:14] <Kitten4u> I think I can with French support
[02:14] <patch> Sonds good
[02:14] <patch> *Sounds
[02:17] <patch> Incidentally, I do think you are correct to not trust Spain. However, it's farily obvious they aren't working with France
[02:17] <patch> *Italy
[02:18] <Kitten4u>
[02:18] <patch> They are not working with Italy, or even communicating with Italy, considering their moves
[02:19] <patch> Could be wrong. Could be a rouse, but...
[02:19] <patch> Actually, I have no idea what Spain is doing
[02:19] <Kitten4u> Spain is Spain


[01:20] <patch> Hey PX, why didn't you just send your own tanks into Sweden?
[01:20] <PX_> Because this was lulzier
[01:20] <patch> Good enough for me.



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[01:03] <PX_> Ahahaha
[01:04] <PX_> I love the arrow of Spain going to Sweden
[01:04] <PX_> Most hilarious looking thing ever
[01:04] <PX_> This map is so fuxcrazy
[01:05] <PX_> "No order for unit at Libyan Sea. Hold order assigned."
[01:05] <PX_> Fail Shadoweh, just fail
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[01:06] <PX_> Oh, it's over now?
[01:08] <patch> Er, PX, just one question: Why?
[01:08] <Conqueror> PX they're going to kill us. :<
[01:08] <Kitten4u> I know, I worked so hard to get France to work with you. :<
[01:08] <Shadoweh> I forgot I had seven units >.> It would have just bounced anyways
[01:09] <PX_> Because this was so retardedly awesome, there was no way I could refuse to do it
[01:09] <Conqueror> ^
[01:09] <Kitten4u> No, Spain didn't have support.
[01:09] <Kitten4u> Can you convoy it back then?
[01:09] <PX_> Funny thing
[01:09] <PX_> I can
[01:09] <PX_>
[01:09] <Kitten4u> Or into Belgium?
[01:09] <Conqueror> We were considering convoying to Africa next!
[01:09] <Kitten4u> I'd be cool with it being convoyed into Belgium
[01:10] <PX_> Why what capth?
[01:10] <Kitten4u> But uh, I'd want you to move out of Denmark okay? You can just move into Bhm like we planned? :<
[01:10] <PX_> I see...
[01:10] <PX_> Absolutely no progress @_@
[01:11] <patch> [01:09] <PX_> Because this was so retardedly awesome, there was no way I could refuse to do it
[01:11] <patch> That's what I wanted to know
[01:11] <Kitten4u> I'd be less annoyed about it if I hadn't been working my ass off to make up for Tunis, but it looks like you won't be losing Tunis anyway
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[01:12] <Shadoweh> >.>
[01:12] <Kitten4u> I suppose this is the part where I give my speech on why it's better to work with me rather than against me?
[01:12] <@Edible> This game is incredibly silly.
[01:12] <patch> Sure, lets hear it.
[01:13] <Conqueror> Ooh, I want to hear!
[01:13] <Conqueror> [01:10:10] <@Edible> This game is incredibly silly. <--- Indeed.
[01:13] <Kitten4u> I can forgive this move and the fact that you likely told them exactly what I was doing if you get out of Sweden and Denmark
[01:13] <@Edible> I mean.
[01:13] <PX_> Sure, try it Kitten
[01:13] <PX_>
[01:13] <@Edible> I have no idea how to play.
[01:13] <@Edible> It just looks incredibly silly.
[01:13] <Kitten4u> Well, it was for England, not you.
[01:13] <PX_>
[01:13] <Kitten4u> Italy is dead
[01:13] <PX_> Half of the map looks incredibly silly
[01:13] <Kitten4u> I don't believe this is any debating this
[01:14] <Kitten4u> Once Italy is dead Germany will be in trouble
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[01:14] <PX_> <Kitten4u> I suppose this is the part where I give my speech on why it's better to work with me rather than against me?
[01:14] <PX_>
[01:14] <Kitten4u> This is true regardless of whether you attack Russia
[01:14] <PX_> I want to see a speech
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[01:15] <Kitten4u> Naturally, I'm going to assume you think I didn't want to win with you? Well, I suppose I can't blame you for not trusting me
[01:16] <Kitten4u> Do you doubt I've been trying to do everything in my power to help you?
[01:16] <PX_> :|
[01:16] <PX_> Well the thing was
[01:16] <PX_> It wasn't working
[01:16] <Kitten4u> This is why I was getting France
[01:16] <Kitten4u> And I DID get France
[01:17] <Kitten4u> I was going to make SURE you were getting Holland this year
[01:17] <Kitten4u> From there, you would have a tank in Holland, a fleet in Hel and Schezo would have a tank in Denmark
[01:17] <@Edible> Guys guys look you're missing something important
[01:17] <Kitten4u> Naturally this is all destroyed now, but did you really not see why that was good for you?
[01:17] <@Edible> Spain is in russia :O
[01:18] <Kitten4u> Did you really think I didn't have your best interests in mine? Your best interests were the same as my best interests. Even if you think I would backstab you later it seemed obvious to me that you could trust me now
[01:19] * Shadoweh drowns Edible in the nile
[01:19] <PX_>
[01:19] <PX_> Spain is in Sweden
[01:19] <PX_> Right next to Russia
[01:19] <PX_> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
[01:19] <Kitten4u> You knew how hard I was working to get France to work with you. I believe I told you that I spent 2000 words trying to convince France to work with you
[01:19] * Conqueror flies a banner
[01:19] <PX_> You know what's funny?
[01:19] <PX_> There was no possible way for you to attack me
[01:19] <PX_> Ahahaha
[01:20] <Kitten4u> Yes, that's why I thought you trusted me. :S
[01:20] <Kitten4u> I never had any INTENTION of attacking you
[01:20] <PX_> Well I got tired of no progress
[01:20] <PX_> >_<
[01:20] <Kitten4u> But you would have made progress this year!
[01:20] <PX_> You know how many plans I had to change?!
[01:20] <Conqueror> >_> Is this a scum v scum argument?
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[01:21] <PX_> I went from Ally Germany Kill France to Ally France Kill Germany
[01:21] <Kitten4u> I GOT YOU AN ALLY!
[01:21] <PX_> AND LOOK WHERE THAT GOT ME
[01:21] <PX_> ENEMIES AGAINST BOTH OF THEM
[01:21] <Kitten4u> This is why I was working hard to make France your friend
[01:21] <PX_> Besides, this is quite a logical choice
[01:21] <PX_> You already own half the board
[01:22] <Conqueror> Well, actually, PX, I wouldn't exactly call it the -logical- choice
[01:22] <Kitten4u> The part that gets me is that YOU COULD HAVE JUST WON
[01:22] <Conqueror> But it's the -awesome- one.
[01:22] <PX_> Hah, the eastern half of the board is so boring nothing happened
[01:22] <Kitten4u> I was going to *win with you*
[01:22] <PX_>
[01:22] <PX_> But this is way more fun!
[01:22] <Kitten4u> Again, I might forgive it if you get out of Denmark
[01:22] <PX_> Ehhh
[01:22] <PX_> Doubtful
[01:23] <PX_> VERY doubtful
[01:23] <PX_> Also, I might still be angry from last game
[01:23] <PX_> ...
[01:23] <PX_> Probably
[01:23] <Kitten4u> Dorian backstabbed you too man.
[01:23] <Kitten4u> It's the only reason I was even able to backstab you!
[01:23] <PX_> Well
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[01:23] <PX_> We both hate Kitten
[01:24] <PX_> So it works out B3
[01:24] <PX_> Not to mention you guys are getting too powerful
[01:24] <Kitten4u> Dude, I haven't grown like at all
[01:24] <PX_> Ahahaha
[01:24] <Kitten4u> So you really want to put a permanent end to this?
[01:24] <PX_> What about your branches capth and Schezo?
[01:25] <Kitten4u> Schezo hasn't grown either.
[01:25] <Kitten4u> Capth is a different story, but he's too far away to hurt you
[01:25] <Kitten4u> Besides, us getting powerful was a good thing for you. It means you would have won. >__>
[01:25] <PX_> Sorry, but the plan wasn't getting anywhere
[01:26] <PX_> So I decided to stray from the plan
[01:26] <Kitten4u> He couldn't stop the plan without knowing about it. :|
[01:26] <Kitten4u> You would have gotten Holland and then Ham and probably Fra as well
[01:26] <PX_> Me or Schezo?
[01:26] <Kitten4u> And more importantly *you would have win*
[01:26] <Kitten4u> You
[01:26] <Kitten4u> I was going to let you have it
[01:27] <Kitten4u> I just wanted Schezo to have Berline
[01:27] <Kitten4u> *Berlin
[01:27] <Kitten4u> If you guys convoy out of Sweden and into Belgium I really might forgive it. I'll even let you have Denmark
[01:28] <Conqueror> Where do we fit into this? \;_;/ Are we just the peripheral third party?
[01:28] <Kitten4u> Yes.
[01:28] <Kitten4u> SPAIN MUST DIE
[01:28] <Conqueror> ;_;
[01:28] <Kitten4u> But you'd get Bel, so it's okay
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[01:28] <Kitten4u> With my plan you get Bel + Mon
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[01:29] <Kitten4u> I'm not sure how you'd want to split up everything else
[01:29] <PX_> gdi, stupid shift click
[01:29] <Conqueror> I can't even tell who's allied with who anymore.
[01:29] <Conqueror> @_@
[01:29] <PX_> Hah, 5 way victory
[01:29] <Kitten4u> I'll work with anyone as long as they're useful
[01:29] <PX_> You think I would be satisfied with that?
[01:29] <Kitten4u> Haha
[01:29] <PX_> Useful? And how do I know that you're not going to discard me afterwards?
[01:29] <Kitten4u> I suppose I can be happy with my 4 man then
[01:30] <Kitten4u> I can't touch you
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[01:30] <PX_> Just like France and Spain
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[01:31] <PX_> Let's see how powerful your Kitten nation will be once Russia falls
[01:31] <Kitten4u> Again, I can't touch you
[01:31] <Kitten4u> Do you really think that what I'm suggesting is worse for you than killing Schezo?
[01:32] <Kitten4u> At this point you'd get most of Germany since your only competitor is France nwo
[01:32] <Kitten4u> You can try to fight it out with Schezo, but he can hold
[01:32] <Kitten4u> Germany is dead anyway, why not take the land for yourself?
[01:34] <PX_>
[01:34] <PX_> This map is awesome regardless
[01:34] <PX_> It looks like Spain just pierced France, Germany, and Russia to reach Sweden
[01:34] <Kitten4u> Indeed. You had your awesome convoy, so why don't you stop playing and actually get something done?
[01:35] <Conqueror> Sure, we can kill Germany too.
[01:35] <Conqueror> \o/
[01:36] <Kitten4u> Schezo already had to disband Denmark, so I'm cool with you taking it at this point so you can have a decent attack at Ham
[01:37] <Kitten4u> You taking that and then convoying Conq into Bel insures that both of you grow this year
[01:37] <Kitten4u> From there, you still have all the great lines into Germany I mentioned
[01:37] <Kitten4u> I think that's better than trying to fight it out with Schezo
[01:39] <Kitten4u> I can have France ensure htat the move will be a success I Think
[01:39] <PX_> Oh, Belgium bumrush is perfectly possible
[01:39] <Kitten4u> Is it a thing you're going to do?
[01:40] <PX_> *shrug*
[01:40] <PX_> Who's to say?
[01:40] <Kitten4u> You're still not convinced this is the superior course of action?
[01:41] <PX_> There's just... so much wine
[01:42] <PX_> And options
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[01:42] <Kitten4u> But there is no wine here
[01:42] <patch> France is Wine country after all
[01:42] <Kitten4u> I can guarantee you will get Belgium
[01:43] <PX_> Or you could be working with Germany and France to kill me
[01:43] <Kitten4u> Once you get Belgium, you can convoy to Holland. Then Germany will be in trouble
[01:43] <Kitten4u> I do not believe I am missing anything
[01:43] <Kitten4u> ...
[01:43] <PX_> ...
[01:43] <Kitten4u> How could Germamy and France kill you? >__>
[01:43] <Kitten4u> I'm still too far away to kill you
[01:43] <PX_> 3 fleets, 2 wings
[01:43] <Kitten4u> Germany has wanted me dead since the pre-game
[01:43] <PX_> If they're working together
[01:43] <PX_> I have no chance
[01:43] <Kitten4u> Yes, I need them for Poland
[01:43] <PX_>
[01:43] <PX_> Poland is still a problem, eh?
[01:43] <Kitten4u> I can't attack you if you hold both Ska and Denmark
[01:44] <PX_> I'll just give you this: I still have yet to contact Poland about anything
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[01:44] <PX_> And Dan is surprising me by how long he has lasted
[01:44] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[01:46] <Kitten4u> Seriously though, if you hold Denmark and Ska, how do I attack you?
[01:46] <PX_> Question.
[01:46] <Kitten4u> This is a serious question since you seem to think I'm out to murder you
[01:46] <PX_> Can I keep Tunis?
[01:46] <PX_> http://www.great-pictures-of-cats.com/image-files/cute-kittens-3.jpg
[01:47] <PX_> And where's Shadoweh in all of this?
[01:47] <Shadoweh> -.-
[01:47] <Kitten4u> Convoy to Bel and I'll see what I can do
[01:47] <Kitten4u> I do want her to be able to move her plane in there though if that's okay?
[01:47] <Shadoweh> Awh those are some cute kittens
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[01:48] <Conqueror> What so you can kill me? :<
[01:48] <PX_> <Serena> I was not prepared for Shadoweh not supporting the move like I told her to.
[01:48] <PX_> <Aria> Not supporting which move?
[01:48] <PX_> <Serena> Into Tunis
[01:48] <PX_> Wut
[01:48] <Shadoweh> Kitten wanted me to move the plane in the first place. No, so we can keep Tunis unoccupied
[01:48] <Conqueror> :O
[01:48] <Conqueror> >.>
[01:48] <PX_> Move plane in
[01:48] <Kitten4u> I told you that I wanted her to use the plane so that you wouldn't lose anything. >__>
[01:48] <PX_> Spain goes with supported attack
[01:48] <PX_>
[01:49] <Shadoweh> If there’s a plane sitting there no one gets it, planes don’t take over.
[01:49] <PX_> At that point, there's no way to keep it unoccupied unless Lambda supported Shadoweh
[01:49] <Kitten4u> She needs to get her fleets active
[01:49] <PX_> ...
[01:49] <PX_> Fucking planes
[01:49] <Kitten4u> Yeah, that's why I wanted her to take it with the plane
[01:49] <Kitten4u> When she said she didn't want to that's when I went into MUST GET PX LAND mode
[01:49] <Kitten4u> Seriously, did you really think I wasn't working my ass off for you?
[01:50] <Kitten4u> Is there something wrong with my proposition that you kill Germany?
[01:50] <Kitten4u> Because I think you would steamroll him with France
[01:50] <PX_> WHERE WAS FRANCE WHEN I NEEDED HIM?!
[01:50] <Shadoweh> Drinking the koolaid you just found
[01:50] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[01:51] <Kitten4u> Dude, look at the map
[01:51] <Kitten4u> What is wrong with the line I am proposing?
[01:52] <Kitten4u> I spent *hours* finding the best way for you to grow. I thought you would see it the second I told you you would get Hol
[01:52] <Kitten4u> God dammit, that's what I get for not expaining things again
[01:52] <Kitten4u> It's the same thing that happened with France
[01:53] <Kitten4u> Note to self: people hate you for trying to help them, so make sure you explain EVERY GOD DAMN THING in great detail
[01:53] <PX_>
[01:53] <PX_> Well, towards the end of the cruise I was thinking of convoying to Sweden
[01:53] <PX_> Once I got back home, Dormio and I were talking on TS
[01:53] <PX_>
[01:53] <PX_> Then THIS happenead
[01:54] <Kitten4u> It would have been nice if you told me talking to France was a complete waste of time. :|
[01:54] <PX_> <Kitten4u> Note to self: people hate you for trying to help them, so make sure you explain EVERY GOD DAMN THING in great detail
[01:54] <Kitten4u> Or that worrying about how I was going to make up losing you Tunis was a complete waste of effort
[01:54] <PX_> Yup, because me helping you last game got me so far
[01:54] <Kitten4u> This is a different game
[01:54] <Kitten4u> I do not expect you to trust me on my words alone
[01:54] <PX_> Bitter memories die hard
[01:55] <patch> Itt wasn't a waste of time.
[01:55] <PX_> Of course, Shadoweh lynched me the next morning might have made it hurt even more
[01:55] <PX_> :\
[01:55] <Kitten4u> So you're attacking me purely out of spite rather than doing what is truely best for your country?
[01:55] <patch> I did I mean, talking to France
[01:55] <patch> *I mean talking to France wasn't a waste of time
[01:55] <PX_> Actually
[01:56] <Shadoweh> Kitten didn’t lynch you. :<
[01:56] <PX_> I was planning to say "SORRY KITTEN" in the thread right before the update
[01:56] <PX_>
[01:56] <PX_> but *dolls*
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[01:57] <PX_> Ohoho, I was just getting tired of seeing my country falling apart little by little
[01:57] <Kitten4u> That doesn't really answer my question
[01:57] <Kitten4u> I don't expect you to trust my words alone. Look at the map
[01:58] <PX_> :\
[01:58] <Kitten4u> What you are telling me is that you care more about killing me just because rather than growing as much as possible
[01:59] <Kitten4u> For some revenge sort of thing after I worked my ass off to help you this game
[01:59] <Kitten4u> I assume you understand why I'm somewhat pissed off by this?
[01:59] <PX_> :/
[01:59] <PX_> I don't like being used like a pawn
[02:00] <PX_> Anyways, this path is more fun
[02:00] <PX_>
[02:00] <PX_> Which is probably the main reason why I took it
[02:00] <PX_> Seriously, the most boring thing ever is a one sided match
[02:01] <patch> Nah, the most boring thing ever is a stalemate
[02:04] <Kitten4u> So yes, you picked an inefior target that was ACTIVELY HELPING YOU because you could
[02:04] <Kitten4u> Awesome
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[02:04] <HangedHourai>
[02:05] <patch>
[02:05] <PX_> Good timing Hourai
[02:05] * Kitten4u goes to the emo corner
[02:05] <patch> Actually, about an hour late





[17:19] <capth> Hello Shadoweh.
[17:20] <Shadowehzzy> Hello capt.h
[17:20] <Shadowehzzy> El Capitan
[17:20] <capth> Where do you think Spain and England stand in regards to Germany
[17:20] <capth> ?
[17:20] <Shadowehzzy> I think England is a lost cause
[17:20] <capth> Heh, I remember that nickname from high school
[17:20] <capth> Anyway, I agree, but I'm trying to decide about their relationship with Germany
[17:20] <Shadowehzzy> Spain says he’s still in to kill Germany. How much we trust him for that is debatable
[17:21] <capth> I think he still wants Africa, but that's just me
[17:21] <capth> Germany is a bit out of his range, no matter how impressive his displays
[17:23] <Shadowehzzy> Entirely possible. I’m going to be trying to go against him there regardless
[17:25] <capth> In that case, we need to break you through Tyrr
[17:27] <capth> Well, for now the best thing to do is weaken Italy's hold on the area. Then we can cross that bridge next year, when Italy won;t have as much support
[17:39] <Shadowehzzy> Yeah. Destroying Italy is always the most important step
[17:40] <capth> Why?
[17:40] <capth> I mean, for me it is, but why is it important to you?
[17:41] <Shadowehzzy> Because she’s THERE O_O
[17:43] <capth> Good enough for me.
[17:43] <Shadowehzzy> Watching you and LLD fight in the last mafia was funny
[17:43] <Shadowehzzy> I wanted so much to comment that you hated her logic for the same reasons as in JJBA
[17:43] <capth> STOP CONVINCING ME YOU'RE TOWN, LLD!
[17:44] <Shadowehzzy> But I was scum so instead I went yes lynches and stuff!
[17:44] <capth> IT HURTS
[17:44] <Shadowehzzy> XDDDDD
[17:44] <Shadowehzzy> The pain of Town LLD
[17:44] <Shadowehzzy> You can’t lynch it!
[17:45] <capth> I don't actually want to play mafia with her anymore.
[17:47] <Shadowehzzy> That’s okay, she doesn’t want to play it with us either
[17:48] <Shadowehzzy> I have the most hilarious log from right after Reg got hammered about how she was going to quit MotK forever for being awful and not listening to her dying words about how he was town and you were scum
[17:48] <Shadowehzzy> It was especially hilarious to me since I already knew what Reg was flipping <.<
[17:48] <capth> I'd like to see that.
[17:49] <Shadowehzzy> In good conscience I wouldn’t share it. I’m holding it as blackmail if she tries to talk about being better then us <.<
[17:49] <Shadowehzzy> MotKTown is the strongest!
[17:49] <capth> What is her playstyle anyway?
[17:50] <capth> I think there's a method behind it, otherwise she wouldn't be furious about us ignoring it.
[17:50] <capth> But I can't pin down her strategy (partially because I don't think she's shared it)
[17:50] <capth> Either that, or she told us it and I vehimently disagree with it
[17:51] <Shadowehzzy> It’s pretty common to MS actually. It’s based around interactions and tells that everyone is so accustomed to that it’s second nature. Have you ever looked at a game on MS?
[17:51] <capth> Once
[17:51] <capth> It was a newby game
[17:51] <Shadowehzzy> 3 pages in and everyone will agree on 5-7 people being town and one guy being scum, and they’ll actually be right
[17:51] <Shadowehzzy> And I have no idea why


[17:53] <patch> Disconnected
[17:53] <Shadowehzzy> Ack
[17:53] <Shadowehzzy> <Shadowehzzy> It’s pretty common to MS actually. It’s based around interactions and tells that everyone is so accustomed to that it’s second nature. Have you ever looked at a game on MS?
[17:53] <Shadowehzzy> <capth> Once
[17:53] <Shadowehzzy> <Shadowehzzy> 3 pages in and everyone will agree on 5-7 people being town and one guy being scum, and they’ll actually be right
[17:53] <Shadowehzzy> <Shadowehzzy> And I have no idea why
[17:53] <Shadowehzzy> <Shadowehzzy> The problem is she doesn’t adjust her playstyle for a different crowd. It’s -normal- there for people to just say “X is town.”
[17:53] <Shadowehzzy> <Shadowehzzy> “Yep that guy is scum. Lol look at his words obvscum”
[17:54] <patch> I got the first half of that
[17:54] <Shadowehzzy> We always scream “WHY are you making this assumption?”
[17:54] <Shadowehzzy> There, people would just go ‘I agree’
[17:54] <patch> You know, it actually doesn't bother me as much when she's right
[17:54] <patch> It's when she's WRONG that there's a problem
[17:54] <patch> See, when you're right there's no reason to explain, since it's just giving hints
[17:55] <patch> NVM, babbling
[17:55] <Shadowehzzy> Yeah. It’s the way I feel about MS in general. Because sometimes they’re wrong too
[17:55] <patch> What I mean is that when a tell that's wrong, it needs to be adjusted
[17:55] <patch> But you can't adjust your tells if you don't recognize they're wrong
[17:56] <patch> meh.
[17:56] <Shadowehzzy> Yeah.
[17:56] <Shadowehzzy> I know what you mean. If she doesn’t think about why she’s doing something she’ll never figure out how to make it right
[17:56] -Koishi_Dormeiji- #YakumoPoker > Your cards are: Kd 7s




[19:14] <Kitten4u> So I'm kind of a big ball of angst right now
[19:14] <Kitten4u> Have you talked to Spain any?
[19:14] <capth> No
[19:14] <capth> Looking up Yu-gi-oh rules
[19:14] <capth> Just a minute
[19:15] <Kitten4u> k
[19:15] <Kitten4u> Poke me when you have a sec
[19:36] <capth> Hey K4U, I'm kind of busy at the moment
[19:36] <capth> How about I come back in a couple hours?
[19:36] <Kitten4u> No worries. Again, just poke me when you have a chance
[19:36] <capth> K, thanks




[22:42] <capth> Hello! you wanted to talk?
[23:56] <Kitten4u> Sorry, I was AFK
[23:57] <capth> K, I'll be done in less than 20 minutes
[23:57] <capth> (playing yu-gi-oh
[23:57] <Kitten4u> k
[00:02] <capth> Done
[00:03] <Kitten4u> \o/
[00:03] <capth> Alright, what do you want to know about who?
[00:03] <Kitten4u> Right, so I was wondering how you feel about shenanigans
[00:04] <capth> Entertained.
[00:04] <Kitten4u> Because this game has has a helluva lot of angst
[00:04] <Kitten4u> Spain wants you and Shadoweh to convoy them into Iran
[00:04] <capth> I've never trusted Schezo completely
[00:04] <Kitten4u>
[00:04] <Kitten4u> You can trust Schezo
[00:04] <capth> I'm actually surprised he was betrayed first
[00:04] <capth> All hot air?
[00:05] <Kitten4u> ?
[00:05] <Kitten4u> I'm pretty sure Spain is serious about wanting to be convoyed into Iran.
[00:05] <capth> No
[00:05] <capth> Next topic!
[00:05] <Kitten4u> I said I would do it if they killed England. I was lying at the time, but I might go along with it if it doesn't piss you off
[00:06] <Kitten4u> It would be pretty funny.
[00:06] <capth> Explain the route
[00:06] <Kitten4u> Um
[00:06] <Kitten4u> iirc we still need to build it
[00:06] <capth> I think if it were a land route, then it might not work
[00:06] <Kitten4u> But I said they had to kill England first so we have tiem
[00:06] <capth> Also, They'll use it to immediately begin an offensive on Shadoweh
[00:07] <Kitten4u> Basically, we'd make a route through the Mediterranean and land a single tank in Adana in the spring
[00:07] <Kitten4u> It's one tank, it wouldnt' be enough
[00:07] <Kitten4u> I get the feeling they've given up on winning and just want to do crazy shit.
[00:07] <capth> Nope!
[00:07] <capth> They haven't given up yet
[00:08] <Kitten4u> So you have talked to them?
[00:08] <capth> Right before their big play
[00:08] <capth> Don't confuse showmanship for sacrificing the game
[00:09] <Kitten4u> Oh, I didn't doubt it with their hilarious convoy
[00:09] <Kitten4u> This came from a TS convo
[00:09] <Kitten4u> I mean, it's possible they still intend to kill me. This is why I said they had to kill England first
[00:10] <capth> Anyway, the only way to convoy to Iran involves stopping for supplies in Cairo
[00:10] <Kitten4u> I told them to move into Norway and let Shadoweh have Tunis
[00:10] <Kitten4u> We can't do it yet
[00:10] <Kitten4u> Italy has to die first
[00:10] <Kitten4u> But there is a clear path from Bar/And to Adana
[00:11] <capth> Yeah, no.
[00:11] <Kitten4u> It's silly, but it would be awesome. And they'd be using our fleets, not theirs
[00:11] <Kitten4u> Meaning they couldn't hold it
[00:12] <capth> I would be willing to convoy them to Syria
[00:13] <capth> But I have to move back into the Easter Med.
[00:13] <Kitten4u> Again, won't be happening in the next few turns
[00:13] <Kitten4u> They need to kill England first
[00:13] <capth> You mean, before Andana?
[00:14] <Kitten4u> Yes. The deal was they kill England, I let them have their convoy shenanigans.
[00:14] <Kitten4u> But England dies first
[00:14] <capth> K
[00:14] <Kitten4u> Like I said, I was lying when I first made the deal, but with all the ANGST floating around I thought it might be fun
[00:14] <capth> K
[00:14] <Kitten4u> So we'll see what happens
[00:15] <capth> K
[00:15] <Kitten4u> As far as I can tell, it would be harmless
[00:15] <capth> And you think they will kill england?
[00:15] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[00:15] <capth> Why?
[00:15] <Kitten4u> If they don't we'll know next turn.
[00:15] <capth> K
[00:16] <Kitten4u> They don't trust PX and they realize they need my support for crazy convoy shenanigans
[00:16] <Kitten4u> They want to convoy into Murmansk at some point too.
[00:16] <capth> On the other hand, they were playing to win
[00:16] <capth> Don't know about now though
[00:17] <Kitten4u> There's one more thing
[00:17] <capth> You know, we can still use PX
[00:17] <Kitten4u> How dangerously do you want to live?
[00:17] <Kitten4u> No, I'm quite certain he leaked my moves to Dorian
[00:17] <capth> Well, duh
[00:17] <capth> I don't mean tell him stuff
[00:17] <Kitten4u>
[00:17] <capth> I mean make it easier for him to do shenanigans with us
[00:17] <Kitten4u> I'd rather just kill him.
[00:17] <capth> Than with Dorian
[00:17] <capth> Me too
[00:18] <capth> Now, about danger
[00:18] <capth> What do you have in mind?
[00:18] <Kitten4u> I'm debating about how much I trust Spain
[00:18] <capth> pfft
[00:18] <capth> "trust"
[00:18] <capth> Sorry
[00:19] <capth> I had a lot of interesting discussions with Spain before.
[00:19] <Kitten4u> Spain is a thing
[00:19] <Kitten4u> But I think they may want to work with us now
[00:19] <capth> I can honestly say that one of us can't trust Spain
[00:19] <Kitten4u> In this case it's this
[00:19] <Kitten4u> Do you think Spain will take Mon or try for Rome?
[00:19] <capth> Oh
[00:20] <capth> I don't know
[00:20] <capth> I don't live dangerously when I'm guarenteed to win territory the safe way
[00:20] <Kitten4u> I have to check the map to make sure I'm looking at this right, but I think there might be room for shenanigans here.
[00:20] <Kitten4u> Shenanigans that would benefit us more long term I think
[00:21] <capth> K
[00:21] <capth> Spain hates Shadoweh.
[00:21] <capth> Because he hates you.
[00:21] <capth> No, that's not true
[00:21] <Kitten4u> No, Spain hates Shadoweh because it's Shadoweh.
[00:21] <capth> He just wants you and your aliance dead.
[00:21] <capth> And Shadoweh
[00:22] <Kitten4u> It looks like we can hold Rome though yeah?
[00:22] <capth> He is also enemies with Dorian
[00:22] <Kitten4u> Mon is a guarenteed capture
[00:22] <capth> If Kasu does what he's told, yes
[00:22] <Kitten4u> More importantly, do you think Italy would let him try to take Rome?
[00:22] <capth> Spain has worked with both France and Italy before.
[00:22] <Kitten4u> Indeed, but if you look at the map Spain clearly wasn't supposed to move into Lig
[00:22] <capth> I think Spain would Support Italy INTO Rome
[00:23] <capth> I have no idea what his status is with Italy, though
[00:23] <Kitten4u> So you think they would let Italy get bigger rather than taking territory himself>
[00:23] <capth> I think he would not mind taking Rome, because it's Shadoweh
[00:24] <capth> He doesn''t have the same active interest in Italian affairs as he does in the Southern mediterranian
[00:24] <capth> He talks twice as much about Egypt as about Italy whenever we talk
[00:24] <capth> He's been consistently gunning for Northern Africa all game
[00:25] <capth> Now, if it were me, I would take Mon.
[00:25] <capth> guarenteed territory, for one
[00:25] <capth> But Spain isn't me
[00:25] <Kitten4u> What I'm looking at is potential long-term benefit
[00:26] <Kitten4u> Right now Shadoweh can only help with fleets
[00:26] <capth> K
[00:26] <Kitten4u> I need to work out the details, but I'm looking at potentially convoying her tank into Venice
[00:26] <capth> Because blocking off my expansion won't cause problems long-term >_>
[00:26] <Kitten4u> Use Apu to support
[00:27] <Kitten4u> Just trade Venice for Naples later
[00:27] <Kitten4u> I'm all about hitting hard and hitting fast.
[00:27] <capth> I cannot convoy this turn
[00:27] <capth> Not into Venice
[00:27] <capth> Using the fleet to take Cro
[00:28] <Kitten4u> This is why I said I need to look at the best way to do things
[00:28] <Kitten4u> I think you might be able to have both
[00:28] <capth> No
[00:28] <Kitten4u> Yes
[00:28] <capth> I will take a guarenteed territory with no risk over 2 lead by luck any day
[00:28] <capth> Still, I'm listening
[00:29] <Kitten4u> I just noticed the possibility
[00:29] <Kitten4u> Cro is lost
[00:30] <Kitten4u> If you don't do it this year I think you should do it next spring
[00:30] <Kitten4u> Let me just see if I can get this to work
[00:30] <Kitten4u> Beause I don't thikn Spain will take Rome
[00:31] <capth> I know Cro is lost
[00:31] <Kitten4u> Right now I also want to say that I'm slightly more focused on Shadoweh's growth since you are bigger than her right now
[00:31] <capth> It is far better, however, to do it this year then next Spring
[00:31] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[00:32] <Kitten4u> I just saw the potential for something a little better and now I'm seeing if I can make it work
[00:32] <Kitten4u> Technically I *can*, but it means I can't move into Austria
[00:33] <capth> Now, if the issue is growth, then I think we need a stronger presense in the Western Mediterranian
[00:33] <capth> I can take care of Southern Europe
[00:33] <Kitten4u> Spain isn't going to be a viable target while they're killing England
[00:33] <capth> But I can'
[00:33] <capth> France?
[00:33] <Kitten4u> So I need to get tanks up there at some point
[00:33] <Kitten4u> Yeah, France and Germany are both viable targets
[00:33] <capth> K
[00:34] <capth> We could use a presense in the Western Mediterranian.
[00:34] <Kitten4u> If Spain doesn't attack England then the story changes, but I'll wait and see there
[00:34] <capth> If Shadoweh isn't on the far side of Italy, then her tanks aren't much more useful then mine in taking Germany
[00:35] <Kitten4u> I'd be willing to let you move through Austria into Sax
[00:35] <Kitten4u> You wouldn't capture anything with that tank, but it would help me against Poland immensly
[00:35] <Kitten4u> But again, I'll see what happens
[00:36] <Kitten4u> That's too far away to predict right now
[00:36] <Kitten4u> I do want Shadoweh's tanks to land somewhere at some point
[00:36] <capth> I agree
[00:36] <capth> If she were to climb wester Italy, that would be immensely helpful
[00:36] <Kitten4u> I looked at it though. I think me taking Austria is more valuable right now
[00:36] <capth> Conq's up for fun, right?
[00:36] <Kitten4u> So just take Croatia as planned. We'll send Shadoweh to eithr Naples or Venice next year
[00:37] <Kitten4u> I think
[00:37] <capth> K
[00:37] <capth> I'm thinking he'd be willing to catapult her where she needs to be, if we make the idea entertaining enough
[00:37] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[00:38] <Kitten4u> Not sure if they'd be willing to do that against France though
[00:38] <capth> K
[00:38] <capth> Honestly, the biggest problem with Venice is that it's already going to be a bottleneck
[00:39] <Kitten4u> Naples is another possibility
[00:39] <capth> Naples I would love, in comparison
[00:39] <Kitten4u> I'll see how this turn shakes out
[00:39] <capth> K
[00:40] <Kitten4u> So yeah, both units support Rome just in case since they have nothing better to do right now.
[00:41] <capth> Sounds good



[17:31] <Kitten4u> Oh hi
[17:31] <Kitten4u> Spain had another proposition for you.
[17:31] <capth> ?
[17:32] <Kitten4u> You let them move into Iran and they'll let you have Norway
[17:32] <capth>
[17:32] <Kitten4u> That was my response.
[17:34] <capth> I'm a litt confused
[17:34] <capth> Is Spain at war with Russia or not?
[17:34] <Kitten4u> This is IN THE FUTURE after they have killed England
[17:34] <Kitten4u> Spain is third party shenanigan bringer
[17:35] <Kitten4u> I think they'll listen to me as long as I promise they can do crazy shit.
[17:37] <capth> K
[17:37] <capth> Is PX still at war with Russia?
[17:37] <Kitten4u> Probably
[17:37] <Kitten4u> I haven't talked to him
[17:37] <Kitten4u> Well, that's not true, we had one conversation, but it was scummy as hell



[21:07] <Kitten4u> o/
[21:08] <capth> Hi
[21:08] <capth> Talking to Dormio
[21:08] <Kitten4u> I noticed something that may be problematic
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Which unit are you taking Cro with?
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Serbia correct?
[21:08] <capth> Tank
[21:08] <capth> Yes
[21:08] <Kitten4u> Alright, do you consider Italy sufficiently dead at this point to be considered "dead"?
[21:09] <Kitten4u> Because I noticed that going with my current moves they may be able to take Hungary
[21:09] <capth> Nope
[21:09] <Kitten4u> I was wondering if you minded if I retreated into Serbia since you said I could have Serbia later
[21:09] <capth> At this point, I consider her an extension of Germany
[21:10] <capth> I don't consider an attack on her much different from an attack on Germany
[21:10] <Kitten4u> Also if you minded if I moved back into the WBS to defend Rum if they did take it
[21:10] <Kitten4u> If they don't take Hungary I'd move back to Sev in the spring
[21:11] <capth> Can this wait a sec? Dormio's explaining his convoy plans
[21:11] <Kitten4u> Sure
[21:11] <Kitten4u> Hurry though, I don't know when the update is coming
[21:11] <Kitten4u> The only move that would change for me is Sev - WBS
[21:11] <Kitten4u> So that's all I need to know quickly
[21:11] <capth> Truth is, I do mind a move into Sev
[21:12] <Kitten4u> Serbia you mean>
[21:12] <capth> I need to move as many units up into Germany as possible
[21:12] <Kitten4u> It's the only place I could retreat though
[21:12] <capth> Anything not moving north is idle
[21:12] <Kitten4u> You could still move stuff through it
[21:12] <Kitten4u> And you could still convoy around it
[21:13] <Kitten4u> I don't want to disband the unit because it would make taking Hungary back difficult
[21:13] <Kitten4u> Again, I would only move into Serbia if they took Hungary. If they don't everything goes back to where it was
[21:14] <capth> First, if they take Hungary then it's no more difficult to take it back regardless of which of our units are in Serb
[21:14] <Kitten4u> But you're taking Cro with Serbia. :S
[21:14] <capth> If I'm in Serb, I support you into Hungary and we retake it, even if your unit disbands
[21:15] <capth> If your in Serb, we retake it with your unit and I support
[21:15] <capth> As long as there is a unit in Serb, it's roughly an equivalent action
[21:15] <capth> And if they take Hungary, something has to get disbanded anyway
[21:15] <Kitten4u> The difference being I lose my hold in Rum
[21:16] <Kitten4u> No, not if I take Serbia
[21:16] <capth> Let me crack open the map
[21:16] <Kitten4u> We did agree that I would get Serbia at some point and that Germany was primarily my target
[21:16] <capth> Yes
[21:16] <Kitten4u> Also, I'm taking Austria anyway
[21:16] <Kitten4u> So
[21:16] <capth> And half my units are on the wrong side of Serb
[21:17] <capth> If you take it now, I wont be as effective against Germany
[21:17] <Kitten4u> How do you plan to get through Austria?
[21:17] <capth> Enter Venice
[21:17] <capth> Take Mil
[21:17] <capth> rush Austria
[21:17] <Kitten4u> Austria will be mine.
[21:18] <capth> Need at least 3 tanks, preferable 4, as quickly as possible in Germany
[21:18] <capth> *units
[21:18] <Kitten4u> No, this is a serious question
[21:18] <capth> Need at least 3 units
[21:18] <Kitten4u> The only way to Germany is through Austria. Austria is mine because I need it for Poland
[21:18] <capth> Alright
[21:18] <Kitten4u> THe only way to deal with it is to let you go through Austria in the spring. I am okay with this
[21:19] <capth> Alright
[21:19] <Kitten4u> Why can't you do the same with Serbia and use your convoys as well?
[21:19] <capth> I can, and I would
[21:19] <capth> I can only convoy 1 unit at I time though
[21:19] <Kitten4u> That's 3 units you can get up there very quickly. 1 through Serbia in the spring, 2 via convoy
[21:19] <Kitten4u> There is Shadoweh as well. You are not fighting this alone
[21:20] <capth> I am alone in the north
[21:20] <capth> I will not have your support
[21:20] <capth> I will not have Shadoweh's support
[21:20] <Kitten4u> No, no you are not
[21:20] <capth> Both of you will be too far away
[21:20] <capth> Your simply blocked by Poland
[21:20] <Kitten4u> Dude, you got to stop thinking like you're the only one doing this. I get that you're the biggest right now
[21:20] <Kitten4u> No
[21:20] <Kitten4u> I can go around Poland. I have been going around Poland
[21:20] <Kitten4u> That's why I can take Austria this turn. :|
[21:21] <capth> Alright
[21:21] <Kitten4u> That's why I don't want to lose Rum
[21:21] <Kitten4u> Or rather my unit trail from Rum
[21:21] <capth> How would you lose Rum?
[21:21] <Kitten4u> I'd lose the unit trail, not the providence
[21:22] <Kitten4u> I'm shuffling all my units in that direction, haven't you noticed?
[21:22] <capth> Yes, I have
[21:22] <capth> I am too
[21:22] <Kitten4u> Though, I could lose it if I lose Hungary AND Podolia
[21:22] <Kitten4u> That's why I want WBS
[21:22] <capth> So to be clear, you want me to not occupy Serbia next turn?
[21:22] <Kitten4u> Yes
[21:22] <capth> I need to resubmit my orders then
[21:23] <Kitten4u> This will only become an issue if they take Hungary. If they do not take Hungary then there are no problems
[21:23] <Kitten4u> k thank
[21:23] <capth> I misunderstood
[21:23] <Kitten4u> s
[21:23] <capth> I thought you were evacuating Hungary into Serbia, and giving it to them
[21:23] <Kitten4u> No
[21:24] <Kitten4u> This is precautionary because I forgot that they *could* take Hungary this turn because of freaken Poland
[21:24] <Kitten4u> Huge oversight on my part. :/
[21:24] <Kitten4u> I thought Poland would either protect Kra, protect Austria or attack Podolia. I completely forgot about hte obvious attack Hungary
[21:25] <Kitten4u> Also, do you mind if I move back to the WBS for this turn just in case? If nothing happens I'll move it back to Sev
[21:25] <capth> Kinda
[21:25] <Kitten4u> I'm in no position to attack you right now.
[21:26] <capth> K
[21:26] <capth> Then do it
[21:26] <Kitten4u> Thanks
[21:27] <Kitten4u> But to make that clear, I'm really not
[21:27] <capth> K
[21:28] <Kitten4u> Shadoweh's units are too far away to help me, I still have to fight Poland and you could easily defend everything you have. I think you're like, almost twice as big as I am too
[21:28] <capth> K
[21:28] <Kitten4u> So don't worry okay? You're my best friend forever! <^_^>
[21:29] <capth> Alright
[21:31] <capth> Incidentally, the orders are resubmitted
[21:31] <Kitten4u>
[21:32] <Kitten4u> Oh, one more thing. Be careful about hitting Germany too hard. That's where Schezo and I are supposed to expand. I'll expect the land to go to us once we can take it. I hope that's understandable?
[21:33] <Kitten4u> It may be better to just move into Sax if I haven't already offed Poland and then focus on France and support our moves like that
[21:33] <capth> Hm...
[21:33] <capth> I need to talk to France
[21:33] <capth> The enemy of my 3rd party whats-it might be my friend
[21:34] <Kitten4u> Wait what? Spain isn't enemies with France
[21:34] <capth> Then who's he attacking?
[21:34] <capth> England?
[21:34] <Kitten4u> They are really good friends actually. :S
[21:34] <capth> Oh
[21:34] <Kitten4u> Spain? Yes
[21:34] <Kitten4u> THat's the idea.
[21:35] <Kitten4u> I've been talking to them both quite a lot as you can probably tell
[21:37] <Kitten4u> Anyway, I want to tell you my focus for the next few turns
[21:37] <Kitten4u> Besides me hopefully not bouncing off of Poland.
[21:37] <capth> K
[21:38] <Kitten4u> Your growth has already been pretty good, so I'm not real worried about you for the time being. Shadoweh however, needs to send some tanks up into Italy/France area
[21:38] <capth> K
[21:39] <Kitten4u> Currently she has two. More would be useful, so I'm going to be slightly more focused on her growth than yours
[21:39] <capth> Alright
[21:40] <Kitten4u> Currently, I'm still liking the exchanging of Venice for Naples. Don't worry, I'll make sure any exchanges don't outright hurt you
[21:40] <capth> K
[21:40] <Kitten4u> That is, you get Venice, and Shadoweh gets Naples so she can start working her way up
[21:40] <capth> K
[21:41] <capth> I don't really need Naples
[21:41] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[21:41] <Kitten4u> I think you having Venice will do more than Shadoweh having Venice though
[21:41] <capth> Definitely
[21:41] <Kitten4u> I figure you'll go that way and Shadoweh will go through the Naples/Tys/Lig route
[21:42] <Kitten4u> The biggest issue I'm having is that I need France a little longer.
[21:42] <capth> Tys? Lig?
[21:42] <Kitten4u> Um the oceans to the west of Italy
[21:42] <capth> Right
[21:43] <Kitten4u> I'd like to use France's fleet in Pic to help Spain take the English Channel
[21:43] <capth> Which is why you don't want to kill France yet
[21:43] <Kitten4u> Meaning, there might be a few turns where you and Shadoweh (possibly me too, but I doubt it tbh) where all you can really do is consolodate
[21:44] <Kitten4u> Yes
[21:44] <Kitten4u> It depends on how fast you kill Italy really
[21:44] <Kitten4u> I just haven't figured out a good way to go about this. I thought I'd let you know now so you could think about it
[21:44] <Kitten4u> Naturally, if Spain doesn't kill England this goes out the window, but I think they will kill England
[21:45] <capth> I think it's better to kill France and let Spain get bogged down in England than to stay idle.
[21:46] <capth> Heck, even if it makes Spain our enemy, England is not really a strong concern
[21:46] <Kitten4u> You say that because England can't do anything to you.
[21:46] <capth> Or you, or Shadoweh
[21:46] <Kitten4u> Schezo and I might as well be the same country at this point
[21:46] <capth> Alright
[21:47] <Kitten4u> I'm thinking about it, I just expected to have made more progress by now.
[21:48] <Kitten4u> I could also just be being paranoid, but we'll see
[21:49] <Kitten4u> I think I'm also just having pre-update angst
[21:49] <Kitten4u> I will be so sad if I made the wrong choices. ;_;
[22:25] <Kitten4u> Anyway, now that I have made my brain fizzle a little, how did negotiations with Spain go?
[22:25] <capth> Confusing
[22:25] <capth> Dormio
[22:25] <capth> Conq made sense though
[22:25] <Kitten4u> Haha


[21:07] <capth> Hello Dormio!
[21:07] <Koishi_Dormeiji> Hello!
[21:07] <Koishi_Dormeiji> Give us Iran in the future!
[21:07] <capth> K4U says you have long term plans involving Iran
[21:07] <Koishi_Dormeiji> We'll trade Norway for it
[21:07] <capth> Yeah, that
[21:08] <Koishi_Dormeiji> Once we kill england
[21:08] <capth> K
[21:08] <Koishi_Dormeiji> we'll have the fleets to convoy from norway to adana
[21:08] <Koishi_Dormeiji> we don't want adana
[21:08] <Koishi_Dormeiji> so in spring we convoy nor -> adana
[21:08] <Koishi_Dormeiji> and then fall adana -> Iran
[21:08] <Koishi_Dormeiji> and you can convoy something to norway while we move adana -> Iran
[21:08] <capth> I don't think that'll work
[21:08] <Koishi_Dormeiji> why not?
[21:09] <Koishi_Dormeiji> once we kill PX we'll have the control of the seas to do that
[21:09] <capth> I don't think you can convoy through the land masses
[21:09] <Koishi_Dormeiji> no
[21:09] <Koishi_Dormeiji> you can go all the way around
[21:10] <Koishi_Dormeiji> nor -> nth -> ec -> mao -> sao -> sog -> wm -> tyr -> mal -> lib sea -> em -> adana
[21:10] <Koishi_Dormeiji> and one of your armies can take the reverse route
[21:10] <Koishi_Dormeiji> though it might need something in ion
[21:12] <Koishi_Dormeiji> anyway, dots
[21:12] <Koishi_Dormeiji> Looking forward to working with you in the future
[21:13] <capth> Alright, we'll talk about this later. I'm talking to you and kitten at the same time right now, so I'm a little divided
[21:13] <Koishi_Dormeiji> yeah I need to play dots now anyway so I'll be unresponsive
[21:13] <Koishi_Dormeiji> ttyl



[21:35] <capth> Hey Conq.
[21:35] <capth> What's your position on England?
[21:35] <Conq> lulz
[21:36] <Conq> England is untrustworthy
[21:36] <Conq> Why?
[21:36] <capth> I mean, who are you going to be fighting?
[21:36] <Conq> Oh
[21:36] <Conq> England.
[21:36] <Conq> Don't tell him though. >_>
[21:36] <capth> Sure
[21:37] <capth> But I have no idea how.
[21:37] <capth> I mean, how you would be able to fight him
[21:38] <Conq> Because he doesn't expect it.
[21:38] <Conq> Also we have some sort of deal with K4U
[21:39] <capth> I know why, I'm kind of wondering how you'll get the units there
[21:39] <Conq> It'll be a slog, yes.
[21:40] <Conq> Presumably France will help
[21:40] <Conq> Eventually
[21:40] <capth> OK.



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[16:31] <PX_TimeforDeath> UK in Dormio Tabl
[16:31] <PX_TimeforDeath> Ahahaha
[16:32] <Hero999>
[16:34] <UncertainKitten> It's gonna be a battle of the ages
[16:34] <UncertainKitten> Cat Magic vs. Dormio luck
[16:34] <PX_TimeforDeath> all in on first hand
[16:35] <UncertainKitten> To be fair I DID have a flush
[16:35] <UncertainKitten> And figured he had the straight
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[16:39] <Hero999>
[16:39] <ActionDan> so wwhat is this place
[16:39] <PX_TimeforDeath> :\
[16:39] <PX_TimeforDeath> Why did you quit?
[16:39] <Polaris> the cool people channel
[16:39] <PX_TimeforDeath>
[16:39] <PX_TimeforDeath> just do this
[16:39] <Hero999> the derpers as well?
[16:39] <PX_TimeforDeath> /join #poker-table4
[16:39] <ActionDan> type it in
[16:39] <ActionDan> OHHH!
[16:39] <ActionDan> I get it
[16:40] <PX_TimeforDeath>
[16:41] <UncertainKitten> IT SEEMS OUR BATTLE TO THE DEATH WILL WAIT, ACTION DAN!
[16:41] <ActionDan> That it shall
[16:41] <ActionDan> be be certain I will win the war
[16:41] <ActionDan> if not the battle
[16:42] <UncertainKitten> Hahahaha
[16:42] <UncertainKitten> Righhhhhhhttttt
[16:42] <ActionDan> chess smack talk is so much easier
[16:46] <ActionDan> gotta go
[16:46] <ActionDan> ^^
[16:46] <ActionDan> its been fun
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[16:25] <capth> Hey Shadoweh, I was hoping to talk to you about diplomacy
[16:25] <WMShadoweh> Okidays
[16:26] <WMShadoweh> The words of today are FFFFFFFF SPAIN
[16:26] <capth> I'm not surprised
[16:26] <capth> Kitten spent a good 30 minutes trying to convince me that he somehow decided to work with her
[16:27] <capth> Still, after all the work she did convincing me this wouldn't happen, it kind of surprised me that it did
[16:27] <capth> Anyway, here's what I think
[16:27] <WMShadoweh> She thought he was >.>
[16:27] <WMShadoweh> She underestimated them it seems.
[16:27] <capth> We need to make our front have the most effective units possible
[16:28] <WMShadoweh> Indeed
[16:28] <capth> We both have units in the back that we can't do anything with, so the priority is to put the right units in the front
[16:29] <WMShadoweh> Yeah.
[16:29] <capth> I think we need a tank in Lybia
[16:29] <capth> One in the western sahara would also help
[16:29] <capth> I think either a tank or a plane would be useful in rome
[16:29] <capth> And I think that Nap's needs a navy
[16:31] <capth> I think that the ground units in Africa will help us cut off Tsun's support and force Conq to defend Morocco
[16:31] <capth> I think the navy in Naps will help us move units up France's west coast
[16:31] <capth> And I think the tank in Rome will help us take Venice
[16:31] <capth> Now, how should we work this out?
[16:34] <capth> Shadoweh?
[16:34] <WMShadoweh> I'm looking at the map
[16:35] <WMShadoweh> The navy in Rome is actually useful this turn because of Spain's navy forces. It's annoying. I helped him get here and now we want to kick him back out. I think we were planning to move the plane up to Lig
[16:36] <capth> Understood
[16:37] <capth> Is it possible for me to destroy my own units by attacking them myself?
[16:37] <WMShadoweh> No, sadly you can't force your own units out of provinces
[16:38] <capth> Then I'll have to convoy my tank out
[16:38] <capth> I have a terrible idea of the best way to do that which you'll hate
[16:38] <WMShadoweh> Oh dear
[16:39] <capth> Actually, NVM, it won't work
[16:39] <capth> So I should probably convoy it back to one of my own providences
[16:40] <capth> The thought was that, if I were to convoy it into Lybia, I could move it into the Western Sahara next turn, and we'd have our 2 tanks
[16:40] <capth> But you can get the tanks there anyway, without me doing that
[16:40] <capth> So I can just convoy it to the back, and retake the province the turn after
[16:41] <WMShadoweh> Yeah. Actually, I was thinking of supporting your fleet into Maltese, letting your fleet in Aegean get personally involved. Convoy shenanigans are good, but effectively a bunch of fleets aren't doing much
[16:42] <capth> I would do that, but I think that Africa is a vulnerability to Conq
[16:43] <capth> I think we would be best served getting come ground units down there
[16:43] <capth> *some
[16:44] <WMShadoweh> It would, but I can't really move my fleet in Libya... hmm
[16:44] <WMShadoweh> Or I could
[16:45] <capth> I can support it
[16:45] <WMShadoweh> I like that idea
[16:45] <WMShadoweh> You support my fleet up to Maltese. I support my tank into Libya
[16:45] <capth> K
[18:02] <capth> Talking to Germany. Dorian is scum.
[18:02] == No such nick/channel: WMShadoweh
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> Bloody net.
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> ?
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> <WMShadoweh> I might
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> <WMShadoweh> What is of the up?
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> <Dorian> Well I was wondering if there isn't a way for us to cooperate.
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> <WMShadoweh> You want to help me kill Italy? Okay!
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> <Dorian> I really dislike the idea but if that is the price to get your help against Turkey then fine.
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> <WMShadoweh> ...Really?
[18:11] <WMShadoweh> <Dorian> I feel really terribal even thinking about it but I can't paly the game without playing the game, can I?
[18:12] <capth> Right, copying what I was saying into here
[18:12] <capth> Super long term plans - "Too far away to tell"
[18:12] <capth> Short term plans -
[18:12] <capth> [17:59] <capth> Alright, then when France is dead and you no longer border Ukraine, then what?
[18:12] <capth> [17:59] <capth> That may only be 1 year into the future
[18:13] <capth> [18:02] <Dorian> Then I could have the freedom to turn against Poland.
[18:13] <capth> There are SO many things I don't trust about that.
[18:13] <capth> It's extremely carefully wored, and doesn't make any sense strategically
[18:13] <capth> *worded
[18:14] <capth> I think, well I guess it's obvious, Dorian is trying to get some infighting going on and just take us all out
[18:14] <capth> Shadoweh?
[18:16] <WMShadoweh> yeah
[18:17] <WMShadoweh> He's trying to play the game. I don't blame him for it. ^^
[18:19] <capth> I know he is.
[18:20] <capth> I am a little annoyed about it, though.
[18:20] <capth> I mean, I do stay on friendly terms with everyone I can, but I don't try to turn them on eachother.
[18:21] <capth> Though turning Dan on Germany right now would be fun.
[18:21] <WMShadoweh> It seems dishonest? It's risky to tell people different stories.
[18:21] <capth> Since he hasn't actually succeeded
[18:21] <WMShadoweh> I don't get annoyed at people for trying things in the rules of the game.
[18:22] <capth> Did you know that cheating is allowed in some variations of Diplomacy?
[18:22] <WMShadoweh> What kind of cheating?
[18:23] <capth> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diplomacy/Rules#Cheating
[18:23] <capth> Unlike most games, cheating of any type is acceptable in some circles of players. Orders can be looked at without the writer's authorization, intercepted, and be changed without the writer's authorization. Another form of cheating is intentional spying on other players' conversations. In face to face play conversations can also be overheard unintentionally. Some players refrain from cheating altogether believing such strategy is usually shortsighted. [citation neede
[18:25] <WMShadoweh> The part where you steal other people's orders is pretty :/
[18:28] <capth> I assume to do that, you'd have to submit another player's orders for them
[18:29] <WMShadoweh> "Yeah capth totally told me he was convoying me into his own province."
[18:29] <capth>


[18:08] <capth> Hi Shadoweh.
[18:08] <capth> Talking to Dorian.
[18:08] <capth> Germany is scum.
[18:08] <Shadoweh> He totally is
[18:09] <Shadoweh> Does he want you to help kill me?
[18:09] <capth> Nope, ally with you, kill Kitten
[18:09] <Shadoweh> But he's trying to get me to kill you.. that would be a really short alliance
[18:09] <capth> Really.
[18:10] <capth> ...
[18:10] <capth> I absolutely believe you, because I asked him what his future plans were
[18:10] <capth> His far future plans are a long silence, followed by a "too far away to know"
[18:11] <capth> His plans for next year if I help him are "then I can kill Poland"
[18:11] <capth> No,m actually, it was extremely weel worded



[17:22] <Dorian> Hi there, do you have a moment?
[17:22] <capth> Yep
[17:22] <capth> Well, not at the moment, playing a game
[17:22] <capth> Give me a sec
[17:23] <Dorian> No problem.^^
[17:28] <capth> Sorry about that
[17:28] <capth> Now, what's up?
[17:29] <Dorian> I was wondering, is there really nothing that could bring you to team up with me?
[17:29] <capth> Actually, lots of things
[17:30] <capth> The real problem is the two fronts
[17:31] <capth> Are you proposing something?
[17:31] <Dorian> Do you mean my fronts or your?
[17:31] <capth> Mine
[17:31] <capth> My 2 fronts, if I were to join you
[17:32] <Dorian> It doesn't have to be two at last not at the same time.
[17:33] <capth> I'm listening
[17:34] <Dorian> I think you can turn against Kitten and still keep your alliance with Shadoweh.
[17:37] <capth> I think you are correct
[17:37] <capth> But only by force
[17:37] <capth> I don't think I can keep Shadoweh out of it because she wants to be out of it
[17:38] <Dorian> I'm not sure if I understand.
[17:39] <capth> Shadoweh will likely attack me if she can, if I attack Kitten
[17:40] <capth> She may stay out of it if it's not practical
[17:40] <capth> But she is definitely allies with Kitten
[17:42] <capth> Anyway, there's another issue at stake.
[17:42] <capth> If I do attack, then what?
[17:42] <Dorian> Well I think that we can bring her to join us against Kitten if we have a good plan for it.
[17:42] <capth> I mean, we attack, we win.
[17:42] <capth> Who would you fight next?
[17:44] <Dorian> My first problem is France, I can't do anything as long as he is in my back.
[17:45] <capth> He looks like he'll be dead in 2 turns
[17:47] <Dorian> That's correct but then I have kitten in a superior postion against me.
[17:56] <capth> Dorian?
[17:56] <Dorian> Yes?
[17:56] <capth> So once Ukraine is dead, then what?
[17:56] <capth> What would you do?
[17:58] <Dorian> That is too far in the future to be proper predictable.
[17:59] <capth> Alright, then when France is dead and you no longer border Ukraine, then what?
[17:59] <capth> That may only be 1 year into the future
[18:02] <Dorian> Then I could have the freedom to turn against Poland.
[18:02] <capth> ...
[18:04] <Dorian> It's really hard to tell without knowing the exact circumstances.
[18:06] <Dorian> Or do you have a better plan?
[18:06] <capth> The problem is that if I were to invade Ukraine, I would need Poland's support.
[18:09] <Dorian> It seems that I stared already too long on the map today.^^;
[18:15] <Dorian> Well I try to come up with something, just give me time to clear my mind first.
[18:15] <capth> Alright.
[18:16] <Dorian> By the way what do you think of Kittens "BFF ending"?
[18:17] <capth> Well...
[18:17] <capth> I don't think it's pheasable with Schezo alive
[18:18] <capth> However, it has been a long time since I talked to Russia.
[18:20] <Dorian> Well, talking with Schezo is a waste of time for me.
[18:21] <capth> Why?
[18:22] <Dorian> 90% of what he says is stuff from Kitten and the remaining sounds as he didn't even looked at the map.
[18:23] <capth> Yeah, that's Schezo
[18:24] <Dorian> And Shadoweh calls me a parrot.^^;
[18:26] <capth> Schezo is untrustworthy to the core.
[18:27] <Dorian> Forever scum I know.
[18:38] <Dorian> Well I think this will do for now, maybe I talk with Shadoweh later to see what she things about it.
[18:39] <capth> Alright, sounds good!
[18:41] <Dorian> I talked with her already to see if I could turn her against you.^^;
[18:41] <capth> I know
[18:43] <Dorian> That says already everything about how successful I was.^^;
[19:35] <Dorian> What I still don't get is, you said that you were concerned about Kitten and Shadoweh, correct?
[19:41] <capth> Yes
[19:44] <Dorian> Well then what made you think that taking down one of the few countries that could help you there would be a good idea?
[19:44] <capth> You mean Italy?
[19:44] <Dorian> Exactly
[19:46] <capth> Because I already had plans laid out.
[19:48] <Dorian> I mean it's kinda funny when I think about it.
[19:50] <Dorian> You are currently the biggest "fish" here but when it comes to this problem then you are as helpless as before.
[19:51] <capth> Look, Dorian,
[19:51] <Dorian> Yes?
[19:51] <capth> Actually, NVM
[19:52] <capth> It's not playing diplomacy properly to tell you what I really think
[19:56] <Dorian> Hey spreading rumors and misinformation is one thing, but do you think that I lie all the time?
[19:57] <capth> I think if I align myself with you, you will kill me once Kitten is dead.
[19:57] <capth> I don't see anywhere else you can expand other than your current allies
[19:59] <capth> Unless you're willing to act against you current allies, it will be hard for me to picture an outcome where killing Kitten leads to my victory
[20:06] <Dorian> That's true, well I said that I will try to work something out, I should have at last the basic idea tomorrow, and then you can see for yourself if it could work or not.
[20:07] <capth> Alright.
[20:11] <Dorian> By the way is Kitten really as dictatorial as I heard?
[20:12] <capth> She's a pain.
[20:15] <Dorian> Then I assume she doesn't need to know the content of this discussion.
[20:15] <capth> Nope
[20:17] <Dorian> Good, now all I need is a inspiration.
[00:20] <Dorian> So time to go, see you around.
[00:20] <capth> Night
v


[22:00] <capth> Um, are we going to talk to dan?
[22:02] <Schezo> Hmm, no I think I can get this, Poland is in a much worse position than I am to attack Ukraine
[22:02] <Schezo> plu that whole 5 years of "arrgh die" to "let's be friends"
[22:03] <capth> This is pretty much your only chance if that's your plan
[22:03] <capth> I mean, you have an excuse now
[22:03] <capth> You won't in a year



[20:05] <capth> Hey Dan, how's Poland
[20:07] <capth> I wanted to ask you about your relationship with England and Spain.
[20:07] <capth> Does it exist?
[20:11] <ActionDan> oh
[20:11] <ActionDan> um
[20:11] <ActionDan> I mean
[20:11] <capth> Back in a sec, in a card game
[20:11] <ActionDan> what are you thinking
[20:11] <ActionDan> kk
[20:18] <capth> Back?
[20:18] <capth> I mean back
[20:18] <ActionDan> k
[20:18] <capth> Wanna play poker while we talk?
[20:18] <ActionDan> sure why not
[20:18] <ActionDan> what room
[20:19] <capth> #yakumopoker
[20:20] <capth> Anyway, I was talking to Schezo
[20:20] <ActionDan> k
[20:20] <capth> He's kind of desperate right now, but he's a terrible negotiator
[20:20] <ActionDan> I mean there is nothing
[20:20] <ActionDan> you can do for him
[20:20] <capth> Alright
[20:20] <ActionDan> imo
[20:21] <capth> I agree
[20:21] <ActionDan> what did he want anyway
[20:21] <capth> Nothing.
[20:21] <ActionDan> lol
[20:21] <ActionDan> are you trying to negotiate for him
[20:21] <capth> He said he couldn't ally with you against England because he doubted you would ever accept
[20:21] <ActionDan>
[20:22] <ActionDan> I mean I fully expect an attack
[20:22] <ActionDan> by both Russia and Ukraine again
[20:22] <capth> Probably
[20:22] <ActionDan> its not that I wouldnt help eventually
[20:22] <ActionDan> its that I cant help
[20:23] <ActionDan> even if I wanted to'
[20:23] <capth> I understand
[20:23] <ActionDan> all my forces are tied up
[20:27] <ActionDan> Imo this game will be a race
[20:27] <capth> ?
[20:27] <ActionDan> either
[20:27] <ActionDan> Italy dies first
[20:28] <ActionDan> or Russia
[20:28] <capth> Nah, I'm not to worried about it.
[20:28] <ActionDan> as in
[20:28] <capth> Call me sentimental, since Russia gave me Georgia
[20:29] <ActionDan> oh
[20:29] <ActionDan> I too think Russia will fall slower
[20:56] <ActionDan> So we're agreed thne
[20:56] <capth> Agreed on what?
[20:56] <ActionDan> Exactly
[20:57] <capth> K
[20:57] <ActionDan> I hope evrything will work out next phase




[19:31] <capth> Hello
[19:39] <Kitten4u> o/
[19:40] <capth> Playing yugioh. Back soon.
[19:40] <Kitten4u> I have to go do something real quick. I'll be back in about an hour
[19:40] <Kitten4u> Feel free to ramble here while I"m gone
[19:40] <capth> Wanted to ask about Hungary, since we won't be able to hold it, and Venice as well
[19:53] <capth> Alright, back
[20:28] <Kitten4u> I assume you mean Austria? Hungary is fine
[20:29] <capth> Right
[20:29] <capth> I would like to know our plans
[20:29] <capth> I might need to do anything that will get me a tank in Rome
[20:30] <capth> Depending on the outcome
[20:30] <capth> Well, not anything
[20:30] <Kitten4u> A tank in Rome is not necissary
[20:30] <capth> Good
[20:30] <Kitten4u> My current thoughts are this:
[20:31] <Kitten4u> Shadoweh gets Lig (Tys-Lig, Rom supports), you attack Venice
[20:31] <Kitten4u> If you do that then only one tank (the one in Naples) is needed to support Rome
[20:31] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > It's your turn.
[20:31] <Kitten4u> So you will have three units that can attack Venice
[20:32] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > Your cards are: Jc 2d
[20:32] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > Your cards are: Jc 2d
[20:32] <Kitten4u> Beyond that, what you discussed with Shadoweh already looks fine to me
[20:33] <Kitten4u> Also, Schezo is disbanding Rostov, so you don't need to keep that fleet in Geo anymore if you can think of something more useful to do with it
[20:34] <capth> Well, actually, not really
[20:34] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > Your cards are: Qh 2h
[20:34] <Kitten4u> Yeah, it be kind of cramped down there
[20:34] <capth> I mean, besides move into Nap
[20:34] <capth> With a fleet
[20:34] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > It's your turn.
[20:34] <Kitten4u> You might need it eventually, but I agree, I don't see much you can do with it right now
[20:37] <Kitten4u> As for my suggestion on which to take it with I actually recommend Apu. I may not be able to hold Austria, but we can make them sweat about it if you do that.
[20:38] <Kitten4u> Venice would have to disband, so Rome wouldn't be in any danger after that I don't think
[20:38] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > It's your turn.
[20:38] <capth> Apu...
[20:38] <capth> Sounds good
[20:39] <Kitten4u> I think the only danger is Italy getting Tys, but that can be dealt with
[20:39] <Kitten4u> Actually, no, even that would be 2v2
[20:39] <Kitten4u> With just Naples and Rome mean
[20:41] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > It's your turn.
[20:41] <capth> You mean, the Tyrrinean Sea?
[20:41] <Kitten4u> Yeh
[20:41] <capth> Yeah, I don't think that's an issua
[20:51] <Kitten4u> Oh, I thought of one more thing too
[20:51] <Kitten4u> If you do want to help Schezo and I with Poland/Germany it might be worth building some wings since they can safely waltz into allied territory
[20:52] <Kitten4u> And I'll be moving out of WBS this spring as promised
[20:52] <Kitten4u> And probably the most important thing, Dorian and PX are clearly trying to get us to fight each other
[20:52] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > It's your turn.
[20:52] <Kitten4u> They've both asked me if I wanted to kill you and Schezo. >__>
[20:53] <capth> What can I say
[20:53] <capth> Dorian is scum
[20:53] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[20:53] <Kitten4u> Us fighting each other is really the only chance he has
[20:54] <Kitten4u> I outright refused both offers, so I can't get any decent informaiton out of them, but I didn't think I would anyway
[20:54] <Kitten4u> Would get any reliable espionage I mean
[20:55] <capth> I'm having fun
[20:55] <Kitten4u> I can tell. Shadoweh's sent me a few of the logs.
[20:55] <capth> Gauging whether I can get him to turn on Spain
[20:55] <Kitten4u> Spain is a little far away...but I suppose it's worth a shot. It'll be funny anyway
[20:56] <capth> I'm assuming France is dead
[20:56] <Kitten4u> Ah yes
[20:56] <capth> Could be wrong, but it would take a miracle
[20:56] <Kitten4u> I'm going to try to get him to be annoying for a little while if I can though.
[20:56] <capth> Also, the geographically farthest place from me his units could be
[20:56] <Kitten4u> If Shadoweh gets Lig he might be able to hold Mar and Mon
[20:57] <Kitten4u> He would lose Par and Bor, but uh, I don't think those can be saved.
[20:58] <Kitten4u> Also, I'm trying to get Spain to take Tunis
[20:58] <capth> How will that work?
[20:58] <capth> I mean, they probably would do it anyway
[20:58] <Kitten4u> Well they could take it really easily right now
[21:00] <Kitten4u> If Spain DOES take Tunis like I want that'll help your case that Dorian should kill them methinks
[21:00] <capth> Alright.
[21:00] <capth> I'm not sure though.
[21:01] <capth> The case is pretty much "Why should I team up with you when you'll go after me next?"
[21:01] <capth> Kind of figured I could start some infighting with that.
[21:01] <Kitten4u> Haha
[21:01] <Kitten4u> Go for it.
[21:02] <Kitten4u> I'm certainly trying to stir up stuff myself
[21:02] <capth> K
[21:02] <Kitten4u> I told PX he could get 2-3 SCs if he attacked Germany this year too
[21:02] <Kitten4u> And I'm right, he totally could
[21:02] <Kitten4u> There isn't anything Dorian can do about it
[21:02] <capth> It might be in the wording
[21:03] <Kitten4u> I don't think he'll go for it personally, but I'm certainly going to try.
[21:03] <capth> Make it sound funny.
[21:03] <capth> Or better yet, have someone he doesn't distrust say it
[21:04] <Kitten4u> Well, I told Spain about it, but I dunno what they'll do with it
[21:04] <capth> "Hey, It's be hilarious if you convoyed everything directly into Germany this year
[21:04] <Kitten4u> No convoys. It's all fleet based
[21:04] <capth> SUPER BETRAYAL!
[21:04] <capth> BETRAYAL HIGH SCORE
[21:04] <Kitten4u> Though I guess they could convoy Spain again if htey really wanted to.
[21:05] <capth> You have to compete with Coqnq, he's beating you!
[21:05] <capth> Like, a personal victory condition of making every country in the world want to kill you
[21:05] <Kitten4u> Haha
[21:09] <capth> Dorian telling me all his plans for invading Russia for some reason
[21:09] <Kitten4u> I am interested, tell me more.
[21:10] <capth> Oh same old, same old
[21:10] <capth> Going up the south, ignoring the north
[21:10] <Kitten4u> Through the water around Scandinavia right?
[21:11] <capth> Right, not through the Barents
[21:12] <capth> Kind of surprised.
[21:12] <Kitten4u> Interesting. I figured England would head up there
[21:12] <capth> He's considering it still
[21:12] <capth> Between you and me, it's the obvious move.
[21:12] <capth> I'm a slow and steady kind of guy
[21:12] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I figured they'd attack from both directions
[21:12] <Kitten4u> Mostly because they'd kind of need to.
[21:13] <capth> Well, actually, it's in the wording
[21:13] <capth> [21:01] <Dorian> The only way to make some progress is to force schezo out of the Baltic Sea and to claim the Gulf of Bothnia.
[21:13] <capth> [21:02] <Dorian> Needless to say that this requires a lot of force.
[21:14] <capth> [21:03] <capth> So you're ramming up the Baltic sea to help them.
[21:14] <capth> [21:06] <Dorian> That was at last my idea, the other way would be to move a fleet up to the Barents sea.
[21:14] <capth> I'm bad with wording, does that sound like a northern invasion to you?
[21:14] <Kitten4u> I still figure they'll do both personally
[21:15] <Kitten4u> He's wrong about it being hard to kick Schezo out of the Baltic though, so I dn't know why he's pretending like it is. He can't hold the Baltic
[21:15] <capth> Actually
[21:15] <capth> You're right
[21:16] <capth> He can't hold the Baltic
[21:16] <capth> I think the force is for Bothnia
[21:17] <Kitten4u> Yeah, probably
[21:17] <Kitten4u> I still need to figure out how I want to play this
[21:17] <Kitten4u> I don't know how dangerously I want to live
[21:18] <Kitten4u> Technically he *can* hold it at the expense of offence
[21:18] <Kitten4u> But even then I think it would only be temporary
[21:18] <Kitten4u> Well, unless PX backstabs him, but I still consider that extremely unlikely
[21:19] <capth> [21:15] <capth> You know, PX is foreverscum right?
[21:19] <capth> [21:15] <capth> He'll do whatever he finds most entertaining, reguardless of personal outcome
[21:20] <Kitten4u> I think he wants to kill me though.
[21:20] <capth> Yep.
[21:21] <Kitten4u> So yeah, I'll believe he'll backstab Germany when I see it
[21:21] <capth> Maybe we can convince him to kill you by driving straight through Germany
[21:21] <Kitten4u> Haha
[21:21] <capth> The shortest distance between to points is using the autobon
[21:22] <Kitten4u> I don't think it'll happen, but I'm certainly trying
[21:22] <capth> You know, I'm curious about your technique
[21:24] <Kitten4u> My thing has always been try to get people to do things for mutual benefit
[21:24] <capth> Nah, I mean as a whole. Do you save your logs?
[21:24] <Kitten4u> Occasionally I'll offer bad deals and try to dress them up as good, but I think *most* of them are good
[21:24] <Kitten4u> Yeah
[21:25] <capth> I've noticed.
[21:50] <Kitten4u> Anyway, did you want those logs? They're kind of long and I don't think they're that interesting personally, but I could dig a few of them up
[21:51] <capth> Not particularly
[21:51] <Kitten4u> k
[21:51] <capth> But you make them sound interesting
[21:51] <Kitten4u> Haha
[21:55] <Kitten4u> I just consider the actual Diplomacy part more interesting than moving around the board
[21:55] <Kitten4u> It's part of why I talk to everyone.
[21:55] <capth> I do to, somewhat



[19:44] <Dorian> Hi there
[19:44] <capth> Hi.
[19:44] <capth> Playing yugioh. done in 10 minutes
[19:44] <Dorian> So I talked with Shadoweh and she seems to be fine if you want to team up with me.
[19:53] <capth> I'm here again
[19:54] <Dorian> And about you question where I will turn to after we are done with France, well I think I need at last another year to reorganize my units.
[19:57] <capth> So, once France is dead, you have no plans?
[19:57] <capth> Nah, that doesn't sound right
[19:58] <capth> StillTell me, how close are you to Spain?
[19:58] <capth> alliance-wise, I mean
[19:59] <Dorian> Things are quite hard to predict for me this game.
[20:00] <capth> You sure pick your wording carefully
[20:02] <Dorian> Spain would be indeed the most likly candidate I turn against.
[20:05] <Dorian> Sorry I'm just too tired to come up with the fitting phrasing in time.^^;
[20:05] <capth> Isn't it like 4AM in Germany?
[20:06] <Dorian> No it's 2am right now.
[20:07] <capth> Right
[20:12] <Dorian> Well the point is that England and Spain have better relations among each other than they have with me.
[20:12] <capth> I suspected as much
[20:12] <capth> After the catapult
[20:15] <Dorian> I have still a better chance to hold the alliance with England cause PX still need my help against Russia.
[20:16] <capth> You mean Dan?
[20:16] <capth> Or he needs you to not attack him?
[20:21] <Dorian> No I was talking about PX, he will need my support or Schezo could bring his invasion to stagnate.
[20:22] <capth> You mean Dan's help, right?
[20:24] <Dorian> Dan isn't really able to help, so no I meant my help.
[20:26] <capth> I'm not sure I follow
[20:26] <capth> I mean, I guess you could work your way into the bay
[20:27] <capth> I mean gulf
[20:28] <Dorian> Dans fleet and wing are busy holding, my wing was meant to keep Schezos units busy.
[20:42] <Dorian> Well let me try it this way, PX will move his army Nor - Lap next turn to support Spains Swe - Fin move, right?
[20:43] <capth> Um, let me look it up on the map
[20:44] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > Your cards are: 4c Ts
[20:44] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > It's your turn.
[20:44] <capth> That makes sense
[20:45] -Yakumo_Ran- #YakumoPoker > It's your turn.
[20:50] <Dorian> But it would leave Swe empty and I think it needs two supports to ensure that the next unit gets in.
[20:53] <capth> I think I see what you're doing
[20:53] <Dorian> Well I'm not 100% sure but I think it's right.
[20:54] <Dorian> What do you think?
[20:54] <capth> You mean taking it slow and steady?
[20:55] <Dorian> It's the only way I see.
[20:55] <capth> Well, don't be surprised if Schezo decides to cut off you support and turtle it out
[20:57] <Dorian> Schezos army will go up to Mur and support the hold of Fin next turn.
[20:58] <capth> Yeah, that would make sense
[21:01] <Dorian> The only way to make some progress is to force schezo out of the Baltic Sea and to claim the Gulf of Bothnia.
[21:02] <Dorian> Needless to say that this requires a lot of force.
[21:03] <capth> So you're ramming up the Baltic sea to help them.
[21:06] <Dorian> That was at last my idea, the other way would be to move a fleet up to the Barents sea.
[21:07] <capth> Hmmm...
[21:08] <capth> Well, it will take a while to detour up there
[21:08] <capth> *would
[21:10] <Dorian> Either he needs my help or his forces would be to spread to turn against me, the result is the same.
[21:10] <capth> You mean England?
[21:10] <capth> Right
[21:11] <Dorian> Indeed
[21:15] <capth> You know, PX is foreverscum right?
[21:15] <capth> He'll do whatever he finds most entertaining, reguardless of personal outcome
[21:19] <Dorian> You are aware that you talking with at last a half of Bathory here?
[21:19] <capth>
[21:27] <Dorian> However, I would like to continue my cooperation with England but like I said it's quite hard to tell which alliance will hold and which will break up.
[21:28] <capth> I understand
[21:28] <capth> Spain and England seem to have a common cause
[21:31] <Dorian> That is true but will it be still true in two years?
[21:32] <capth> Well, no, it probably won't when England gets revenge on Spain for Africa
[21:35] <Dorian> Or maybe when PX realized that the Spanish army he convoyed stands more in his way than it helps.
[21:35] <capth> That too
[21:41] <Dorian> Well it's getting late, do you think that we have here a foundation for an alliance?
[21:41] <capth> I think so!
[21:45] <Dorian> Excellent, then we have the next tree days time to work out a specific strategy.
[21:46] <capth> K
[21:52] <Dorian> So then I say good night, I'll be on for a bit longer but likely not too long.
[21:52] <capth> K, Night!



[13:42] <capth> Hey kitten!
[13:42] <capth> Forgot Australia is a day ahead of me. Submitting orders
[13:43] <capth> Is Nap supporting Rome or is it free to do whatever it wants?



[16:50] <capth> Hey shadoweh, do you need support in Rome?
[16:50] <WMShadoweh> Uhm, I hope not, but you aren't doing anything else with the tank yet are you?
[16:50] <capth> Moving it to Apu
[16:51] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, that should be fine
[16:51] <capth> K
[16:51] <WMShadoweh> As long as my wing gets support that's all that matters
[16:51] <capth> Wait, your Wing?
[16:51] <capth> I thought I was supporting your navy into the Lybian sea?
[16:52] <capth> I mean, into the Maltese sea
[16:52] <capth> from Lybia
[16:53] <capth> Hello?
[16:54] <WMShadoweh> Oh right
[16:54] <WMShadoweh> I'm supporting my wing
[16:54] <WMShadoweh> I CAN READ



[16:50] <capth> Hey shadoweh, do you need support in Rome?
[16:50] <WMShadoweh> Uhm, I hope not, but you aren't doing anything else with the tank yet are you?
[16:50] <capth> Moving it to Apu
[16:51] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, that should be fine
[16:51] <capth> K
[16:51] <WMShadoweh> As long as my wing gets support that's all that matters
[16:51] <capth> Wait, your Wing?
[16:51] <capth> I thought I was supporting your navy into the Lybian sea?
[16:52] <capth> I mean, into the Maltese sea
[16:52] <capth> from Lybia
[16:53] <capth> Hello?
[16:54] <WMShadoweh> Oh right
[16:54] <WMShadoweh> I'm supporting my wing
[16:54] <WMShadoweh> I CAN READ
[17:18] <capth> Yo, Shadoweh
[17:18] <capth> I wanted to ask you about Dorian
[17:22] <capth> Hello?
[17:22] <WMShadoweh> Whatchu wann ask?
[17:22] <capth> [19:44] <Dorian> So I talked with Shadoweh and she seems to be fine if you want to team up with me.
[17:22] <capth> ?
[17:22] <WMShadoweh> Yes, that is what I told him. B)
[17:23] <WMShadoweh> I think we already talked about how suspicious his offer was in the first place
[17:23] <capth> Yep
[17:23] <capth> Did Kitten tell you about a ceasefire with Germany?
[17:25] <WMShadoweh> Yeah, don't know how well that'll work
[17:26] <capth> Why is there a cease fire?
[17:30] <WMShadoweh> Kitten's reasoning is if Germany doesn't attack her this turn she can end Poland
[17:30] <WMShadoweh> I have no idea what Germany's reasoning is
[17:30] <capth> He can end France
[17:31] <WMShadoweh> That's silly of him, but okay



[17:16] <Dorian> Hi there
[17:16] <capth> Hi
[17:16] <Dorian> Do you have a moment?
[17:16] <capth> 20 minutes or so, but I can stay around longer
[17:17] <capth> If necessary
[17:19] <Dorian> Well then straight to the point, you know of the ceasefire I arranged with Kitten?
[17:19] <capth> Nope
[17:20] <Dorian> She didn't tell you much about what she does, did she?
[17:21] <capth> I don't know much about her plans in the north
[17:23] <Dorian> Well the ceasefire is among Kitten, Schezo and me and stays for the next year.
[17:24] <capth> And not Poland?
[17:24] <Dorian> Do you think that it changes your plans?
[17:24] <capth> Um, I don't know what a cease fire would constitute between you, Kitten, and Schezo.
[17:25] <Dorian> Unfortunately not.
[17:25] <capth> What?
[17:25] <Dorian> Not Poland.
[17:27] <capth> I don't think that changes my plans, but I don't fully appreciate what such a cease-fire would entail.
[17:28] <Dorian> I have to focus on France next year so it's mosty to count her intervention out.
[17:29] <capth> I'm very confused about why you three organized a cease fire, but I am able to take the fact that such an agreement exists at face value.
[17:31] <Dorian> I think she trys to get me as a replacement for PX.
[17:32] <capth> ?
[17:34] <Dorian> The cease fire is meant as a prestage for a cooperation or better for a possibility of a cooperation.
[17:35] <capth> Alright.
[17:35] <capth> Though I thought you wanted to murder kitten
[17:38] <Dorian> You see she offered the cooperation and I suggested the ceasefire to buy time for my reorientation.



[20:19] <Kitten4u> Um
[20:19] <Kitten4u> Hold on
[20:21] <Kitten4u> It needs to support Rome
[20:21] <capth> It does?
[20:22] <Kitten4u> Yeah. If Venice attacks it one unit isn't going to be enough
[20:26] <capth> Done



[21:48] <Kitten4u> o/
[21:49] <capth> Hey
[21:49] <Kitten4u> So um, just verifying because your move looks a little aggressive against me
[21:49] <Kitten4u> What do you plan to do with all that?
[21:50] <capth> Slog through Europe
[21:50] <capth> They're useless idle
[21:50] <capth> Going West
[21:50] <Kitten4u> Yeah, I was just wondering why you picked Bulgaria rather than Greece?
[21:50] <capth> Because I already have more units than I can convoy
[21:50] <capth> And More tanks than I need at Italy's tip
[21:50] <Kitten4u> Alright fair enough
[21:51] <Kitten4u> I thought that you just might have been a little worried about my Black Sea shenanigans.
[21:51] <capth> Not anymore
[21:52] <Kitten4u> Haha
[21:52] <Kitten4u> Well, it was understandable, so I'm not holding anything against you don't worry.
[21:52] <Kitten4u> I think it'll work out in our favor anyway
[21:53] <Kitten4u> I suppose I should explain a few of my weird moves too
[21:53] <Kitten4u> I made an agreement with Germany in order to help save Schezo
[21:53] <capth> Yep, you mentioned that.
[21:53] <Kitten4u> The deal was we don't attack him, he doesn't attack us. I'm not allowed to move into Sax and Schezo had to get out of Prussia
[21:53] <Kitten4u> So I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this retreat phase yet.
[21:54] <capth> Retreat into Sax anyway?
[21:55] <Kitten4u> I definitely could
[21:57] <Kitten4u> There's just things surrounding it
[21:58] <Kitten4u> I at least want to talk to Dorian first
[21:59] <capth> K
[22:00] <Kitten4u> Regardless, I think you should try to take Austria
[22:01] <capth> Explain.
[22:01] <capth> I mean, obviously Austria is a good thing, but I need to defend what I have
[22:02] <Kitten4u> It depends if I take Sax I suppose
[22:02] <Kitten4u> I need something to poke it
[22:02] <Kitten4u> If you'd rather hold Venice then I think just poking it with Cro would be enough
[22:03] <Kitten4u> Well, maybe not
[22:03] <Kitten4u> Hm
[22:03] <Kitten4u> I'll think on it