21:55	Atom_Mirrabel	lol
21:56	Craeter	HEY!
21:56	Craeter	RED!
21:56	Craeter	HEY!
21:56	Craeter	RED!
21:57	Craeter	HEY!
21:57	Craeter	RED!
21:57	Craeter	HEY!
21:57	Craeter	RED!
21:58	Craeter	REDJON!
21:59	Redjon	EHY
21:59	Craeter	Danguh zawn!
22:01	Redjon	lol
22:06	Craeter	I was thinking a thought. Who'd have thunk, eh?
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22:22	TGS	Craeter: Please don't spam.
22:23	Redjon	..
22:23	Craeter	lawl this wasn't spam. Red would've already yelled at me if it was XD
22:25		TGS slaps Craeter
22:25	Redjon	Seriously that wasn' sam ol you like told him not to spam 20 minues later
22:25		Craeter blocks
22:27	TGS	Redjon: I wasn't actually at my computer.
22:27	Redjon	*shrugs*
22:28	Redjon	congratulations you stopped a non existant problem \o/
22:28		Craeter sits here silently, not getting involved.
22:29	TGS	Yeah let's not resort to trolling mkay.
22:29	Redjon	I'm not trolling
22:29	Craeter	okay. now I have to get involved. fight nice.
22:30	Redjon	He yelled at me, wasn't really spamming to begin with and then you show up 20 minutes later after he stopped LONG ago way before he got repetitive and say stop spamming?
22:30	TGS	I did not say stop spamming. I said please don't spam.
22:31	Redjon	Thats nitpicking and avoiding the primary point of wasting time by addressing a non existent issue
22:31	TGS	Actually it wasn't addressing a non existant issue so much as requesting that he not do it again. To prevent future issues.
22:31	TGS	So it wasn't nitpicking at all.
22:31	TGS	If you are going to jump on me make sure you actually have the proper context of what I said.
22:32	Redjon	There was no further issues, It wasn't an issue to begin with He knows he shouldn't spam in a full chat or be extremely disruptive
22:32	Craeter	how can I spam again if I didn't in the first place?
22:32	Redjon	I do have the proper context and i think it was stupid and over management.
22:32	Redjon	He did not spam in the first place
22:33	TGS	I'm curious. Since when did we go with your idea of what spamming is and isn't Redjon?
22:34	Craeter	spamming would be if I constantly filled up page after page after page after page after page with text or line of something in the window. since I didn't then there isn't a spam issue.
22:34	Redjon	Since when did we decide to enforce rules based on you being anal instead of the end consequence?
22:34	TGS	Craeter: Actually doing something like this is spamming.
22:34	TGS	Craeter: Actually doing something like this is spamming.
22:34	TGS	Craeter: Actually doing something like this is spamming.
22:34	TGS	Craeter: Actually doing something like this is spamming.
22:34	TGS	Craeter: Actually doing something like this is spamming.
22:34	TGS	That classifies as spamming.
22:35	Craeter	how
22:35	Craeter	about
22:35	Craeter	this
22:35	TGS	Go to most channels and do that and you will be asked to stop or be kicked.
22:35	Craeter	is
22:35	Craeter	this
22:35	Craeter	spamming
22:35	Craeter	for
22:35	Craeter	you
22:35	Craeter	?
22:35	Redjon	For the anal yes, honestly that wasn't in the slightest disruptive
22:35	Craeter	first of all.
22:35	Craeter	it was meant as a joke.
22:35	Craeter	second.
22:35	Craeter	I didn't bother you.
22:35	Craeter	i didn't bother adam
22:35	Craeter	atom*
22:35	Craeter	I didn't bother red.
22:36	Craeter	chill out.
22:36	TGS	I am fine. Or at least I was until you guys started being shits about it.
22:36	Redjon	We aren't being shits
22:36	Craeter	I'm not being a shit about it.
22:36	TGS	That's a matter of opinion I should think.
22:36	Redjon	we dislike being treated like children
22:36	Redjon	Hmmm
22:36	TGS	Then stop acting like children.
22:36	Redjon	Since its opinion then its subject to general consensus
22:36	TGS	Spamming is what children do.
22:37	TGS	And the definition of spam is not in question. Believe me, go anywhere else and do it and it will be spam.
22:37	TGS	Go on.
22:38	Craeter	we're not anywhere else.
22:38	Craeter	we are here.
22:38	Redjon	in an empty chat, with you enforcing rules for a non event that happened when you weren't around and effected nobody
22:39	TGS	No, enforcing the rule would have been to kick him.
22:39	Redjon	and others peoples definitions of spam are for the most part entirely based on context and situation
22:39	TGS	General consensus much?
22:39	TGS	If I ask you to go onto most channels on the internet and do what you just did. If there was an Op paying attention they would most likely kick you.
22:39	Craeter	Hey, TGS. Pull the stick out of your ass and take a seat, super trooper. don't need to be all gung-ho.
22:39	Redjon	I have done so in multiple chats and not been kicked
22:40	Redjon	so please don't tell me that crap
22:40	TGS	Craeter: Who is being gung-ho? I asked you to not spam. What exactly is gung-ho about that?
22:40	TGS	Redjon: I'm sure you have. Chats with your friends who are also spammers.
22:40	TGS	As I'm starting to realise.
22:40	Craeter	You're being gung-ho.
22:40	Craeter	you're taking this way too seriously, mate.
22:40	Redjon	No you're realizing fuck all
22:41	Redjon	I'm talking 50-100+ member chat rooms on multiple games
22:41	TGS	Doubt it.
22:41	Redjon	Where it WOULD have been spam to a mild degree
22:41	TGS	Not that it changes the meaning of the word.
22:42	Redjon	TGS i'm many things, An asshole, Loud and sometimes arrogant, One thing i am not is dishonest or unfair in any way shape or form and when i do someone wrong i come back in fix it
22:42	Craeter	dude. chill out.
22:42	Craeter	there's only three of us.
22:42	TGS	Redjon: Yet you are essentially telling me that Spam is okay because you do it in some channels and get away with it.
22:42	Redjon	What i'm most certainly not is an anal retentive cunt who enforces the letter of law and not the ultimate intention of it in order to maintain his own obsession with order
22:42	Redjon	Not in the slightest
22:43	Craeter	Okay. Have I ever spammed in this channel before?
22:43	TGS	Then what the fuck is the problem?
22:43	TGS	If we both agree on what spam is. I'm not sure what the problem is?
22:43	Craeter	have I filled up an entire page of your precious irc chat?
22:43	Craeter	have I been doing anything disruptive?
22:43	Redjon	BEcause the only problem i have with repetitive spam is if it disrupts a chat
22:44	Redjon	You can yell at a guy a few times and its not going to harm anyone
22:44	TGS	Redjon: You know how I stand on this. I don't like inconsistency.
22:44	Craeter	consistency?
22:44	TGS	This isn't about obsession with order. It's about obsession with consistency. If you aren't going to allow it in a full chat why the hell allow it simply because the chat isn't full?
22:45	Craeter	inconsistency would be if someone ACTUALLY said something in here every once in a while.
22:45	TGS	Craeter: That is very true.
22:45	TGS	A fact I would like to see changed.
22:45	Redjon	TGS
22:45	Redjon	Rules never were and never were going to be your problem
22:45	Craeter	TGS.
22:45	Redjon	moderation was never going to be your problem to begin with
22:45	Craeter	sit down.
22:45	TGS	Redjon: Pardon?
22:46	Redjon	THe point of rules is to maintain a enviroment that nurtures and helps the community
22:46	Redjon	and provides a framework that allows the punishment of transgressors
22:46	Redjon	Thats all i care about period
22:46	Redjon	If what someone is doing is not negatively impacting anything then they can do it to their hearts content
22:47	TGS	Look you know what the problem here is?
22:47	TGS	I said something... you jumped down my throat for it.
22:47	TGS	That's the problem.
22:47	TGS	Not the content of what I said. But the fact that you jumped down my throat. It was a simple comment asking him not to spam. Not bashing him for spamming, but asking him not to spam.
22:47	TGS	To me what he did was spam.
22:47	Craeter	to you.
22:48	Redjon	I jumped on it because i saw it as a problem, Im not trying to throw myself down your throat or deliberately piss you off
22:48	TGS	Yes, and to most of the internet.
22:48	Craeter	there's three of us.
22:48	Redjon	...
22:48	Redjon	"most of the internet" isn't here
22:48	Craeter	TGS.
22:48	TGS	Spam is spam. It doesn't become less spam because there are only three of us.
22:48	Redjon	It doesn't bother me either
22:48	Craeter	would EVERYONE shut the hell up for a second?
22:48	Craeter	There is three of us.
22:48	Craeter	there is no chat to disrupt.
22:49	TGS	I agree.
22:49	Craeter	who the fuck gives a good god damn about an empty chat room with no one talking about even what color the god damn sky is?
22:49	TGS	Craeter: I do.
22:49	TGS	I care about it just as much now than if it had 100 people in it. I'm odd like that.
22:49	Craeter	what's the god damn point?
22:49	Redjon	So now this little world revolves around your personal opinion?
22:49	Craeter	it's a waste of time and energy.
22:49	TGS	The point is simply don't do now what you wouldn't do then.
22:49	TGS	It's not that complicated.
22:50	TGS	Is your day worsened because you cannot spam?
22:50	Redjon	its not the spam
22:50	TGS	Is this really necessary for you to enjoy yourself?
22:50	TGS	Is this really necessary for you to enjoy yourself?
22:50	TGS	Is this really necessary for you to enjoy yourself?
22:50	TGS	Is this really necessary for you to enjoy yourself?
22:50	Redjon	the spam is irrelevent
22:50	TGS	How is it irrelevant?
22:50	Redjon	Your insistence on enforcing your personal opinion on others Is
22:50	Craeter	was I saying the same thing 30 times?
22:50	TGS	I want to know why people feel the need to do it?
22:50	Redjon	I dispise certain modes of behavior
22:50	TGS	Redjon: Are you going to allow spam on this chat?
22:50	Redjon	I won't allow anything thats obviously and intentionally disruptive
22:51	TGS	Because if you are I will be shutting it down. I don't need my server to be pounded by people who want to spam. Even if its 5 lines each in semi-rapid succession.
22:51	Craeter	TGS: are you going to be our Javert in this chat?
22:51	TGS	Craeter: Wtf is Javert?
22:51	Craeter	illiterate.
22:51		+++ Redjon set to mode +r
22:51	NickServ	Password accepted - you are now recognized.
22:51	HostServ	Your vhost of TripX.Elite is now activated.
22:51		+++ ChanServ has given admin to Redjon
22:51		+++ ChanServ has given op to Redjon
22:52		*** TGS was kicked by Redjon (In my opinion you are annoying me and disrupting chat, So therefore i enforce my opinion over you, Now go pull hosting if you like)
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22:52		+++ ChanServ has given admin to TGS
22:53	TGS	Yeah see... that's really intelligent.
22:53	TGS	But gladly.
22:53	Redjon	Its as stupid as any behavior your doing
22:53	Redjon	and thats my point
22:53	Redjon	Because it annoys you does not mean you have the right to call others on it
22:53	TGS	Asking someone not to spam is stupid?
22:53	Redjon	I despise Reality TV shows
22:53	Redjon	I despise hip hop and metal
22:53	TGS	Wtf does that have to do with anything?
22:54	Redjon	Im being logically consistent *shrugs*
22:54	Craeter	asking someone not to do something they didn't do is stupid.
22:54	TGS	Now you're telling me that what you did isn't spam again.
22:54	TGS	I want you to go spam a room... any room where you don't have friends and ask them if it is spam.
22:54	TGS	In fact do exactly what you did. And ask them if it is or isn't spam.
22:54	Craeter	and?
22:54	TGS	Can be a room with 1 op and 3 users for all I care.
22:55	Craeter	that's what I have been saying.
22:55	Redjon	I don't give a shit if they say it was
22:55	Craeter	and you're being a Javert again.
22:55	TGS	See now we have a serious conflict of opinion.
22:55	Redjon	I disagree with the whole foundation.
22:55	TGS	Why the hell is it so complicated to do now what you would do if the room was buzzing with activity?
22:55	TGS	What is so hard to comprehend about that?
22:55	Redjon	It isn't complicated
22:55	TGS	Have you ever actually run a server with 1000 people? Or 10,000?
22:55	Redjon	I'd shut down anyone who disrupted the activity
22:56	Redjon	No and if i had i'd adapt to those circumstances and probably change the framework I'm using
22:56	Redjon	But we arent
22:56	Redjon	We aren;t running a chat like that
22:56	Redjon	We don't NEED rules as strict
22:56	Redjon	we CAN allow more freedom
22:56	TGS	I'm not being strict mate.
22:56	TGS	"Don't spam" is not strict.
22:56	TGS	It's basic.
22:56	TGS	At best.
22:56	Redjon	And in Any situation in Goverment or Chat or in ANY PLACE
22:56	Craeter	and I didn't spam.
22:57	Redjon	if you can allow the remotest bit of freedom in any way shape or form its your moral obligation to do so
22:57	TGS	Craeter: You can say that til the cows come home that doesn't make it true.
22:57	Redjon	He also didn't disrupt chat
22:57	Craeter	TGS. sit down and eat your happy meal.
22:57	Redjon	which is the ONLY thing that matter
22:57	TGS	Freedom? This is about freedom now is it?
22:57	Redjon	its always been about it thats what i've been trying to say since we first started arguing about this with Mike Tyson
22:57	TGS	Craeter: How cute. Trying to imply that I'm a child because I'm maintaining a professional consistency despite the small size of the chat.
22:58	Craeter	no I'm trying to imply that you're socially inept.
22:58	TGS	Redjon: Okay freedom is like this. You have things you do and don't do. Just because you are 'amongst friends' doesn't make the rules any less applicable. Doing hard drugs is illegal yes? Does that make doing hard drugs "outside of the view of authority" somehow legal or okay?
22:59	TGS	I'm all for fighting the establishment but I'm not asking for anything big here.
22:59	Redjon	Dear lord
22:59	TGS	I'm just asking people not to spam.
22:59	Redjon	You do know i support the legalization of drugs right?
22:59	TGS	Simple as that.
22:59	Redjon	And don't give a shit if you use heroin
22:59	TGS	Redjon: No I didn't know that.
22:59	Craeter	why does everything have to be established?
22:59	Redjon	I think herion is destrtuctive and a horrible drug
22:59	Redjon	but its your right to use it
22:59	TGS	Craeter: Why not run a completely unmoderated chat then?
22:59	Redjon	as long as the use doesn't interfere with me
22:59	Redjon	because there are people like buffalo who can't behave
23:00	Redjon	and thats what mods are for
23:00	TGS	Redjon: I see spamming as up there with what he does.
23:00	Redjon	thats what laws are for, For the few who have no moral compass
23:00	TGS	I know that is to you my 'personal opinion' but it's not.
23:00	TGS	Most places and most people share that view.
23:00	TGS	You simply have a dynamic view.
23:00	Craeter	no no no. why have everything established? why not have something be flexible to suit the environment or the situation?
23:00	TGS	That's all.
23:00	Redjon	So its popular opinion
23:00	Redjon	Which i have little value for as it is currently destroying my country
23:01	Redjon	Might want a better basis for that
23:01	TGS	Craeter: Because I've been running things way too long and I like having a solid foundation rather than trying to build it as I go along.
23:01	Redjon	TGS
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23:01	Craeter	because you have no idea how people work.
23:01	Craeter	you can't run people like a clock.
23:02	yofun	Hmmm
23:02	Craeter	people aren't machines.
23:02	Redjon	I'm afraid we are never going to agree, And i can't honestly in good faith ask you to host a chat where We won't see Eye to Eye and where you wouldn't ever trust me and see if i produce results
23:02	Craeter	they're people.
23:02	Redjon	its using your money for my own ends and thats wrong so
23:02	Redjon	*shrugs*
23:02	TGS	Redjon: This isn't your chat though. It's Liam's.
23:02	yofun	?
23:02	Redjon	Its mine and LIams
23:02	yofun	What's going on?
23:02	TGS	And I think Liam is more capable reason than you in this regard.
23:02	Craeter	yofun don't worry about it.
23:02	TGS	of*
23:02	Craeter	this isn't reason what you're saying.
23:03	Redjon	And i think liam agrees with me in this case
23:03	yofun	Meh
23:03	Craeter	this is concrete uniformity.
23:03	Redjon	Because we have had this conversation before
23:03	Craeter	you want everything to be exactly the same
23:03	Craeter	black and white.
23:03	Craeter	can't happen with people.
23:03	Craeter	we're all different shades of grey.
23:03	TGS	I agree.
23:03	Craeter	then why have it all be uniform?
23:04	Craeter	everything needs to be adaptable. not fixed and rigid.
23:04	TGS	"it all"? I asked you not to spam. Simple as that. You claimed you hadn't spammed. Then Redjon jumped down my neck.
23:04	TGS	And here we are.
23:04	Craeter	no he didn't.
23:04	Craeter	he simply siad that I wasn't.
23:04	Craeter	then you got on his case.
23:04	TGS	Is repeating things over and over a requirement for you to enjoy yourself?
23:04	Redjon	I'm sorry if it seemed like i went for your throat, That really wasn't my intention
23:04	Craeter	NOW here we are.
23:04	Redjon	If it is thats his business
23:04	Redjon	Not yours
23:04	Redjon	His
23:05	TGS	Redjon: Huh?
23:05	TGS	Are you trying to tell me that I'm not allowed to ask people not to spam because it fits their requirements for enjoying themselves?
23:05	Craeter	TGS: I'm saying the same thing different way because you can't get it through your thick skull.
23:05	Redjon	No i'm not
23:05	Craeter	you can not treat every single situation the same exact way.
23:06	Craeter	it can not all be uniform.
23:06	TGS	Craeter: Wow. Way to fluff up a simple question.
23:06	TGS	Which seems to be your general tactics here.
23:06	Redjon	I'm sorry and i'm truly sorry if you never meant the request as an extension of your position as Mod
23:06	Craeter	not at all.
23:06	TGS	Instead of answering the question simply.
23:06	TGS	Redjon: I'm not a mod. I'm actually at the same level as you.
23:06	Craeter	I answered your question directly actually.
23:06	Redjon	My meaning is still the same