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  1. Aug 27 21:00:00 >#littlecup<    LC Teambuilding is starting now.
  2. Aug 27 21:00:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       !
  3. Aug 27 21:00:09 <CBT>   !
  4. Aug 27 21:00:11 <KingTorterraXIV>       !
  5. Aug 27 21:00:20 <CBT>   are you prince turtwig
  6. Aug 27 21:00:30 <iss>   hi everyone
  7. Aug 27 21:00:34 <AuraRayquaza>  hi
  8. Aug 27 21:00:34 <CBT>   king torterra
  9. Aug 27 21:00:36 <CBT>   hi
  10. Aug 27 21:00:37 <iss>   it's time for session one of lc teambuilding
  11. Aug 27 21:00:39 <KingTorterraXIV>       hi
  12. Aug 27 21:00:40 <iss>   who's here?
  13. Aug 27 21:00:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       me
  14. Aug 27 21:00:45 *       ebeast has quit (Quit: bye)
  15. Aug 27 21:00:48 <EndQuote>      Half of smogon, apparently.
  16. Aug 27 21:00:51 <Snowflakes>    Okay good
  17. Aug 27 21:00:51 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  18. Aug 27 21:00:52 *       elevator_music has quit (Client exited)
  19. Aug 27 21:01:06 <Snowflakes>    Fuck ebeast
  20. Aug 27 21:01:08 *       Mihawk (Mibbit@synIRC-BB50C1BC.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #littlecup
  21. Aug 27 21:01:10 <Snowflakes>    he should be here
  22. Aug 27 21:01:12 <iss>   emidoxx pokemon0078 poj fatty prem charmander etc
  23. Aug 27 21:01:15 <KingTorterraXIV>       ):
  24. Aug 27 21:01:19 <iss>   are you guys here?
  25. Aug 27 21:01:20 *       elevator_afk (elev@tor.underscore.music) has joined #littlecup
  26. Aug 27 21:01:20 *       Cerberus sets mode +a #littlecup elevator_afk
  27. Aug 27 21:01:20 *       Cerberus gives channel operator status to elevator_afk
  28. Aug 27 21:01:41 <elevator_afk>  iss and prem are you here
  29. Aug 27 21:01:44 <PoJ>   Oh, almost forgot :o
  30. Aug 27 21:01:45 <iss>   yea
  31. Aug 27 21:01:46 <KingTorterraXIV>       i havent heard charmander speak since like 7 hours ago
  32. Aug 27 21:01:49 <PoJ>   Yes I'm here
  33. Aug 27 21:01:50 <iss>   i'm "hosting"
  34. Aug 27 21:01:51 <elevator_afk>  im really sorry
  35. Aug 27 21:01:54 <iss>   it's fine
  36. Aug 27 21:01:58 <elevator_afk>  ok
  37. Aug 27 21:02:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       :D
  38. Aug 27 21:02:16 <AuraRayquaza>  prem isnt
  39. Aug 27 21:02:18 <iss>   alright
  40. Aug 27 21:02:22 <AuraRayquaza>  i was speaking to him earlier
  41. Aug 27 21:02:25 <iss>   so: to all that are here
  42. Aug 27 21:02:38 <iss>   suggestions for a pokemon to build the team around? or just strategies in general?
  43. Aug 27 21:02:44 <Snowflakes>    Riolu
  44. Aug 27 21:02:46 *       elevator_afk has quit (Quit: )
  45. Aug 27 21:02:49 <KingTorterraXIV>       speculation!
  46. Aug 27 21:02:54 *       chenn (~chenn@so.different.yet.so.exciting) has joined #littlecup
  47. Aug 27 21:02:56 <AuraRayquaza>  damn i was goign to say  riolu
  48. Aug 27 21:03:00 <Hawkstar>      I think he meant good suggestions
  49. Aug 27 21:03:12 *       [chenn] (~chenn@so.different.yet.so.exciting): chenn
  50. Aug 27 21:03:12 *       [chenn] is a registered nick
  51. Aug 27 21:03:12 *       [chenn] #littlecup #ubers #rarelyused +#pokemon
  52. Aug 27 21:03:12 *       [chenn] naamio.fi.eu.synirc.net :Gateway to the underworld...
  53. Aug 27 21:03:12 *       [chenn] idle 00:01:54, signon: Mon Aug 27 18:48:41
  54. Aug 27 21:03:12 *       [chenn] End of WHOIS list.
  55. Aug 27 21:03:16 <Snowflakes>    Tr yamask
  56. Aug 27 21:03:16 *       Cerberus gives voice to Hawkstar
  57. Aug 27 21:03:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  58. Aug 27 21:03:26 <iss>   yamask???
  59. Aug 27 21:03:29 <iss>   lol
  60. Aug 27 21:03:34 <AuraRayquaza>  how about a sweeper snubbull
  61. Aug 27 21:03:36 <Snowflakes>    Blara used it last night lol
  62. Aug 27 21:03:37 <KingTorterraXIV>       shell smash tirtouga? idk just throwing stuff out
  63. Aug 27 21:03:40 <KingTorterraXIV>       :/
  64. Aug 27 21:03:47 <pokemon0078>   I'm here too
  65. Aug 27 21:03:51 <Snowflakes>    he swept me with tirt though
  66. Aug 27 21:03:54 <iss>   hey pokemon0078
  67. Aug 27 21:03:57 <KingTorterraXIV>       D:
  68. Aug 27 21:04:04 <Snowflakes>    Subroost murkrow
  69. Aug 27 21:04:06 <iss>   alright so we have riolu and ss tirtouga right now
  70. Aug 27 21:04:19 <iss>   and subroost krow
  71. Aug 27 21:04:23 <KingTorterraXIV>       ummmmmm
  72. Aug 27 21:04:24 <Hawkstar>      I like tirtouga
  73. Aug 27 21:04:27 <KingTorterraXIV>       ^
  74. Aug 27 21:04:32 *       CBT is now known as CBTerrakion
  75. Aug 27 21:04:35 <iss>   ya
  76. Aug 27 21:04:35 <KingTorterraXIV>       oh yeah
  77. Aug 27 21:04:36 *       Gengan (Mibbit@synIRC-D09743C2.cinci.res.rr.com) has joined #littlecup
  78. Aug 27 21:04:38 <Emidoxx>       bulky dragon dance dratini?
  79. Aug 27 21:04:41 <AuraRayquaza>  what about jolitk?
  80. Aug 27 21:04:47 <iss>   all good ideas
  81. Aug 27 21:04:47 <Snowflakes>    Sleep talk bagon
  82. Aug 27 21:04:48 <KingTorterraXIV>       iss i remeber you mentioning clam mind missy
  83. Aug 27 21:04:52 <KingTorterraXIV>       *clam
  84. Aug 27 21:04:54 <KingTorterraXIV>       **calm
  85. Aug 27 21:04:56 <iss>   cm missy is established
  86. Aug 27 21:05:01 <KingTorterraXIV>       oh
  87. Aug 27 21:05:02 <KingTorterraXIV>       kk
  88. Aug 27 21:05:08 <AuraRayquaza>  DD scraggy?
  89. Aug 27 21:05:08 <iss>   it's got an onsite analysis
  90. Aug 27 21:05:12 <iss>   it was really common for a while
  91. Aug 27 21:05:12 <CBTerrakion>   Snover?
  92. Aug 27 21:05:12 <Snowflakes>    Sleep talk bagon so fun
  93. Aug 27 21:05:12 <KingTorterraXIV>       really
  94. Aug 27 21:05:16 <KingTorterraXIV>       wow derp
  95. Aug 27 21:05:17 <iss>   i wrote it lol
  96. Aug 27 21:05:18 <Gengan>        Np missy is better anyway
  97. Aug 27 21:05:21 <iss>   okay so we have
  98. Aug 27 21:05:28 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol of course u'd write it is
  99. Aug 27 21:05:31 <KingTorterraXIV>       *iss
  100. Aug 27 21:05:36 <PoJ>   Simple CM Woobat? Sounds fun but Idk if it'll work. Haven't played LC in so long x.x
  101. Aug 27 21:05:43 <Gengan>        not really
  102. Aug 27 21:05:45 <PoJ>   Riolu also sounds cool
  103. Aug 27 21:05:45 <Gengan>        I tried it
  104. Aug 27 21:05:47 <Gengan>        it died easily
  105. Aug 27 21:05:48 <Snowflakes>    Simple numel
  106. Aug 27 21:05:51 <PoJ>   I see
  107. Aug 27 21:05:54 <Snowflakes>    btw
  108. Aug 27 21:05:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       simple numel is fun also
  109. Aug 27 21:06:01 <iss>   riolu | ss tirtouga | subroost murkrow | bulky dd dratini | joltik | restalk bagon | dd scraggy | cm misdreavus | simple numel | simple woobat
  110. Aug 27 21:06:09 <Snowflakes>    I'm making random suggestions that just calm to mind
  111. Aug 27 21:06:12 <KingTorterraXIV>       im still for ss tirtouga
  112. Aug 27 21:06:16 <iss>   alright i think that's enough suggestions for now
  113. Aug 27 21:06:18 <Gengan>        what about gastly? could we do anything for it?
  114. Aug 27 21:06:22 <Snowflakes>    Okay
  115. Aug 27 21:06:23 <CBTerrakion>   lileep?
  116. Aug 27 21:06:25 <Gengan>        oh, k then...
  117. Aug 27 21:06:30 <iss>   alright
  118. Aug 27 21:06:32 <CBTerrakion>   seed?
  119. Aug 27 21:06:39 <iss>   any consensus on what to use?
  120. Aug 27 21:06:40 <pokemon0078>   dd axew?
  121. Aug 27 21:06:46 <KingTorterraXIV>       the suggestions flow like white river rapids!
  122. Aug 27 21:06:51 <Snowflakes>    Lol
  123. Aug 27 21:06:59 <Gengan>        I'm game for subroost murkrow
  124. Aug 27 21:07:00 <iss>   this is probably enough suggestions lol
  125. Aug 27 21:07:08 <pokemon0078>   yeah definitely
  126. Aug 27 21:07:08 <KingTorterraXIV>       i like ss tirtouga still
  127. Aug 27 21:07:16 *       blarajan (~blarajan@synIRC-A5C268B1.wireless.umd.edu) has joined #littlecup
  128. Aug 27 21:07:16 *       Cerberus gives channel operator status to blarajan
  129. Aug 27 21:07:17 <Gengan>        prankster sub is really awesome
  130. Aug 27 21:07:19 <Snowflakes>    Ss tirt
  131. Aug 27 21:07:22 <KingTorterraXIV>       hai blarajan
  132. Aug 27 21:07:24 <blarajan>      i am here
  133. Aug 27 21:07:25 <blarajan>      have we done anything
  134. Aug 27 21:07:27 <blarajan>      and where hte fuck is em
  135. Aug 27 21:07:27 <Gengan>        hi blara
  136. Aug 27 21:07:28 <Snowflakes>    cause blara swept me like a boss
  137. Aug 27 21:07:29 <PoJ>   I'd be fine with Riolu or Bagon
  138. Aug 27 21:07:31 <pokemon0078>   yeah blara
  139. Aug 27 21:07:32 <iss>   ok
  140. Aug 27 21:07:35 <iss>   hi blarajan
  141. Aug 27 21:07:36 <blarajan>      hold up
  142. Aug 27 21:07:38 <blarajan>      what have we been doing
  143. Aug 27 21:07:39 <blarajan>      and where is em
  144. Aug 27 21:07:46 <KingTorterraXIV>       em isnt coming
  145. Aug 27 21:07:46 <Snowflakes>    Suggesting pokes
  146. Aug 27 21:07:47 <Gengan>        we are teambuilding
  147. Aug 27 21:07:48 <PoJ>   EM can't make it :(
  148. Aug 27 21:07:50 <blarajan>      okay
  149. Aug 27 21:07:50 <blarajan>      w/e
  150. Aug 27 21:07:51 <blarajan>      fuck em
  151. Aug 27 21:07:53 <blarajan>      me and iss got this
  152. Aug 27 21:07:54 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  153. Aug 27 21:07:54 <Snowflakes>    lol
  154. Aug 27 21:07:58 <pokemon0078>   lol
  155. Aug 27 21:07:59 <Gengan>        xD
  156. Aug 27 21:08:04 <pokemon0078>   this is gonna be fun
  157. Aug 27 21:08:05 <AuraRayquaza>  lol
  158. Aug 27 21:08:10 <iss>   alright anyways
  159. Aug 27 21:08:15 <PoJ>   Blarajan what should we build around: riolu | ss tirtouga | subroost murkrow | bulky dd dratini | joltik | restalk bagon | dd scraggy | cm misdreavus | simple numel | simple woobat
  160. Aug 27 21:08:17 <blarajan>      okay
  161. Aug 27 21:08:19 <blarajan>      i would uh
  162. Aug 27 21:08:20 <blarajan>      avoid riolu
  163. Aug 27 21:08:25 <blarajan>      because when we build around riolu
  164. Aug 27 21:08:29 <blarajan>      we honestly use the same five pokes + filler
  165. Aug 27 21:08:31 <blarajan>      that's no fun
  166. Aug 27 21:08:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  167. Aug 27 21:08:33 <Snowflakes>    lol
  168. Aug 27 21:08:35 <blarajan>      legit
  169. Aug 27 21:08:36 <PoJ>   Ok
  170. Aug 27 21:08:38 <blarajan>      my vote is
  171. Aug 27 21:08:41 <Gengan>        ss tirtouga?
  172. Aug 27 21:08:42 <blarajan>      rest talk marvel scale dratini
  173. Aug 27 21:08:54 <blarajan>      that's relatively undone this meta
  174. Aug 27 21:09:00 <blarajan>      and is still solid enough to be used as a defensive pivot
  175. Aug 27 21:09:04 <blarajan>      which would let us have more options in team building
  176. Aug 27 21:09:07 <Snowflakes>    It's fun
  177. Aug 27 21:09:13 <Gengan>        sounds cool
  178. Aug 27 21:09:20 <blarajan>      since this metagame
  179. Aug 27 21:09:22 <blarajan>      has a lot of lileep
  180. Aug 27 21:09:24 <pokemon0078>   dratini sounds good
  181. Aug 27 21:09:24 <blarajan>      has a lot of krow
  182. Aug 27 21:09:28 <blarajan>      has a lot of special threats and stuff
  183. Aug 27 21:09:28 <iss>   i concur
  184. Aug 27 21:09:31 <blarajan>      that both dratini can check
  185. Aug 27 21:09:32 <blarajan>      and set up on
  186. Aug 27 21:09:39 <blarajan>      which is important
  187. Aug 27 21:09:40 <blarajan>      for this metagame
  188. Aug 27 21:09:51 <KingTorterraXIV>       ya
  189. Aug 27 21:09:55 <Emidoxx>       ok
  190. Aug 27 21:09:59 <AuraRayquaza>  sounds good to me
  191. Aug 27 21:09:59 <Gengan>        so resttalk marvel scale dratini it is
  192. Aug 27 21:10:00 <iss>   ok
  193. Aug 27 21:10:02 <blarajan>      okay
  194. Aug 27 21:10:05 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok
  195. Aug 27 21:10:08 <iss>   alright so we're going to use resttalk marvel scale dratini
  196. Aug 27 21:10:09 <blarajan>      so pretty much it's not hard to make a spread for this
  197. Aug 27 21:10:13 <blarajan>      we have a few things we need to hit
  198. Aug 27 21:10:24 <blarajan>      the first important thing is hitting 14 speed
  199. Aug 27 21:10:39 <iss>   yes
  200. Aug 27 21:10:45 *       elevator_music (~elevatorm@synIRC-F2EFA0B6.sub-174-252-45.myvzw.com) has joined #littlecup
  201. Aug 27 21:10:51 <Gengan>        hi em!
  202. Aug 27 21:10:57 <blarajan>      em
  203. Aug 27 21:11:05 <blarajan>      we're building off of rest talk marvel scale dratini
  204. Aug 27 21:11:30 <iss>   ALRIGHT
  205. Aug 27 21:11:30 <PoJ>   196 Spe EVs is required for 14 speed with a neutral nature
  206. Aug 27 21:11:35 <KingTorterraXIV>       it needs 196 spd evs with neutral nature
  207. Aug 27 21:11:36 <elevator_music>        Hi
  208. Aug 27 21:11:37 <elevator_music>        I can't be here for long, I'm just using my phone
  209. Aug 27 21:11:38 <elevator_music>        Ok, that's a cool pick
  210. Aug 27 21:11:43 <Snowflakes>    Ditto lol
  211. Aug 27 21:11:45 <iss>   so what would be good teammates for restalk dratini?
  212. Aug 27 21:11:46 *       Gengan (Mibbit@synIRC-D09743C2.cinci.res.rr.com) has left #littlecup
  213. Aug 27 21:11:49 <KingTorterraXIV>       D:
  214. Aug 27 21:11:54 *       Ace_Attorney (~Ace_@synIRC-EFAEA8B7.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #littlecup
  215. Aug 27 21:11:54 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok w/e
  216. Aug 27 21:11:54 <Snowflakes>    Fighting counters
  217. Aug 27 21:12:04 <pokemon0078>   what is the rest of the evs then?
  218. Aug 27 21:12:04 <Emidoxx>       drifloon?
  219. Aug 27 21:12:09 <blarajan>      let me get the spread for you guys
  220. Aug 27 21:12:13 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok
  221. Aug 27 21:12:32 <blarajan>      108 HP / 4 Atk / 76 Def / 156 Spd / 116 Spe Jolly
  222. Aug 27 21:12:34 <elevator_music>        First look at pokemon it sets up on and then pick partners that lure in those pokes
  223. Aug 27 21:12:40 <pokemon0078>   okay
  224. Aug 27 21:12:45 <blarajan>      yeah
  225. Aug 27 21:12:48 <blarajan>      let's look at what it sets up on
  226. Aug 27 21:12:54 <blarajan>      what's common this metagame that can't touch dratini?
  227. Aug 27 21:12:57 <elevator_music>        For instance, it does well against chinchou
  228. Aug 27 21:13:09 <Snowflakes>    Chinchou
  229. Aug 27 21:13:11 <elevator_music>        So a partner like magnemite works well
  230. Aug 27 21:13:15 <blarajan>      lileep as well, and hippopotas, and such
  231. Aug 27 21:13:15 <Snowflakes>    Damn lag
  232. Aug 27 21:13:27 <blarajan>      dratini is a good booster against sand in my opinion
  233. Aug 27 21:13:36 <CBTerrakion>   back
  234. Aug 27 21:13:37 <PoJ>   Magnemite also can trap steels for Dratini :)
  235. Aug 27 21:13:39 *       Deinosaur (~Deinosaur@5A384773.74BD8E09.ACEBAC07.IP) has joined #littlecup
  236. Aug 27 21:13:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  237. Aug 27 21:13:49 <elevator_music>        Especially so because magnemite helps remove ferroseed who can be a pain (bronzor too but he's setup bait)
  238. Aug 27 21:13:58 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  239. Aug 27 21:14:20 <pokemon0078>   magnemite seems great
  240. Aug 27 21:14:22 <blarajan>      okay
  241. Aug 27 21:14:26 <blarajan>      what sets do you guys think would work?
  242. Aug 27 21:14:36 <AuraRayquaza>  magnet rise
  243. Aug 27 21:14:39 <blarajan>      why?
  244. Aug 27 21:14:41 <Emidoxx>       choice magnimite?
  245. Aug 27 21:14:53 <CBTerrakion>   would gligar be useful on such a team
  246. Aug 27 21:14:53 <AuraRayquaza>  for eq
  247. Aug 27 21:15:02 <blarajan>      gligar is banned, cbterrakion
  248. Aug 27 21:15:02 <KingTorterraXIV>       hawkstar's occa magnemite :P
  249. Aug 27 21:15:15 <CBTerrakion>   srsly i must not follow lc
  250. Aug 27 21:15:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       ):
  251. Aug 27 21:15:22 <blarajan>      but dratini sets up on fire type attacks
  252. Aug 27 21:15:30 <pokemon0078>   definitely
  253. Aug 27 21:15:36 <blarajan>      we wouldn't need an occa
  254. Aug 27 21:15:36 <CBTerrakion>   someone give me a link to gligar banthread
  255. Aug 27 21:15:36 <Snowflakes>    Snover !
  256. Aug 27 21:15:38 <Emidoxx>       dratini can set up on ponyta.
  257. Aug 27 21:15:47 <blarajan>      snowflakes makes a good point as well
  258. Aug 27 21:15:50 <blarajan>      magnemite checks snover
  259. Aug 27 21:15:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  260. Aug 27 21:15:56 <Snowflakes>    Lol
  261. Aug 27 21:16:12 <pokemon0078>   maybe go for scarf?
  262. Aug 27 21:16:24 <blarajan>      why do you think we should go for scarf, pokemon0078?
  263. Aug 27 21:16:30 <Emidoxx>       scarf to outspeed snover?
  264. Aug 27 21:16:38 <blarajan>      how fast is scarf magnemite
  265. Aug 27 21:16:42 <blarajan>      i legit have no idea
  266. Aug 27 21:16:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       21 i think
  267. Aug 27 21:16:47 <PoJ>   Iirc with timid it gets
  268. Aug 27 21:16:48 <PoJ>   15 speed
  269. Aug 27 21:16:51 <Snowflakes>    Snovee hits same thinf
  270. Aug 27 21:16:52 <PoJ>   without the boost
  271. Aug 27 21:16:52 <KingTorterraXIV>       oh
  272. Aug 27 21:16:54 <pokemon0078>   22 spe
  273. Aug 27 21:16:56 <PoJ>   I think
  274. Aug 27 21:16:59 <pokemon0078>   with timid
  275. Aug 27 21:17:02 <Snowflakes>    so mite ourapeeds
  276. Aug 27 21:17:02 <EndQuote>      Magnemite reaches 14 speed, I thought.
  277. Aug 27 21:17:07 <pokemon0078>   oh it runs modest
  278. Aug 27 21:17:08 <KingTorterraXIV>       21 with modest i think
  279. Aug 27 21:17:09 <EndQuote>      nvm 15
  280. Aug 27 21:17:17 <pokemon0078>   then that's 21
  281. Aug 27 21:17:27 <Snowflakes>    We don't really need to outspeed snovwe though
  282. Aug 27 21:17:27 <KingTorterraXIV>       depends if modest or timid
  283. Aug 27 21:17:31 <Snowflakes>    sorry on phone
  284. Aug 27 21:17:37 <CBTerrakion>   non scarf snover?
  285. Aug 27 21:17:39 <pokemon0078>   it already outspeeds snover snowflakes
  286. Aug 27 21:17:47 <blarajan>      since we only tie with snover if scarf
  287. Aug 27 21:17:47 <merp>  OKAY
  288. Aug 27 21:17:49 <merp>  IM HERE
  289. Aug 27 21:17:51 <KingTorterraXIV>       hi
  290. Aug 27 21:17:53 *       AuraRayquaza (Mibbit@synIRC-3CAE423C.bb.sky.com) has left #littlecup
  291. Aug 27 21:17:53 <iss>   hi prem
  292. Aug 27 21:17:54 <blarajan>      maybe bulky would be better? to switch into blizzards better.
  293. Aug 27 21:17:54 <merp>  what do we have so fa
  294. Aug 27 21:17:55 <merp>  r
  295. Aug 27 21:17:56 <pokemon0078>   actually
  296. Aug 27 21:17:58 <Snowflakes>    Dar merp
  297. Aug 27 21:18:06 <blarajan>      rest talk dd dratini prem
  298. Aug 27 21:18:08 <KingTorterraXIV>       i like bulky magnemite
  299. Aug 27 21:18:11 <blarajan>      and a magnemite set we're still discussing
  300. Aug 27 21:18:22 <Snowflakes>    is this with the magnet rise thing?
  301. Aug 27 21:18:36 <blarajan>      yeah magnet rise magnemite is very good this metagame
  302. Aug 27 21:18:37 <PoJ>   I don't think we need Magnet Rise
  303. Aug 27 21:18:43 <PoJ>   What uses
  304. Aug 27 21:18:46 <PoJ>   ground moves? :s
  305. Aug 27 21:18:50 <blarajan>      bronzor
  306. Aug 27 21:18:50 <KingTorterraXIV>       drilbur
  307. Aug 27 21:18:51 <Snowflakes>    Drilvur
  308. Aug 27 21:18:51 <blarajan>      hippopotas
  309. Aug 27 21:18:52 <blarajan>      drilbur
  310. Aug 27 21:18:53 <blarajan>      sandshrew
  311. Aug 27 21:18:58 <blarajan>      if you have a magnet rise up for the latter two
  312. Aug 27 21:19:02 <blarajan>      already
  313. Aug 27 21:19:05 <KingTorterraXIV>       alot of stuff
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  317. Aug 27 21:19:11 <blarajan>      i really like magnet rise cause
  318. Aug 27 21:19:13 <PoJ>   I see :o
  319. Aug 27 21:19:15 <Snowflakes>    Hey rayjay
  320. Aug 27 21:19:15 <PoJ>   Oh yeah
  321. Aug 27 21:19:15 <blarajan>      the occasional earth power lileep
  322. Aug 27 21:19:16 <blarajan>      hippopotas
  323. Aug 27 21:19:17 <PoJ>   Sandshrew
  324. Aug 27 21:19:17 <PoJ>   got
  325. Aug 27 21:19:20 <PoJ>   Sand Rush
  326. Aug 27 21:19:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       hi rayjay
  327. Aug 27 21:19:25 <pokemon0078>   I think you're right about magnet rise blara
  328. Aug 27 21:19:28 <RayJay>        hi
  329. Aug 27 21:19:31 <blarajan>      do you guys think the analysis set would work then?
  330. Aug 27 21:19:34 <iss>   <blarajan> the occasional earth power lileep
  331. Aug 27 21:19:35 <iss>   wat
  332. Aug 27 21:19:38 <Snowflakes>    fine with me
  333. Aug 27 21:19:40 <blarajan>      nah that's legit
  334. Aug 27 21:19:43 <blarajan>      earth power lileep is legit man
  335. Aug 27 21:19:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah im cool with it
  336. Aug 27 21:19:53 <pokemon0078>   the analysis set should work
  337. Aug 27 21:19:56 <PoJ>   Ok Magnet Rise sounds good
  338. Aug 27 21:20:05 <PoJ>   HP Fire/Tbolt/FCannon/MRise?
  339. Aug 27 21:20:08 <iss>   yes
  340. Aug 27 21:20:09 <merp>  why are we using magnet rise
  341. Aug 27 21:20:15 <iss>   to beat ground types
  342. Aug 27 21:20:16 <blarajan>      hippopotas, bronzor
  343. Aug 27 21:20:20 <Emidoxx>       seems legit
  344. Aug 27 21:20:21 <PoJ>   Hippo Dril Sandshrew Bronzor etc.
  345. Aug 27 21:20:25 <merp>  does bronzor even run eq anymroe?
  346. Aug 27 21:20:33 <blarajan>      yeah most do
  347. Aug 27 21:20:34 <Snowflakes>    Onsite
  348. Aug 27 21:20:35 <iss>   tbh you aren't beating dril/sandshrew anyways but w.e
  349. Aug 27 21:20:35 <merp>  oh
  350. Aug 27 21:20:36 <RayJay>        yes?
  351. Aug 27 21:20:42 <merp>  i never see it anymore
  352. Aug 27 21:20:44 <iss>   hi ray jay
  353. Aug 27 21:20:46 <EndQuote>      Should we use Volt Switch?
  354. Aug 27 21:20:54 <RayJay>        volt switch > tbolt imo
  355. Aug 27 21:20:58 <blarajan>      i personally prefer volt switch
  356. Aug 27 21:21:02 <CBTerrakion>   does bronzor eq ohko this magnemite
  357. Aug 27 21:21:02 <KingTorterraXIV>       i personalloy like volt switch better
  358. Aug 27 21:21:11 <merp>  i dont think it even ohkos
  359. Aug 27 21:21:15 <blarajan>      it does not, cbterrakion
  360. Aug 27 21:21:19 <blarajan>      but it comes close
  361. Aug 27 21:21:21 <pokemon0078>   I do too
  362. Aug 27 21:21:26 <CBTerrakion>   someone do damage calcs
  363. Aug 27 21:21:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok
  364. Aug 27 21:21:34 <KingTorterraXIV>       i will
  365. Aug 27 21:21:36 <blarajan>      eq doesn't kill bulky magnemite
  366. Aug 27 21:21:41 <EndQuote>      So Volt switch/Magnet rise/HP Fire/Flash Cannon???
  367. Aug 27 21:21:41 <PoJ>   Lol, a 100 base power move hitting for x4 and not KOing
  368. Aug 27 21:21:46 <Snowflakes>    What a tank
  369. Aug 27 21:22:14 <merp>  if we want it to take blizzards better
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  371. Aug 27 21:22:20 <merp>  just swap hp and and spd evs
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  373. Aug 27 21:22:21 <CBTerrakion>   yes silverlight calc is working!
  374. Aug 27 21:22:33 <pokemon0078>   btw is honko's calc good for lc?
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  376. Aug 27 21:22:42 <CBTerrakion>   pstats, bronzor
  377. Aug 27 21:22:42 <pstats>        Bronzor [Steel/Psychic] Levitate/Heatproof/Heavy Metal (DW) | 57/24/86/24/86/23 | LC | GK/LK: 80 BP
  378. Aug 27 21:22:55 <CBTerrakion>   24 bronzor is garbage
  379. Aug 27 21:23:01 <Snowflakes>    nah
  380. Aug 27 21:23:03 <CBTerrakion>   attackwise
  381. Aug 27 21:23:16 <Snowflakes>    Why you run toxic.
  382. Aug 27 21:23:24 <Snowflakes>    and tank like a boss
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  384. Aug 27 21:23:44 <blarajan>      hey guys
  385. Aug 27 21:23:48 <KingTorterraXIV>       ?
  386. Aug 27 21:23:52 <Emidoxx>       hm
  387. Aug 27 21:23:53 <blarajan>      so why do we think magnemite and dratini pair up together
  388. Aug 27 21:24:04 <Snowflakes>    regular dragmag
  389. Aug 27 21:24:12 <pokemon0078>   yeah
  390. Aug 27 21:24:14 <Snowflakes>    and decent synergy
  391. Aug 27 21:24:14 <blarajan>      why in lc particularly
  392. Aug 27 21:24:19 <blarajan>      is what i'm talking about
  393. Aug 27 21:24:26 <Snowflakes>    along with handling each other threats of each other
  394. Aug 27 21:24:28 <Emidoxx>       to kill steel types?
  395. Aug 27 21:24:32 <merp>  hint: other steels suck
  396. Aug 27 21:24:36 <Snowflakes>    and getting rid of problems the other has
  397. Aug 27 21:24:36 <PoJ>   Because Mag lures Chinchou and fire types and stuff Dratini can set up on
  398. Aug 27 21:24:36 <blarajan>      that is a definite plus
  399. Aug 27 21:24:37 <Emidoxx>       that wall dratini
  400. Aug 27 21:24:41 <PoJ>   and Mag beats steels
  401. Aug 27 21:24:57 <blarajan>      yeah, pretty fantastic partner for those reasons
  402. Aug 27 21:24:59 <KingTorterraXIV>       to help against dratini's ice weakness, aka snover maybe?
  403. Aug 27 21:25:06 <KingTorterraXIV>       idk :/
  404. Aug 27 21:25:13 <EndQuote>      Steels are a bit less common in LC. Beyond Bronzor and magnemite, there just aren't that many.
  405. Aug 27 21:25:18 <RayJay>        ferroseed
  406. Aug 27 21:25:23 <EndQuote>      Always forget ferro.
  407. Aug 27 21:25:23 <KingTorterraXIV>       unless you count ferroseed
  408. Aug 27 21:25:32 <merp>  are we running hp fire like the scrub we are?
  409. Aug 27 21:25:43 <RayJay>        lol prem talking about scrubs
  410. Aug 27 21:25:45 <CBTerrakion>   would a flying type help?
  411. Aug 27 21:25:45 <Snowflakes>    Aye
  412. Aug 27 21:25:46 <EndQuote>      Magnemite counters Ferro and Bronzor pretty well.
  413. Aug 27 21:25:48 <pokemon0078>   murkrow perhaps?
  414. Aug 27 21:25:56 <pokemon0078>   has something to with magnemite
  415. Aug 27 21:26:04 <RayJay>        dratmag is incredibly mienfoo weak in my experience
  416. Aug 27 21:26:13 <blarajan>      that's true
  417. Aug 27 21:26:16 <merp>  LETS RUN DOUBLE GHOST
  418. Aug 27 21:26:16 <blarajan>      we have fighting weaknesses
  419. Aug 27 21:26:16 <Snowflakes>    archen, murkrow, or driflim are good flying types
  420. Aug 27 21:26:17 <KingTorterraXIV>       so...
  421. Aug 27 21:26:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  422. Aug 27 21:26:22 <EndQuote>      How about Protect Magic Guard Abra?
  423. Aug 27 21:26:24 <merp>  or be smart and run missy and something thats not a ghost type
  424. Aug 27 21:26:25 <CBTerrakion>   no prem
  425. Aug 27 21:26:25 <Snowflakes>    Driflim most !
  426. Aug 27 21:26:31 <Snowflakes>    Missy*
  427. Aug 27 21:26:37 <EndQuote>      It can take out Mienfoo without blinking.
  428. Aug 27 21:26:42 <pokemon0078>   scraggy and mienfoo weak basically
  429. Aug 27 21:26:49 <CBTerrakion>   then mixkrow could wreck shit
  430. Aug 27 21:26:50 <merp>  besides the fact that it cant switch in
  431. Aug 27 21:26:51 <EndQuote>      ...or a flying type...
  432. Aug 27 21:26:55 <blarajan>      see
  433. Aug 27 21:26:58 <merp>  OH OH OH OH
  434. Aug 27 21:27:00 <merp>  archen
  435. Aug 27 21:27:00 <blarajan>      there's a reason most of us don't go for a flying type
  436. Aug 27 21:27:03 <merp>  lgi
  437. Aug 27 21:27:07 <blarajan>      when trying to check physical attackers
  438. Aug 27 21:27:14 <pokemon0078>   stealth rock?
  439. Aug 27 21:27:15 <RayJay>        no flying types have recovery
  440. Aug 27 21:27:19 <merp>  ARCHEN DOES
  441. Aug 27 21:27:20 <blarajan>      except rufflet
  442. Aug 27 21:27:21 <blarajan>      who sucks
  443. Aug 27 21:27:23 <RayJay>        no flying type resists*
  444. Aug 27 21:27:26 <Emidoxx>       subroost murkrow?
  445. Aug 27 21:27:27 <CBTerrakion>   mag has good phys d
  446. Aug 27 21:27:28 <merp>  but all flying types dont resist fighitng
  447. Aug 27 21:27:28 <merp>  lol
  448. Aug 27 21:27:37 <Snowflakes>    Drifloon !
  449. Aug 27 21:27:38 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  450. Aug 27 21:27:43 <pokemon0078>   I like the sound of missy though
  451. Aug 27 21:27:44 <Emidoxx>       natu?
  452. Aug 27 21:28:00 <Borogoves>     vullaby doesn't resist flying but it handles them p well
  453. Aug 27 21:28:03 <Emidoxx>       it quad resits the most used typing in lc
  454. Aug 27 21:28:06 <Borogoves>     fighting*
  455. Aug 27 21:28:09 <RayJay>        you need something that it's ok if it gets knocked off
  456. Aug 27 21:28:10 <pokemon0078>   it takes on the threats we need it to take on pretty well
  457. Aug 27 21:28:10 <KingTorterraXIV>       crunched to the face by scraggy
  458. Aug 27 21:28:43 <blarajan>      but we do recognize our fighting type weakness
  459. Aug 27 21:28:51 <Snowflakes>    Yeah
  460. Aug 27 21:28:52 <EndQuote>      How about Mantyke?
  461. Aug 27 21:28:53 <pokemon0078>   what type is knock off?
  462. Aug 27 21:28:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       ^
  463. Aug 27 21:28:56 <blarajan>      why mantyke?
  464. Aug 27 21:28:56 <Snowflakes>    Ark
  465. Aug 27 21:28:58 <KingTorterraXIV>       dark
  466. Aug 27 21:28:59 <Snowflakes>    dark*
  467. Aug 27 21:28:59 <blarajan>      and dark, pokemon0078
  468. Aug 27 21:29:25 <KingTorterraXIV>       hmmmmmmmm
  469. Aug 27 21:29:31 <RayJay>        mantyke compounds our chinchou weakness too much
  470. Aug 27 21:29:31 <EndQuote>      Fighting resist, water immunity, good typing.
  471. Aug 27 21:29:35 <merp>  mantyke
  472. Aug 27 21:29:37 <EndQuote>      Fair point.
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  474. Aug 27 21:29:44 <merp>  has no physical defense
  475. Aug 27 21:29:48 <merp>  of vale
  476. Aug 27 21:29:49 <merp>  value
  477. Aug 27 21:30:14 <blarajan>      well
  478. Aug 27 21:30:19 <EndQuote>      I associate Mantyke with Scald, I guess I always assume it's bulkier than it is because of burn...
  479. Aug 27 21:30:21 <blarajan>      mantyke doesn't really have any physical defense as said
  480. Aug 27 21:30:31 <merp>  we need it to take physical hits
  481. Aug 27 21:30:33 <blarajan>      and just honestly isn't particularly good
  482. Aug 27 21:30:35 <blarajan>      we need to check fighting types
  483. Aug 27 21:30:36 <merp>  and recover from it
  484. Aug 27 21:30:41 <Snowflakes>    Mienfoo
  485. Aug 27 21:30:41 <RayJay>        yeah mantyke is a dissappointment of a mon
  486. Aug 27 21:30:43 <merp>  why dont we be smart and run missy
  487. Aug 27 21:30:44 <blarajan>      timburr, scraggy, croagunk, mienfoo
  488. Aug 27 21:30:44 <PoJ>   Are we looking for a Mienfoo specific counter, or an in general Fighting pokemon check?
  489. Aug 27 21:30:45 <blarajan>      is problematic
  490. Aug 27 21:30:50 <RayJay>        woobat could work
  491. Aug 27 21:30:53 <EndQuote>      What about a bug-type?
  492. Aug 27 21:30:53 <merp>  woobat could
  493. Aug 27 21:30:57 <pokemon0078>   woobat
  494. Aug 27 21:30:59 <RayJay>        loses to scraggy tho
  495. Aug 27 21:31:01 <KingTorterraXIV>       larvesta :)
  496. Aug 27 21:31:03 <pokemon0078>   pstats, woobat
  497. Aug 27 21:31:03 <pstats>        Woobat [Psychic/Flying] Unaware/Klutz/Simple (DW) | 55/45/43/55/43/72 | LC | GK/LK: 20 BP
  498. Aug 27 21:31:06 <merp>  but doesnt woobat get raped
  499. Aug 27 21:31:07 <blarajan>      larvesta is a fantastic pokemon for this job
  500. Aug 27 21:31:07 <Snowflakes>    .
  501. Aug 27 21:31:08 <blarajan>      for the record
  502. Aug 27 21:31:10 <merp>  by like other stuff
  503. Aug 27 21:31:11 <merp>  oh
  504. Aug 27 21:31:12 <pokemon0078>   larvesta
  505. Aug 27 21:31:13 <KingTorterraXIV>       yes!
  506. Aug 27 21:31:14 <merp>  i forgot about larvesta
  507. Aug 27 21:31:16 <KingTorterraXIV>       larvesta <3
  508. Aug 27 21:31:16 <pokemon0078>   that sounds excellent
  509. Aug 27 21:31:18 <merp>  and i fucking made the mon
  510. Aug 27 21:31:20 <merp>  lol
  511. Aug 27 21:31:23 <Snowflakes>    So much lag for me :(
  512. Aug 27 21:31:23 <RayJay>        larvesta works, a spinner will be nice anyways
  513. Aug 27 21:31:28 <PoJ>   lol
  514. Aug 27 21:31:29 <EndQuote>      or a bouncer.
  515. Aug 27 21:31:34 <merp>  or we can run shelmet
  516. Aug 27 21:31:36 <Nebuchadnezzar>        What are we discussing guys?
  517. Aug 27 21:31:36 <merp>  and add some hazards
  518. Aug 27 21:31:37 <blarajan>      plus the thing is
  519. Aug 27 21:31:42 <Emidoxx>       if your putting volt switch magnemite and larvesta can this team be volt turn?
  520. Aug 27 21:31:47 <blarajan>      most of larvesta's checks
  521. Aug 27 21:31:51 <blarajan>      are ghost types that dratini can set up on
  522. Aug 27 21:31:56 <Snowflakes>    Oh !
  523. Aug 27 21:31:57 <KingTorterraXIV>       ^
  524. Aug 27 21:31:57 <Nebuchadnezzar>        Shelmet has been working for me currently
  525. Aug 27 21:31:59 <blarajan>      and like hippopotas and stuff
  526. Aug 27 21:32:01 <merp>  larvesta checks are ghost types?
  527. Aug 27 21:32:05 <blarajan>      u-turn
  528. Aug 27 21:32:05 <Snowflakes>    Drilvur moldvreakwr
  529. Aug 27 21:32:07 <blarajan>      is what i mean
  530. Aug 27 21:32:09 <merp>  lol hippo not running roar
  531. Aug 27 21:32:13 <blarajan>      or flare blitz from frillish and such
  532. Aug 27 21:32:13 <RayJay>        staryu gets curb stomped by magnemite
  533. Aug 27 21:32:22 <merp>  lo staryu doesnt
  534. Aug 27 21:32:26 <merp>  and lo staryu is the only good staryu
  535. Aug 27 21:32:29 <RayJay>        except for when it does
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  537. Aug 27 21:32:31 <RayJay>        which is always
  538. Aug 27 21:32:34 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  539. Aug 27 21:32:36 <blarajan>      hippopotas etc, we have a lot of set up if we have larvesta u-turn
  540. Aug 27 21:32:41 <merp>  assuming you hit
  541. Aug 27 21:32:42 <merp>  it doesnt
  542. Aug 27 21:32:43 <merp>  !
  543. Aug 27 21:32:47 <pokemon0078>   wait does larvesta get roost?
  544. Aug 27 21:32:50 <blarajan>      no =/
  545. Aug 27 21:32:50 <merp>  no
  546. Aug 27 21:32:51 <KingTorterraXIV>       no
  547. Aug 27 21:32:51 <Snowflakes>    no
  548. Aug 27 21:32:53 <Emidoxx>       no :/
  549. Aug 27 21:32:54 <KingTorterraXIV>       ):
  550. Aug 27 21:32:55 <Snowflakes>    morning sun
  551. Aug 27 21:32:55 <merp>  otherwise we would be all over that shit
  552. Aug 27 21:32:56 <merp>  lol
  553. Aug 27 21:32:57 <Snowflakes>    that's it
  554. Aug 27 21:33:08 <KingTorterraXIV>       so are we going with larvesta?
  555. Aug 27 21:33:10 <pokemon0078>   larvesta sounds good
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  557. Aug 27 21:33:23 <pokemon0078>   it checks the fighting-types we want it to check
  558. Aug 27 21:33:23 <merp>  okay so murkrow curbstomps us
  559. Aug 27 21:33:30 <blarajan>      well i mean not really
  560. Aug 27 21:33:32 <Snowflakes>    Irt
  561. Aug 27 21:33:39 <Snowflakes>    tirt* then
  562. Aug 27 21:33:40 <blarajan>      we have a magnemite for murkrow and if it has heat wave, we can set up dratini
  563. Aug 27 21:33:44 <merp>  mixkrow curbstomps everything
  564. Aug 27 21:33:46 <blarajan>      who lives heat wave + lo brave bird easy
  565. Aug 27 21:33:46 <blarajan>      and hits rest
  566. Aug 27 21:33:52 <blarajan>      then is much bulkier
  567. Aug 27 21:33:53 <merp>  what is this spread
  568. Aug 27 21:34:00 <Emidoxx>       bulky dragon dance
  569. Aug 27 21:34:00 <merp>  lol
  570. Aug 27 21:34:47 <EndQuote>      Are we using the standard larvesta set?
  571. Aug 27 21:34:57 <Hawkstar>      you're telling me magnemite can take LO BB + Heat Wave
  572. Aug 27 21:35:08 <blarajan>      no i said dratini can
  573. Aug 27 21:35:09 <EndQuote>      I think he's saying Dratini can.
  574. Aug 27 21:35:11 <Hawkstar>      oh
  575. Aug 27 21:35:12 <EndQuote>      Jynx
  576. Aug 27 21:35:16 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  577. Aug 27 21:35:21 <merp>  Murkrow@Life Orb (252 EVs, Neutral Nature) Brave Bird vs Dratini@Evolution Stone (28/236 EVs, Neutral Nature): 76.1 ~ 90.4% (16 ~ 19 HP)
  578. Aug 27 21:35:23 <merp>  living what easy?
  579. Aug 27 21:35:29 <PoJ>   o.o
  580. Aug 27 21:35:29 <blarajan>      it takes that much really
  581. Aug 27 21:35:32 <blarajan>      that's not my spread
  582. Aug 27 21:35:41 <merp>  what is it then
  583. Aug 27 21:35:46 <EndQuote>      108/76
  584. Aug 27 21:36:01 <merp>  Murkrow@Life Orb (252 EVs, Neutral Nature) Brave Bird vs Dratini@Evolution Stone (108/76 EVs, Neutral Nature): 72.7 ~ 95.4% (16 ~ 21 HP)
  585. Aug 27 21:36:04 <blarajan>      yeah so max
  586. Aug 27 21:36:05 <blarajan>      calc heat wave
  587. Aug 27 21:36:10 <blarajan>      21 is a big difference
  588. Aug 27 21:36:10 <merp>  how much spd
  589. Aug 27 21:36:27 <EndQuote>      156
  590. Aug 27 21:36:27 <Emidoxx>       14 for dratini
  591. Aug 27 21:36:28 <KingTorterraXIV>       14
  592. Aug 27 21:36:33 <merp>  Murkrow@Life Orb (88 EVs, Neutral Nature) Heat Wave vs Dratini@Evolution Stone (108/156 EVs, Neutral Nature): 18.1 ~ 22.7% (4 ~ 5 HP)
  593. Aug 27 21:36:45 <iss>   ko most of the time
  594. Aug 27 21:36:51 <blarajan>      okay so i was mistaken, sorry
  595. Aug 27 21:36:54 <iss>   definitely with any residual damage
  596. Aug 27 21:36:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       ):
  597. Aug 27 21:36:56 <blarajan>      so we do have issues with a well played mixkrow
  598. Aug 27 21:37:00 <PoJ>   That sucks :/
  599. Aug 27 21:37:03 <merp>  and thats why archen wins
  600. Aug 27 21:37:11 <merp>  it also gives us rocks
  601. Aug 27 21:37:12 <EndQuote>      Odd, if Heat Wave burned on switch-in, would we survive the brave bird because of Marvel Scale?
  602. Aug 27 21:37:12 <blarajan>      how does archen do fucking anything though
  603. Aug 27 21:37:15 <blarajan>      in the entire metagame ever
  604. Aug 27 21:37:17 <merp>  umm
  605. Aug 27 21:37:18 <merp>  sets up rocks
  606. Aug 27 21:37:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       lawl
  607. Aug 27 21:37:23 <EndQuote>      I really vote against Archen.
  608. Aug 27 21:37:23 <merp>  walls croagunk and mienfoo
  609. Aug 27 21:37:23 <Snowflakes>    Roosts .a
  610. Aug 27 21:37:32 <merp>  can actually take repeted hits from murkrow
  611. Aug 27 21:37:45 <blarajan>      i am really not liking archen for any legit team
  612. Aug 27 21:37:51 <PoJ>   I'd imagine a Drain Punch from Foo would hurt Archen a bit, wouldn't it?
  613. Aug 27 21:38:01 <RayJay>        less than you think tbh
  614. Aug 27 21:38:03 <merp>  unless you roost not really
  615. Aug 27 21:38:11 <merp>  its like 30% max
  616. Aug 27 21:38:12 <PoJ>   Is Archen faster?
  617. Aug 27 21:38:14 <merp>  yes
  618. Aug 27 21:38:15 <RayJay>        yes
  619. Aug 27 21:38:25 <merp>  it also has like 19 attack with not even max investment
  620. Aug 27 21:38:32 <merp>  22 with max
  621. Aug 27 21:38:32 <PoJ>   Oh, definitely not as bad as I thought
  622. Aug 27 21:38:39 <KingTorterraXIV>       thats lots
  623. Aug 27 21:38:57 <merp>  and pluck is useful for those dwebbles or stupid oran gastly
  624. Aug 27 21:39:10 <PoJ>   Gastly is still around?
  625. Aug 27 21:39:10 <blarajan>      see that's all you get though--from pluck
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  628. Aug 27 21:39:17 <KingTorterraXIV>       not really
  629. Aug 27 21:39:17 <blarajan>      not really no
  630. Aug 27 21:39:18 <merp>  well it has no brave bird
  631. Aug 27 21:39:19 <merp>  lol
  632. Aug 27 21:39:20 <blarajan>      and none that use oran berry
  633. Aug 27 21:39:29 <merp>  i said stupid oran gastly
  634. Aug 27 21:39:58 <KingTorterraXIV>       so what are we going to do bout mixkrow? ):
  635. Aug 27 21:40:31 <blarajan>      mixkrow is one of those pokemon you generally play around with really
  636. Aug 27 21:40:36 <blarajan>      but i didn't know we were legit that waek to it
  637. Aug 27 21:40:38 <blarajan>      weak*
  638. Aug 27 21:41:19 <merp>  we need priority at east if we want to play around it
  639. Aug 27 21:41:19 <blarajan>      archen definitely does assist with mixkrow issues but i'm still having issues with it helping us defensively
  640. Aug 27 21:41:34 <blarajan>      or it doing anything else but switching into krow
  641. Aug 27 21:41:53 <RayJay>        occa mag bros
  642. Aug 27 21:42:04 <CBTerrakion>   Mixkrow is powerful
  643. Aug 27 21:42:06 <KingTorterraXIV>       i said that at the beggining
  644. Aug 27 21:42:12 <CBTerrakion>   scarfers are needed
  645. Aug 27 21:42:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow :P
  646. Aug 27 21:42:23 <RayJay>        idk i dont like using an item for a set you dont even see every time
  647. Aug 27 21:42:34 <blarajan>      yeah and i really don't like using a pokemon solely to check one thing
  648. Aug 27 21:42:45 <KingTorterraXIV>       ):
  649. Aug 27 21:42:47 <blarajan>      like archen for mixkrow
  650. Aug 27 21:42:52 <merp>  again it switches
  651. Aug 27 21:42:56 <merp>  into croagunk mienfoo
  652. Aug 27 21:43:01 <RayJay>        i'd say lileep / staryu might be a good choice but i build defensively so
  653. Aug 27 21:43:02 <merp>  drilbur decently
  654. Aug 27 21:43:10 <blarajan>      we get nothing for +1 timburr
  655. Aug 27 21:43:10 <blarajan>      or +1 scraggy or anything
  656. Aug 27 21:43:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow :P
  657. Aug 27 21:43:26 <merp>  +1 scraggys should always win the game
  658. Aug 27 21:43:37 <CBTerrakion>   so how common is mixkrow
  659. Aug 27 21:43:50 <RayJay>        doesn't matter we should be prepared for it
  660. Aug 27 21:44:30 <blarajan>      that's not a mindset we should advocate prem >.<
  661. Aug 27 21:44:37 <merp>  okay fine.
  662. Aug 27 21:44:38 <CBTerrakion>   unless they miss hjk
  663. Aug 27 21:44:48 <Snowflakes>    Croagunk helps here then right?
  664. Aug 27 21:44:55 <merp>  yes croagunk fits well
  665. Aug 27 21:44:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       unless zen headbutt
  666. Aug 27 21:45:00 <blarajan>      croagunk sounds pretty good
  667. Aug 27 21:45:02 <blarajan>      to be honest
  668. Aug 27 21:45:07 <KingTorterraXIV>       : D
  669. Aug 27 21:45:08 <blarajan>      though zhb scraggy is garnering usage
  670. Aug 27 21:45:10 <merp>  mienfood and murkrow check
  671. Aug 27 21:45:14 <CBTerrakion>   orly
  672. Aug 27 21:45:22 <merp>  but.. knock off hjk is better :(
  673. Aug 27 21:45:22 <KingTorterraXIV>       mienfood?
  674. Aug 27 21:45:46 <blarajan>      from mienfoo?
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  676. Aug 27 21:46:40 <Cheeseburger>  test
  677. Aug 27 21:46:49 <KingTorterraXIV>       so is croagunk a go?
  678. Aug 27 21:46:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       or not yet?
  679. Aug 27 21:47:00 <blarajan>      well
  680. Aug 27 21:47:02 <EndQuote>      Doesn't that make us even more krow weak?
  681. Aug 27 21:47:07 <blarajan>      yeah that is kind of true
  682. Aug 27 21:47:10 <KingTorterraXIV>       it kinda does
  683. Aug 27 21:47:16 <blarajan>      lol
  684. Aug 27 21:47:18 <merp>  nah
  685. Aug 27 21:47:23 <merp>  it has priority
  686. Aug 27 21:47:28 <Snowflakes>    Doesn't check krow?
  687. Aug 27 21:47:31 <merp>  we just let something die and then we can acttually hit first
  688. Aug 27 21:47:32 <Snowflakes>    It*
  689. Aug 27 21:47:33 <merp>  !
  690. Aug 27 21:47:44 <merp>  and we will obviously pick something else
  691. Aug 27 21:47:51 <merp>  that can take a hit
  692. Aug 27 21:47:54 <EndQuote>      If it's behind a sub, you've got a dead frog on your hands...
  693. Aug 27 21:48:12 <merp>  if its behind a sub
  694. Aug 27 21:48:13 <blarajan>      well
  695. Aug 27 21:48:15 <blarajan>      if it's behind a sub
  696. Aug 27 21:48:17 <pokemon0078>   so something that checks murkrow and mienfoo?
  697. Aug 27 21:48:17 <merp>  you have a dead team in your hands
  698. Aug 27 21:48:18 <blarajan>      maggy counters
  699. Aug 27 21:48:31 <blarajan>      cause subkrow is subroost
  700. Aug 27 21:48:35 <merp>  nah sub can be used in mixkrow
  701. Aug 27 21:48:38 <blarajan>      it never is
  702. Aug 27 21:48:44 <merp>  i use it
  703. Aug 27 21:48:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       ^
  704. Aug 27 21:48:45 <merp>  sometimes
  705. Aug 27 21:48:45 <merp>  lol
  706. Aug 27 21:48:52 <blarajan>      so no one uses it
  707. Aug 27 21:48:55 <KingTorterraXIV>       well your the person that uses lo scraggy too
  708. Aug 27 21:48:59 <merp>  why does my usage account for nothing.
  709. Aug 27 21:49:11 <merp>  and ive played random people on the ladder
  710. Aug 27 21:49:12 <merp>  who ouse it
  711. Aug 27 21:49:18 <pokemon0078>   are we assuming mixkrow is running brave bird or drill peck?
  712. Aug 27 21:49:24 <blarajan>      brave bird
  713. Aug 27 21:49:25 <merp>  brave bird
  714. Aug 27 21:49:25 <KingTorterraXIV>       brave bird
  715. Aug 27 21:49:29 <pokemon0078>   ok
  716. Aug 27 21:49:33 <merp>  if its drill peck its easy to beat
  717. Aug 27 21:49:44 <Cheeseburger>  brave bird maybe not
  718. Aug 27 21:49:58 <EndQuote>      Should we add a spinner?
  719. Aug 27 21:50:05 <Emidoxx>       staryu?
  720. Aug 27 21:50:07 <KingTorterraXIV>       how much does another murkrow's brave bird do to murkrow
  721. Aug 27 21:50:08 <blarajan>      oh lol we still have larvesta don't we
  722. Aug 27 21:50:11 <Snowflakes>    Drilbur moldvreaker
  723. Aug 27 21:50:11 <blarajan>      a lot
  724. Aug 27 21:50:12 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  725. Aug 27 21:50:14 <pokemon0078>   yeah
  726. Aug 27 21:50:23 <Cheeseburger>  current team staus
  727. Aug 27 21:50:27 <Cheeseburger>  status*
  728. Aug 27 21:50:35 <blarajan>      okay we have
  729. Aug 27 21:50:38 <KingTorterraXIV>       dratini/magnemite/larvesta i think
  730. Aug 27 21:50:40 <pokemon0078>   does larvesta + magnemite check murkrow sufficiently?
  731. Aug 27 21:50:49 <blarajan>      i mean not really cause
  732. Aug 27 21:51:17 <blarajan>      you mispredict but still outrun and brave bird it
  733. Aug 27 21:51:19 <blarajan>      what if we try
  734. Aug 27 21:51:24 <blarajan>      scarfvesta
  735. Aug 27 21:51:25 <blarajan>      !
  736. Aug 27 21:51:27 <merp>  oh larvesta burn
  737. Aug 27 21:51:28 <KingTorterraXIV>       !
  738. Aug 27 21:51:37 <Snowflakes>    You're insane
  739. Aug 27 21:51:49 <Snowflakes>    flare blitz, charge upturn and what?
  740. Aug 27 21:51:52 <pokemon0078>   wait we are running bulky attacker magnemite right?
  741. Aug 27 21:51:57 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  742. Aug 27 21:51:59 <blarajan>      yeah we are
  743. Aug 27 21:52:33 <pokemon0078>   flare blitz / wild charge / u-turn / will-o-wisp
  744. Aug 27 21:52:36 <pokemon0078>   that might work
  745. Aug 27 21:52:43 <Snowflakes>    For scarf
  746. Aug 27 21:52:46 <blarajan>      well tbh probs not cause scarf can't switch into anything
  747. Aug 27 21:52:51 <blarajan>      definitely bulky w/ morning sun
  748. Aug 27 21:52:52 <Snowflakes>    Yeah
  749. Aug 27 21:52:58 <pokemon0078>   ok
  750. Aug 27 21:52:59 <blarajan>      so we got ourselves
  751. Aug 27 21:53:07 <pokemon0078>   we still don't have a scarfer though
  752. Aug 27 21:53:12 <blarajan>      we don't necessarily need one
  753. Aug 27 21:53:14 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow :)
  754. Aug 27 21:53:19 <blarajan>      scarfers aren't really that important in little cup is the thing
  755. Aug 27 21:53:25 <blarajan>      since unless you're scarf porygon
  756. Aug 27 21:53:28 <blarajan>      you lose to the fastest poke
  757. Aug 27 21:53:45 <pokemon0078>   what is the fastest poke anyway?
  758. Aug 27 21:53:51 <Emidoxx>       scarf porygon is useful for countering sand teams
  759. Aug 27 21:54:02 <Snowflakes>    Drilbur
  760. Aug 27 21:54:06 <blarajan>      drilbur, pokemon0078
  761. Aug 27 21:54:14 <pokemon0078>   alright then
  762. Aug 27 21:54:24 <Snowflakes>    And smovee scarf
  763. Aug 27 21:54:26 <Snowflakes>    snover*
  764. Aug 27 21:54:33 <KingTorterraXIV>       so are we using bulky larvesta?
  765. Aug 27 21:54:39 <blarajan>      yeah
  766. Aug 27 21:54:58 <KingTorterraXIV>       just the normal eviolite analysis?
  767. Aug 27 21:55:10 <blarajan>      ya
  768. Aug 27 21:55:12 <pokemon0078>   I imagine yeah
  769. Aug 27 21:55:20 <PoJ>   Sorry guys, g2g, good luck
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  771. Aug 27 21:55:53 <blarajan>      what about tirtouga, legit?
  772. Aug 27 21:56:00 <KingTorterraXIV>       i like tirtouga
  773. Aug 27 21:56:02 <blarajan>      that gives us another reason to use a spinner
  774. Aug 27 21:56:03 <EndQuote>      I'd like to try tirtouga.
  775. Aug 27 21:56:04 <blarajan>      too
  776. Aug 27 21:56:09 <pokemon0078>   tirtouga seems excellent
  777. Aug 27 21:56:14 <KingTorterraXIV>       yay
  778. Aug 27 21:56:17 <pokemon0078>   smash?
  779. Aug 27 21:56:38 <KingTorterraXIV>       i would believe so
  780. Aug 27 21:56:51 <blarajan>      we do want sr too
  781. Aug 27 21:57:00 <blarajan>      so a bulky one might work?
  782. Aug 27 21:57:02 <pokemon0078>   that's what I was about to say
  783. Aug 27 21:57:04 <pokemon0078>   yeah bulky
  784. Aug 27 21:57:05 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  785. Aug 27 21:57:10 <KingTorterraXIV>       i havent tried bulky yet
  786. Aug 27 21:57:13 <blarajan>      the things that check bulky tirtouga
  787. Aug 27 21:57:14 <pokemon0078>   what kind of spread are we going for then?
  788. Aug 27 21:57:16 <blarajan>      are primarily grass types
  789. Aug 27 21:57:17 <blarajan>      like shroomish
  790. Aug 27 21:57:19 <blarajan>      foongus
  791. Aug 27 21:57:21 <KingTorterraXIV>       lileep
  792. Aug 27 21:57:22 <blarajan>      lileep
  793. Aug 27 21:57:22 <blarajan>      etc
  794. Aug 27 21:57:25 <blarajan>      which are all set up on by dratini
  795. Aug 27 21:57:31 <pokemon0078>   full physically defensive?
  796. Aug 27 21:57:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       ya
  797. Aug 27 21:57:36 <blarajan>      ummm
  798. Aug 27 21:57:44 <blarajan>      before spread
  799. Aug 27 21:57:46 <blarajan>      let's work on set
  800. Aug 27 21:57:49 <blarajan>      stealth rock for sure
  801. Aug 27 21:57:49 <KingTorterraXIV>       ya
  802. Aug 27 21:57:52 <blarajan>      scald
  803. Aug 27 21:58:05 <Snowflakes>    Scald edge, Sr knock off
  804. Aug 27 21:58:07 <blarajan>      what about knock off?
  805. Aug 27 21:58:15 <blarajan>      i don't think stone edge is a good thing right now
  806. Aug 27 21:58:20 <blarajan>      i'd probably go with rock slide
  807. Aug 27 21:58:26 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  808. Aug 27 21:58:36 <blarajan>      it's just chip damage
  809. Aug 27 21:58:39 <Snowflakes>    jus using moves me and ebesdt ised
  810. Aug 27 21:58:42 <Snowflakes>    used*
  811. Aug 27 21:58:45 <pokemon0078>   good idea
  812. Aug 27 21:58:53 <Snowflakes>    We made bulky set awhile ago
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  816. Aug 27 21:59:32 <blarajan>      we would then have
  817. Aug 27 21:59:46 <blarajan>      magnemite / larvesta, forming voltturn i guess
  818. Aug 27 21:59:47 <blarajan>      for dratini
  819. Aug 27 21:59:55 <blarajan>      and tirt gets a lot of sr opportunities that way
  820. Aug 27 22:00:01 <Snowflakes>    Am I lagging?
  821. Aug 27 22:00:03 <Emidoxx>       yay volturn
  822. Aug 27 22:00:03 <pokemon0078>   evs?
  823. Aug 27 22:00:05 <Snowflakes>    Yes I am
  824. Aug 27 22:00:12 <blarajan>      hmm
  825. Aug 27 22:00:29 <KingTorterraXIV>       still +1 scraggy hurts alot of the team
  826. Aug 27 22:00:36 <pokemon0078>   max hp max def is 164 / 252 btw
  827. Aug 27 22:00:50 <KingTorterraXIV>       for tirtouga?
  828. Aug 27 22:01:03 <blarajan>      EVs: 244 HP / 12 Def / 12 SAtk / 236 SDef
  829. Aug 27 22:01:03 <blarajan>      Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
  830. Aug 27 22:01:03 <blarajan>      on tirtouga
  831. Aug 27 22:01:47 <KingTorterraXIV>       man 26 defense with eviolite
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  833. Aug 27 22:01:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       *27
  834. Aug 27 22:01:53 <blarajan>      27 actually
  835. Aug 27 22:01:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  836. Aug 27 22:01:58 <pokemon0078>   oh
  837. Aug 27 22:02:16 <pokemon0078>   I didn't notice that it hit 25 hp
  838. Aug 27 22:02:23 <blarajan>      it's pretty bulky
  839. Aug 27 22:02:24 <blarajan>      25 / 27 / 21
  840. Aug 27 22:02:30 <KingTorterraXIV>       for some reason i thought half of 18 was 8
  841. Aug 27 22:02:52 <pokemon0078>   yeah that's an excellent spread blara
  842. Aug 27 22:03:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       ^
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  845. Aug 27 22:03:34 <pokemon0078>   it gives max hp and boosts the weaker defense, as well as giving an extra point in def and spa
  846. Aug 27 22:04:08 <KingTorterraXIV>       also good if the opponent is using sand
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  848. Aug 27 22:04:12 <KingTorterraXIV>       sp def boost :P
  849. Aug 27 22:04:41 <blarajan>      i'm thinking this looks pretty good right now
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  851. Aug 27 22:04:47 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  852. Aug 27 22:04:59 <blarajan>      we have
  853. Aug 27 22:05:10 <blarajan>      bulky magnemite / bulky larvesta / tirtouga / dratini
  854. Aug 27 22:05:17 <blarajan>      anyone here want to point out big threats?
  855. Aug 27 22:05:23 <KingTorterraXIV>       hmmm
  856. Aug 27 22:05:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       +1 scraggy hurts alot of the team
  857. Aug 27 22:05:35 <blarajan>      why?
  858. Aug 27 22:06:12 <KingTorterraXIV>       well it kills mag, can 2ko tirtouga, idk how many hits dratiini can take
  859. Aug 27 22:06:16 <Snowflakes>    Drilbur
  860. Aug 27 22:06:16 <Snowflakes>    what do
  861. Aug 27 22:06:24 <KingTorterraXIV>       oh yeah
  862. Aug 27 22:06:24 <pokemon0078>   mienfoo with stone edge looks really annoying to deal with
  863. Aug 27 22:06:26 <KingTorterraXIV>       and that
  864. Aug 27 22:06:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       how bulky is dratini
  865. Aug 27 22:06:47 <KingTorterraXIV>       guesstimate
  866. Aug 27 22:06:53 <blarajan>      very.
  867. Aug 27 22:07:06 <blarajan>      uh
  868. Aug 27 22:07:12 <blarajan>      like over 30 when asleep
  869. Aug 27 22:07:17 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  870. Aug 27 22:07:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       thats alot
  871. Aug 27 22:07:26 <KingTorterraXIV>       so uhhh
  872. Aug 27 22:07:28 <KingTorterraXIV>       idk
  873. Aug 27 22:07:53 <blarajan>      so we don't like
  874. Aug 27 22:07:56 <blarajan>      fighting types with rock attacks
  875. Aug 27 22:07:59 <blarajan>      is what we're getting now?
  876. Aug 27 22:08:19 <KingTorterraXIV>       i guess, cause dratini is so bulky when asleep
  877. Aug 27 22:08:28 <EndQuote>      I kinda worry about Bulk Up Timburr.
  878. Aug 27 22:08:38 <pokemon0078>   what is our ev spread on dratini?
  879. Aug 27 22:09:03 <blarajan>      uhhh
  880. Aug 27 22:09:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       108hp/4atk/76def/156spdef/116speed jolly i think
  881. Aug 27 22:09:06 <blarajan>      someone c/p for me please
  882. Aug 27 22:09:24 <KingTorterraXIV>       i think that is it
  883. Aug 27 22:10:16 <pokemon0078>   the one on-site or the above one?
  884. Aug 27 22:10:20 <blarajan>      what do we like for rock type fighting?
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  886. Aug 27 22:10:42 <pokemon0078>   you mean rock/fighting coverage?
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  891. Aug 27 22:11:17 <blarajan>      yeah
  892. Aug 27 22:11:25 <blarajan>      someone here c/p the team for em
  893. Aug 27 22:11:30 <pokemon0078>   ok
  894. Aug 27 22:11:41 <pokemon0078>   you mean the full sets?
  895. Aug 27 22:11:46 <blarajan>      nah
  896. Aug 27 22:11:49 <elevator_music>        just the pokes is fine
  897. Aug 27 22:11:50 <blarajan>      just what we have
  898. Aug 27 22:11:53 <blarajan>      and basic spreads
  899. Aug 27 22:12:07 <blarajan>      and sets
  900. Aug 27 22:12:11 <blarajan>      anyone here wanna?
  901. Aug 27 22:12:22 <pokemon0078>   sure then
  902. Aug 27 22:13:07 <Cheeseburger>  pastebin blajaran
  903. Aug 27 22:13:17 <blarajan>      i haven't been building it lol
  904. Aug 27 22:13:27 <Cheeseburger>  blajaran!
  905. Aug 27 22:13:30 <Cheeseburger>  :(
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  907. Aug 27 22:13:49 <pokemon0078>   resttalk dd dratini w/ 108 HP / 4 Atk / 76 Def / 156 SpD / 116 Spe Jolly | bulky larvesta | bulky tirtouga | bulky attacker magnemite
  908. Aug 27 22:13:53 <CBTerrakion>   pastebin plox
  909. Aug 27 22:13:57 <pokemon0078>   is that what you wanted?
  910. Aug 27 22:14:03 <CBTerrakion>   yeah
  911. Aug 27 22:14:04 <elevator_music>        thats perfect, thanks
  912. Aug 27 22:14:21 <elevator_music>        that seems like a good start to me
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  915. Aug 27 22:14:42 <KingTorterra>  ok my internet just died
  916. Aug 27 22:14:44 <pokemon0078>   oh and tirtouga is running 244 HP / 12 Def / 12 SpA / 236 SpD Relaxed
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  918. Aug 27 22:14:55 <KingTorterra>  ok there
  919. Aug 27 22:15:04 <blarajan>      is anyone building this for me
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  921. Aug 27 22:15:06 <blarajan>      i'd love you forever
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  923. Aug 27 22:15:09 <pokemon0078>   on pastebin blara?
  924. Aug 27 22:15:18 <blarajan>      yes plz
  925. Aug 27 22:15:19 <pokemon0078>   I will do it if you want
  926. Aug 27 22:15:22 <blarajan>      <3
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  928. Aug 27 22:15:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok fixed
  929. Aug 27 22:15:50 <KingTorterraXIV>       did we add anything new yet?
  930. Aug 27 22:16:01 <elevator_music>        I'm thinking we're going to want something else that plays comfortably against misdreavus
  931. Aug 27 22:16:33 <elevator_music>        and something for scraggy?
  932. Aug 27 22:16:35 <blarajan>      and fighting types with rock type attacks
  933. Aug 27 22:16:43 <elevator_music>        mhmm (like LO mienfoo)
  934. Aug 27 22:16:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol lo mienfoo
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  936. Aug 27 22:17:11 <CBTerrakion>   http://pastebin.com/Esw1Bsvu
  937. Aug 27 22:17:25 <blarajan>      em fuck
  938. Aug 27 22:17:30 <blarajan>      i legit gotta go
  939. Aug 27 22:17:32 <blarajan>      can you please finish it
  940. Aug 27 22:17:38 <merp>  me and em got this
  941. Aug 27 22:17:38 <merp>  !
  942. Aug 27 22:17:40 <elevator_music>        sure thing
  943. Aug 27 22:17:43 <elevator_music>        lol that pastebin
  944. Aug 27 22:17:48 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok we didnt add anything new
  945. Aug 27 22:17:52 <KingTorterraXIV>       since i left
  946. Aug 27 22:18:08 <elevator_music>        so i think the fighting pokemon are more pressing
  947. Aug 27 22:18:12 <elevator_music>        we should focus on that right now
  948. Aug 27 22:18:17 <EndQuote>      http://pastebin.com/pNF8rub5
  949. Aug 27 22:18:20 <merp>  ARCHEN BRO
  950. Aug 27 22:18:21 <blarajan>      sorry guys
  951. Aug 27 22:18:22 <merp>  or missy
  952. Aug 27 22:18:24 <blarajan>      em plz finish
  953. Aug 27 22:18:29 <EndQuote>      What about a Murkrow?
  954. Aug 27 22:18:31 <merp>  idk why we havent agreed on missy yet
  955. Aug 27 22:18:32 <elevator_music>        misdreavus could work
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  957. Aug 27 22:18:34 <merp>  murkrow
  958. Aug 27 22:18:39 <EndQuote>      If we need something to check missy and fighting-types.
  959. Aug 27 22:18:40 <merp>  can be played around
  960. Aug 27 22:18:52 <EndQuote>      Merp, so can everything...
  961. Aug 27 22:18:56 <merp>  i mean
  962. Aug 27 22:18:57 <merp>  with what we have
  963. Aug 27 22:19:00 <elevator_music>        well its really: LO mienfoo, scraggy, and misdreavus we need to worry about
  964. Aug 27 22:19:06 <merp>  hell even if we have missy
  965. Aug 27 22:19:08 <elevator_music>        only mienfoo sometimes runs rock attacks
  966. Aug 27 22:19:10 <merp>  we can play around murkrow easier
  967. Aug 27 22:19:10 <EndQuote>      No, I mean what if we used Murkrow?
  968. Aug 27 22:19:15 <merp>  oh
  969. Aug 27 22:19:22 <elevator_music>        scraggy because we cant rely on larvesta to deal with it
  970. Aug 27 22:19:22 <merp>  that solves revenging
  971. Aug 27 22:19:26 <EndQuote>      Murkrow can help against fighting-types, and missy.
  972. Aug 27 22:19:30 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow!
  973. Aug 27 22:19:31 <elevator_music>        and missy because we lack good switchins to it atm
  974. Aug 27 22:19:33 <merp>  but it cant come in
  975. Aug 27 22:19:38 <elevator_music>        speaking of which
  976. Aug 27 22:19:46 <elevator_music>        its criminal to run larvesta without a spinner
  977. Aug 27 22:20:01 <EndQuote>      Forgot about the spinner.
  978. Aug 27 22:20:12 <elevator_music>        our options are pretty much just drilbur and staryu
  979. Aug 27 22:20:24 <elevator_music>        every other spinner in LC is mediocre at best
  980. Aug 27 22:20:27 <pokemon0078>   yeah we need a spinner
  981. Aug 27 22:20:29 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  982. Aug 27 22:20:38 <KingTorterraXIV>       mold breaker drilbur :P
  983. Aug 27 22:20:42 <elevator_music>        we could also run natu, but that only makes our current problems worse
  984. Aug 27 22:20:55 <EndQuote>      What about Anorith?
  985. Aug 27 22:21:00 <elevator_music>        we might need to replace one of our current pokemon
  986. Aug 27 22:21:07 <merp>  mediocre
  987. Aug 27 22:21:15 <elevator_music>        anorith will have problems staying alive and doesnt really add anything to the team
  988. Aug 27 22:21:20 <elevator_music>        tbh, i like staryu on this team
  989. Aug 27 22:21:21 <KingTorterraXIV>       we got dratini/mag/larvesta/tirtouga
  990. Aug 27 22:21:39 <merp>  is it
  991. Aug 27 22:21:39 <elevator_music>        because it draws in chinchou, ferroseed, shroomish/foongus, lileep, etc
  992. Aug 27 22:21:41 <merp>  lo staryu
  993. Aug 27 22:21:42 <merp>  ?
  994. Aug 27 22:21:48 <elevator_music>        those are all pokemon dratini can set up on
  995. Aug 27 22:22:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       that does work i guess
  996. Aug 27 22:22:06 <elevator_music>        it might be better to run eviolite so it can have an easier time spinning
  997. Aug 27 22:22:18 <elevator_music>        also 19 speed will help against lo mienfoo and to an extent missy
  998. Aug 27 22:22:24 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  999. Aug 27 22:22:30 <elevator_music>        as much as i hate it
  1000. Aug 27 22:22:34 <KingTorterraXIV>       how well does missy take hydro pumps?
  1001. Aug 27 22:22:43 <elevator_music>        it might be good to get rid of either tirtouga or magnemite
  1002. Aug 27 22:22:45 <pokemon0078>   staryu sounds pretty good
  1003. Aug 27 22:22:50 <elevator_music>        most missy are 2hkoed
  1004. Aug 27 22:22:54 <elevator_music>        unless theyre really bulky
  1005. Aug 27 22:23:03 <KingTorterraXIV>       if we get rid of tirtouga
  1006. Aug 27 22:23:04 <elevator_music>        but bulky ones are setup for dratini too i think
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  1008. Aug 27 22:23:09 <KingTorterraXIV>       we need another way of getting up rocks
  1009. Aug 27 22:23:21 <elevator_music>        hmmm
  1010. Aug 27 22:23:23 <elevator_music>        you know
  1011. Aug 27 22:23:29 <pokemon0078>   magnemite is being used to lure stuff for dratini to set up on mostly
  1012. Aug 27 22:23:37 <elevator_music>        what helps against mienfoo AND misdreavus (and sorta scraggy but not really anymore lol)
  1013. Aug 27 22:23:41 <elevator_music>        is croagunk
  1014. Aug 27 22:23:43 <elevator_music>        x.x
  1015. Aug 27 22:23:48 <KingTorterraXIV>       well
  1016. Aug 27 22:23:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       we thought of croagunk
  1017. Aug 27 22:23:59 <merp>  didnt we agree on croagunk
  1018. Aug 27 22:24:00 <merp>  a whlie ago
  1019. Aug 27 22:24:00 <KingTorterraXIV>       but mixkrow x.x
  1020. Aug 27 22:24:08 <elevator_music>        what about mixkrow?
  1021. Aug 27 22:24:17 <pokemon0078>   doesn't tirtouga take most of what mixkrow has?
  1022. Aug 27 22:24:25 <KingTorterraXIV>       besides like
  1023. Aug 27 22:24:27 <KingTorterraXIV>       hp grass
  1024. Aug 27 22:24:29 <pokemon0078>   I mean other than HP Grass tirtouga takes brave bird and heat wave
  1025. Aug 27 22:24:34 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  1026. Aug 27 22:24:36 <pokemon0078>   and sucker punch
  1027. Aug 27 22:24:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       just before we were concerned about a well played mixkrow
  1028. Aug 27 22:24:58 <KingTorterraXIV>       when we had like
  1029. Aug 27 22:25:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       dratini/larvesta/mag
  1030. Aug 27 22:25:20 <elevator_music>        dratini/magnemite/croagunk/tirtouga/staryu/larvesta
  1031. Aug 27 22:25:21 <elevator_music>        hmm
  1032. Aug 27 22:25:39 <pokemon0078>   that seems pretty okay
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  1036. Aug 27 22:25:45 <KingTorterraXIV>       hmmm
  1037. Aug 27 22:25:46 <pokemon0078>   what can't we deal with?
  1038. Aug 27 22:25:50 <elevator_music>        prem can you see anything that really screws that up
  1039. Aug 27 22:25:50 <merp>  lets get vader's opinion on this team
  1040. Aug 27 22:25:52 <elevator_music>        scraggy i guess
  1041. Aug 27 22:25:57 <merp>  scraggy
  1042. Aug 27 22:25:59 <elevator_music>        since they all run zen headbutt now
  1043. Aug 27 22:26:02 <merp>  obviously
  1044. Aug 27 22:26:05 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow :P
  1045. Aug 27 22:26:14 <merp>  staryu takes the hit
  1046. Aug 27 22:26:19 <elevator_music>        we could just throw foongus over magnemite i guess x.x
  1047. Aug 27 22:26:19 <merp>  tirtouga beats it
  1048. Aug 27 22:26:26 <merp>  what would that do?
  1049. Aug 27 22:26:33 <merp>  how does foongus beat scraggy
  1050. Aug 27 22:26:33 <pokemon0078>   does larvesta do okay against scraggy?
  1051. Aug 27 22:26:36 <merp>  yes
  1052. Aug 27 22:26:37 <elevator_music>        cant that help against scraggy?
  1053. Aug 27 22:26:44 <merp>  how?
  1054. Aug 27 22:26:49 <merp>  get set up on
  1055. Aug 27 22:26:50 <elevator_music>        with clear smog and giga drain
  1056. Aug 27 22:26:50 <merp>  whlie shed skin
  1057. Aug 27 22:26:53 <merp>  kicks your ass
  1058. Aug 27 22:26:54 <merp>  h
  1059. Aug 27 22:26:58 <merp>  idk i run knock off
  1060. Aug 27 22:27:00 <merp>  so i would prolly win
  1061. Aug 27 22:27:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       zen headbutt
  1062. Aug 27 22:27:08 <elevator_music>        oh true
  1063. Aug 27 22:27:15 <elevator_music>        ok umm
  1064. Aug 27 22:28:06 <KingTorterraXIV>       so what do we have now?
  1065. Aug 27 22:28:33 <pokemon0078>   nothing different
  1066. Aug 27 22:28:39 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok
  1067. Aug 27 22:28:51 <KingTorterraXIV>       we might add staryu and croagunk though
  1068. Aug 27 22:28:58 <KingTorterraXIV>       if my understanding is correct
  1069. Aug 27 22:29:38 <elevator_music>        the only problem i can see there is scraggy, and to an extent drilbur
  1070. Aug 27 22:29:49 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  1071. Aug 27 22:29:50 <merp>  scraggy and drilbur are issues to every team
  1072. Aug 27 22:29:52 <elevator_music>        because we have no ground resists and 3 weaknesses lol
  1073. Aug 27 22:30:05 <EndQuote>      We could use a cleric, too.
  1074. Aug 27 22:30:09 <KingTorterraXIV>       3 weaknesses?
  1075. Aug 27 22:30:13 <KingTorterraXIV>       i only see 2
  1076. Aug 27 22:30:17 <elevator_music>        mag/croagunk/tirtouga
  1077. Aug 27 22:30:21 <KingTorterraXIV>       oh
  1078. Aug 27 22:30:25 <EndQuote>      Actually, we could remain cleric/less
  1079. Aug 27 22:30:28 <KingTorterraXIV>       so we did add croagunk and staryu!
  1080. Aug 27 22:30:37 <elevator_music>        well i was just toying with that idea
  1081. Aug 27 22:30:47 <elevator_music>        i can see why we would shirk away from croagunk though
  1082. Aug 27 22:30:48 <KingTorterraXIV>       hmmm
  1083. Aug 27 22:30:55 <elevator_music>        imo staryu is a must if we run larvesta
  1084. Aug 27 22:31:03 <elevator_music>        (on this team anyways)
  1085. Aug 27 22:31:19 <merp>  yes it is
  1086. Aug 27 22:31:31 <merp>  scraggy
  1087. Aug 27 22:31:38 <CBTerrakion>   merp
  1088. Aug 27 22:31:40 <merp>  just has to get beaten down enough by dratini
  1089. Aug 27 22:31:41 <elevator_music>        umm ok
  1090. Aug 27 22:31:42 <merp>  and stuff
  1091. Aug 27 22:31:46 <merp>  and then beat with croagunk
  1092. Aug 27 22:31:47 <elevator_music>        what are our options against scraggy
  1093. Aug 27 22:31:48 <merp>  if not we cry
  1094. Aug 27 22:32:05 <elevator_music>        mienfoo is redundant on this team, and shelmet doesnt really fit
  1095. Aug 27 22:32:07 <elevator_music>        "koffing"
  1096. Aug 27 22:32:09 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarf mons
  1097. Aug 27 22:32:09 <elevator_music>        umm
  1098. Aug 27 22:32:13 <elevator_music>        or just a scarf poke
  1099. Aug 27 22:32:13 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow :P
  1100. Aug 27 22:32:15 <merp>  SHELMET OVER LARVESTA
  1101. Aug 27 22:32:18 <elevator_music>        which is acceptable heh
  1102. Aug 27 22:32:28 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  1103. Aug 27 22:32:34 <merp>  what does larvesta do for this team that shelmet doesnt lol
  1104. Aug 27 22:32:39 <merp>  then we dont even need staryu
  1105. Aug 27 22:32:58 <elevator_music>        does anyone have the log where we picked larvesta
  1106. Aug 27 22:33:04 <elevator_music>        actually does anyone have the full log?
  1107. Aug 27 22:33:10 <EndQuote>      ...playing one right now...
  1108. Aug 27 22:33:17 <pokemon0078>   of what?
  1109. Aug 27 22:33:27 <EndQuote>      Whoops thought EM meant battle log
  1110. Aug 27 22:33:27 <KingTorterraXIV>       i dont cause my computer dropped me from the chat
  1111. Aug 27 22:33:29 <elevator_music>        this session
  1112. Aug 27 22:33:37 <elevator_music>        iss do you?
  1113. Aug 27 22:33:58 <iss>   yeah i do
  1114. Aug 27 22:34:03 <elevator_music>        ok
  1115. Aug 27 22:34:06 <pokemon0078>   I have a log as well
  1116. Aug 27 22:34:08 <elevator_music>        were you here when we picked larvesta?
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  1118. Aug 27 22:34:10 *       services.synirc.net sets mode +r iss|afk
  1119. Aug 27 22:34:12 <iss|afk>       probably
  1120. Aug 27 22:34:23 <elevator_music>        hmm
  1121. Aug 27 22:34:32 <iss|afk>       i have to go now though
  1122. Aug 27 22:34:34 <elevator_music>        i can see dropping larvesta (and even keeping staryu)
  1123. Aug 27 22:34:35 <KingTorterraXIV>       i was, but my internet dropped me
  1124. Aug 27 22:34:35 <iss|afk>       i'll post the full log later
  1125. Aug 27 22:34:43 <elevator_music>        ok, thanks
  1126. Aug 27 22:34:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       i think i was the one that suggested larvesta, but i cant remeber why
  1127. Aug 27 22:35:01 <pokemon0078>   we picked larvesta because we wanted a fighting resist
  1128. Aug 27 22:35:07 <KingTorterraXIV>       oh ya
  1129. Aug 27 22:35:13 <pokemon0078>   that could work against mienfoo and scraggy
  1130. Aug 27 22:35:15 <KingTorterraXIV>       but shelmet does that too
  1131. Aug 27 22:35:24 <KingTorterraXIV>       kinda
  1132. Aug 27 22:35:34 <KingTorterraXIV>       it cant hurt them really is the problem
  1133. Aug 27 22:35:35 <merp>  we wanted a fighting resist
  1134. Aug 27 22:35:37 <merp>  and picked larvesta
  1135. Aug 27 22:35:54 <merp>  shelmet hurts timburr scraggy mienfoo and croagunk
  1136. Aug 27 22:35:58 <merp>  which is what we want to hit
  1137. Aug 27 22:36:01 <KingTorterraXIV>       wait
  1138. Aug 27 22:36:08 <KingTorterraXIV>       how does it hurt them
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  1140. Aug 27 22:36:11 <KingTorterraXIV>       all i can think of is
  1141. Aug 27 22:36:12 <merp>  hp flying
  1142. Aug 27 22:36:12 <pokemon0078>   we wanted it to have recovery
  1143. Aug 27 22:36:13 <KingTorterraXIV>       bug buzz
  1144. Aug 27 22:36:19 <elevator_music>        it just stalls them out lol
  1145. Aug 27 22:36:25 <merp>  it hurts them at the same time
  1146. Aug 27 22:36:25 <merp>  !
  1147. Aug 27 22:36:28 <elevator_music>        yea
  1148. Aug 27 22:36:41 <elevator_music>        between shelmet and croagunk we should be set
  1149. Aug 27 22:36:43 <elevator_music>        ok
  1150. Aug 27 22:36:46 <merp>  and now
  1151. Aug 27 22:36:46 <elevator_music>        i guess shelmet will work
  1152. Aug 27 22:36:47 <pokemon0078>   however I think shelmet is a good idea
  1153. Aug 27 22:36:49 <merp>  we can get rid of staryu
  1154. Aug 27 22:36:51 <merp>  and put something
  1155. Aug 27 22:36:53 <pokemon0078>   that gives us
  1156. Aug 27 22:36:55 <merp>  that is actually threatening there
  1157. Aug 27 22:36:56 <merp>  !
  1158. Aug 27 22:37:04 <elevator_music>        nah we should still run a spinner with shelmet
  1159. Aug 27 22:37:17 <KingTorterraXIV>       so dratini/mag/shelmet/staryu/tirtouga?
  1160. Aug 27 22:37:23 <KingTorterraXIV>       if i am correst
  1161. Aug 27 22:37:29 <KingTorterraXIV>       *correct
  1162. Aug 27 22:37:30 <elevator_music>        shelmet is really bleh without a spinner
  1163. Aug 27 22:37:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       shelmet is bleh in general for me
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  1165. Aug 27 22:37:51 <EndQuote>      Ha, dratini just took down a SD Drilbur in sand.
  1166. Aug 27 22:37:54 <EndQuote>      I like this team.
  1167. Aug 27 22:37:57 <EndQuote>      http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-lc879788
  1168. Aug 27 22:38:19 <elevator_music>        what are options that help check drilbur
  1169. Aug 27 22:38:24 <KingTorterraXIV>       lileep
  1170. Aug 27 22:38:35 <KingTorterraXIV>       but it doesnt really work on this team
  1171. Aug 27 22:38:37 <elevator_music>        since we have tirtouga all we need is something else to check it with
  1172. Aug 27 22:39:02 <elevator_music>        hmm the problem is we're still going to want a better switch to misdreavus
  1173. Aug 27 22:39:07 <elevator_music>        i cant think of something that does both
  1174. Aug 27 22:39:35 <KingTorterraXIV>       porygon maybe?
  1175. Aug 27 22:39:40 <KingTorterraXIV>       idk how much damage eq does
  1176. Aug 27 22:39:48 <EndQuote>      Murkrow can Sucker Punch Drilbur to help out, but can't swap into defensive missy. (WoW)
  1177. Aug 27 22:40:00 <elevator_music>        we still need something that does alright against fighting-types with rock moves
  1178. Aug 27 22:40:09 <elevator_music>        shelmet loses to those (lo mienfoo)
  1179. Aug 27 22:40:19 <merp>  lo mienfoo loes to something faster than i
  1180. Aug 27 22:40:20 <merp>  it
  1181. Aug 27 22:40:23 <merp>  do we have nothing like that?
  1182. Aug 27 22:40:23 <KingTorterraXIV>       abraaaaaaaaaaa
  1183. Aug 27 22:40:37 <pokemon0078>   croagunk does good though doesn't it?
  1184. Aug 27 22:40:58 <elevator_music>        we can throw in gunk but that still leaves us scared of drilbur
  1185. Aug 27 22:41:09 <elevator_music>        though then i guess we can switch magnemite for like
  1186. Aug 27 22:41:26 <elevator_music>        idk something not frightened of drilbur or murkrow
  1187. Aug 27 22:41:36 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow!!!!
  1188. Aug 27 22:41:45 <KingTorterraXIV>       :D
  1189. Aug 27 22:42:03 <EndQuote>      Focus Sash MG Abra can kick Mienfoo's a** if you use Protect.
  1190. Aug 27 22:42:03 <merp>  em
  1191. Aug 27 22:42:05 <elevator_music>        that doesnt help much against drilbur lol
  1192. Aug 27 22:42:08 <elevator_music>        subroost krow might though
  1193. Aug 27 22:42:11 <elevator_music>        ?
  1194. Aug 27 22:42:13 <merp>  nothing fufills that requirement
  1195. Aug 27 22:42:13 <merp>  lol
  1196. Aug 27 22:42:48 <KingTorterraXIV>       well abra takes care of fighting types
  1197. Aug 27 22:42:50 <elevator_music>        i do think subroost krow is good in that spot
  1198. Aug 27 22:43:01 <KingTorterraXIV>       in place of mag?
  1199. Aug 27 22:43:14 <elevator_music>        it helps with fighting types and drilbur and other krow a bit and misdreavus a bit
  1200. Aug 27 22:43:28 <elevator_music>        though we're set against fighting-types lol
  1201. Aug 27 22:43:48 <elevator_music>        yea in place of mag
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  1203. Aug 27 22:44:03 <elevator_music>        because i'd rather remove magnemite than tirtouga at this point :((
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  1205. Aug 27 22:44:49 <elevator_music>        ok so that would give us
  1206. Aug 27 22:45:10 <elevator_music>        dratini/tirtouga/shelmet/staryu/croagunk/misdreavus
  1207. Aug 27 22:45:24 <elevator_music>        err i mean murkrow
  1208. Aug 27 22:45:26 <elevator_music>        not misdreavus
  1209. Aug 27 22:45:59 -elevator_music/#littlecup-     does anyone have any opinions on this lol?
  1210. Aug 27 22:46:04 <KingTorterraXIV>       hmmm
  1211. Aug 27 22:46:09 <KingTorterraXIV>       i'm thinking D:
  1212. Aug 27 22:46:21 <KingTorterraXIV>       um
  1213. Aug 27 22:46:28 <KingTorterraXIV>       what croagunk set?
  1214. Aug 27 22:46:31 <HSA>   what set on krow?
  1215. Aug 27 22:46:36 <KingTorterraXIV>       subroost
  1216. Aug 27 22:46:45 <elevator_music>        fake out croagunk/sucker punch murkrow (and aqua jet tirouga??) should help against drilbur
  1217. Aug 27 22:46:50 <elevator_music>        even though i dont like aj tirtouga
  1218. Aug 27 22:46:54 <elevator_music>        umm some bulky set
  1219. Aug 27 22:46:59 <elevator_music>        whatever is in the analysis will probably be fine
  1220. Aug 27 22:47:06 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok
  1221. Aug 27 22:47:12 <EndQuote>      The analysis set has Vacuum wave too.
  1222. Aug 27 22:47:15 <elevator_music>        something with a lot of special defense is better though since its our primary misdreavus switch
  1223. Aug 27 22:47:16 <elevator_music>        oh
  1224. Aug 27 22:47:24 <KingTorterraXIV>       what would we replace aj for on tirtouga
  1225. Aug 27 22:47:32 <elevator_music>        what do we have atm?
  1226. Aug 27 22:47:36 <KingTorterraXIV>       we got sr/knockoff/scald/rockslide
  1227. Aug 27 22:47:43 <elevator_music>        ahh
  1228. Aug 27 22:47:44 <elevator_music>        umm
  1229. Aug 27 22:47:46 <EndQuote>      Why rock slide over stone edge?
  1230. Aug 27 22:47:48 <elevator_music>        i guess knock off :(
  1231. Aug 27 22:47:52 <EndQuote>      Just out of curiosity
  1232. Aug 27 22:47:56 <KingTorterraXIV>       cause blara hates se
  1233. Aug 27 22:48:03 <elevator_music>        idk, its probably more reliable on a defensive poke
  1234. Aug 27 22:48:14 <elevator_music>        our team doesnt need knock off does it?
  1235. Aug 27 22:48:15 <HSA>   isn't this team kind of Magnemite weak
  1236. Aug 27 22:48:21 <KingTorterraXIV>       idk
  1237. Aug 27 22:48:25 <HSA>   I mean your only switch is dratini
  1238. Aug 27 22:48:26 <KingTorterraXIV>       nah
  1239. Aug 27 22:48:27 <elevator_music>        oh
  1240. Aug 27 22:48:29 <elevator_music>        yea haha
  1241. Aug 27 22:48:38 <elevator_music>        dratini probably hates flash cannon
  1242. Aug 27 22:48:44 <elevator_music>        and murkrow gives magnemite a free switch
  1243. Aug 27 22:48:44 <HSA>   ^
  1244. Aug 27 22:48:50 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah uh
  1245. Aug 27 22:48:55 <KingTorterraXIV>       only 19 def
  1246. Aug 27 22:48:58 <KingTorterraXIV>       *sp def
  1247. Aug 27 22:49:04 <EndQuote>      Knock Off is the best move.
  1248. Aug 27 22:49:06 <EndQuote>      Evver.
  1249. Aug 27 22:49:35 <elevator_music>        hmm
  1250. Aug 27 22:49:40 <elevator_music>        i dont know what we can do against magnemite
  1251. Aug 27 22:49:45 <merp>  we
  1252. Aug 27 22:49:47 <elevator_music>        we're actually also snover weak i think
  1253. Aug 27 22:49:51 <merp>  knock off with croagunk
  1254. Aug 27 22:49:55 <merp>  croagunk and shelmet handle
  1255. Aug 27 22:50:11 <elevator_music>        wouldnt you rather just handle magnemite instead of knock off?
  1256. Aug 27 22:50:18 <elevator_music>        or do you mean to compensate for tirtouga not having it
  1257. Aug 27 22:50:21 <merp>  oh
  1258. Aug 27 22:50:26 <merp>  wait what tirtouga are we running?
  1259. Aug 27 22:50:37 <elevator_music>        i guess sr/aqua jet/scald/rock slide
  1260. Aug 27 22:50:49 <elevator_music>        only because we need aqua jet atm for drilbur
  1261. Aug 27 22:50:50 <elevator_music>        oh
  1262. Aug 27 22:50:52 <elevator_music>        wait
  1263. Aug 27 22:51:00 <elevator_music>        since we're not running larvesta anymore
  1264. Aug 27 22:51:08 <elevator_music>        it could be an option to run a snover of our own
  1265. Aug 27 22:51:16 <KingTorterraXIV>       !
  1266. Aug 27 22:51:19 <elevator_music>        which helps with drilbur and also we wont need aqua jet
  1267. Aug 27 22:51:26 <KingTorterraXIV>       so
  1268. Aug 27 22:51:28 <elevator_music>        it doesnt really help with magnemite or other snover though
  1269. Aug 27 22:51:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       would it be in place of what
  1270. Aug 27 22:52:16 <elevator_music>        hmm
  1271. Aug 27 22:52:19 <elevator_music>        actually idk
  1272. Aug 27 22:52:24 <elevator_music>        so maybe its not a good idea hah
  1273. Aug 27 22:52:33 <merp>  okay i have a question
  1274. Aug 27 22:52:35 <elevator_music>        maybe we shouldnt run murkrow either :S
  1275. Aug 27 22:52:39 <merp>  where is the thing that can actualy hurt things
  1276. Aug 27 22:52:41 <merp>  on this team
  1277. Aug 27 22:52:45 <elevator_music>        subroost krow lol
  1278. Aug 27 22:52:47 <merp>  oh
  1279. Aug 27 22:52:49 <merp>  we have krow
  1280. Aug 27 22:52:52 <merp>  when did that happen
  1281. Aug 27 22:53:15 <elevator_music>        i threw it in when we were at dratini/tirtouga/shelmet/staryu/croagunk
  1282. Aug 27 22:53:26 <elevator_music>        because it helped a little with drilbur/misdreavus/other krows
  1283. Aug 27 22:53:35 <elevator_music>        i mean none of those super well
  1284. Aug 27 22:53:41 <elevator_music>        but all of those a little, you know
  1285. Aug 27 22:53:53 <elevator_music>        also yea it gave us offense hehe
  1286. Aug 27 22:56:13 <elevator_music>        ok well that batch of 6
  1287. Aug 27 22:56:17 <elevator_music>        - has problems with magnemite
  1288. Aug 27 22:56:21 <elevator_music>        - has problems with snover
  1289. Aug 27 22:56:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       so our team is dratini/murkrow/shelmet/tirtouga/staryu/croagunk if im not mistaken
  1290. Aug 27 22:56:36 <elevator_music>        thats it though?
  1291. Aug 27 22:56:46 <KingTorterraXIV>       looks about it
  1292. Aug 27 22:56:57 <KingTorterraXIV>       unless scraggy at +1 has sen headbutt
  1293. Aug 27 22:57:11 <merp>  even then
  1294. Aug 27 22:57:11 <KingTorterraXIV>       idk how well shelmet handles scraggy
  1295. Aug 27 22:57:14 <merp>  we can work around it
  1296. Aug 27 22:57:15 <merp>  shelmet
  1297. Aug 27 22:57:17 <merp>  like hardcounters
  1298. Aug 27 22:57:18 <merp>  lol
  1299. Aug 27 22:57:29 <KingTorterraXIV>       give me the shelmet set plx
  1300. Aug 27 22:57:34 <merp>  uhh
  1301. Aug 27 22:57:40 <merp>  acid armor recover hp flying spikes/yawn
  1302. Aug 27 22:57:46 <elevator_music>        uggh this is annoying
  1303. Aug 27 22:57:49 <KingTorterraXIV>       lolk
  1304. Aug 27 22:57:54 <elevator_music>        we could run our magnemite over tirtouga
  1305. Aug 27 22:57:57 <elevator_music>        at the cost of SR
  1306. Aug 27 22:57:59 <v>     oye
  1307. Aug 27 22:58:01 <v>     fuck emma
  1308. Aug 27 22:58:03 <iss|afk>       btw
  1309. Aug 27 22:58:04 <elevator_music>        but it helps so much with both magnemite and snover
  1310. Aug 27 22:58:08 <merp>  i bet vs advice is
  1311. Aug 27 22:58:11 <merp>  "use munchlax"
  1312. Aug 27 22:58:13 <iss|afk>       actually nvm
  1313. Aug 27 22:58:17 <iss|afk>       hi v
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  1315. Aug 27 22:58:23 <KingTorterraXIV>       hi v
  1316. Aug 27 22:58:58 <v>     hi
  1317. Aug 27 22:59:01 <v>     real talk
  1318. Aug 27 22:59:09 <v>     prem and blarajan are evil
  1319. Aug 27 22:59:30 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  1320. Aug 27 22:59:33 <v>     indians
  1321. Aug 27 22:59:35 <v>     cant trust em
  1322. Aug 27 22:59:39 <merp>  fucking dick
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  1324. Aug 27 22:59:44 <elevator_music>        what do you guys think about running magnemite over tirtouga
  1325. Aug 27 22:59:49 <merp>  i agree
  1326. Aug 27 22:59:51 <merp>  in every sense
  1327. Aug 27 22:59:56 <elevator_music>        we then lack SR and are a little worse off against drilbur
  1328. Aug 27 23:00:08 <iss|afk>       aren't we ridiculously drilbur weak already anyways lol
  1329. Aug 27 23:00:16 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  1330. Aug 27 23:00:18 <iss|afk>       +2 sweeps if it has protect
  1331. Aug 27 23:00:19 <merp>  bulky tirtouga aj
  1332. Aug 27 23:00:20 <merp>  wont help for shit
  1333. Aug 27 23:00:21 <merp>  lol
  1334. Aug 27 23:00:22 <iss|afk>       and rock slide
  1335. Aug 27 23:00:28 <iss|afk>       like traditional drilbur
  1336. Aug 27 23:00:41 <elevator_music>        i guess SR is whatever since we have spikes
  1337. Aug 27 23:00:57 <KingTorterraXIV>       i guess
  1338. Aug 27 23:00:59 <elevator_music>        idk i figured between subroost krow and croagunk and tirtouga it would be "alright"
  1339. Aug 27 23:01:06 <iss|afk>       run air balloon magnemite
  1340. Aug 27 23:01:09 <iss|afk>       drilbur counter bam
  1341. Aug 27 23:01:11 <elevator_music>        because there wasnt much we could do about it otherwise
  1342. Aug 27 23:01:11 <iss|afk>       (jk)
  1343. Aug 27 23:01:13 <elevator_music>        lol
  1344. Aug 27 23:01:16 <elevator_music>        youre garbage
  1345. Aug 27 23:01:18 <elevator_music>        but
  1346. Aug 27 23:01:19 <elevator_music>        hmm
  1347. Aug 27 23:01:24 <iss|afk>       air balloon mag sucks
  1348. Aug 27 23:01:25 <iss|afk>       don't use it
  1349. Aug 27 23:01:33 <iss|afk>       anyways afk
  1350. Aug 27 23:01:33 <elevator_music>        dratini/magnemite/shelmet/staryu/croagunk/murkrow
  1351. Aug 27 23:01:35 <iss|afk>       for real
  1352. Aug 27 23:01:54 <merp>  so
  1353. Aug 27 23:02:04 <merp>  who agrees with getting rid of dratini to check things that are an issue
  1354. Aug 27 23:02:05 <KingTorterraXIV>       i think we're mixkrow weak again
  1355. Aug 27 23:02:05 <merp>  !
  1356. Aug 27 23:02:09 <elevator_music>        we're back to the point where im considering dropping murkrow hahahahaha
  1357. Aug 27 23:02:17 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  1358. Aug 27 23:02:22 <KingTorterraXIV>       we are stuck in a loop
  1359. Aug 27 23:02:22 <elevator_music>        we cant get rid of dratini 9.9
  1360. Aug 27 23:02:27 <KingTorterraXIV>       ^
  1361. Aug 27 23:02:29 <merp>  i think we can
  1362. Aug 27 23:02:35 <merp>  i always take out the mon i base a team around
  1363. Aug 27 23:02:43 <merp>  cause normally thats a weird mon that is the weakest link
  1364. Aug 27 23:02:43 <merp>  !
  1365. Aug 27 23:02:47 <elevator_music>        we need: something for drilbur
  1366. Aug 27 23:02:54 <KingTorterraXIV>       lileep
  1367. Aug 27 23:02:57 <KingTorterraXIV>       !
  1368. Aug 27 23:03:22 <elevator_music>        we could try scarf porygon??
  1369. Aug 27 23:03:23 <elevator_music>        idk
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  1371. Aug 27 23:03:37 <KingTorterraXIV>       how does that help against drilbur
  1372. Aug 27 23:03:41 <elevator_music>        lileep also works but feels weird :( (but also would do nice lol)
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  1374. Aug 27 23:03:47 <Hawkstar>      trace sand rush
  1375. Aug 27 23:03:52 <KingTorterraXIV>       oh
  1376. Aug 27 23:03:55 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  1377. Aug 27 23:04:01 <KingTorterraXIV>       how much does ice beam do
  1378. Aug 27 23:05:15 <Hawkstar>      uhh
  1379. Aug 27 23:05:17 <Hawkstar>      a bunch
  1380. Aug 27 23:05:59 <elevator_music>        lol ok this is annoying
  1381. Aug 27 23:06:10 <elevator_music>        dropping shelmet for lileep also seems like an option
  1382. Aug 27 23:06:15 <KingTorterraXIV>       yes
  1383. Aug 27 23:06:22 <Hawkstar>      how does that help vs drilbur
  1384. Aug 27 23:06:24 <elevator_music>        between croagunk and murkrow we should be fine against fighting-types
  1385. Aug 27 23:06:33 <KingTorterraXIV>       well
  1386. Aug 27 23:06:34 <elevator_music>        lileep can take a +2 eq with max def
  1387. Aug 27 23:06:37 <merp>  drilbur checked by archen :D
  1388. Aug 27 23:06:45 <elevator_music>        bs lol
  1389. Aug 27 23:06:47 <Hawkstar>      even LO?
  1390. Aug 27 23:06:55 <elevator_music>        lo isnt as much of a problem
  1391. Aug 27 23:07:05 <elevator_music>        since they dont run protect so croagunk and murkrow can take it on
  1392. Aug 27 23:07:05 <Hawkstar>      true
  1393. Aug 27 23:07:39 <elevator_music>        ok at this point what beats:
  1394. Aug 27 23:07:49 <elevator_music>        dratini/magnemite/lileep/staryu/croagunk/murkrow
  1395. Aug 27 23:07:59 <elevator_music>        lol we also dont NEED to run staryu anymore (its cool for dratini though)
  1396. Aug 27 23:08:12 <elevator_music>        but if we still need to check something we could just rmove it
  1397. Aug 27 23:08:19 <elevator_music>        remove*
  1398. Aug 27 23:08:57 <elevator_music>        oh
  1399. Aug 27 23:08:58 <elevator_music>        BLAH
  1400. Aug 27 23:08:59 <elevator_music>        scraggy
  1401. Aug 27 23:09:05 <elevator_music>        thats why we had shelmet ahaha
  1402. Aug 27 23:09:09 <elevator_music>        i forgot
  1403. Aug 27 23:09:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah :/
  1404. Aug 27 23:09:27 <KingTorterraXIV>       put it over staryu
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  1406. Aug 27 23:09:45 <elevator_music>        shouldnt run shelmet without a spinner though, it sucks at taking on scraggy that way :s
  1407. Aug 27 23:10:00 <KingTorterraXIV>       hmm
  1408. Aug 27 23:10:00 <elevator_music>        mienfoo has weird synergy with this team, but it cant hurt to throw in
  1409. Aug 27 23:10:11 <KingTorterraXIV>       use scarf mienfoo : D
  1410. Aug 27 23:10:14 <elevator_music>        i also dont really like it as a pokemon but we could show smogon pride and go with koffing
  1411. Aug 27 23:10:26 <KingTorterraXIV>       we could
  1412. Aug 27 23:10:39 <KingTorterraXIV>       how much does a +1 zen headbutt do to "bad gas"
  1413. Aug 27 23:10:40 <merp>  lol
  1414. Aug 27 23:10:57 <elevator_music>        idk how well it handles zen headbutt scraggy but DOGARS does good against drilbur
  1415. Aug 27 23:11:16 <KingTorterraXIV>       unless you know
  1416. Aug 27 23:11:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       mold breaker drilbur
  1417. Aug 27 23:11:33 <KingTorterraXIV>       but then like
  1418. Aug 27 23:11:35 <elevator_music>        mold breaker drilbur isnt the problem though lol
  1419. Aug 27 23:11:37 <KingTorterraXIV>       staryu handles it
  1420. Aug 27 23:11:44 <KingTorterraXIV>       so whats the team
  1421. Aug 27 23:11:56 <elevator_music>        we'd be dropping staryu for mienfoo or koffing lol
  1422. Aug 27 23:12:04 <elevator_music>        [23:07:50] <&elevator_music> dratini/magnemite/lileep/staryu/croagunk/murkrow
  1423. Aug 27 23:12:12 <elevator_music>        considering options over staryu that help with scraggy
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  1425. Aug 27 23:12:36 <elevator_music>        scraggy is such a pain in the dick
  1426. Aug 27 23:12:51 <KingTorterraXIV>       thats why i always use scarfkrow
  1427. Aug 27 23:13:03 <elevator_music>        if we werent running lileep it actually wouldnt be a problem since otherwise it cant set up on anything else
  1428. Aug 27 23:13:23 <KingTorterraXIV>       unless it wants to take alot of damage
  1429. Aug 27 23:14:35 <KingTorterraXIV>       lets change murkrow's set
  1430. Aug 27 23:14:49 <KingTorterraXIV>       scarfkrow takes care of scraggy problems
  1431. Aug 27 23:15:33 <elevator_music>        ok
  1432. Aug 27 23:15:53 <elevator_music>        we'll have to be a little more careful around protect drilbur but i think other than that we're pretty set against everything else
  1433. Aug 27 23:15:57 <elevator_music>        prem what do you think
  1434. Aug 27 23:16:03 <merp>  what is it
  1435. Aug 27 23:16:11 -elevator_music/#littlecup-     anyone
  1436. Aug 27 23:16:15 <merp>  the tema
  1437. Aug 27 23:16:16 <merp>  lol
  1438. Aug 27 23:16:19 <merp>  and the change
  1439. Aug 27 23:16:28 <elevator_music>        same as before but scarfkrow over subroost
  1440. Aug 27 23:16:36 <merp>  probably
  1441. Aug 27 23:16:36 <merp>  better
  1442. Aug 27 23:16:38 <elevator_music>        dratini/magnemite/lileep/staryu/croagunk/murkrow
  1443. Aug 27 23:16:38 <merp>  for the team
  1444. Aug 27 23:16:42 <merp>  lol
  1445. Aug 27 23:16:47 <merp>  i approev
  1446. Aug 27 23:16:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       yes
  1447. Aug 27 23:16:53 <elevator_music>        OK
  1448. Aug 27 23:16:59 <elevator_music>        are we weak to anything now...
  1449. Aug 27 23:17:01 <KingTorterraXIV>       someone finally approves of scarfkrow
  1450. Aug 27 23:17:03 <elevator_music>        scraggy, not really
  1451. Aug 27 23:17:12 <KingTorterraXIV>       after ive been saying it for like
  1452. Aug 27 23:17:16 <KingTorterraXIV>       the past hour
  1453. Aug 27 23:17:17 <elevator_music>        drilbur, sort of but we're 'good enough'
  1454. Aug 27 23:17:21 <KingTorterraXIV>       *2 hours
  1455. Aug 27 23:17:30 <elevator_music>        well it was inferior for the team until now c.c
  1456. Aug 27 23:17:34 <KingTorterraXIV>       wait i need to enter all the sets
  1457. Aug 27 23:17:39 <KingTorterraXIV>       @.@
  1458. Aug 27 23:17:48 <elevator_music>        murkrow, we're fine against
  1459. Aug 27 23:17:54 <elevator_music>        mienfoo, set
  1460. Aug 27 23:17:57 <elevator_music>        misdreavus, set
  1461. Aug 27 23:18:03 <elevator_music>        chinchou, set
  1462. Aug 27 23:18:09 <elevator_music>        magnemite, set
  1463. Aug 27 23:18:22 <elevator_music>        snover...
  1464. Aug 27 23:18:25 <elevator_music>        we should be fine
  1465. Aug 27 23:18:36 <KingTorterraXIV>       weah
  1466. Aug 27 23:18:37 <elevator_music>        other croagunk will kind of suck lol
  1467. Aug 27 23:18:38 <KingTorterraXIV>       *yeah
  1468. Aug 27 23:18:43 <elevator_music>        dratini can set up on those though right?
  1469. Aug 27 23:18:47 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  1470. Aug 27 23:18:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       expecially chinchou
  1471. Aug 27 23:19:03 <KingTorterraXIV>       croagunk yes
  1472. Aug 27 23:19:09 <KingTorterraXIV>       mienfoo, maybe
  1473. Aug 27 23:19:14 *       Tobes is now known as Tobes|bbl
  1474. Aug 27 23:19:28 <elevator_music>        bulky grass types (except snover and ferroseed) are screwed against dratini and krow
  1475. Aug 27 23:19:41 <elevator_music>        well even ferroseed doesnt like krow and we have croagunk anyways
  1476. Aug 27 23:20:07 <elevator_music>        ummm
  1477. Aug 27 23:20:19 <elevator_music>        shell smashers will lose to murkrow, right?
  1478. Aug 27 23:20:22 <elevator_music>        and lileep probably
  1479. Aug 27 23:20:30 <elevator_music>        well not shellder
  1480. Aug 27 23:20:38 <elevator_music>        oh we also have fake out croagunk
  1481. Aug 27 23:20:41 *       Audiosurfer (Mibbit@811C721B.5A7286DA.540BC7C2.IP) has joined #littlecup
  1482. Aug 27 23:20:46 <elevator_music>        yea, so those arent an issue either
  1483. Aug 27 23:20:56 <elevator_music>        i think we're good enough against everything?
  1484. Aug 27 23:21:21 <KingTorterraXIV>       looks that way
  1485. Aug 27 23:21:34 -elevator_music/#littlecup-     is everyone ok with dratini/bulky magnemite/lileep/staryu/croagunk/scarf murkrow?
  1486. Aug 27 23:21:38 <merp>  YES I AM
  1487. Aug 27 23:21:46 <elevator_music>        ok cool, we're done then
  1488. Aug 27 23:21:56 <merp>  obviously my opinion matters the mostt
  1489. Aug 27 23:22:20 <elevator_music>        i guess staryu will probably be the poke most likely to go if we need a replacement, BUT i like this lineup most for now
  1490. Aug 27 23:24:20 <KingTorterraXIV>       yeah
  1491. Aug 27 23:24:25 <KingTorterraXIV>       looks pretty sexy
  1492. Aug 27 23:24:30 <KingTorterraXIV>       but i need to go eat
  1493. Aug 27 23:24:36 *       elevator_music has changed the topic to: LC Tiering Megathread: http://bit.ly/NbEX6J | when #pokemon isn't busy try to discuss lc there | #littlecup teambuilding sessions: http://bit.ly/ONiURW | toady's teambuilding session is over, the log/synopsis/team will be posted shortly
  1494. Aug 27 23:24:45 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok
  1495. Aug 27 23:24:50 <KingTorterraXIV>       going to  eat
  1496. Aug 27 23:24:53 <KingTorterraXIV>       ill be back
  1497. Aug 27 23:29:19 *       drakon|gone is now known as drakon|hereish
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  1504. Aug 27 23:35:38 <KingTorterraXIV>       ok baxk
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  1507. Aug 27 23:38:32 <elevator_music>        http://pastebin.com/EyuEtLww
  1508. Aug 27 23:38:34 <elevator_music>        is this good?
  1509. Aug 27 23:40:32 <KingTorterraXIV>       looks goo
  1510. Aug 27 23:40:33 <KingTorterraXIV>       d
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  1512. Aug 27 23:40:48 <KingTorterraXIV>       ive never seen that spread for staryu before
  1513. Aug 27 23:41:02 <jrrrr> i love that dratini set
  1514. Aug 27 23:41:13 <jrrrr> i never talk here but i had to say that
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  1516. Aug 27 23:42:05 <jrrrr> elevator_music you should rename that Team Gets Destroyed By Snover
  1517. Aug 27 23:42:15 <merp>  gunk and shelmet handle it
  1518. Aug 27 23:42:15 <merp>  !
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  1521. Aug 27 23:42:24 <jrrrr> huh?
  1522. Aug 27 23:42:27 <merp>  kinda
  1523. Aug 27 23:42:28 <elevator_music>        we dont have shelmet lol
  1524. Aug 27 23:42:29 <merp>  h
  1525. Aug 27 23:42:30 <merp>  wtf
  1526. Aug 27 23:42:33 <elevator_music>        do you mean magnemite
  1527. Aug 27 23:42:35 <merp>  what did we do with it
  1528. Aug 27 23:42:36 <merp>  oh ya that
  1529. Aug 27 23:43:04 <elevator_music>        staryu is basically death fodder on this team anyways X:
  1530. Aug 27 23:43:05 <jrrrr> whoa magnet rise
  1531. Aug 27 23:43:09 <jrrrr> thats boss lol
  1532. Aug 27 23:43:19 <merp>  staryu is horrible
  1533. Aug 27 23:43:22 <merp>  unless its runnin glife orb
  1534. Aug 27 23:43:24 <merp>  in which case
  1535. Aug 27 23:43:27 <merp>  its fucking great
  1536. Aug 27 23:43:43 <elevator_music>        it has good synergy with dratini on this team and there is no replacement that does anything better though heh
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  1540. Aug 27 23:44:32 <merp>  CHINCHOU
  1541. Aug 27 23:44:35 <merp>  SOMETHING BETTER
  1542. Aug 27 23:44:38 <merp>  or
  1543. Aug 27 23:44:40 <merp>  just use life orb
  1544. Aug 27 23:44:42 <merp>  i dont see why not
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  1546. Aug 27 23:44:45 <merp>  if its death fodder anyway
  1547. Aug 27 23:44:47 <KingTorterraXIV>       lol
  1548. Aug 27 23:44:55 <merp>  we dont need it to take a hit
  1549. Aug 27 23:44:57 <merp>  we need it to die
  1550. Aug 27 23:45:18 <KingTorterraXIV>       we need it to bring in chinchou
  1551. Aug 27 23:45:19 <merp>  also lol
  1552. Aug 27 23:45:20 <merp>  this team
  1553. Aug 27 23:45:22 <merp>  is gonna get RAPED
  1554. Aug 27 23:45:24 <merp>  by houndour
  1555. Aug 27 23:45:31 <elevator_music>        bs
  1556. Aug 27 23:45:35 <elevator_music>        the only thing staryu does well
  1557. Aug 27 23:45:37 <elevator_music>        is counter dour
  1558. Aug 27 23:45:38 <elevator_music>        lol
  1559. Aug 27 23:45:40 <merp>  lol
  1560. Aug 27 23:45:42 <KingTorterraXIV>       and gunk helps
  1561. Aug 27 23:45:43 <merp>  how does it do it well?
  1562. Aug 27 23:45:49 <merp>  switch in on dark pulse
  1563. Aug 27 23:45:52 <elevator_music>        its not 2hkoed and has recover.....
  1564. Aug 27 23:45:57 <merp>  it is 2hkoed...
  1565. Aug 27 23:45:57 <KingTorterraXIV>       ^
  1566. Aug 27 23:46:12 <elevator_music>        they usually try to sucker punch
  1567. Aug 27 23:46:14 <merp>  lol
  1568. Aug 27 23:46:16 <merp>  those people suck
  1569. Aug 27 23:46:26 <elevator_music>        you can spam recover until they do OR just ko it
  1570. Aug 27 23:46:28 <elevator_music>        -.-
  1571. Aug 27 23:46:39 <merp>  nope
  1572. Aug 27 23:46:44 <elevator_music>        but its a really safe switchin as far as houndour goes
  1573. Aug 27 23:46:47 <elevator_music>        so fuk you lol
  1574. Aug 27 23:46:49 <merp>  i guess
  1575. Aug 27 23:46:51 <merp>  its the best switch in
  1576. Aug 27 23:46:55 <merp>  but still
  1577. Aug 27 23:46:58 <merp>  the houndour player can win
  1578. Aug 27 23:47:10 <merp>  and if he does
  1579. Aug 27 23:47:11 <elevator_music>        can but almost never does unless you suck
  1580. Aug 27 23:47:12 <elevator_music>        oh
  1581. Aug 27 23:47:17 <elevator_music>        i see the problem now LOL
  1582. Aug 27 23:47:17 <merp>  bro
  1583. Aug 27 23:47:23 <merp>  you act like
  1584. Aug 27 23:47:25 <merp>  i would use the staryu
  1585. Aug 27 23:47:29 <merp>  after im bashing it this much
  1586. Aug 27 23:47:29 <merp>  lol
  1587. Aug 27 23:47:38 <elevator_music>        haha
  1588. Aug 27 23:47:40 <elevator_music>        oh well
  1589. Aug 27 23:47:43 <merp>  the murkrow
  1590. Aug 27 23:47:51 <elevator_music>        ill let blarajan shit all over these decisions when he gets back on
  1591. Aug 27 23:47:51 <elevator_music>        but
  1592. Aug 27 23:47:53 <merp>  takes like 60% from sucker punch
  1593. Aug 27 23:47:56 <elevator_music>        im just gonna post the team now
  1594. Aug 27 23:48:00 <merp>  should we save the log
  1595. Aug 27 23:48:00 <merp>  lol
  1596. Aug 27 23:48:05 <elevator_music>        iss will hopefully send me the lod
  1597. Aug 27 23:48:09 <elevator_music>        log*
  1598. Aug 27 23:48:18 <merp>  and then with sr brave bird recoil
  1599. Aug 27 23:48:19 <merp>  its dead
  1600. Aug 27 23:48:21 <merp>  gunk
  1601. Aug 27 23:48:24 <merp>  will never come in ever
  1602. Aug 27 23:48:31 <merp>  until something is dead
  1603. Aug 27 23:48:36 <merp>  in which case houndour does its job
  1604. Aug 27 23:48:37 <elevator_music>        whatever dour can only come in like once anyways
  1605. Aug 27 23:48:47 <merp>  i bring him in
  1606. Aug 27 23:48:49 <merp>  multiple times
  1607. Aug 27 23:49:03 <elevator_music>        everything on our team threatens dour except magnemite
  1608. Aug 27 23:49:04 <elevator_music>        .-.
  1609. Aug 27 23:49:11 <elevator_music>        and I GUESS dratini
  1610. Aug 27 23:49:20 <elevator_music>        i wouldnt bring in dour on dratini though