#Orphic: ~workshop new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
#Orphic: okay guys so, me and jarii decided that we wanted to build with the core of specs mesprit and primeape to pivot into it
#Orphic: primeape obviously helps with dark types while appreciating the removal of poison types
#Orphic: firstly
 watchog: in
 piccolo289: i lost my nu teams bevause i deleted cookies
 piccolo289: ;-;
 thrillz: I came because I love Orphic
 thrillz: and QQ is ight
 piccolo289: what is this room
 piccolo289: and scarf ape best ape dipshits
#Orphic: Piccolo289 we're building a team together as a community, its a project I run
 thrillz: Oprhic
#Orphic: yeah dude
 lucianvega: no Piccolo289, scarf ape is really weak
 thrillz: To start things Off i'd like to suggest
 thrillz: muscle band primeape
#Orphic: !dt muscle band
 lucianvega: nah, youd rather have E/belt/LO
#Orphic: 1.0x amirite
 thrillz: Anything of the sort
 thrillz: to bluff
 thrillz: the choice
 thrillz: or even
 thrillz: Fist plate
 piccolo289: i think specs ape is best ape
 cyanize: fist plat is cool
 piccolo289: focus blast 6hko's steelix
 cyanize: but makes coverage and u-turn do 0 damage
#Orphic: what does everyone think
 tomojezakon: this is my first time seeing muscle band xD
 thrillz: Just some food for thought
#Orphic: fist plate bluff or band
 thrillz: You can bluff choice
 thrillz: and get some interesting kills
 easytounderstand: Poll again :^)
#Orphic: why don't we start with band and personal preference can dictate later?:)
@Jarii: I dunno is 2 choiced breaker really necassary
 thrillz: fine by me
 watchog: sure
 thrillz: also what Jarii said
 watchog: yea
 cyanize: so what do we have so far
 watchog: wat jarii said
#Orphic: what do you suggest then jarii
#Orphic: scarf?
#Orphic: or fist plate
 watchog: i havent
 watchog: tried fist plate ape b4
 piccolo289: can i suggest automize klink?
@Jarii: Well you can go scarf for faster mons like scyther and liepard or even archeops and floatzel that threaten sprit
 watchog: why automize
 watchog: lol
 thrillz: ^
 piccolo289: for the speed
#Orphic: it gets shift gear
 watchog: shift gear
#Orphic: ..
 watchog: lol
 thrillz: Scarf apes does have it's merits
 piccolo289: oh forgot about that
#Orphic: i like adamant scarfape
@Jarii: Or fist plate encore so we not set up bait and can freely switch in with u-turn
#Orphic: its v underrated
 piccolo289: scarf ape outspeeds jynx right
#Orphic: fist plate encore is nice
 watchog: yes
#Orphic: sets up mesprit v well
 watchog: scarf ape outspeeds every non-scarfed thing in the tier
 piccolo289: so thats an advantage
 cyanize: i still think scarf ape is really meh outside of surprise facter
 watchog: uh
 watchog: sure
 watchog: hi carcy
%carcy: Nice
 cyanize: it's just so weak :/
%carcy: Hey watchog
 thrillz: I like scarf ape
#Orphic: alright guys i think encore fist plate is a good idea, thoughts?
 watchog: sure
 thrillz: I dig it
 piccolo289: wtf doesnt klink have any physical moves
#Orphic: or scarfape, guess we're undecided
 watchog: yes it does
 watchog: it has
 thrillz: Fist plate encore
 thrillz: has lot of interesting factors
 watchog: gear grind, wild charge, return..
%carcy: Whats th.e team
#Orphic: ~workshop add specsprit
@BB-8-NU: specsprit added
 watchog: specs mesprit/scarf primeape
 watchog: er
 watchog: not scarf
 watchog: fist plate encore primeape
#Orphic: i think we're going fist plate encore
#Orphic: yeah
+blast: if you're building around ape i think scarf is a waste
@Jarii: I like that
 watchog: we arent
 watchog: using scarf
@Jarii: Blast we not making a blast team again
 verypinkpancakes: I feel as though fist plate encore is easier to build around anyway, and we can always change it to scarf if we actually need it.
+blast: we'll see.
#Orphic: ~workshop add fistplateencore primeape
@BB-8-NU: fistplateencore primeape added
#Orphic: :]
 watchog: :]
 piccolo289: thick fat AV hari?
 piccolo289: i like it
 easytounderstand: What do we have right now?
%carcy: Specsprit fist plate ape
#Orphic: yeah
 watchog: well
#Orphic: i think a volt switcher would be nice here for that pivot core
 watchog: scyther beats this core obviously
 easytounderstand: Specsprit has u-turn right?
 watchog: but we can add one of those checks lter
#Orphic: nope
 thrillz: specprit
#Orphic: it'll have psychic, signal beam, ice beam
 thrillz: can run it
 thrillz: but it's a waste
 watchog: healing wish/hp ground/uturn
#Orphic: and probably healing wish or eball or something
 watchog: is usually last slot
#Orphic: but it doesn't need eball
 piccolo289: MILTANK
 piccolo289: please
#Orphic: hwish is best in my experience
 watchog: ya hwish is cool
 thrillz: ^
#Orphic: miltank offers nothing here
 cyanize: if we added bulky rotom we could have a vswitcher and scyther check in one slot
#Orphic: a rotom beats scyther
#Orphic: sniped
 watchog: i got bopped by
 easytounderstand: Sounds fire
 watchog: koff scyther
%carcy: This core loses to both scyther and rotom
 watchog: 2 days ago
 thrillz: Colbur rotom
#Orphic: bulky rotom or scarf rotom
 watchog: cute
 watchog: bulky
 cyanize: bulky
 thrillz: Bulky for sure
 watchog: uh
#Orphic: only thought is that scarf beats other rotom
 watchog: quick question for u builders
 watchog: what do u consider fast
 watchog: like
 incon: skuntank to trap rotom
 watchog: what benchmark number do u wanna hit for ur team to be fast enough
 thrillz: I like lumskun
 thrillz: with crunch
@Jarii: i call 350 fast
 thrillz: for rotom
 watchog: o ok
 piccolo289: why are pyroar's abilities so garbage
#Orphic: or just lanturn
#Orphic: for rotom in all honesty
 thrillz: I feel lanturn gets worn way too easy
%carcy: Just put rupt tbh
 watchog: rupt
 watchog: is so cute
#Orphic: huh
#Orphic: rupt kinda works
#Orphic: if we put rotom too
 easytounderstand: Audino is a decent defensive pivot with regen
#Orphic: not regular audino, pls
 watchog: no
 thrillz: I like rotom and camerupt
 easytounderstand: lack of offensive pressure might be a slight setback ;_;
 watchog: we do have
#Orphic: we have offensive pressure
 watchog: offensive pressure
#Orphic: we have a specsprit
 watchog: dude
 easytounderstand: I mean Audino doesn't have any
%carcy: Then we could rly use a water resist and something decently fast
@Jarii: if we do that gastro isn't like a bad pick next
 watchog: if u encore it into a bad move
 watchog: then u have like
 watchog: a tidal wave
#Orphic: we need something for mega audino too
 watchog: of pressure
#Orphic: floatzel?
#Orphic: although i wouldnt count it as a good water resist
@Jarii: [21:55] @Jarii: if we do that gastro isn't like a bad pick next
 watchog: kek
#Orphic: oo tru
#Orphic: can we have
#Orphic: gastro + garb
#Orphic: and go scarf rotom
#Orphic: that way we beat toxic spikes
#Orphic: have a solid fighting switching
#Orphic: a solid water switchin
%carcy: Go defensive gastro then
@Jarii: no win con
 watchog: ^^
%carcy: Y
#Orphic: ah damn
#Orphic: rock polish garb
#Orphic: :I
 easytounderstand: change specs to calm mind mesprit ;)
+blast: trick cm
 watchog: no
#Orphic: well
#Orphic: the whole point was that
+blast: + bulk up primeape
#Orphic: specsprit is such a powerhouse
+blast: yw
#Orphic: i mean
 easytounderstand: Give gastro curse?
#Orphic: vileplume can work here
#Orphic: then wincon/fastmon final slot
 vpp away: wait, what's the team so far, I've been away :v
 vpp away: I see a few thing
%carcy: Poliwrath?
%carcy: And then sth fast
 easytounderstand: Mesrpit/rotom/primeape/gastro
 vpp away: ty
#Orphic: wrath or plume both work
 watchog: do e
 watchog: do we
#Orphic: plume is a better fighting check
 watchog: have rocks
 easytounderstand: also no hazzards yet
#Orphic: yes on rupt
 watchog: o right
 easytounderstand: oh forgot rupt
 vpp away: oh camerupt
 watchog: whats theteam?
#Orphic: they're both nice water resists
#Orphic: but poli beats sd samu better
%carcy: Use frillish imo
#Orphic: carcy what do you think between the two
 vpp away: wait is camerupt over gastro
 vpp away: or are there both
#Orphic: no cos our knock off switchins are limited
 easytounderstand: is it Mesprit/Rotom/Primeape/Gastro/Camerupt?
 watchog: Orphic whats our team
#Orphic: so we need wrath or plume
#Orphic: mesprit, primeape, rotom, rupt
 watchog: ok
 easytounderstand: Ah ok
 watchog: i think
 vpp away: We also are volt-turn that isn't necessarily annoyed specifically by rocks
#Orphic: we're considering a water resist for the 5th slot
 watchog: poli is better in this scenario
 vpp away: but we're volt-turn so a hazard remover would probably be appreciated
#Orphic: my only qualm with poli
#Orphic: is our weakness to tspikes
%carcy: Y
%carcy: How about toselia
%carcy: Roselia
#Orphic: well
%carcy: Nah, knock off
#Orphic: plume surely fits better?
%carcy: y
#Orphic: as i've been suggesting
#Orphic: this whole time
 easytounderstand: what about skuntank?
#Orphic: skunk doesn't give us a water resist
 easytounderstand: Welp
#Orphic: the whole point of this 5th slot is water resist, fighting check, toxic spikes check
 vpp away: We have 2 slots, am I wrong?
#Orphic: so plume is perfect
#Orphic: yeah vpp away
 watchog: im gonna
 watchog: get a snack
 watchog: brb
#Orphic: snack time yum
 vpp away: I mean, just looking at it, I like plume
 easytounderstand: Defog Mantine?
 vpp away: I'm still pretty inexperienced in this tier but I can definitely see how plume would fit
 easytounderstand: doesn't check most fighting types that well though
#Orphic: defog mantine could actually work, but i still like vileplume to check fighting types and have that recovery
 watchog: i have
 watchog: no snacks
 watchog: ;_;
 cyanize: what about
 vpp away: Watchog if you want, I'll give you some hypothetical internet pancake
 cyanize: pelipper
 vpp away: :d
 watchog: give
 watchog: oh i have
 watchog: a jar of peanut butter
 VeryPinkPancakes: :V
 watchog: are we
 vpp away: back to alt
#Orphic: carcy, pelipper?
#Orphic: :o
 watchog: still debating about water resists
#Orphic: as suggested by cyan × ize
 easytounderstand: Oh pelipper sounds neat but not water absorb
 easytounderstand: *no
%carcy: Ye, but put some spded on it
 cyanize: yeah
 vpp away: spdef pelipper
#Orphic: doesn't need water absorb if our final mon is like, scarf lilligant
 cyanize: a bit of spdef so rott doesn't overpower it too much
+blast: you could try something like rhydon + poliwrath + garbodor in slots 3-5
#Orphic: that still makes us hella slow
@Jarii: Blast tries to sneak in and make it a blast team
%carcy: Actually
 watchog: ^^
#Orphic: does anyone like
 vpp away: 252+ SpA Life Orb Samurott Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 80 SpD Pelipper: 148-175 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
#Orphic: scarf lilligant final slot
 vpp away: ?
 watchog: no
 watchog: scarf lilli
+blast: well you need a normal resist
 watchog: seems bad
 easytounderstand: How do we beat Taurus
 easytounderstand: *Tauros
 cyanize: bulky rotom
 vpp away: especially if we're running a decent amount of special defense on pelipper
#Orphic: yeah, normal resist hm
 easytounderstand: Oh right
%carcy: Rhydon/wrath/garb/mesprit/ape
%carcy: Actually sounds nice
 cyanize: kanga
 cyanize: is actually terrig=fying
 cyanize: kanga is literally just (x)
#Orphic: there's no volt turn core there, we can add one final slot
 watchog: we're still rly slow
#Orphic: yeah so fast volt switcher
#Orphic: like scarf rotom
@Jarii: srry i was going to the toilet what did i miss
#Orphic: that would make the team
 vpp away: oh
 easytounderstand: We arleady have rotom
#Orphic: mesprit, ape, garb, rhydon, poliwrath, rotom
 watchog: Jarii normal resist i think
 easytounderstand: oh
 vpp away: wait did we just switch like
 vpp away: half the mons
#Orphic: yeah
 easytounderstand: yup
#Orphic: [21:05] %carcy: Rhydon/wrath/garb/mesprit/ape
#Orphic: [21:06] %carcy: Actually sounds nice
#Orphic: ^^
 watchog: thats how
 vpp away: oh
 watchog: u gotta teambuild
 cyanize: hazard control where
 easytounderstand: We went full blast
 watchog: sometimes
 watchog: large adjustments are necessary sometimes
 watchog: :o
 vpp away: i totally missed that ngl
 vpp away: Watchog n_n you know I know that
#Orphic: carcy thoughts on rotom final slot
 watchog: kek
#Orphic: or do we really need hazard control
%carcy: On what team
#Orphic: cos i kinda want vswitch
#Orphic: on the one you suggested
%carcy: I was thinking about np pard
+blast: i doubt you need hazard removal
 vpp away: I mean
%carcy: Cause psychic resist
+blast: you have a tspikes absorber
 vpp away: we could run Xatu
 vpp away: which is hazards + uturn
+blast: and none of the mons
#Orphic: we want a fastmon
%carcy: And np pard + spikes is broken imo
+blast: hate hazards /that/ much
 vpp away: hm.
#Orphic: np pard could be so good here
#Orphic: i have been wanting to build w/it
#Orphic: it can really utilise this primeape too!
%carcy: Although id maybe go with scarf ape then
%carcy: Just an option
#Orphic: ...
%carcy: :]
@Jarii: why scarf
#Orphic: i mean, yeah, that can work
@Jarii: the encore works fine with that
#Orphic: but i don't think we overly need the speed
#Orphic: if we have encore into prankster cleaner
%carcy: Thats true
 watchog: thats
#Orphic: and the relevant resists to the fast mons
 watchog: p cool
#Orphic: rhydon for tauros, swellow, archeops
%carcy: Was thinking cause tauros/float/archeops
#Orphic: wrath for floatzel
#Orphic: yeah but we have the counters to those
%carcy: Checks
@Jarii: okay whats the team right now
#Orphic: wrath is a counter
#Orphic: mesprit, ape, garb, rhydon, wrath
#Orphic: thinking of np liepard final slot
#Orphic: to utilise the encore primeape
+blast: this team has been blastified
 watchog: hp grass archeops ;_;
 easytounderstand: Archeops actually has a fielday on the current team
#Orphic: pyroar is actually a problem, if we don't go scarfape
%carcy: I mean, thats the change id make if i found myself weak to fastmons
 watchog: ya blast LOL
@Jarii: gotta hate Blast
#Orphic: well what do we think of that team, and what item for ape in this situation
%carcy: We put scarf malamar in the last slot for maximum blastification y/n
+blast: lol
 vpp away: /
#Orphic: no thanks
#Orphic: ~
@Jarii: Orphic what is the full team
 vpp away: mesprit, ape, garb, rhydon, poliwrath, pard
#Orphic: specsprit, primeape, garbodor, rhydon, poliwrath, np pard
#Orphic: ~workshop add garbodor
@BB-8-NU: garbodor added
#Orphic: ~workshop add rhydon
@BB-8-NU: rhydon added
+blast: also ngl as much as i meme about malamar i've only used it on like 2 teams in my life
#Orphic: ~workshop add poliwrath
@BB-8-NU: poliwrath added
 vpp away: So if we're having trouble with Archeops and Pyroar
#Orphic: ~workshop add np liepard
@BB-8-NU: np liepard added
#Orphic: we aren't struggling with archeops
+blast: ~workshop team
@Jarii: super weak to DD don
@BB-8-NU: specsprit / fistplateencore primeape / garbodor / rhydon / poliwrath / np liepard
 vpp away: we could run like regirock over Rhydon
 vpp away: but I feel like we miss something there
#Orphic: rhydon deals with archeops the same
 vpp away: true
@Jarii: but ngl Blasts teams are most of the time weak to DD don
#Orphic: and Jarii, we have poliwrath
#Orphic: plus mesprit takes a hit and destroys it
#Orphic: and encore ape
#Orphic: js
%carcy: Whos gonna test?
#Orphic: woah
#Orphic: we havent done
#Orphic: any of the sets
#Orphic: unless you have
#Orphic: drop a pb here
%carcy: Real men dont need sets
%carcy: !
#Orphic: we get dropped on our neck by abomasnow
#Orphic: although we can pressure it offensively
 watchog: aboma is
 watchog: easy to play around
#Orphic: broken?
#Orphic: yeah
 watchog: u can
 watchog: force it out
 watchog: easily
 vpp away: I mean we have like 4 revenge killers iirc
 watchog: rmbr our g1 in nul orphic lol
#Orphic: [21:16] #Orphic: although we can pressure it offensively
#Orphic: what i said^^
%carcy: Aboma cant switch in for shit
#Orphic: ye
 watchog: i couldnt
+blast: yea it only outspeeds like
 watchog: predict ur aboma
 watchog: -_-
+blast: 1 thing
#Orphic: okay so
#Orphic: carcy do you have a pastebin
%carcy: Nope yet
 watchog: blast would problem suggest av torkoal now
 vpp away: -
#Orphic: i suggest eq >edge on ape
 watchog: probably*
+blast: -
#Orphic: for skunk
 watchog: is this
#Orphic: we have checks to scyther
 watchog: autocorrect
 watchog: or can i actually not type
@Jarii: are we offensive garb?
#Orphic: n idts
#Orphic: we need a fighting switch in there
 vpp away: likely defensive
+blast: if you really think aboma's a problem you can use rindo on poliwrath or smth
 vpp away: guys we have a set
 vpp away: do we win now
 watchog: -
@Jarii: Blast what was that speed spread for def garb again
%carcy: What wrath set
+blast: it was like
+blast: 168 hp / 124 def / 216 spe
 watchog: what is
+blast: but that was for sawk meta
 watchog: 216 for
#Orphic: 204 def
#Orphic: 56 spe
+blast: samurott
 watchog: o
#Orphic: just enough to outspeed aggron
 watchog: i hate
 watchog: speed nerds
#Orphic: oh
#Orphic: thats garb
#Orphic: ignore me
#Orphic: oh
#Orphic: yeah, garb sorry
 watchog: ^???
@Jarii: Orphic honestly what
 vpp away: mfw
 watchog: LOL
@Jarii: i was about to say
#Orphic: i saw carcy was talking about wrath and got confused
#Orphic: haha
#Orphic: assume we're tankdon
 vpp away: yes
#Orphic: do we want special wrath
#Orphic: or resttalk
 watchog: i was
#Orphic: phaser wrath
#Orphic: with hazards
 watchog: gonna suggest special
%carcy: Physdef sucks momentum
#Orphic: special it is then
 lucianvega: offensive wrath is great, you can put more HP for bulk
@Jarii: I at least want enough to outspeed aurorus
#Orphic: yep
 lucianvega: 96 hp
%carcy: Is that 176
%carcy: Or less
 lucianvega: 160 speed
 lucianvega: rest in spa
%carcy: Do we need seed bomb on garb?
#Orphic: idts
#Orphic: wrath checks barb
%carcy: Nah i meant for gastro
#Orphic: oo uh
%carcy: Cause its kinda a bitch
#Orphic: how much does hp grass wrath do !
 lucianvega: uh
 lucianvega: it does lie 60
 lucianvega: like*
 lucianvega: without life orb
#Orphic: its a 2hko
 lucianvega: yea
#Orphic: that's an option
#Orphic: > ice beam
 lucianvega: yes, run it over ice beam
 watchog: thanks for
 watchog: posting a core
 watchog: lucian
 lucianvega: np man
#Orphic: that can be a nice lure for garb then
 watchog: :]
#Orphic: gastro*
#Orphic: carcy, you okay?
#Orphic: just got np liepard to do
#Orphic: if you have a set
%carcy: Y, working on pastebing
#Orphic: ok :]
%carcy: Np dark pulse
#Orphic: mhm
%carcy: Encore copycat
#Orphic: item
%carcy: Max max
#Orphic: blackglasses?
%carcy: Blackglasses ya
#Orphic: okay i have the pb
%carcy: Post here?
#Orphic: http://hastebin.com/iyulirajar.md
@Jarii: k back
#Orphic: any mistakes lmk
%carcy: What does grb creep?
#Orphic: aggron
#Orphic: its the set you gave me
%carcy: I did?
#Orphic: yeah
#Orphic: may have been eternally, idk
#Orphic: it creeps aggron anyway
@Jarii: Don't like that garb spread tbh
#Orphic: feel free to give me another one
%carcy: Not enough blast
@Jarii: it makes our aurorus switch in
@Jarii: already is 0
@Jarii: and giving it a free turn
@Jarii: can be killing for this team
 easytounderstand: 128 speed instead? or are we speed creeping jolly aurorus
 easytounderstand: *timid
@Jarii: n timid is weak
#Orphic: oh you want 120 speed for aurorus?
@Jarii: y
#Orphic: alright
@Jarii: also seed bomb for gastro?
#Orphic: nah we have
#Orphic: hp grass on wrath
#Orphic: to lure that
@Jarii: over?
#Orphic: ice beam
@Jarii: k
#Orphic: http://hastebin.com/gemodoxacu.md
#Orphic: updated with new gastro spread^^
#Orphic: garb*
+blast: sd rhydon might be better than megahorn
#Orphic: do explain
+blast: you already have 2 bug moves
#Orphic: i guess we have enough bug
#Orphic: yeah
#Orphic: but sd>rp?
#Orphic: we can even run crunch for rotom ;]
 easytounderstand: We don't have speed ev's on rhydon
#Orphic: or roar
#Orphic: if i'm honest
@Jarii: D tail then
#Orphic: roar or dtail
+blast: liepard would appreciate another way to deal w/ mega audino
 easytounderstand: roar seems fine with hazzards
#Orphic: roar kinda does that Blast
+blast: roar could work too
#Orphic: or even just toxic
+blast: yeah
#Orphic: lets go roar though
#Orphic: if thats all fine
#Orphic: this is the final team
#Orphic: http://hastebin.com/wapimasohe.md
 piccolo289: nice
 watchog: manectric switchin>>>>>>>>>>x
#Orphic: Jarii, test it
 piccolo289: now orphic can i battle you
 piccolo289: wanna test my own team
@Jarii: k